noirish Los Angeles

[Lwize]

Odd to see wine barrels used for Coke syrup storage in the "old days".

[ethereal_reality]

It has crossed my mind that the seller of the barrel-apocalypse photographs might have mixed two different locations/subjects. I thought it was odd that some of the photograph were black and white
while others were sepia. And it isn't clear which photograph had "Coca Cola warehouse" written on the back.

[ethereal_reality]

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I realize that we have seen 'palm tree moving' photographs on NLA in the past but I think this photograph might be new to the thread.


The information I have is the year, 1913, and the street, Sacramento.



Rediscovered in an old file of mine.


Could this be the famous Arcade Palm in transit?...(I think it's too short)

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[Flyingwedge]

I believe that's one of the Burkhard Palms, although the article below is the only reference I could find that put the Burkhards at
1608 W. 7th Street (SW corner of Union):

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

May 23, 1913, Los Angeles Times:




ProQuest via LAPL

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks so much Flyingwedge.

I rechecked my information on the 'palm tree moving' photograph and I see that I have "rm" behind "Sacramento". I've come to the conclusion that it wasn't 'Sacramento Street'
it was 'Sacramento Room' - which is where I found the photograph. I forget the institution. I'll see if I can find it again.


I found it.
https://sacroom.contentdm.oclc.org/


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[ethereal_reality]

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Mystery location solved by GW.

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

The Los Angeles Mining & Stock Exchange was listed at 318 W 2nd St in the 1896 City Directory...it looks like a Mrs. I E Robinson, and then others, rented furnished rooms at the same address during the late '90s.

By happenstance, here's another location on 2nd Street.

This F. H. Rogers' stereoview (that I happened upon this afternoon on eBay) shows a very lush garden on the corner of 2nd Street and Fort Street.


eBay...The seller dates the stereoview to the 1870s





The photographer appears to be inside the garden looking out towards the street (either 2nd or Fort)...

The picket fence makes me think this is a residence - as opposed to a park.



Does anyone know who lived at the corner of 2nd St. and Fort St in the 1870s?




Also . . . . .

If you look in the upper right corner there appear to be flowers blooming. Do you recognize any of these plants, odinthor? ..(odinthor is our go-to-source for plants)
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[odinthor]

According to my notes, e_r, one of the residences on the east side of Fort at 2nd was in the mid-1870s that of brothers-in-law Richard Dillon and John Kenealy (and their families). (They moved from there ca. 1883.)

There's a strong chance that our lush grounds in the photo indeed belonged to that family, because the families seemed to have had an interest in horticulture . . . though I only have proof of that interest for the time after their move (evidently to the corner of Hill and 7th):


LA Herald, 4/21/1886

The following is from a listing of people who exhibited at the Horticultural Pavilion:


LA Herald, 4/17/1887

Aside from the Araucaria tree, the plants are a bit blurry . . . but I think the flowers are from a planting of Ivy Geranium . . . and we see that Mrs. Kenealy had an interest in Geraniums/Pelargoniums.

[Mackerm]

Is Old Man Rock still there?

According to the Stone Faces Gazetteer, the exact location is unknown. But I'm happy to report that I found a version of the Mount Wilson Hotel brochure which gives its location as, "One-half mile down Toll Road and an eighth of a mile down trail." This places it somewhere in the vicinity of Martin's Camp, AKA the saddle between Mt. Wilson and Mt. Harvard.

The Mount Wilson Hotel revised this brochure over the years, and I really can't say when this one was published (The eBay seller says ca1930s, but who knows? The pictured hotel is the second one, replacing the original which burned down in 1913). I will cross-post this to a facebook group for Mount Wilson, and maybe somebody will stroll down from the observatory and send us a nice photo. And the Stone Faces Gazetteer will be certainly be over the moon.

eBay





eBay

This article includes a wider photo and a bit of information. (Not working at this moment.)

Here's the article from another source: Notes on a visit to Mount Wilson, Leo Holcomb, Page 471, Popular Astronomy, October 1914

Update: the brochure is from 1936 or earlier, because that is when the Pasadena and Mount Wilson Toll Road Company was renamed the Mount Wilson Hotel Company.

[Hollywood Graham]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Mystery location solved by GW.






By happenstance, here's another location on 2nd Street.

This F. H. Rogers' stereoview (that I happened upon this afternoon on eBay) shows a very lush garden on the corner of 2nd Street and Fort Street.


eBay...The seller dates the stereoview to the 1870s





The photographer appears to be inside the garden looking out towards the street (either 2nd or Fort)...

The picket fence makes me think this is a residence - as opposed to a park.



Does anyone know who lived at the corner of 2nd St. and Fort St in the 1870s?




Also . . . . .

If you look in the upper right corner there appear to be flowers blooming. Do you recognize any of these plants, odinthor? ..(odinthor is our go-to-source for plants)
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Looks like a Star Pine in photo.

[ethereal_reality]

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RE:...The Lush Garden.

Corner of 2nd and Fort Street.

eBay

Originally Posted by odinthor

Aside from the Araucaria tree, the plants are a bit blurry . . but I think the flowers are from a planting of Ivy Geranium . . and we see that Mrs. Kenealy had an interest in Geraniums/Pelargoniums.

Thanks Odinthor!

Originally Posted by odinthor

According to my notes, e_r, one of the residences on the east side of Fort at 2nd was in the mid-1870s that of brothers-in-law Richard Dillon and John Kenealy (and their families). (They moved from there ca. 1883.)

There's a strong chance that our lush grounds in the photo indeed belonged to that family, because the families seemed to have had an interest in horticulture . . . though I only have proof of that interest for the time after their move (evidently to the corner of Hill and 7th):


LA Herald, 4/21/1886

The following is from a listing of people who exhibited at the Horticultural Pavilion:


LA Herald, 4/17/1887

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I just found this.

In the 1870s the "two brothers-in-law" were in business together. (Dry Goods)


Daily Star, July 3, 1875



Daily Star, July 3, 1875


The ad was extremely long so I only posted the top and bottom. (the two sections shown above)
The top of the ad had the 86 Main Street address and the bottom of the ad had the 18 Los Angeles Street address.

You can check out the full ad Here

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham

Looks like a Star Pine in photo.

'Star Pine' is in the Araucaria family (per odinthor). - so you're no doubt right. Thanks, HG.




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[ethereal_reality]

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"Love Sin-dicate" ...Los Angeles...March 5, 1931

I'm not sure if we have touched on this scandal but it is interesting none-the-less.


Olive Day, 22


eBay








Sizzling stuff!


I see that Alexander Pantages is mentioned. I know we covered that scandal. . .something about a young girl in a broom closet.

(I looked for the Pantages posts but. . .um. . .the thread is too big)
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[fullpower]

my first post. My Dad's school photo with Alfalfa (left) from the Little Rascals. I asked my dad once if they were friends in school and my dad replied, "I guess we got along okay."

[fullpower]

my mom is the little girl in the chair and her father is standing in the doorway https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9331/ZHMrkt.jpg
back of photo
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/4631/rwYlag.jpg

[odinthor]

Welcome to NLA, fullpower! Thanks for the interesting first post(s)!

[riichkay]

Countless photos of Muscle Beach have been posted over the years, but I found these to be of a somewhat different perspective, both literally and figuratively....Larry Silver is the photographer, the year 1954....images courtesy of artsy.net.....

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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"Love Sin-dicate" ...Los Angeles...March 5, 1931

I'm not sure if we have touched on this scandal but it is interesting none-the-less.


Olive Day, 22


eBay








Sizzling stuff!


I see that Alexander Pantages is mentioned. I know we covered that scandal. . .something about a young girl in a broom closet.

(I looked for the Pantages posts but. . .um. . .the thread is too big)
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So many noirish Olive Days--


The Tramp:


LA Record March 9, 1931



The Wronged Wife:


LAT Jan 1, 1928



The Innocent Clerk:


LAT March 7, 1931

[fullpower]

My Grandmother on the right. any idea what sandwich shop this is?

[fullpower]

the best burger in LA is Marty's Burger on Pico near Patricia ave. no doubt. Tommy's is 2nd. Howard's Avocado Burger on Venice Blvd and Sepulveda is Honorable Mention.

[fullpower]

the old Alhambra Maternity Hospital where on April 1st, 1931 my mother Patsy Ann Roth was born

[Lwize]

Originally Posted by fullpower

the best burger in LA is Marty's Burger on Pico near Patricia ave. no doubt. Tommy's is 2nd. Howard's Avocado Burger on Venice Blvd and Sepulveda is Honorable Mention.

Marty's is at Pico & Prosser, adjacent to Fire Station No. 92.

I used to go there in high school.

Home of The Combo - a hamburger topped with a split & grilled hot dog.

A version of The Combo was sold by the late, great Mike's Hockey Burger (Washington Bl. & Soto St). Mikes, though, closed up in 2016 and the property redeveloped into a 7-Eleven.

(Howard's Avocado Burger is a shell of it's former self - no longer worthy of a mention)