PHILADELPHIA | 3151 Market Street | Schuylkill Yards | 226 FT | 14 FLOORS - Page 4

PurpleWhiteOut · #1 Posted **Dec 31, 2020, 8:33 PM**

It's always been a 20+ year master plan so I would say it's not really worth coming here daily expecting updates

TK2001 · #2 Posted **Jan 21, 2021, 3:25 PM**

https://www.phila.gov/media/20210120...Feb-2-2021.pdf

226'6" feet tall

PHLtoNYC · #3 Posted **Jan 21, 2021, 7:43 PM**

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https://www.phila.gov/media/20210120...Feb-2-2021.pdf

226'6" feet tall

I actually really like this building. As a Drexel alum, this is a great entry into campus, not too overwhelming and I love the park / extension of Woodland Walk across Market Street.

Now if we could just figure out a plan for that pesky Firestone (been closed for a while).

I still hope for a supertall, maybe on the Eastern plot of along JFK, but I don't mind a short building on this plot. Over 200' is still decently tall for that spot.

PHL10 · #4 Posted **Jan 22, 2021, 1:41 PM**

I think I like the green but I'm not quite sure yet.

Flyers2001 · #5 Posted **Jan 22, 2021, 8:04 PM**

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I think I like the green but I'm not quite sure yet.

I think it will be a nice blend and work well in the area. I like something a bit different and this will have some nice appeal to it.

Justin7 · #6 Posted **Jan 22, 2021, 4:37 PM**

^ Interesting use of copper. High hopes for this building.

kingtut · #7 Posted **Jan 22, 2021, 8:59 PM**

WOW 600 million in capital investment in life sciences in January alone . Could be multi billion $ year .Very prestigious for Philly . Equates to more lab space and office space . Would love to see North Station to get off the ground .

summersm343 · #8 Posted **Jan 25, 2021, 4:39 PM**

I like the building too! Think it'll be a nice addition to the area.

MusicMan84 · #9 Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 5:20 PM**

^ Indeed. There is a huge difference between publishing a visionary plan, setting the intention, vision, possibilities, general directions, etc., and realizing that vision piece by piece. Along the way, changes will always happen due to the realities of taking a broader vision and working out granular details of cost, financing, engineering, demand, timelines, third parties, etc. I doubt few, if any, such visioning plans are eventually realized exactly as the look in the initial roll out. SY can't just build a supertall for the sake of it. (They are also not precluded from putting one elsewhere in the plans if the conditions eventually call for it...)

wanderer34 · #10 Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 7:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by MusicMan84

^ Indeed. There is a huge difference between publishing a visionary plan, setting the intention, vision, possibilities, general directions, etc., and realizing that vision piece by piece. Along the way, changes will always happen due to the realities of taking a broader vision and working out granular details of cost, financing, engineering, demand, timelines, third parties, etc. I doubt few, if any, such visioning plans are eventually realized exactly as the look in the initial roll out. SY can't just build a supertall for the sake of it. (They are also not precluded from putting one elsewhere in the plans if the conditions eventually call for it...)

My concern was what the final product will look like and if the recent proposals are the final product, then I can conclude that this project was a waste of time and energy. It was nice to see the initial proposal but nowadays, since we had not one but two supertalls that seem to be cancelled or changed, I can't expect too much of Philadelphia's skyline to grow. This isn't myself being negative, but it's just the reality of trying to develop something of substance in this G-D forsaken city. GOOD LUCK!

Groundhog · #11 Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 11:32 PM**

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My concern was what the final product will look like and if the recent proposals are the final product, then I can conclude that this project was a waste of time and energy. It was nice to see the initial proposal but nowadays, since we had not one but two supertallsthat seem to be cancelled or changed, I can't expect too much of Philadelphia's skyline to grow. This isn't myself being negative, but it's just the reality of trying to develop something of substance in this G-D forsaken city. GOOD LUCK!

Dude, who's time and energy are you talking about? I'm fairly certain, with all the giant variables that have come into the picture here, Brandywine, their new tenants, all of University City and any other stakeholders who have skin in the game are very happy with the pace of this project.

I'm not sure you understand that there is money involved in any development. It takes a lot of money to build. Financing is a business and they don't just dole it out based on how cool the initial renderings from the planning phase look.

wanderer34 · #12 Posted **Feb 16, 2021, 9:20 AM**

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Dude, who's time and energy are you talking about? I'm fairly certain, with all the giant variables that have come into the picture here, Brandywine, their new tenants, all of University City and any other stakeholders who have skin in the game are very happy with the pace of this project.

I'm not sure you understand that there is money involved in any development. It takes a lot of money to build. Financing is a business and they don't just dole it out based on how cool the initial renderings from the planning phase look.

Maybe what the initial proposal portrayed and the current proposal as it's rendered is what I mean by the waste of time and energy. The project, along with 30th Street Station, is supposed to last for a good 20 years. I wouldn't be shocked if the air rights never comes after the 20 years and I'm being hopeful that the recent Penn's Landing project comes to fruition. I've already learned my lesson hoping for a supertall, especially in this city. And I'm not surprised by the downsizing and the missing centerpiece that's supposed to be 3101, but then again, I don't run the city nor do I design the buildings, so it's not really my problem.

If it gets built the way the current proposals portray SY, I'm not holding anything back because that's what the developers want. I wouldn't call them ugly but the current proposal isn't breathtaking, neither. Just my opinion. Rome didn't get built in a day, and neither is this project, but downscaling and downsizing this project is yet another disappointment IMO, but I'm not surprised, dude!!!

City Wide · #13 Posted **Feb 19, 2021, 3:28 AM**

The only answer will to build several near copies of that old dog called the ACC building at SY and certainly 2 or 3 full if not larger size versions over the train tracks north of the station. And we might as well throw one in at 38th & Market St.
Then the world will beat a path or two to our fair city and all will be good. Now, if I could find that winning lotto ticket

SEFTA · #14 Posted **Feb 13, 2021, 6:33 PM**

SEFTA · #15 Posted **Feb 18, 2021, 5:11 PM**

You do know that that was NOT a proposal. What are you going on about? It was simply a presentation made to promote the newly baptized district. They obviously wanted to promote with highest density development trying to attract investors.
Not to completely burst your bubble but the plan for Penn's Landing is the same.

I'm guessing this scale is what we can expect and it's quite acceptable.

3025 JFK Boulevard-Schuylkill-Yards 12-22-20 b

This is a disappointment of scale, but I do like the building. It would look great 20 stories taller.

3151 Market Street 11-21-20 d

wanderer34 · #16 Posted **Feb 18, 2021, 11:13 PM**

It was a vision, but the final product was downsized. I'd rather the vision stick to what is actually going to be or similar to what it's going to be than be shown "smoke and mirrors" only to be let down by every proposal that pops up. First it was the Camden Waterfront, which was supposed to be taller than what it is now, and now this. I get it now, fool the people with "delusions of grandeur" only to come up with this, that's the Philly way!

PurpleWhiteOut · #17 Posted **Feb 19, 2021, 12:56 AM**

Omg can you give it a rest and stop spamming your disappointment? It's not contributing anything helpful.

Scottydont · #18 Posted **Feb 19, 2021, 1:07 AM**

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Omg can you give it a rest and stop spamming your disappointment? It's not contributing anything helpful.

Yeah it's getting a bit ridiculous...

CleetMcDougle · #19 Posted **Feb 19, 2021, 4:14 AM**

I get it. I would love a supertall in SY too. But if there isn't the market, why build? Would you rather it be built and sit empty? A monument to nothing?

fairmounter · #20 Posted **Feb 19, 2021, 5:40 AM**

I'll take the middle. I think it's reasonable to be disappointed that SY isn't isn't shaping up to match what was originally advertised, while also understanding that it wouldn't make sense to build the original plan given the market. We were never going to get exactly what was rendered. But if you're on this forum, how could you not feel at least some disappointment?