HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Business & the Economy


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #12301  
Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 8:58 PM
Tetsuo Tetsuo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,382
Quote:
Originally Posted by officedweller View Post
Add to the problem that "Compliments" house brands are also stocked by IGA, and while IGAs are owned by Sobeys outside of BC, in BC they are owned by HY Louie (London Drugs), so that created branding confusion.

I read that when HY Louie sold a few IGA stores to Overwaitea / Save-on-Foods, it switched its supplier to a Pattison company
- so I guess that the BC IGAs no longer stock Compliments house branded items? Is that correct?
PS - anyone know why they changed the names from "MarketPlace IGA" to plain "IGA"?

https://biv.com/article/2016/01/hy-l...three-iga-stor

HY Louie is also restructuring its grocery business.

http://www.canadiangrocer.com/top-st...-and-coo-78303
Yes, you can find Western Family (Save On House Brand) now at IGA.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12302  
Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 11:02 PM
Tetsuo Tetsuo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,382
Blaze Pizza coming in hot with four Metro Vancouver locations, including Tsawwassen Commons

Quote:
U.S.-based Blaze Pizza has been planning a Canadian expansion for a couple of years, and now the chain has secured four Metro Vancouver locations to set up shop.

Blaze hit the pizza scene in Southern California about five years ago, and over the years their celebrity backers have made as many headlines as their food–most notably basketball star LeBron James, who got in the game in 2012.

The four locations planned for the Vancouver area include:

-Vancouver – 929 Granville Street

-West Vancouver – 701 Park Royal N

-South Surrey – 24th Avenue and 160th Street (Grandview Corners)

-Delta (Tsawwassen) – 5141 Canoe Pass Way (Tsawwassen Commons)
http://www.delta-optimist.com/news/b...ons-1.23155134
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12303  
Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 11:49 PM
jollyburger jollyburger is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 9,811
Kit & Ace moving from their Gastown location. Two other shops next door also relocating.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12304  
Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 11:53 PM
officedweller officedweller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 38,471
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuo View Post
Yes, you can find Western Family (Save On House Brand) now at IGA.
Thanks for confirming.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12305  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 12:29 AM
Sheba Sheba is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: BC
Posts: 4,330
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuo View Post
Blaze Pizza coming in hot with four Metro Vancouver locations, including Tsawwassen Commons
That's an odd choice of locations. Sure Van and West Van, but then only South Surrey and South Delta? I would have expected something in Burnaby / New West / Coquitlam and North / Central Surrey, and maybe Langley.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12306  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 1:19 AM
LeftCoaster's Avatar
LeftCoaster LeftCoaster is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Toroncouver
Posts: 12,681
Quote:
Originally Posted by s211 View Post
At which time you all should be taking advantage of the "ignore" function. Once Vin realizes he's speaking into a vacuum, maybe he'll move on?
Unfortunately I doubt it, he's been screaming into the vacuum for years now.

I'm honestly done with it. It's akin to arguing with a toddler. No matter how many valid points you make they just kick and scream and ignore all logic and say the same thing over and over again.

I give up.

It's ironic too, since I doubt anyone on this board would benefit more from developing major retail space downtown than me, since it's literally what keeps me employed.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12307  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 1:20 AM
Tetsuo Tetsuo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,382
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheba View Post
That's an odd choice of locations. Sure Van and West Van, but then only South Surrey and South Delta? I would have expected something in Burnaby / New West / Coquitlam and North / Central Surrey, and maybe Langley.
Pretty much akin to the Five Guys roll out, rather than the Chipotle roll out.

Many of these franchise food chain have management that are a lot more comfortable with rolling out a suburban big box development strategy, rather than going full urban. This becomes an issue in a place like Vancouver, as even suburban lease choices are limited.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12308  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 1:45 AM
Vin Vin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 8,318
Past failures of retail along our waterfront had finally prompted planners to open up more in newer developments.
Interesting read to a new retail concept downtown, although this is nothing new in major cities around the world. However we have it as "experimental" here:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle36386882/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12309  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 1:58 AM
Vin Vin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 8,318
Just came across this article, another interesting read:

https://www.retail-insider.com/retai...tail-high-rise

Why Retail Should be a Priority in Urban High-Density Developments
May 09, 2017

Major Canadian cities are seeing people moving downtown like never before, creating demand for new retailers and new retail space. There’s an opportunity for developers to capitalize on retail opportunities at the base of new condominium and other mixed-use towers, if done right. However, plenty of the developers building new residential towers are neglecting the retail space beneath, according to Babak Eslahjou, principal at Toronto-based CORE Architects.

Thousands of people are moving into Canada’s urban cores annually, for a variety of reasons. Some are young people seeking an exciting urban lifestyle, while also being close to work or school. Some are seniors seeking out enjoyable urban amenities, including professional sports, restaurants, theatre and other cultural activities. Even some families with children are seeking to live in high-density developments in Canada’s urban cores— though for a variety of reasons, that’s still a challenge.

CORE Architects’ Mr. Eslahjou notes that, when done right, adding retail space to high-density urban developments can provide developers with a consistent stream of rental income after condominium units have been sold in the building above. Securing a strong tenant, such as a national grocery chain, can provide the landlord with a “very good source of revenue,” according to Mr. Eslahjou -- though there are some challenges to creating such space in a multi-use high-density environment.

Ceilings must be sufficiently high enough to attract the right tenants and in the case of grocery tenants, soaring ceiling heights are often required. This has been a challenge in some markets, particularly those with strict building height restrictions. In some parts of Vancouver, for example, it is mandated that retail be included along urban street-fronts. The city is also notorious for enforcing its mandated height limits (not to mention rather arbitrary view cones) and as a result, some residential developers have added ground-level retail space with insufficiently low ceilings for many retail concepts. One local broker, wishing not to be named, explained the frustration of dealing with less-than-ideal retail spaces, including those with low ceilings, in a number of mixed-use buildings in the city. As a result, a number of developments continue to see retail vacancies long after condominium units above become occupied.

Column spacing must also be wide enough so that retail tenants can properly lay out and merchandise their stores. This becomes a challenge, as support pillars are required for the building above, while at the same time ample wide support columns will make some retail spaces less desirable. Creativity is required but it’s not impossible — Mr. Eslahjou described how the One Bloor Street West project in Toronto, for example, will feature column-less retail interiors. It takes skilled architects and engineers to create such spaces, though, and there are increased costs involved, but Mr. Eslahjou said that it can be worth it for the right tenant(s).

He noted that there are also a few other challenges to adding retail in high density areas. Grocery stores typically see multiple deliveries daily, requiring loading docks to be strategically designed so as to provide minimal disruption to neighbours. Restaurants require ventilation, which needs to be integrated in an innovative way to ensure it meets zoning code. And speaking of zoning, some cities have onerous minimum parking requirements for retail that can be very expensive to adhere to (he mentioned Mississauga as an example, and there are others).

Mr. Eslahjou went so far as to say that residential developers should consider prioritizing retail space in the designs of high-density projects, recognizing the commercial opportunities in areas with around-the-clock traffic. While it may sound outlandish to some builders, adding a strong retail offering can actually be an attraction for some buyers, helping sell-out projects.

When Rennie Developments was marketing its L’Hermitage residential tower in Vancouver in 2005, one of its attractions was a major grocery store anchor that was to anchor its base, as well as a home furnishings retailer above. Marketing materials indicated that one’s life would be "just an elevator ride away” if buying into the project -- and units sold out quickly. L’Hermitage’s marketing at the time was considered to be somewhat groundbreaking, as mixed-use buildings and urban lifestyles were still foreign to many Canadians, even those in Vancouver.

Fast forward to today, where more developers are offering exceptional retail in their residential projects, with a number of exceptional examples now available Canada-wide. There will be even more demand for urban commercial space within high-density buildings, as Canada’s urban populations continue to explode.

Downtown Vancouver has added thousands of residents to its downtown peninsula over the past decade, now boasting a population in excess of 100,000 in hundreds of steel and glass towers. Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa and Montreal are all seeing new residential development in their cores, and some of the developers involved are recognizing the benefits of adding high-quality retail space. Many urban dwellers are seeking a convenient lifestyle where one can walk to local retailers, be it the local grocery store, dry cleaner, hair salon, restaurant or tailor. Making such retail available will only enhance growing downtown communities, not to mention facilitate an urban lifestyle that many new urban dwellers are now seeking.

No city in Canada is seeing the kind of explosive growth that is currently happening in downtown Toronto and in fact, the city has more tower construction cranes in the air than any city in North America. Toronto’s downtown population is growing at such a rapid rate that retail space is struggling to keep up, and lineups at some grocery stores and drug stores indicate that more downtown retailers are needed. Mr. Eslahjou noted that some retailers doing business in downtown Toronto are experiencing exceptionally high volumes, which can be attributed to factors such as density, an around-the-clock population, as well as a lack of available local options to acquire various good and services.

There will be plenty more retail opportunities in downtown Toronto in the coming years as well — the city’s core, which currently has a population in excess of 250,000, is expected to grow to over 475,000 residents by the year 2041. In North America, only Manhattan will have a denser and more populous core.

When developers add strong retail to urban projects, it also benefits communities. Animating retail spaces create animated streets, which in turn leads to a perception of safety, not to mention a level of excitement and vibrancy that can’t be replicated in the suburbs. As Canadian cities continue to add new residents, opportunities exist for developers to create great retail spaces to lease at a profit, and retailers have the opportunity to open new locations to serve rapidly expanding downtown populations.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12310  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 1:58 AM
jlousa's Avatar
jlousa jlousa is offline
Ferris Wheel Hater
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 8,371
Vin you should be at the ICSC in Whistler right now telling all my collegues your great ideas. Psst, the sentiment here is quite a bit more pessimistic then yours.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12311  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 2:09 AM
Vin Vin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 8,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlousa View Post
Vin you should be at the ICSC in Whistler right now telling all my collegues your great ideas. Psst, the sentiment here is quite a bit more pessimistic then yours.
Well, in that case you should've invited me to go then.

Sorry to hear about the pessimism, and please do share the reasons for such sentiments?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12312  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 2:28 AM
osirisboy's Avatar
osirisboy osirisboy is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Vancouver BC
Posts: 6,093
Just because vin isn't a professional in the industry doesn't mean he can't Have an option. he even backs up many opinions with referenced material!! You can disagree with him but give him a break. And just because someone is in the industry doesn't nessecarily mean they are always right and know everything.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12313  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 3:47 AM
Conrad Yablonski's Avatar
Conrad Yablonski Conrad Yablonski is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 684
Quote:
Originally Posted by swan_ch View Post
It's not THAT weird... Mumuso is just another Miniso...

https://brandzaar.com/blog/miniso-th...-global-brand/
Read the whole page-now my head hurts

A couple of those operations look worth checking out the Korean and Malaysian ones in particular.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12314  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 4:24 AM
NewfBC NewfBC is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheba View Post
That's an odd choice of locations. Sure Van and West Van, but then only South Surrey and South Delta? I would have expected something in Burnaby / New West / Coquitlam and North / Central Surrey, and maybe Langley.
All of these spaces are new build, empty.. Maybe that's where they prefer to locate?

Ron.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12315  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 4:42 AM
jollyburger jollyburger is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 9,811
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuo View Post
Pretty much akin to the Five Guys roll out, rather than the Chipotle roll out.

Many of these franchise food chain have management that are a lot more comfortable with rolling out a suburban big box development strategy, rather than going full urban. This becomes an issue in a place like Vancouver, as even suburban lease choices are limited.
The franchisee (of Blaze) also owns 60 Five Guys franchises. Most of the locations are near other Five Guys locations as well.

Quote:
Blaze Fast-Fire'd Pizza, the nation's largest and fastest growing build-your-own pizza chain, today announced that it has signed a franchise agreement with Five Star Blaze Holdings, Inc. to develop Blaze Pizza restaurants in Canada. The deal includes plans to open a minimum of 60 franchise units. The fast-casual pizza chain, known for its chef-driven recipes and casually hip restaurants, is targeting Toronto, Edmonton and Calgary for the first restaurants.

Five Star Blaze Holdings, Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Cypress Five Star, LLC and is led by Robert Baxter, Blair Walker and Darven Erickson. Cypress Five Star, LLC is the largest franchisee in the Five Guys Burgers & Fries chain with 41 franchise restaurants in Canada and, through an affiliate, two additional franchise restaurants in Wyoming. The development area for Blaze Pizza includes the Canadian provinces of Ontario, Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba and Saskatchewan.
http://www.marketwired.com/press-rel...da-1982941.htm
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12316  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 6:13 AM
casper casper is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Victoria
Posts: 9,252
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuo View Post
Safeway following Sobeys purchase to this day frequently has empty shelves, something I've only experienced at a high traffic grocer such as Superstore Metrotown/Grandview
That is the result of a poor deployment of SAP. A poor SAP deployment was also the reason Target had empty shelves in their stores.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12317  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 6:41 PM
Vin Vin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 8,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by osirisboy View Post
Just because vin isn't a professional in the industry doesn't mean he can't Have an option. he even backs up many opinions with referenced material!! You can disagree with him but give him a break. And just because someone is in the industry doesn't nessecarily mean they are always right and know everything.
Thanks. Sometimes I think planners/retailers should listen more to consumers: people who actually live in the place, and what they want. If retailers always know about their stuff, there wouldn't be bankruptcies like Target and Sears.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12318  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 8:25 PM
bluefox's Avatar
bluefox bluefox is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 337
Quote:
Originally Posted by casper View Post
That is the result of a poor deployment of SAP. A poor SAP deployment was also the reason Target had empty shelves in their stores.
Thank you! 100% agree. SAP is not a great system at all. Lots of retailers are shifting away from SAP because it's so unwieldy and unreliable.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12319  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 8:28 PM
bluefox's Avatar
bluefox bluefox is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 337
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vin View Post
Thanks. Sometimes I think planners/retailers should listen more to consumers: people who actually live in the place, and what they want. If retailers always know about their stuff, there wouldn't be bankruptcies like Target and Sears.
Target, sure. Sears Canada's bankruptcy (and inevitably Sears US) is not the result of retailers not knowing their stuff.

It's because of someone with no retail experience treating the company like a real-estate commodity and personal piggybank, and stripping the company of assets and cash over the long term, which hamstrung Sears' ability to modernize and keep up with competitors. Can't properly invest in e-com or modernization if all your cash is going to shareholder dividends.

Eddie Lampert is more to blame for Sears' demise than Sears itself is.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12320  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 8:40 PM
Vin Vin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 8,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefox View Post
Target, sure. Sears Canada's bankruptcy (and inevitably Sears US) is not the result of retailers not knowing their stuff.

It's because of someone with no retail experience treating the company like a real-estate commodity and personal piggybank, and stripping the company of assets and cash over the long term, which hamstrung Sears' ability to modernize and keep up with competitors. Can't properly invest in e-com or modernization if all your cash is going to shareholder dividends.

Eddie Lampert is more to blame for Sears' demise than Sears itself is.
Replace the name "Eddie Lampert" and insert "the City of Vancouver". And replace "Sears" with "Vancouver".
which hamstrung Sears' (Vancouver's) ability to modernize and keep up with competitors (Metrotown, Brentwood, etc)

Yup, the "so-called" experts. I agree that Eddie Lampert is out of touch with reality, but when he took over in 2013, Sears was already deteriorating and on a downward spiral. The stores were already in terrible state, and management never seemed to want to shut down the non-profit making ones and concentrate to improve more on the profitable stores. I guess while they remained opened, people would always think that the "experts" knew what they were doing, until it was too late.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Business & the Economy
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:48 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.