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Old Posted Nov 27, 2014, 12:31 AM
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Yep. I work construction in Manhattan now and I can tell you first-hand that Class A space is running out fast. There will be a short glut with the WTC coming online, but I'm positive those buildings will fill up fast.
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^ Yep.

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Sooner or later, the city will experience an office boom too.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2014, 3:35 PM
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Looking at those numbers makes me think that the current boom is barely scratching the surface of the huge effert necessary to shift NYCs ofice stoick into the current century.
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Even when it comes to the affordable housing, NYC is way behind London, and leagues behind Hong Kong. The mayor has been criticized for not having a big enough plan. While creating and preserving 200,000 units is big for any U.S. city, with NYC, its not enough. A better value would of been 400,000 units; similar to London. Although the goal can be changed and its a target, so it may actually be higher over a decade and will be dependent on the types of developments that arise over the years. Just this week, the Bronx had plans revealed for two large waterfront developments: Both include 6000 units in total.

On a side note, with shrinking land, and opportunities for large sites slim to none, expect plenty of more supertalls once they try to put a fix when it comes to Class-A. The large ceiling heights along with extra room for equipment/features should provide for some heavy duty, tall towers.
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Those cities are also likely growing far more quickly than NY (in terms of population).
London is building many more units, but they also have a greater influx of people - or, rather, they have significantly less out-migration than NYC.
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Those cities are also likely growing far more quickly than NY (in terms of population).
London is building many more units, but they also have a greater influx of people - or, rather, they have significantly less out-migration than NYC.
London isn't. In 1991 London's population was a little less than 7 million. Now it is a little more than 8 million. In 1900, NYC's population was a little more than 7 million. Now it is a little more than 8 million.

Hong Kong's population grew slightly more from 5.5 million in the early 90s to about 7 million today.

Really all three of these cities have comperable growth rates and comperable populations and each strongly represent the ecconomies of the contienents they are a part of, which is likely why they were chosen.
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Looking at those numbers makes me think that the current boom is barely scratching the surface of the huge effert necessary to shift NYCs ofice stoick into the current century.
What is happening on the West side will make the biggest impact since the WTC is mostly just replacing lost sq. Now if only we could get 15 Penn Plaza going (at a new height of 500m) lol.

I do think you are right though. I could see a substantial office boom sometime after 2020 in NYC. The problem right now is lots of firms are getting by with stock from the 80s, which is still servicable.
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London isn't. In 1991 London's population was a little less than 7 million. Now it is a little more than 8 million. In 1900, NYC's population was a little more than 7 million. Now it is a little more than 8 million.

Hong Kong's population grew slightly more from 5.5 million in the early 90s to about 7 million today.

Really all three of these cities have comperable growth rates and comperable populations and each strongly represent the ecconomies of the contienents they are a part of, which is likely why they were chosen.
That's fuzzy, however, when you take into account that a large number of people who move out of London remain within the greater area and simply commute to work in the city.

In the last decade, immigration to NYC was over 1 million, but out migration was 800,000 (the vast majority to the Southeast and West Coast), leaving a net increase of 200,000.

I'd hazard a guess that London (and it's total catchment of labor) has increased significantly faster than NYC, which would go a lot farther in explaining the uptick in construction of both residential and office developments.

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I think that increasing affordable housing would help retain some of the residents. The jobs are here, but the problem is the price. While NYC may only be the 27th most expensive city in the world, I believe London is 7th, the lack of housing options forces people out. One of the reasons that housing is so expensive is due to a lack of supply. While ambitious, the city can absorb many more units than what DeBlasio is proposing. If there are housing options, people will move to NYC. The city has an impeccable way of attracting talent domestically, and internationally.
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I think that increasing affordable housing would help retain some of the residents. The jobs are here, but the problem is the price. While NYC may only be the 27th most expensive city in the world, I believe London is 7th, the lack of housing options forces people out. One of the reasons that housing is so expensive is due to a lack of supply. While ambitious, the city can absorb many more units than what DeBlasio is proposing. If there are housing options, people will move to NYC. The city has an impeccable way of attracting talent domestically, and internationally.
If DeBlasio was serious about NYC construction, he would up the zoning along all subway stops and main thoroughfares in the outer boroughs. Most of NYC is still stuck in 1950s and 60s zoning codes, with a lot of areas zoned either for industrial(!) or commercial use and not residential. And even with residential, most areas are zoned for incredibly low heights, since they don't take into account modern highrise construction techniques. I mean, downtown Brooklyn was rezoned for residential only in 2004.

In my neighborhood in south Brooklyn, the street closest to the subway station is zoned for commercial and consists solely of 1 storey car repair shops, furniture warehouses, and some kind of plastic bottle recycling warehouse. Literally 1 short block over there is a 8 floor luxury condo building, with upper floor condos going for $2.5 million. This is obviously plain retarded from urban planning perspective.

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In my neighborhood in deep Brooklyn, the street closest to the subway station is zoned for commercial and consists solely of 1 storey car repair shops, furniture warehouses, and some kind of plastic bottle recycle warehouse. Literally 1 short block over there is a 8 floor luxury condo building, with upper floor condos going for $2.5 million. This is obviously plain retarded from urban planning perspective.
I'm guessing you're on the F train line, somewhere near Kings Hwy/Ave. U.

The entire zoning code for NYC is completely absurd. There are ridiculous FAR limits in the densest areas in Manhattan, huge industrially zoned areas next to subway hubs, and all kinds of wacky, nonsensical zoning. We need a quasi-dictator mayor who can ignore the "community input" (read anti-everything NIMBYism) and actually enact some real zoning changes.
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I'm guessing you're on the F train line, somewhere near Kings Hwy/Ave. U.
You're correct. Ave P stop. I doubt any city official has been in our parts since the end of world war 2 lol. I bet they still think McDonald ave is full of textile factories and manufacturing plants.
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Nordstrom will rise in an era of unprecedented construction. I was playing around with the data over at the Skyscrapercenter, and used the parameters to generate this distribution chart. From 1904 to 2018 for buildings that are over 150m. This decade will see one the greatest increase in tall structures. Eclipsing the roaring 20's.


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Who Wants a Supertall Skyline? The Emerging Aesthetic of the 1,000-Foot Tower



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[...]In the 32 years since Huxtable’s essay, the skyline has been wrecked, repaired, raised, and amped up, not just in midtown but on the far West Side, in lower Manhattan, in downtown Brooklyn, and on the waterfront. And yet it’s amazing how little has changed. Office towers like One Bryant Park and the future Coach Tower at Hudson Yards are taller, fatter, and greener, yet historical habits endure long past their usefulness.
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Small update: 605W57th (200m) has topped out. I'll update the first page.
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42nd street below 9th ave. is getting pretty crowded with huge apartment towers.

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99 Hudson Street over in Jersey City will be 950 feet!
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^ I like! Maybe I'll include Jersey City projects in the list. You just can't ingnore the fact that JC is just across the river. Everything that happens there has an effect on the greater NYC skyline.
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I agree. Essentially, Jersey City is slowly becoming an extension of Manhattan. Lots of big projects and its expected to eclipse Newark in population (if it hasn't already to become Jersey's biggest city).

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