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More realistically, the lack of a major pro sports team in Saskatoon means more available concert dates and to some extent, more money left over to spend on concert tickets.
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you guys might turn Thomas Rhett into a bit of a SSP meme
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I think I figured out the problem,
you can't do math properly!!
IGF stadium in Winnipeg opened a year late, cost $210 million + another $35 million a year after to repair what wasn't built properly (maybe they couldn't do math either) $245 million total.
New Mosaic Stadium in Regina opened on time & on budget and cost $278 million. With sunk-into-ground field & wind deflecting roof, All LED stadium lighting & high end sound system, state of the art training facilities, video scoreboard slightly larger than the main board at the new Vikings stadium etc.
By doing the math properly, the more technologically advanced New Mosaic did not cost 2x more than IGF Stadium.
The point I'm making is the reason SaskTel Centre gets just as many if not more concerts than Bell MTS as well as consistently higher attendance at each concert both cities on tours share is likely because even though Manitoba has ~15% larger population than Saskatchewan, the major urban centres of Saskatoon & Regina in the province have ~20% higher median household income than Winnipeg. Also Saskatchewan has a younger average age and therefore a demographic more likely to go to concerts.
I don't make the rules or set policies on what events come to Saskatoon, one of my friend's spouse use to be on SaskTel Centre board of directors and it was explained to me that Saskatoon's persistence & ability to draw large acts through successfully securing and promoting artists to the arena has made a name for itself. Whether people from other cities, such as Winnipeg, like it or not, Saskatoon is consistently in the top half dozen cities in Canada to get national and international performing acts. When acts do only 6 - 8 or so concerts in Canada, Saskatoon is consistently on the list of dates.
https://edmontonjournal.com/entertai...s-place-aug-18
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Ah my apologies - for some reason I thought Mosaic cost 400MM. My mistake there.
That said, that "problem" doesn't have anything to do with my statement though, which was posters were more or less positive about Mosaic stadium? I know I was impressed with it when it was unveiled. I still think it is a beautiful venue (they could have picked a better colour than green though
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First Off, from the venues themselves:
Sasktel's own website says they host over 100 events per year
An old Article about the former MTS Centre being one of busiest venues in North America states more than 140 events per year
Next, Lets go more directly to your point then, shall we?
Instead of posting wikipedia articles and edmonton journal news clipping about concerts that reach Sasktel Centre (one could selectively do the same with Bell MTS Place mind you...), let's look at actual ticket sales for music concerts via Pollstar. What I've seen is you mostly posting about hypotheticals and linking random news articles about some concert that went through Sasktel centre as evidence of being busier than Bell MTS Place.
So let's look at raw ticket sales
for concerts, as best we can.
All the big names and big shows report to Pollstar, as do many smaller ones.
In mid-2017 report from Pollstar
Bell MTS place was in 113th place in the world with 74,956 tickets sold
Sasktel Centre was in 152nd place with 46,335 tickets sold
(Again, this is from Pollstar - it is only for shows between Jan 1 2017 and June 30 2017)
The Year End report from 2017 from Pollstar (Jan 1 2017 to Dec 31 2017)
Bell MTS Place finished 113th place in the world with 155,582 tickets sold
Sasktel Centre finished in 140th place with 99,807 tickets sold
In the Mid-2018 report from Pollstar: (Jan 1 2018, to June 30 2018)
Bell MTS place was in 120th place in the world with 62,927 tickets sold
Sasktel Centre did not make the top 200 arenas (<25,598 tickets sold)
Again this is only for tickets sold for concert shows. It doesn't include NHL or AHL in Winnipeg, nor the WHL team in Saskatoon.
The point I am making, is that there are more tickets sold in shows at Bell MTS Place just from the last year and half of data alone.
And lastly, to your notion about demographics being a reason why Sasktel gets more shows than Bell MTS (which, as we've already proven above, it does not)
It is important to point out when talking finances, that the wellbeing of the city itself is important. Head offices are a good sign of a city's general wherewithal in terms of attracting corporations.
Winnipeg has 24 head offices in Canada, as of 2016, fifth most in the country
Saskatoon has 9. A lot for a city it's size, but less corporations. What does this mean? It means an average is just that. An average. There is a larger and more diverse spectrum of financial wherewithal in Winnipeg. More people on the lower end of that can certainly bring that average down.
There are more people in Winnipeg, more people means a larger demographic, there are also more shows that go through Winnipeg than Saskatoon (generally speaking, I mean that go through each respective city and all their venues); a larger demographic with access to more shows means more people will have more options. Winnipeg has an abundance of venues, which also take smaller shows away from Bell MTS place. Some smaller names, but still recognizable have skipped Bell MTS Place to perform in different venues. The same argument can be made for Saskatoon, yes but Winnipeg has many more venues. We are ultimately talking about shows and concerts and venues, right?
Your argument about Saskatchewan having a younger median age and thus a demographic more likely to go to concerts? What are you trying to say by comparing an entire province demographic when you're talking about Sasktel centre which is in Saskatoon? Sasktel's centre's primary audience will be in Saskatoon and the Saskatoon CMA. It will no doubt draw from Regina and around Saskatchewan, just as Winnipeg will draw around Manitoba, NW Ontario and ND, but the primary population is still served by the Winnipeg CMA.
Let's look at this young demographic between Saskatoon and Winnipeg, which is more fair to the point you were making and the comparison between the two arenas...
This is right from the last census (2016)
Winnipeg demographics age 15-34: 198,220
Saskatoon demographics age 15-34: 75,845
or about 2.6x the number of people in that young age group who can go and buy concert tickets for whomever
As i said:
Doesn't change points 1-4 from my previous post.
it also doesn't change the data from Pollstar. It is a nonsensical argument.
You're in London. No one in Winnipeg is going to say Bell MTS gets more concerts than O2
Go have a nice few local pints at Brewdog and relax, have some for me, yes we have been debating with one another but I still respect you as a fellow SSP poster, and I also respect your passion for Saskatoon!
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