CHICAGO | Navy Pier Redevelopment - Page 6

F1 Tommy · #1 Posted **Jul 27, 2016, 9:52 PM**

Navy Pier is going to look like a Container ship by the time they are done with it. Add a few cranes and it will look just like Long Beach California, armpit of southern California

ardecila · #2 Posted **Jul 27, 2016, 11:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by F1 Tommy

Navy Pier is going to look like a Container ship by the time they are done with it. Add a few cranes and it will look just like Long Beach California, armpit of southern California

I'm fine with that. It WAS a cargo terminal, after all. The hotel's boxy silhouette reminds me of something uber-modern from port cities like Rotterdam or Barcelona.

Unfortunately the cladding on the hotel has gotten more banal with every revision. Why not add some color or some variation to break up the monotony? I expected way more from Jackie Koo, but now it just looks like we're getting some crap that SCB or DeStefano threw together.

woodrow · #3 Posted **Jul 28, 2016, 7:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by ardecila

I'm fine with that. It WAS a cargo terminal, after all. The hotel's boxy silhouette reminds me of something uber-modern from port cities like Rotterdam or Barcelona.

Unfortunately the cladding on the hotel has gotten more banal with every revision. Why not add some color or some variation to break up the monotony? I expected way more from Jackie Koo, but now it just looks like we're getting some crap that SCB or DeStefano threw together.

I couldn't agree more about the boxy sihouette. I had the same thoughts about the sundry European port cities. Hamburg Germany also, and BA in Argentina. That said, they definitely need to work on the cladding.

As for the lake overlook - that idea needs to be dropped. Now. Awful

the urban politician · #4 Posted **Jul 28, 2016, 12:10 AM**

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This doesn't look like a good idea. . .

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I'm not a fan either. It will clutter eastward views of the lake for those walking on the pier

r18tdi · #5 Posted **Jul 28, 2016, 3:54 AM**

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I'm not a fan either. It will clutter eastward views of the lake for those walking on the pier

But think of all the great wedding photos.

Rizzo · #6 Posted **Jul 27, 2016, 5:53 PM**

I'm really not one that cares for balconies, but in this instance I think it might look good instead of those huge flat walls of glass. Might also reinforce some nautical vocabulary into the design.

Edit. I looked closer at the renderings and I now see there is balconies. Meh. Still not quite there

the urban politician · #7 Posted **Jul 28, 2016, 12:41 PM**

I'm looking again at renderings of the "Lake overlook" concept, and it's an absolutely horrible idea. If they are trying to raise funds to complete the Navy Pier redo, please save some money and don't waste it on this.

The view of the Lake from the eastern end of the pier is fine just the way it is. Adding some silly elevated walkway and another boring reflecting pool will do nothing. It will actually clutter and take away from the vista and thus the overall experience.

This is an ill-advised idea, and emblematic of a world where there are too many administrators sitting there having countless meetings under the perpetual delusion that changing something inevitably improves it. Sorry, bud, but this one's a dud.

Ryanrule · #8 Posted **Jul 28, 2016, 7:24 PM**

They really need to force the hotel to spend TONS of money on design and materials, or to fuck off. This isnt some normal city block.

the urban politician · #9 Posted **Jul 28, 2016, 8:14 PM**

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They really need to force the hotel to spend TONS of money on design and materials, or to fuck off. This isnt some normal city block.

Are you a child?

All that would mean is extremely high room rates, and then you'd be complaining about that.

Economics 101. Take it.

Vlajos · #10 Posted **Jul 29, 2016, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Are you a child?

All that would mean is extremely high room rates, and then you'd be complaining about that.

Economics 101. Take it.

It could also mean no development.

Ryanrule · #11 Posted **Sep 19, 2016, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Are you a child?

All that would mean is extremely high room rates, and then you'd be complaining about that.

Economics 101. Take it.

I would EXPECT high room rates at such a place.

10023 · #12 Posted **Jul 22, 2017, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Are you a child?

All that would mean is extremely high room rates, and then you'd be complaining about that.

Economics 101. Take it.

Good.

Do it well or don't do it at all. Don't mar public spaces so that it's affordable to families of tourists from Iowa.

TimeAgain · #13 Posted **Jul 22, 2017, 6:50 PM**

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Good.

Do it well or don't do it at all. Don't mar public spaces so that it's affordable to families of tourists from Iowa.

Families of tourists from Iowa are probably 90% of who cares about Navy Pier. Though, I agree that a happy medium has to be found.

UPChicago · #14 Posted **Jul 28, 2016, 7:44 PM**

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The view of the Lake from the eastern end of the pier is fine just the way it is.

I'm not really getting your gripe, only eastern view that will be affected are those east of the Grand Ballroom. How many people visiting Navy Pier actually utilizes that space? No one walking the pier will have eastern views affected by this. And if you're that far east on the pier you might as well go up on the damn walkway because there is no reason to go that far east now.

XIII · #15 Posted **Jul 28, 2016, 8:13 PM**

The lake overlook seems inspired by the BIG (Bjarke Ingles) plan. His plan had a bit more grace to the execution.

http://www.designboom.com/architectu...pier-proposal/

BVictor1 · #16 Posted **Jul 30, 2016, 1:32 AM**

For those wanting the PDF of the presentation...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...2007.26.16.pdf

rds989 · #17 Posted **Aug 3, 2016, 6:59 PM**

I strongly dislike the design of the proposed hotel. What is there now works well with the beautiful ballroom building at the end of the pier. It isn't cloying post-modernism, it is just attractively massed with materials that fit in. But this hotel design is ultra bland contemporary schlock that is the same as 80% of what has gone up everywhere else in the last 20 years, and doesn't fit with the ballroom at all.

Build this and you lose some of the charm of navy pier for the Iowans and everyone else.

Kippis · #18 Posted **Sep 18, 2016, 8:15 PM**

Thanks for posting the presentation, BVic.

Dunno, I like probably 95% of the proposed renovations to the pier as presented...the only aspect I'm not so sure of was that hideous attempt at a 'flyover' at the eastern edge of the pier. I've seen the same renderings of it before, but they should really give some more thought to the design. I suppose the overarching walkway is okay design-wise, but why put a reflecting pool in? The pier is surrounded by water...unless they are considering one of those water cannons a la Centennial Fountain on the river. Would be nice on one of those classic 90+ degree summer days.

ardecila · #19 Posted **Sep 19, 2016, 4:12 AM**

^ The reflecting pool has an infinity edge. It's designed to make you feel like you're at the water's edge, even though you're 8'-10' above mean lake level and 15'-20' away from the physical edge of the pier.

Hopefully the designers do some mockups to fine tune the illusion...

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r18tdi · #20 Posted **Jul 22, 2017, 3:45 PM**

According to this report, it appears the city and McPier were secretly funneling TIF money from McCormick hotel project to the Navy Pier one. Seems pretty fishy.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...s-to-navy-pier