[Moncton] East (Harrisville, Lewisville, Tankville, Irishtown) Developments

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by habs33

Noticed that the MCS sanitation sign of the trans can is gone. Wonder what happened

They are building in Dieppe instead, up by the airport..........

[MonctonRad]

Faubourg du Mascaret par Shannex - current status:

[FarmerTom]

The new hotel on Mapleton is going to be very predominant in the skyline coming from the west on the highway. Noticed that yesterday

[MonctonRad]

Well, this is interesting:

We (the city) agreed to sell land (4.6 acres) at the SE corner of Harrisville and TransCanada to the Metepenagiag First Nation (including a service agreement in lieu of municipal taxes).

From mayor Dawn Arnold's Facebook page.

I wonder what the First Nation has in mind for this property. It's obviously a great location for something highway commercial.

[L'homard]

- what does this mean? "a service agreement in lieu of taxes."
- am I being unreasonable to expect council to know what is planned for a parcel of land which they are selling to a developer?

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by L'homard

- what does this mean? "a service agreement in lieu of taxes."
- am I being unreasonable to expect council to know what is planned for a parcel of land which they are selling to a developer?

The First Nation is a sovereign entity. It can't pay property tax to another government. It's the same for federal and provincial properties around the city as well. Instead of property tax, they pay monies in lieu of........

It works out to the same thing really.

I agree that it would be nice to know what the first nation has in mind for the property. I hope it's something better than a joint selling cheap booze, cigarettes and gas (with a few slot machines thrown in for variety).

[gehrhardt]

That used to be a city snow dump. Going by what it looked like every spring after the thaw, some contaminated soil cleanup is going to be necessary.

[L'homard]

Ah! Thanks for the explanation MR.
I can understand the city not knowing what my plans are for my own land.
I don't understand them not asking what my plans are for land that they are selling me. I would have thought they'd want to know first, before selling it. Of course, they might actually know, but will leave it to the buyers to make their own announcement, which is commonly done.
And, the city will know what the zoning is for that property, and thus, what can be put on it (notwithstanding a rezoning, of course.)

[HanSoloCup]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

The First Nation is a sovereign entity. It can't pay property tax to another government. It's the same for federal and provincial properties around the city as well. Instead of property tax, they pay monies in lieu of........

It works out to the same thing really.

I agree that it would be nice to know what the first nation has in mind for the property. I hope it's something better than a joint selling cheap booze, cigarettes and gas (with a few slot machines thrown in for variety).

Hopefully something similar to the Millbrook First Nations development along the highway outside Truro.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by HanSoloCup

Hopefully something similar to the Millbrook First Nations development along the highway outside Truro.

It's only 4.6 acres though (unless the first nation intends to buy more land in the future).

[Scarface]

It seems that land was Purchased on the 22 of March this year. To me it seems a little shady that the land was purchased for 3,000,000$ just to be re-sold.

Also aren't the Metepenagiag First Nation's people in Northern NB Somewhere near Bathurst. The land seems far out of the way for whatever they might have planed.

[stephan.richard]

Maybe they will build an Indian Casino similar to the Grey Rock Casino in Edmundston that looks 100X better than our over-sized tavern that we have here in town.

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Well, this is interesting:



From mayor Dawn Arnold's Facebook page.

I wonder what the First Nation has in mind for this property. It's obviously a great location for something highway commercial.

[L'homard]

$3M seems a tad high for that.

It's not unusual for a far-away First Nation to buy local land.
Elsipogtog bought land on the north side of the TCH between Moncton and Salisbury quite some years ago, at least 10 years ago. THen they annexed it so it is now actually part of the Elsipogtog reserve. There is a sign on the property that you can see when you head west on the TCH. I inquired with Indian Affairs about this way back when the sale and annexation occurred - was curious about business opportunities - and was told this is commonly done.

Edit: I'm told the selling price of this parcel was under $350,000. I didn't look it up to verify it so take it for what it's worth.

[josh_cat_eyes]

Originally Posted by Scarface

Also aren't the Metepenagiag First Nation's people in Northern NB Somewhere near Bathurst. The land seems far out of the way for whatever they might have planed.

I was thinking this myself. Seems a bit far away to be buying land for the reserve.

[Scarface]

Originally Posted by L'homard

$3M seems a tad high for that.

It's not unusual for a far-away First Nation to buy local land.
Elsipogtog bought land on the north side of the TCH between Moncton and Salisbury quite some years ago, at least 10 years ago. THen they annexed it so it is now actually part of the Elsipogtog reserve. There is a sign on the property that you can see when you head west on the TCH. I inquired with Indian Affairs about this way back when the sale and annexation occurred - was curious about business opportunities - and was told this is commonly done.

Edit: I'm told the selling price of this parcel was under $350,000. I didn't look it up to verify it so take it for what it's worth.

it was purchased for 3 Million as a land package deal. All land is on either side of the tracks on the South side of the TCH, and East of Harisville Blvd. There where 2 or 3 lots but still seems to be a bit high.

Not sure what it was sold to the First Nations for but I know it's just the one lot that was sold but 350,000$, or less seems low for the cost it was purchased for in March of 2017.

[L'homard]

Thanks for that Scarface.

[MonctonRad]

We (the city) agreed to sell land (4.6 acres) at the SE corner of Harrisville and TransCanada to the Metepenagiag First Nation (including a service agreement in lieu of municipal taxes).

So, more information about this land purchase in the T&T today:

- The city only sold 4.6 acres to the First Nation but Metepenagiag (Red Bank) had already purchased another 56 acres of adjacent land from a private interest previously, and now essentially owns all the land east of Harrisville & between the TCH and the CNR mainline. The land just purchased from the city will allow the band to have needed highway access via Harrisville Blvd.
- The band intends to incorporate this land completely into the reserve, essentially making it treaty land.
- As such, this explains why there will be a "service agreement in lieu of taxes" between the city and the First Nation. This will be a "government to government" relationship. The service agreement will pay an amount to the city equivalent to the property tax revenue otherwise expected.
- The land is currently zoned highway commercial. The purchase agreement stipulates that Red Bank will abide by current zoning restrictions.
- There will be no housing on this land.

Originally Posted by HanSoloCup

Hopefully something similar to the Millbrook First Nations development along the highway outside Truro.

With this new information, knowing that the reserve lands will be 60 acres rather than 4.6 acres, I think that you are probably right.........

This likely indicates the land area that will be controlled by the First Nation:

[L'homard]

Obviously this smacks of a major development coming up for that area. How exciting! Can't imagine what it might entail but my guess would be gas/resto/retail similar to what we see south of Truro, but of course I'm only speculating.
I've stopped several time at the First Nation--operated resto/gas development in northern NB (I can't recall which First Nation owns that one) while on my way to Campbellton. It's an awesome development, especially the restaurant with great home-style food and reasonable prices.
This area would be perfect for something like that, however there is room for so much more than that.

[MonctonRad]

Interesting times indeed.

The future of a large swath of Moncton East appears now set in stone:

Metepenagiag First Nation Development



Caledonia Industrial Park South Expansion



Humphrey Brook Neighbourhood Residential Plan



Or, to put it all together in one image:

[MonctonRad]

Yet more action in Moncton East in preparation for future development.

At Moncton City Council tomorrow, they will be discussing an expropriation to allow for a direct connection between a future street (Grande Allee) and Marriott Drive (just beyond the new Fairfield Inn & Suites).