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Old Posted Aug 17, 2023, 11:22 PM
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Now if they could redevelop the space between the north side of Marketlands and Manitou a bi Bii daziigae all with solar cladding involved that would be a really nice sight to behold.
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gues the net \ero is a play on what red river did across the street in 2002
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I was wondering about Market Lands earlier this week.

When are we expecting to see shovels in the ground?
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2023, 1:08 PM
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The cost of Net Zero for this building has been a massive challenge for those involved, thus causing all the delays.
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The cost of Net Zero for this building has been a massive challenge for those involved, thus causing all the delays.
Net zero is cute and all and lovely marketing, but shouldn’t the focus be on creating a successful development that creates demand for future development? Because it seems to me that with a lot of these types of projects, we’ve lost tye forest through the trees, and our obsession with the secondary issues inhibits us from timely and competently navigating primary issues…
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I bet that’s probably one of the major factors holding back the developments of other future projects like Southwood and the Forks as well. This obsession with getting this “target zero” is bewildering to me when our municipal and provincial budgets show we don’t give a shit about climate change. The city just recently pushed back its modal split goal (50% of all trips generated by non-car modes of transport)from 2030 to 2050 because they don’t have the political will to get rapid transit done and would rather focus on widening Kenaston smh.

Enough of this virtue signalling of emissions. The fact the project is in the middle of Downtown with a decent sized apartment building, probably using wood as the primary construction material, and with the added feature that most residents won’t be using a car for daily activities should be more then enough in the case of environmental stewardship. No reason to make perfect the enemy of hood.

Always wasting time on bullshit it’s super annoying especially when we’re getting 20-30k new residents a year. We don’t have the time or money for net zero (whatever that means) so what’s the point of pushing it?
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It seems there are some very real difficulties and drawbacks with getting new construction to net zero, but consider this. The rationalization against adopting net zero in new construction seem to be similar to ones for not adopting other climate change mitigation measures; along the lines of "it's not happening somewhere/everywhere else, so why should we try?". Past failures seem to be used as a justification for continuing to fail.

Private developers will never adopt net zero if it impacts one cent of their profit margins, so the first projects that need to be done by organizations that have a built-in mandate to address climate change in their construction.

Eventually the cost of not doing this will hopefully force private developers into adopting net zero targets for their construction.

Someone's gotta be first.
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Solar is more expensive per kwh over the life of the system than hydro is in Manitoba. So from a financial perspective, it doesn't make sense to go "net zero". I believe the cost for solar is around 15c per kwh and Hydro charges 10c.
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wait hydros 10cents now last i saw was 8 on my bill
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wait hydros 10cents now last i saw was 8 on my bill
Maybe it’s cheaper out there in the sticks on the edge of the universe
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Latest rendering of the Market Lands development.

The building will be one of the first net zero carbon projects in Canada, it will produce as much energy as it consumes. The design includes a state-of-the art building envelope, with the front of the building being clad entirely in solar panels.

Happy to see some movement on this project, although architecturally it fits in a little too closely with all the civic builds around there from the 60s and 70s. I don't know how an architect can look at all the charming heritage buildings around it and then think something this bleak fits the neighbourhood. There were so many more interesting proposals from the get go.
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Yeah it’s textbook minimum budget poop visually.
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The design has declined markedly with each new rendering….
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Any word on groundbreaking?
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Work starting on the first floor of Bannatyne

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Cool picture, thanks for posting!
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Starting Jan 2024. Expected completion 2026.
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Starting Jan 2024. Expected completion 2026.
Here we go! I look forward to this market when it opens.
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Major development back in public eye

Market Lands, a mixed-use project in the Exchange District, put up for tender
By: Gabrielle Piché
Posted: 2:01 AM CST Wednesday, Nov. 29, 2023

After a lengthy delay and a significant redesign, a major downtown development is back in the public eye.

Market Lands, a mixed-use project in the Exchange District, was put up for tender last Friday.

Contractors are searching for bidders to construct a residential tower and adjoining creative hub called the “Art-Cube.”

The Market Lands tender outlines a 92,730-sq.-ft. mixed-use building including a nine-storey residential tower and a three-storey art cube.

Construction was originally expected to begin in the early months of 2022. Now, project leads hope shovels will hit the ground off King Street next January.

Bloated costs delayed the timeline, according to a head developer.

“We had to take a pause,” said Jeremy Read, chief executive of the University of Winnipeg Community Renewal Corp. 2.0.

The UWCRC 2.0 and CentreVenture, a downtown development organization, helm a non-profit leading the creation of Market Lands.

The first Market Lands designs emerged publicly in 2018 via a design competition. The development was meant to replace the unused Public Safety Building across from Red River College Polytechnic’s Exchange District campus.

Market Lands drew pledges of funding, including more than $27.4 million from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. in 2021.

“As we progressed through the design and got into the pricing on (the) concept, it was just cost prohibitive,” Read said.

Developers had proposed a 10-storey apartment and arts organization hub, and an open market space, using a design void of mechanical systems to heat and cool the building. The goal was — and is — to create a net-zero energy consumption site.

The space was to be naturally ventilated.

In June of 2021, Market Lands’ construction cost was a projected $34 million, Read said. The price ballooned to $40 million in the fall after another estimate came in. Developers hadn’t yet incorporated prices for consultations and other secondary costs, Read recounted.

The costs were “taking the project to a place that we were not comfortable with and didn’t think was economically feasible,” he added.

The UWCRC 2.0 has developed several downtown apartments, including Muse Flats and 308 Colony, which is designed to operate near net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.

“What we had to redesign, really, was a building that incorporated mechanical system feedback,” Read said.

Over 18 months, Market Lands went through an interior redesign incorporating electric boilers and electric baseboard heaters, among other things.

A facade built almost entirely of solar panels is part of the current design, just as it was in the design’s past iteration, Read said.

Market Lands will still be a Canada Green Building Council certified net-zero building, he added. It’ll be the first mid-rise tower in the country to attain the certificate, he said.

The project’s tender outlines a 92,730-sq.-ft. mixed-use building including a nine-storey residential tower and a three-storey art cube.

Read expects the overall project to cost around $55 million, including roughly $40 million worth of construction. General construction costs have continued to rise over the past years, he noted.

The new plan calls for 95 apartment units. Of those, 48 will be marketed at 59 per cent of the median market rental rate and targeted at tenants with lower incomes.

Rendering of the Market Lands mixed-use project in the Exchange District.

The rooms won’t look different from those costing full rent, Read said.

The adjoining art space will house Urban Shaman Contemporary Aboriginal Art Gallery, Mentoring Artists for Women’s Art (MAWA), and offices for Creative Manitoba and Manitoba Music.

“It’s important for us to be here,” said Debbie Keeper, interim director of Urban Shaman.

The non-profit will erect its gallery on the main floor. It’ll bring new attention to the 27-year-old Indigenous organization, Keeper said.

Creative Manitoba intends to open a boardroom, classroom and a co-working space that others can sublet in Market Lands.

“I think the exciting thing about it is to be part of… a landmark facility,” said Thom Sparling, Creative Manitoba’s executive director.

Still, he’s cautious. He was part of the original committee determining a new use for the former Public Safety Building lot.

“There’s been so many stops and starts in this process,” Sparling said. “I’m waiting to see the shovels in the ground.”

Read is anticipating construction to begin in January 2024.

The City of Winnipeg issued a development permit for Market Lands on Nov. 21. Developers have submitted a building permit and await approval, Read said.

He hopes to see tenants in Market Lands beginning January 2026.

“There’s no group more anxious to see the building built than CentreVenture and UWCRC,” Read said. “It’s been a long journey, and we’re doing something innovative here.”

Funders of the project will likely be disclosed early next year, he added.

In 2021, Winnipeg’s executive policy committee agreed to waive Market Lands’ property taxes for 25 years through a tax-increment financing grant.

It also agreed to reduce the land’s lease payments to $1 per year.

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Major development back in public eye

Market Lands, a mixed-use project in the Exchange District, put up for tender
By: Gabrielle Piché
Posted: 2:01 AM CST Wednesday, Nov. 29, 2023

After a lengthy delay and a significant redesign, a major downtown development is back in the public eye.

Market Lands, a mixed-use project in the Exchange District, was put up for tender last Friday.

Contractors are searching for bidders to construct a residential tower and adjoining creative hub called the “Art-Cube.”

The Market Lands tender outlines a 92,730-sq.-ft. mixed-use building including a nine-storey residential tower and a three-storey art cube.

Construction was originally expected to begin in the early months of 2022. Now, project leads hope shovels will hit the ground off King Street next January.

Bloated costs delayed the timeline, according to a head developer.

“We had to take a pause,” said Jeremy Read, chief executive of the University of Winnipeg Community Renewal Corp. 2.0.

The UWCRC 2.0 and CentreVenture, a downtown development organization, helm a non-profit leading the creation of Market Lands.

The first Market Lands designs emerged publicly in 2018 via a design competition. The development was meant to replace the unused Public Safety Building across from Red River College Polytechnic’s Exchange District campus.

Market Lands drew pledges of funding, including more than $27.4 million from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. in 2021.

“As we progressed through the design and got into the pricing on (the) concept, it was just cost prohibitive,” Read said.

Developers had proposed a 10-storey apartment and arts organization hub, and an open market space, using a design void of mechanical systems to heat and cool the building. The goal was — and is — to create a net-zero energy consumption site.

The space was to be naturally ventilated.

In June of 2021, Market Lands’ construction cost was a projected $34 million, Read said. The price ballooned to $40 million in the fall after another estimate came in. Developers hadn’t yet incorporated prices for consultations and other secondary costs, Read recounted.

The costs were “taking the project to a place that we were not comfortable with and didn’t think was economically feasible,” he added.

The UWCRC 2.0 has developed several downtown apartments, including Muse Flats and 308 Colony, which is designed to operate near net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.

“What we had to redesign, really, was a building that incorporated mechanical system feedback,” Read said.

Over 18 months, Market Lands went through an interior redesign incorporating electric boilers and electric baseboard heaters, among other things.

A facade built almost entirely of solar panels is part of the current design, just as it was in the design’s past iteration, Read said.

Market Lands will still be a Canada Green Building Council certified net-zero building, he added. It’ll be the first mid-rise tower in the country to attain the certificate, he said.

The project’s tender outlines a 92,730-sq.-ft. mixed-use building including a nine-storey residential tower and a three-storey art cube.

Read expects the overall project to cost around $55 million, including roughly $40 million worth of construction. General construction costs have continued to rise over the past years, he noted.

The new plan calls for 95 apartment units. Of those, 48 will be marketed at 59 per cent of the median market rental rate and targeted at tenants with lower incomes.

Rendering of the Market Lands mixed-use project in the Exchange District.

The rooms won’t look different from those costing full rent, Read said.

The adjoining art space will house Urban Shaman Contemporary Aboriginal Art Gallery, Mentoring Artists for Women’s Art (MAWA), and offices for Creative Manitoba and Manitoba Music.

“It’s important for us to be here,” said Debbie Keeper, interim director of Urban Shaman.

The non-profit will erect its gallery on the main floor. It’ll bring new attention to the 27-year-old Indigenous organization, Keeper said.

Creative Manitoba intends to open a boardroom, classroom and a co-working space that others can sublet in Market Lands.

“I think the exciting thing about it is to be part of… a landmark facility,” said Thom Sparling, Creative Manitoba’s executive director.

Still, he’s cautious. He was part of the original committee determining a new use for the former Public Safety Building lot.

“There’s been so many stops and starts in this process,” Sparling said. “I’m waiting to see the shovels in the ground.”

Read is anticipating construction to begin in January 2024.

The City of Winnipeg issued a development permit for Market Lands on Nov. 21. Developers have submitted a building permit and await approval, Read said.

He hopes to see tenants in Market Lands beginning January 2026.

“There’s no group more anxious to see the building built than CentreVenture and UWCRC,” Read said. “It’s been a long journey, and we’re doing something innovative here.”

Funders of the project will likely be disclosed early next year, he added.

In 2021, Winnipeg’s executive policy committee agreed to waive Market Lands’ property taxes for 25 years through a tax-increment financing grant.

It also agreed to reduce the land’s lease payments to $1 per year.

gabrielle.piche@winnipegfreepress.com
Still no mention of the north lots! If they aren't developed simultaneously, this area will remain an eyesore for the foreseeable future. Surely they can find a developer or two. Right across from a college, in the heart of downtown across from the theatre district. Seems like a prime location and the site is squeaky clean.
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