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Old Posted Jun 5, 2013, 5:34 AM
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There is a difference between an airport's number of "gates" vs. its actual number of loading bridges and remote boarding areas (which are actually being used).

This is a cool thread; however, I believe there needs to be a definite distinction between number of loading bridges, remote boarding sites, and how many of the aforementioned are actually used.

Total number of "gates" is very misleading. With the consolidation of many domestic airlines and tightening of the number of hubs in the past few years, there are a number of airports with a large amount of "unused" loading bridges or "gates."

For example, Halifax has 32 "gates" of which 13 have actual loading bridges. With a annual passenger traffic count of 3.6 million, 32 "gates" may be deemed as "extreme" overbuilding. When one actually analyzes passengers per loading bridge, Halifax falls in-line with most other north american airports (~300k-400k per loading bridge).

Furthermore, my home airport, AUS; there are 25 "gates." However, there are only 24 loading bridges. The airport currently has only one "remote" boarding site; Gate 1 (which is not currently used). AUS is averaged 392,000 PAX per loading bridge last year.
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2015, 4:09 PM
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FYI, Port Columbus International has 37 gates.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2015, 5:04 AM
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Why ATL is so large

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Why is Atlanta so big? I would posit these explanations:
  • Atlanta is the main hub for one of the biggest airlines (maybe the absolute biggest).
  • Atlanta is the only city in its region in its size class, so there is no competition.
  • Most cities larger than Atlanta have multiple airports.
  • American cities typically have higher passenger volumes than otherwise comparable other first world cities, because we have such a poor rail network (except in the northeast).
Your first reason is the primary one. Delta alone accounts for the vast majority of the traffic at ATL. ATL has more gates just for Delta than almost any other airport has total. O'Hare might be the only exception, possibly also DFW.

It also happens to be well-located for a U.S. domestic hub, as well as for international flights going to South America or the Caribbean and, to a lesser extent, Europe and Africa.

The multi-airport issue doesn't fully address the issue because ATL has more passenger traffic than O'Hare and Midway put together, as well as having more than LAX, BUR, ONT, and SNA put together... even though LAX and ORD are the 2nd and 3rd busiest airports in the U.S., respectively. JFK + EWR + LGA does exceed ATL, though no two of them do.

The rail explanation is just plain wrong. While the U.S. does have far more domestic air traffic than any other country, the prevalence of domestic air travel in the U.S. has nothing to do with having a 'poor' rail network, but everything to do with the fact that the United States is huge and its population is spread out over most of its area. In terms of population density/distribution, there aren't any otherwise-comparable first-world countries. American cities are an order of magnitude farther apart than, say, European or Japanese cities. The entire country of Japan would fit inside the U.S. state of Montana and any Western or Central European nation would fit inside Texas (and France is the only one that wouldn't fit inside Texas at least twice.) The top 11 U.S. states are all individually larger than the entire U.K. The distance from London to Paris is less than half the distance across the state of Tennessee, which is only the 36th largest state in the U.S. Say what you want about the idea of American exceptionalism, but it is indisputably exceptionally large. Except in the Northeast corridor and along the CA coast, 'high-speed' rail would be useless in the U.S. The population centers are simply too far apart for it to make any sense, especially when we can already travel the same distances with a much cheaper and much faster fleet of jet airliners.
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The rail explanation is just plain wrong. While the U.S. does have far more domestic air traffic than any other country, the prevalence of domestic air travel in the U.S. has nothing to do with having a 'poor' rail network, but everything to do with the fact that the United States is huge and its population is spread out over most of its area. In terms of population density/distribution, there aren't any otherwise-comparable first-world countries. American cities are an order of magnitude farther apart than, say, European or Japanese cities. The entire country of Japan would fit inside the U.S. state of Montana and any Western or Central European nation would fit inside Texas (and France is the only one that wouldn't fit inside Texas at least twice.) The top 11 U.S. states are all individually larger than the entire U.K. The distance from London to Paris is less than half the distance across the state of Tennessee, which is only the 36th largest state in the U.S. Say what you want about the idea of American exceptionalism, but it is indisputably exceptionally large. Except in the Northeast corridor and along the CA coast, 'high-speed' rail would be useless in the U.S. The population centers are simply too far apart for it to make any sense, especially when we can already travel the same distances with a much cheaper and much faster fleet of jet airliners.
You made an excellent point about America's vastness.

Using London as an example, you can ride on one HSR train without transferring to another to Brussels and Paris. Brussels is 363 kilometers (or 225 miles) from London, while Paris is 452 kilometers (or 262 miles) from London. Soon you'll be able to ride a HSR train to Cologne, which is 586 kilometers (or 364 miles) from London. To go farther, you'll have to transfer and ride a different train to your destination or to your next transfer station.

The average distance of all the three destinations is 467 kilometers (or 284 miles), which is a greater distance than what you can ride today. Obviously, this is the distance that European nations believe HSR trains are most competitive in the market.

How many of America's major metros are closer than 284 miles? First we must answer what population ranks as a major metro. Again, lets average London, Paris, Brussels, and Cologne to find that population. Brussels 2,923,000 + Cologne 3,130,000 + London 13,880,000 + Paris 12,293,000 = 10,742,000.
That's huge, only two metros in America are that large, #1 New York City at 20,092,000 and #2 Los Angeles at 13,262,000 - #3 Chicago comes in at 9,555,000. Let's be generous and more than half that number to 5,000,000 to metros qualify as a major metro area. I'm being arbitrary, but I believe that's being fair in relation to London's city pairs.

Now we can add 6 more metros to the list;
#4 Dallas-Fort Worth 6,954,000,
#5 Houston-Galveston 6,490,000,
#6 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington 6,051,000,
#7 Washington, Arlington-Alexander 6,034,000
#8 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach 5,930,000
#9 Atlanta 5,614,000.
Note: #10 Boston 4,732,000 is well below 5,000,000.

The closest metro to Miami is obviously Atlanta at 663 miles. No
Atlanta to Washington is 639 miles, Atlanta to Chicago is 687 miles, Atlanta to Dallas is 782 miles. No
Washington to Philadelphia is 139 miles. Yes
Philadelphia to New York City is 94 miles. Yes

Chicago to New York City is 790 miles. No
Chicago to Philadelphia is 759 miles. No
Chicago to Washington is 696 miles. No
Chicago to Dallas is 926 miles. No
Chicago to Houston is 1,084 miles. No
Chicago to Los Angeles is 2015 miles. No
Dallas to Houston is 239 miles. Yes

Only the bolded city pairs fit our scenario, the others city pairs are much too far apart, all more than twice the 284 miles. The bolded city pairs above have Acela service, or has HSR being studied and planned. Additionally, Los Angeles and San Francisco has HSR under construction.

FYI, San Francisco's metro is ranked #11 with a population of 4,594,000. The distance is 382 miles from Los Angeles, higher than the 284 arrived at earlier and also greater than London to Cologne. It is being built piecemeal anyways. California is stretching the train's distance somewhat from what is most ideal, but only 20 miles farther than London to Cologne - which is probably acceptable.

What you may consider a sufficiently large enough metro capable of supporting multiple HSR trains (at least once per hour) may differ from mine. There are just 9 metros larger than 5,000,000, 14 metros larger than 4,000,000, and 17 larger than 3,000,000. Exclusively falls away below 3,000,000 because there are 31 metros larger than 2,000,000. But you have to draw that line somewhere.

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I commend you for getting the European metro populations ballpark right..., but that's a really strange way of calculating things using averages. There is HSR in Europe between much more and much smaller cities as well...
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Anyone care to reignite this thread? This seems to be the only place I can find in all of Google to get an accurate gate count. I'll prolly post an airport with a gate total and a source about every 3 days and this post will be edited as I acquire more info.

Inside USA:
Atl 207

Outside USA:
Shanghai Pudong 78
Shanghai Hongqiao 63

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By my count, Shanghai Pudong has 78 air bridge gates (29 at T1, 49 at T2). However, they also have a very large number of remote stands used primarily for narrow body aircraft accessed via bus, and there is a new south satellite terminal with 83 gates under construction due to open in 2019. Passenger count in 2015 was 60 million.

Shanghai Hongqiao has 63 gates (13 at T1, 50 at T2), handling a total of 38 million passengers in 2014.
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Atlanta has 207 according to their website. 40 international gates.

http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Airpo...FactSheet.aspx
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well if you mean passengers then cleveland hopkins is slowly trending back up since it lost out on being a united hub.

its back up to over 8M passengers in 2015, although still a downward trend from 13M+ in 2000:

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/inde...senger_tr.html



there has been some loss of gates though, to go along with a bunch of annoying ongoing reconstruction:

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/inde...es_gate_o.html
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Just stumbled upon this after realizing that even though LAX has 8 terminals, it doesn't have many gates. Yet it's the 2nd busiest by passenger volume in the US. Does that mean LAWA does a better job of getting planes in and out or does LAX have longer operating hours than other airports? My local airport SNA, strictly limits number of flights daily. Very informative thread!
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Just stumbled upon this after realizing that even though LAX has 8 terminals, it doesn't have many gates. Yet it's the 2nd busiest by passenger volume in the US. Does that mean LAWA does a better job of getting planes in and out or does LAX have longer operating hours than other airports? My local airport SNA, strictly limits number of flights daily. Very informative thread!
Welcome to this site. I thought the cap at SNA was the 10.8M annual passengers, not a daily cap on operations. Long Beach has a daily operational cap, which was revised upward slightly in recent years.

LAX was one of the most delayed airports last year because of the ongoing construction (https://www.bts.gov/content/ranking-...e-january-2018) so the passenger throughput at LAX isn't a result of increased efficiency. The average aircraft size at LAX is much larger at LAX than SNA, because of the high number of flights to Europe, Asia, and South America. I would also expect that LAX has longer operating hours.
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Oklahoma City has one terminal with two concourses with 17 gates on roughly 6 square miles (by my observation).

A third concourse that will be under construction* around year end to add 5 more gates (including at least one international) but can be expanded to 12. The new construction will also expand and reconfigure the terminal, adding on-site CIS (which is currently on-grounds but not at the terminal), overhead observation area, and central (single) TSA (vs the two now).

Statistics:

(2017) just under 4,000,000 passengers (record year).

West Concourse: 11 gates
Central Concourse: 6 gates
East Concourse: 5 gates (initially)*

Not bad for a largely O&D airport with very significant regional competition: Major Airports: DFW, DAL, TUL, and ICT and Minor Airports with scheduled service: SWO, LAW, AMA, XNA, SPS and FSM are all within an easy 3-hour drive of Downtown Oklahoma City. Does anyone else have this much "local" regional competition?
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Barcelona airport in Spain has 2 terminals with 164 gates

Terminal 1 has 101 gates of which 40 has air bridges.
Terminal 2 has 63 gates of which 30 has air bridges.
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Not bad for a largely O&D airport with very significant regional competition: Major Airports: DFW, DAL, TUL, and ICT and Minor Airports with scheduled service: SWO, LAW, AMA, XNA, SPS and FSM are all within an easy 3-hour drive of Downtown Oklahoma City. Does anyone else have this much "local" regional competition?
I'd say pretty much everywhere east of the Mississippi. Even Nashville, which is relatively isolated as large eastern US cities go, has Atlanta, Memphis, Louisville, Birmingham, Huntsville, Knoxville, Chattanooga, Lexington, the Tri-Cities and Evansville within a 3-3.5 hour drive... you could even include cities like Cincinnati, St. Louis, Indianapolis, and Dayton if you wanted to expand that to four-ish hours.
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Boise currently has 24 gates with a plan to expand to 34 gates. Expansion could happen as quickly as the next 4-7 years. A master plan for the next 20 years is currently being worked on.

In 2012, the airport had 2.6 million passengers.

In 2017, it served 3.5 million.
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