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[drew]

Why is Winnipeg verus Halifax a fair comparison? What are the two similarities between the two cities that would suggest this?

Perhaps we can get someone to superimpose the size of Halifax's downtown on top of Winnipeg's to get a sense of the scale difference. Let's not even start about the differences in Geography that may help explain why one city has a relatively small CBD bordered by an ocean on one side and a hill on the other...

Winnipeg is fighting a downtown revitalization war on so many fronts it is not surprising every development seems like a drop in the bucket. Halifax? Not so much.

Halifax is a great city - but I don't see why we need to say what is happening there currently is any reflection on what happens in Winnipeg.

[Urban recluse]

Size of the downtown plays no role in this when you look at the sheer number of projects, and it is clear downtown Halifax is on the right path, while Winnipeg, not so much. The number of projects in Halifax would be a Hell of a lot more than a proverbial drop in the bucket in downtown Winnipeg.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=223

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

It is not being negative when you base an argument on history. The discussion here has turned to whether or not the entire project will proceed because of a lack of demand. That says a lot.

The only question there is whether Chipman's companies will build their sixth tower. Sixth. I think it's going alright.

[Urban recluse]

Sixth?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Sixth?

Centrepoint = 2 towers
TNS =2 UC, 1 about to start, #6 is the question mark.

[Urban recluse]

Oh. Centrepoint is not part of TNS though.

[Wpg_Guy]

And Northland's Sutton iirc is complete independent from Chipman..

[esquire]

Originally Posted by WpG_GuY

And Northland's Sutton iirc is complete independent from Chipman..

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Oh. Centrepoint is not part of TNS though.

Chipmans are the driving force behind all 3 projects. Sutton Place is the hotel component of TNS, and Centrepoint is just a marketing name. But I'm guessing you guys aren't interested in hearing facts.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by WpG_GuY

And Northland's Sutton iirc is complete independent from Chipman..

"completely independent".... right. It's not like there was a plan for it before northland came onboard. While it may in fact be totally separate legally the impetus for it is 100% from TN

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by esquire

Chipmans are the driving force behind all 3 projects. Sutton Place is the hotel component of TNS, and Centrepoint is just a marketing name. But I'm guessing you guys aren't interested in hearing facts.

But we are not talking about them, rather this project: TNS.

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

"completely independent".... right. It's not like there was a plan for it before northland came onboard. While it may in fact be totally separate legally the impetus for it is 100% from TN

Yes im aware of the history, just pointing out Northland owns that property

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

But we are not talking about them, rather this project: TNS.

If you want to get stuck on the marketing-speak then that's certainly your prerogative.

[Andy6]

I've kind of lost track of what this argument is supposed to be about.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Andy6

I've kind of lost track of what this argument is supposed to be about.

If opening P&M is part of the argument I’m in.....

[Phil McAvity]

Originally Posted by GreyGarden

Comparing Winnipeg and Edmonton is a bit of a stretch on a number of factors but Winnipeg and Halifax is a totally legitimate comparison that makes Winnipeg look bad. I have a hard time understanding how a city half our size is outperforming us like that.

Given that Halifax is half the population of Winnipeg a comparison is ridiculous, the only cities one can compare to Winnipeg are really Hamilton and QC since they are all the same size, just as comparing Edmonton's development with Winnipeg's is ridiculous since Edmonton is half again the population of Winnipeg so Edmonton should only be compared to Calgary and Ottawa.

Halifax and Edmonton are in the midst of building booms and Winnipeg isn't, 3 mid-sized buildings under construction in a city of 800,000 people is far from a building boom.

[windypeg]

Geeze. Halifax is doing great and good for them. Just because we're not doing as well doesn't mean we're not doing all right. Winnipeg is like the D student who's now getting some B's, and Urban Recluse is the stingy Asian dad who just says "Why can't you get straight A's like Halifax?"

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Right Brent. Developers are racing to build in downtown Winnipeg because everyone wants to be there. Meanwhile, nothing is being built there because there is very little demand. Get over yourself. The reality is that downtown Hamilton and Halifax are killing Winnipeg in terms of new developments. If you are fooling anyone it is only yourself.

I'm no expert, but I have serious doubts as to these claims. Winnipeg has grown faster than both cities, in both percentage and actual numbers. Hamilton has not grown at all. The only reason the CMA of Hamilton growns at all, is that the Burlington area is quickly catching up to Hamilton in terms of population and significance in the Golden Horseshoe. You can even argue that Burlington residents are just as likely to commute to Mississauga and other areas of Ontario, or stay in Burlington, rather than work in such a economically depressed city like Hamilton.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Size of the downtown plays no role in this when you look at the sheer number of projects, and it is clear downtown Halifax is on the right path, while Winnipeg, not so much. The number of projects in Halifax would be a Hell of a lot more than a proverbial drop in the bucket in downtown Winnipeg.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=223

Yes, because as you and I know, Atlantic Canada has hundreds of thousands of jobs that need to be filled. How is Halifax relevant to this thread? They have 1/2 the population of Winnipeg, and the only bright spot in an economically depressed region. The only people moving there are from economically depressed regions like Cape Breton and Newfoundland. I know absolutely nobody who has moved to Atlantic Canada to land a job, unless they are originally from that area.

[Authentic_City]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

They are building not because of demand. You can ask Chipman why, but I suspect it is his way of trying to help revitalize the downtown. The companies moving in are existing companies, which will leave vacancies in other buildings.

Setting aside the issue of demand for office space, you can't be seriously suggesting that Chipman is doing this as some type of civic charity project? Let's all be clear here: Chipman is in this to make money, and he has obviously determined that revitalizing and developing the area around the arena will increase the value of his asset. This is not motivated by pure altruism. What Pollard is doing on Main Street may well be an act of charity, but not a project of this scale.

[BigG]

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