BC Political Discussion: Election 2020 and Beyond

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

BC Liberals would be wise to promise reviving the George Massey Bridge (and this time do a way better job in marketing the raid bus component) and also committing to recently shelved / reduced highway projects in the interior while also promising to continue with all planned transit expansion.

"raid bus" seems pretty appropriate right now

[jollyburger]

Politicans being politicans.

I mean having a 50-50 split with Greens in control wasn't some conspiracy job by someone to screw with his ability to govern. That's how British Columbia voted in the last election.

The idiot is going to be crying when he reads the polling on how people suddenly forget about his amazing Covid leadership.

Foundation of a Relationship

This agreement sets out a new relatonship between the two parties, founded on the principle of “good faith and no surprises”.

https://bcndpcaucus.ca/wp-content/up...-29th-2017.pdf

[casper]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Going into this election, I don't think anyone even knows Site C or TMX even exist anymore. Ultimately this will be a referendum on handling of COVID (including calling an early election), and even more than usual "the economy, stupid".

Transportation infrastructure is probably absolutely a non-issue for most people right now, since traffic and transit congestion are way way down (for obvious reasons). Hell, I live on the North Shore and congestion on the Second Narrows seems like a distant memory.



Those Surrey ridings are some hard flips. On the other hand, the NDP could very easily take back Burke Mountain, and False Creek has consistently trended towards an NDP slant.

I agree to some extent. The Liberals need to shift the discussion from how COVID was handled to how the recovery from COVID will be handled.

The BC economy has taken a major hit. We still have to have controls in place to avoid COVID becoming a major issue. There are people who have lost their jobs that need a future.

The liberals need to be all about stimulating the economy. It has to be about infrastructure that helps local business become successful. Fixing transportation issues is a good start. It should also be about making it viable for people to live outside of Vancouver and Victoria and being able to commute in for a day or two a week. Reflecting the new reality of work.

If the liberals want to do well south of the Fraser I would focus on immigration. The provincial government has some limited immigration powers and it should focus on building business ties and immigration from targeted markets such as India and China.

[Dengler Avenue]

Fixing transportation issues is a good start. It should also be about making it viable for people to live outside of Vancouver and Victoria and being able to commute in for a day or two a week. Reflecting the new reality of work.

Did Christy Clark (before the Liberals got trashed) actually hint at one point that people should live outside of Metro Vancouver if they couldn’t afford housing in the Metro?
If yes, people might be triggered enough to go, “Away with the corrupt liberals!”

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by casper

The liberals need to be all about stimulating the economy. It has to be about infrastructure that helps local business become successful. Fixing transportation issues is a good start. It should also be about making it viable for people to live outside of Vancouver and Victoria and being able to commute in for a day or two a week. Reflecting the new reality of work.

Certainly I think this is the only Liberal path to victory, but I think "we need more people working" is a difficult position to navigate when the immediate NDP response is "so you want more people working together spreading COVID?"

If the liberals want to do well south of the Fraser I would focus on immigration. The provincial government has some limited immigration powers and it should focus on building business ties and immigration from targeted markets such as India and China.

Love it or hate it, I don't know if promoting immigration when unemployment is 12% is a solid political angle to take.

[zahav]

What a foolish decision this was. The NDP were doing well, and most importantly, people like/need stability. This year has been horrible for everyone and especially those of us with anxiety or other issues. The prospet of an election (especially when all attention undoubtedly will be on the US one and the Trump circus) is lucirous, and people are not in the right space to deal with it now. It smacks of opportunism, and I am really surprised Horgan made such a foolish move, it gives a really bad taste. With that said, I don't think the Libs are really ready, and will be relying on a message to improve things etc. to win. And it is going to be hard, even if people are mad at Horgan for this election call, not sure they'd necessarily support an all new government right now.

We need an early-mid 2000's Liberal revival, but not sure the current roster is going to take us there.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Welp so much for that, BC finally having a good government is coming to an end, the libtards will surely win.

[jollyburger]

Cue up the reasons to have an election during Covid. From Bowinn Ma.

A) Need to test out how society functions during a crisis.

B) We'll still be screwed next October, so why not just do it now?

“We do need to learn to carry on in the things that are important for our society to function and our democratic processes are absolutely one of those critical pieces,” she said. “Whether or not the election was called today… or was allowed to carry out during the fixed election date, it still would have been a COVID election.”

https://www.nsnews.com/news/north-va...all-1.24206929

[logan5]

If this is an opportunity to shake loose Green Party policies that don't align with what the NDP wants to put forward, then I don't blame them for seizing that opportunity. There are probably job creating projects that the NDP would have went forward with, but the Greens put a stop to it.

[Migrant_Coconut]

I do wish the NDP would start shifting from clear cuts to tree farming and keep old growth off limits, instead of just blindly chasing the forestry votes...

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by logan5

If this is an opportunity to shake loose Green Party policies that don't align with what the NDP wants to put forward, then I don't blame them for seizing that opportunity. There are probably job creating projects that the NDP would have went forward with, but the Greens put a stop to it.

Then they shouldn't have done a deal if whatever they were asking for was that bad. It'll be interesting to see what magical job projects they'll unveil in the next month.

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Copy and paste

Feeling good about a Liberal win.

The last election saw razor thin margins in several swing ridings. The BC NDP have pissed off cab drivers, non-union trades and medium businesses. Lumber industry has been decimated as well.

They just need 1 more riding to get a majority and I can see them getting Courtenay-Comox and 2 of the Surrey ridings.

You just need to campaign on the following:

I appreciate your comments and I feel much the same.

can I get a .......

GO WILKINSON GO!

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

Repost to new Thread:

There will be voter backlash against Horgan calling an election during a pandemic in order to capitalize on his polling numbers and obviate any potential for a lower electoral performance next year. I am for one, turned off with his decision as an NDP supporter. It's a self-interested power grab during a time where people lost their jobs, struggling with physical and mental issues, and realigning their schedules to stay afloat and maintain household balance. It's almost Trump-like to call an election early for self-interest pursuits.

Horgan suggesting Covid 19 is hear to stay until next year, so let's have the election now, is farcical. There is a lot that can change between now and then (vaccines, etc.), so that's not a valid reason. As well, it just fuels conspiracies that the government is using Covid to shape politics and societies and that nothing will change between now and then. Lastly, with Dr. Henry inculcating others to be mindful about preventing the spreading of Covid 19, that seems to no longer be important anymore when an election is called and requires people's participation to some degree in the public domain.

HERE HERE! well put. I know multiple NDPers who are pissed and will be voting Green. nice break down one things.

all I can do is hope we get a whole bunch of Comox Valley NDPers to vote Green!

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by NetMapel

Feels like a naked attempt to win more seats because of favourable polling, therefore putting our lives more at risk. I can only assume calling an election now will take resources and focus away from covid response for our elected officials? Ultimately, I need to hear what the BC Liberals will do about this pandemics. Horgan seemed to have given Dr Henry a lot of room to work so that's one positive things about the BC NDP so far.

if anyone would respect what Dr Henry is doing and support her its Wilkinson. He is you know .... a doctor, lawyer and Rhodes scholar after all.

[svlt]

Go Wilkinson Go would have landed better if the guy got out there the past few years... seriously where was he? Especially for an opposition with so many voices and seats as the governing party. That said I did say hello once on a flight to Cranbrook and he's a nice guy, but badly needs some sort of image consultant.

I'm undecided for the second time in a row for a provincial election. The Feds are easy personally, I've never liked the way the Cons governed and the NDP are too left for me. But the BC NDP have done some good things, have screwed the pooch on a couple of files and have made barely an impact on a few others. I didn't favor Clark & Co. getting another mandate to govern, it would just have given them too much hubris, but if I could jettison today's Wilkinson Liberals to run the province over 2017-2020 with the fallout and humbling they've had, I wonder if we would be better or worse off. I don't think on the balance my life would be much different. I'll take a look at the campaigns and see what each party is promising.

Not a classic voter profile that easily aligns to either. I think committing to funding the Millenium line to UBC this decade and/or finishing the Massey tunnel replacement project soon would get my vote, though funny enough each party might promise one of them. I definitely want to see some more solid plans on how they will tackle the out of control homelesness and mental addiction crisis that's affecting downtown Vancouver that doesn't just involve building them more hotels and applying additional downward pressure on the real estate economy. And I'd want to hear if they have any response to how they might interact with China going forward. But please no more interference in resource projects, especially in a post-COVID provincial economy. If Horgan makes even a peep about obstructing another federally approved project he loses my vote.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

HERE HERE! well put. I know multiple NDPers who are pissed and will be voting Green. nice break down one things.

all I can do is hope we get a whole bunch of Comox Valley NDPers to vote Green!

Anyone contemplating Green should recall Weaver's parting shot against the party he led.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/ex-b-c-green-p...tter-1.4954239

Sonia Furstenau comes across as a dour, adult Greta Thurnberg. No thanks.
And we all know they will not form government.

The NDP has cleaned up a lot of the BC Liberal messes like ICBC and taken aim at money laundering. I'm just sad Carole James is leaving as she has done a good job as Finance Minister, being very pragmatic for an NDP government.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Anyone contemplating Green should recall Weaver's parting shot against the party he led.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/ex-b-c-green-p...tter-1.4954239

Sonia Furstenau comes across as a dour, adult Greta Thurnberg. No thanks.
And we all know they will not form government.

The NDP has cleaned up a lot of the BC Liberal messes like ICBC and taken aim at money laundering. I'm just sad Carole James is leaving as she has done a good job as Finance Minister, being very pragmatic for an NDP government.

Yes the BC Greens just elected an eco-socialist as leader, instead of Brewer, a late entry into the race who did quite well. He is definitely more market-aligned, with a big Green agenda of course. A breath of fresh air, but alas.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

I appreciate your comments and I feel much the same.

can I get a .......

GO WILKINSON GO!

As someone who has voted Liberal since I have come into this province 20 years ago - with the exception of the last election, I voted NDP, what can you possibly find compelling about the Liberals today?

Wilkinson is about as interesting of a leader as soggy bread is a compelling meal.

What have the Liberals done over the last 3 years to earn a vote?

This is a genuine question. They have been invisible this whole NDP term, and any information that has come out just showcased more incompetence and corruption under the C.Clark government.

Right now I don't see a reason to not vote NDP again.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Yes the BC Greens just elected an eco-socialist as leader, instead of Brewer, a late entry into the race who did quite well. He is definitely more market-aligned, with a big Green agenda of course. A breath of fresh air, but alas.

But in the grand scheme of things does it really matter? No leader was going to propel them into 15 seats let alone 5.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by rofina

As someone who has voted Liberal since I have come into this province 20 years ago - with the exception of the last election, I voted NDP, what can you possibly find compelling about the Liberals today?

Wilkinson is about as interesting of a leader as soggy bread is a compelling meal.

What have the Liberals done over the last 3 years to earn a vote?

This is a genuine question. They have been invisible this whole NDP term, and any information that has come out just showcased more incompetence and corruption under the C.Clark government.

Right now I don't see a reason to not vote NDP again.

They'll win or lose on the news cycles leading up to voting. Like you said it was easy to vote NDP in the last election. I guess Horgan is depending on the Covid response and subsequent positive polling to win.

And the likelhood that Green-NDP let alone a Green-Liberal coalition government anytime in the near future? Nil?