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ethereal_reality · #**14641** Posted **May 16, 2013, 5:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by tovangar2

The photo that e_r posted long ago with the jaw-dropping news-to-me (apparently e_r knew) caption about the tree ending up at Exposition Park.

Tovanger2, you deserve the credit for resurrecting this wonderful conversation about the beloved Arcade Palm.
Kudos to you!
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tovangar2 · #**14642** Posted **May 16, 2013, 5:59 AM**

Pfft. That was totally random on my part. Thx for this incredible thread.

ProphetM · #**14643** Posted **May 16, 2013, 6:14 AM**

I've been searching online newspaper archives for any articles about the Arcade palm's move in 1914. Look what I found about one of its siblings:

Los Angeles Herald, Volume XL, Number 2, 13 April 1893:

California Digital Newspaper Collection

I assume this would be the southernmost of the 4 palms along the wall. Now, to find out whether they actually did ship it to Chicago...

tovangar2 · #**14644** Posted **May 16, 2013, 6:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by ProphetM

I've been searching online newspaper archives for any articles about the Arcade palm's move in 1914. Look what I found about one of its siblings:

Los Angeles Herald, Volume XL, Number 2, 13 April 1893:

California Digital Newspaper Collection

I assume this would be the southernmost of the 4 palms along the wall. Now, to find out whether they actually did ship it to Chicago...

Thank you PM, what a thrilling development! And an A L Bath mention too :-)

See item #4 on the list at this link:
http://www.history.com/news/7-things...go-worlds-fair
"A century old palm"? Maybe half a century. LOL

This one claims the palm was 127 years old!:
http://area.northwestcollege.edu/id/...SLEBODNICK.pdf

Hmmm, the pic here does not show a fan palm, although it's flanked by a pair:
http://books.google.com/books?id=opl...page&q&f=false

Oh, the old palm was from San Diego. Bummer:
http://books.google.com/books?id=QYE...20Palm&f=false

An 1891 World's Fair Company certificate signed by Henry T. Hazard, Mayor of LA and President of the World's Fair Company:

"This corporation is organized for the purpose of enabling the people to visit the World's Fair in 1893 by the gradual accumulation of savings at the rate of $l.50 per week for 100 weeks. The company will guarantee first-class tickets to and from Chicago at any time during the continuance of the World's Fair, furnish meals en route both ways, Good Hotel Accommodations for six days at Chicago, six admission tickets to the World's Fair grounds, six meal tickets on the grounds, two tickets to any first-class theater, free 'bus to and from depot to hotel at Chicago.

Also guarantee to furnish membership certificate of the Columbian Exposition Information Bureau, who will have uniformed officers at depots to receive you, conduct you to your hotel, look after your baggage, and will furnish you with all necessary information concerning the World's Fair. All weekly payments are payable at any of the company's custodians of funds, which remain there for this purpose. For further particulars, inquire at the office of the company, 129 S. Spring Spring street, up stairs.

Refer by permission to The Farmers and Merchants Bank, First National Bank, Citizens' Bank and City Bank, custodians of funds. 7-5 wed-fri-sun"
http://scripophily.net/wofacolosanc.html

ProphetM · #**14645** Posted **May 16, 2013, 6:29 AM**

A couple more for tonight - from the same database:

A brief mention of the Arcade palm in an article about moving big trees, from the Los Angeles Herald, Volume XXVIII, Number 13, 14 October 1900:

"About ten years ago the giant palm standing in front of the Arcade station was moved there at a cost of $250. Since the palm has been in this isolated position it has been unfruitful."

"Notes" column, Los Angeles Herald, Volume 40, Number 108, 28 July 1893:

"A team attached to a hack ran away at the Arcade depot yesterday and collided with the iron fence surrounding the big palm tree. The hack was overturned and the driver was thrown from his box but he pluckily caught the horses and held them, while an athletic young man, one of the train dispatchers, assisted the people in the carriage, three, a little girl and a man, out of their perilous position through the window."

Good thing that fence was there!

Flyingwedge · #**14646** Posted **May 16, 2013, 6:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

This tree appears to be a California Fan Palm. Their generic name is in honor of President Washington. They are native to Southern California and a small part of Baja California, Mexico....fossils of them are found to be 70 million years old. They flower in the Spring and are usually but not always, separately male and female trees. To determine the sex, you have to see the flowers up close when they're in bloom. I haven't done that yet.

CBD, if the photo immediately below was taken in 1886, when do you think the next, earlier photo of the same trees was taken?

“Fan palms at the residence of Sheriff Hammel on San Pedro Street, Los Angeles”
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/8915/rec/9

CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...24IANV93FA.jpg

tovangar2 · #**14647** Posted **May 16, 2013, 8:55 AM**

A recent instagram of Arcade palm by Nathan Masters:

http://instagram.com/p/MtuSQaNBJb/

Having grown up with the Lang Oak as a reference point, I'm still dumbfounded I didn't know until now about the continued existence of this palm.

And one last shot of the west side of San Pedro Street between 2nd and 3rd, looking southwest:

gsv (sept 2012)

CityBoyDoug · #**14648** Posted **May 16, 2013, 1:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

CBD, if the photo immediately below was taken in 1886, when do you think the next, earlier photo of the same trees was taken?

“Fan palms at the residence of Sheriff Hammel on San Pedro Street, Los Angeles”
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/8915/rec/9

CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...24IANV93FA.jpg

It was possibly taken in 1876....but that's just my guess.

jg6544 · #**14649** Posted **May 16, 2013, 5:00 PM**

I think we should go back to trying to figure out where that monkey farm was. :-)

ethereal_reality · #**14650** Posted **May 16, 2013, 5:57 PM**

Have we discussed this tunnel-like entrance below the Los Angeles County Courthouse? (circled in red)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...oll65/id/20104

ebay believe or not

Was this the entrance used to transport prisoners into the courthouse? (or perhaps for coal trucks and other maintenance vehicles)

the complete photograph from ebay

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ethereal_reality · #**14651** Posted **May 16, 2013, 6:46 PM**

Turkish Parlor, Angelus Hotel, Los Angeles Cal

ebay

I didn't realize the hotel used to be named the Angelus de Anza Hotel.

mb/ebay

ebay

Here it's just the Angelus Hotel minus the de Anza.

ebay

"The House of Comfort."

mb/ebay
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ethereal_reality · #**14652** Posted **May 16, 2013, 7:31 PM**

Richfield Oil Co., Station No. 16, Los Angeles area -no exact street address

ebay

I didn't realize Richfield's service stations were identified by numbers.

Hints to it's location.

The Costa Macaroni MFG. Co. across the street

detail

The cupola in the distance situated between the Meat Market and the rear of the station.

detail

rbpjr · #**14653** Posted **May 16, 2013, 7:39 PM**

I'm PALMed out!!!

ethereal_reality · #**14654** Posted **May 16, 2013, 7:45 PM**

It was a narrow escape for the Celeste Apts.

gsv

The Hollywood Freeway practically sideswipes this fine old apartment building.

gsv

google earth
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Tourmaline · #**14655** Posted **May 16, 2013, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

tunnel entrance below the Los Angeles County Courthouse? (circled in red)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...oll65/id/20104

ebay believe or not

the complete photograph from ebay

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Hall of Justice parking indicates this was before advent of Fire Lanes or selective parking law enforcement.

So many photos on this thread depict banners hung from government buildings and street overhangs suggesting a celebration or the city fathers liked to make LA look like it was a perpetual party town or advertising friendly. I suspect photographers were more inclined to remove their lens caps when colorful banners were present. In the banner-laden photos above, what was the city celebrating? (Seems like the early '20s at the latest, which would suggest this is not Frank Shaw's b'day.)

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1888 - North-Side First St Bet. Spring-Main St.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...46G3C96YA3.jpg

Iriquois Wigwam?

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...QTLTQ8VK3U.jpg

1888 - Odd Fellows Conclave

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...XFNMGJGJX1.jpg

1889 - Odd Fellows Parade

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...AMMEP52KKT.jpg

1895 - Fiesta De Los Angeles (not a palm tree in sight.)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9HR3KSAFF9.jpg

1890

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...FBMSCM6BX6.jpg

1899 - Likely Spanish Am War victory celebration "Going to Armory."

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...FUP7JXVRHV.jpg

1899 - Spanish American War Victory Celebration at Los Angeles Depot. (??)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...7SRKBMTCJ8.jpg

1899 - Victory celebration

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...G2KYBBV3G8.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...87QGDLM2B4.jpg

1899 - Welcome the boys home "One Spring Street"

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...3UXN3VAMM3.jpg

1901 - Train for Pan American Exposition (Must have been a lot of Pan American Expos)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...Y7KIADK1P7.jpg

1905 - Cuculits & Heylek Fireworks, with proof of id! exact location unknown

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...6QCTE7B4MY.jpg

1924 - Any excuse for a party.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...99IYVYJTJC.jpg

1950 - Where is the newest Statler Hilton be built? Traffic Island seems safe enough . . . ?

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...HS1JGGXBKV.jpg

ethereal_reality · #**14656** Posted **May 16, 2013, 8:42 PM**

excellent photographs Tourmaline.
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This is the first I've heard of a stained glass dome in the lobby of the Herman W. Hellman Building (built 1903) at Fourth & Spring.
http://www.centuryhousing.org/blog/?p=1091

http://www.centuryhousing.org/blog/?p=1091

The building was recently renovated into apartments. Here's an interesting comment.

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/b...9bb2963f4.html

This is the building that also has the initials H.W.H. in cartouches along the facade. I think these initials might be the design
in the center of the dome.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=5990

gsv detail
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tovangar2 · #**14657** Posted **May 16, 2013, 10:15 PM**

There's an interesting article on the pioneer Hellman brothers, who came to LA from Bavaria in 1859, here: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec...la26-2009dec26

ethereal_reality · #**14658** Posted **May 16, 2013, 10:24 PM**

Somehow we've skipped this building on noirish Los Angeles. (I searched several times)

Joseph E. Carr Building 1909 by architect R.B. Young

644 S. Broadway

Dennis Cross at http://www.flickr.com/photos/ldcross...8041/lightbox/

Exquisite details!

jericl cat at http://www.flickr.com/photos/7976130...n/photostream/

But the building is unrecognizable at street level up to the 3rd floor.

gsv

Hopefully they'll take a cue from their next door neighbor, Clifton's Cafeteria, and tear off that 1960s/70s 'modern' facade.

2007

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fridayinla/1860847353/

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ethereal_reality · #**14659** Posted **May 16, 2013, 11:03 PM**

from http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/

Anyone recognize that street corner? (I don't know the name of the film....sorry.)
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Krell58 · #**14660** Posted **May 16, 2013, 11:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I love this photograph very much.

originally posted by flyingwedge

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14633

Is that a gas holder/gasometer in the distance?
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...I just located this.

Identical photograph(?), but where's the gasometer in this one?

old cd of mine
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I've gotten to where I like these trees better with the beard.