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Old Posted Feb 5, 2013, 5:44 PM
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San Diego Trolley (LR) - 95,700 daily boardings

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Doesn't San Diego also see Coaster commuter trains? Why didn't you include their 6,600 riders a day?
Amtrak California's Surfliner trains should be considered inter-city, and the Sprinter trains don't actually go to San Diego. But Coaster trains do.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2013, 6:29 PM
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Doesn't San Diego also see Coaster commuter trains? Why didn't you include their 6,600 riders a day?
Amtrak California's Surfliner trains should be considered inter-city, and the Sprinter trains don't actually go to San Diego. But Coaster trains do.
I didn't include Coaster data bc I found a few conflicting numbers. That's all.

The Sprinter runs from Escondido to Oceanside along 22 miles with 15 stations and carries 10,000 daily, while in SD County, it doesn't serve the city of San Diego.
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^ ....so that adds up to about 5 gazillion for metro NYC?

Now if we're going to add streetcars to the number, then we'll need to add the 5 people who use the Kenosha streetcar each day to metro Chicago's daily ridership
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2013, 9:42 PM
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^ ....so that adds up to about 5 gazillion for metro NYC?

Now if we're going to add streetcars to the number, then we'll need to add the 5 people who use the Kenosha streetcar each day to metro Chicago's daily ridership
Philly gets about 105,000 daily trips on its Streetcar system and Portland gets about 11,000 if I recall correctly. New England Cities have decent transit ridership , so those numbers seem high to you but aren't high to me. NJ too , the Density creates high usage on the Transit system , mostly buses for now , but Rail is starting to explode.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2013, 9:47 PM
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For Portland:
Max Lightrail 129600
Streetcar 11400**
Commuter Rail 1800

Total 142800
**Latest data is from June 2012, New line opened in Sept 2012.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2013, 10:15 PM
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^ ....so that adds up to about 5 gazillion for metro NYC?

Now if we're going to add streetcars to the number, then we'll need to add the 5 people who use the Kenosha streetcar each day to metro Chicago's daily ridership
If I understand Nexus' list correctly, you'd also need to add the South Bend streetcar (10,000 daily riders), the Metra extension to Rockford (20,000 daily), and the new Racine subway (40,000). What's that, you say? None of those are actually proposed and I'm just making up the ridership? Correct.

I'm all for transit fantasies, but let's keep them separate from questions about reality.
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Now if we're going to add streetcars to the number, then we'll need to add the 5 people who use the Kenosha streetcar each day to metro Chicago's daily ridership
actually, ridership on kenosha's streetcar is closer to 175 people per day.

but the kenosha city council has voted to provide funds to expand the system beyond its current 2 mile downtown loop, so if they get a real line or two connecting the downtown to the neighborhoods, it might actually be useful as real transportation.

in any event, even if there were thousands of people riding it everyday, including kenosha's streetcar number into a chicagoland rail ridership total would be pretty silly in my opinion.
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If I understand Nexus' list correctly, you'd also need to add the South Bend streetcar (10,000 daily riders), the Metra extension to Rockford (20,000 daily), and the new Racine subway (40,000).
don't forget about the new Arlington Heights funicular railway!

and shouldn't the ridership from the 13 roller coasters at six flags great america also be included? a railroad is a railroad, however crazy and loopy it may be.
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For Vancouver:

SkyTrain: 404,600
West Coast Express (commuter rail): 9,500

Total: 414,100
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If I understand Nexus' list correctly, you'd also need to add the South Bend streetcar (10,000 daily riders), the Metra extension to Rockford (20,000 daily), and the new Racine subway (40,000). What's that, you say? None of those are actually proposed and I'm just making up the ridership? Correct.

I'm all for transit fantasies, but let's keep them separate from questions about reality.
There all proposed , or under Construction so its not fantasy per say......Its more future outlook , there's nothing wrong with my numbers either. My DC-Maryland-NOVA-Delaware ideas are pure fantasy and really crazy , but the NYC regional lines that you see about are from NJT/MNRR or state , same with the numbers. So I basically just copied the list , some of it is from the Various Rail groups which work with the state or agency and have gotten lines built.
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Daily London (city proper):

Riverbus (boat) 18,000

Airlink Rail 50,000

Tramlink 80,000

Overground: 240,000

Light Rail: 300,000

Heavy Rail: 500,000

Commuter Rail 1.75 million

Underground: 3.66 million

Buses: 6.3 million

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Old Posted Feb 5, 2013, 11:12 PM
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I managed to google one of your projects before you deleted the list. Here's what I found for the West Trenton light rail, which I selected at random:
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NJ Transit listed this extension on its 2020 Transit wish list map, but has not taken further action.
So OK. You're listing official fantasies, but still not active projects, much less actual service on the ground. And you said yourself that you made your own assumptions about the ridership.

It obviously wasn't what this thread is about, and you deleted it. Matter closed as far as I'm concerned.
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We've explained to Nexis4Jersey many times that pie-in-the-sky transit dreams that he heard from his "sources" that lack any official online documentation don't count as actual "proposals". But he doesn't get it.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2013, 5:18 AM
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Daily London (city proper):

Riverbus 5,000

Airlink Rail 50,000

Tramlink 80,000

Overground: 240,000

Light Rail: 300,000

Heavy Rail: 500,000

Commuter Rail 1.75 million

Underground: 3.66 million

Buses: 6.3 million
I've been trying to get ridership statistics for London-area commuter rail. Where did you find them? And do they include all commuter rail ridership in the metro area, or just boardings in Greater London proper?
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227,300 on MARTA

From APTA Q3 2012.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2013, 6:49 AM
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Here's Denver's from APTA's
CO 63.6 Denver Regional Trp District 1,510.4 1,737.5 1,732.2 1,540.4 1,659.6 2,025.8 4,980.1 5,225.8 15,612.8 15,554.8 -4.70% 0.37%

Just a side note Denver's RTD will open the West Corridor light rail line April 26 and in 2016 41 miles of commuter rail will go online.
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Philly gets about 105,000 daily trips on its Streetcar system and Portland gets about 11,000 if I recall correctly. New England Cities have decent transit ridership , so those numbers seem high to you but aren't high to me. NJ too , the Density creates high usage on the Transit system , mostly buses for now , but Rail is starting to explode.
Kind of hard to compare Philly and Portland there. I think portland streetcar is only about 9 miles with the numbers of the 11,000 on average ridership while Philly has close to 80-90 miles of trolley track. So Portland is actually quite high for the small length of their street car system. Not to mention Philly is a lot bigger than Portland.
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