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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 1:44 PM
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Um yeah. We get it Mathieu, you fight for your priveleged constituents. You fought well, time to walk away and pick some better battles.
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I feel like there's no point in continuing to fight the shelter. Better to work with the Salvation Army to improve it instead.
The only way to improve it, imo, is to make it smaller. One understands the economics that drive this endeavour, but that doesn't make it right.
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Is Vanier a dumping ground? I think it's self generated squalor. If anything the city has put more effort into improving the situation than they have in most neighbourhoods. If Vanier is to finally gentrify it's going to be up to developers, landlords and residents to make meaningful change. In the mean time the Salvation Army needs more space and it has to go somewhere. Vanier is as good or better a choice as anywhere else central IMHO.
What exactly could developers and residents in Vanier do over-and-above what they've already done? Vanier has improved significantly over the years: the northern part has gentrified substantially already; Eastview Plaza is currently slated for a massive redevelopment; site prep is well-underway for a major development near the corner of Montreal Road and Vanier Parkway; the Vanier BIA works tirelessly to bring area business together and to dispel the (rather unfair and overblown) reputation the area can't seem to shake.

Would you call the current situation in the Byward Market "self-generated squalor?" Why are the residents of Vanier viewed as being uniquely-well-positioned to bear the weight of Ottawa's embarrassing inability to handle its social problems, especially in light of the neighbourhood's hard work and success in slowly stabilizing Vanier over the past 20 years?

There's something insidious about a vulnerable neighbourhood finally beginning to stabilize and look ahead beyond its social problems, only to be deliberately saddled with more social problems for the sake of marginally improving the image of a tourist area. If the current approach "hasn't worked" in its current location, then it isn't going to work in a new location.
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The location is surrounded by half-way houses and other types of rooming houses. Most are in very poor condition. At least a centralized, new space, designed for the purpose will be built. As opposed to, say, a converted garage, an old house, etc.
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The location is surrounded by half-way houses and other types of rooming houses. Most are in very poor condition. At least a centralized, new space, designed for the purpose will be built. As opposed to, say, a converted garage, an old house, etc.
I don’t recall any proposal for converted garages.
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What exactly could developers and residents in Vanier do over-and-above what they've already done? Vanier has improved significantly over the years: the northern part has gentrified substantially already; Eastview Plaza is currently slated for a massive redevelopment; site prep is well-underway for a major development near the corner of Montreal Road and Vanier Parkway; the Vanier BIA works tirelessly to bring area business together and to dispel the (rather unfair and overblown) reputation the area can't seem to shake.

Would you call the current situation in the Byward Market "self-generated squalor?" Why are the residents of Vanier viewed as being uniquely-well-positioned to bear the weight of Ottawa's embarrassing inability to handle its social problems, especially in light of the neighbourhood's hard work and success in slowly stabilizing Vanier over the past 20 years?

There's something insidious about a vulnerable neighbourhood finally beginning to stabilize and look ahead beyond its social problems, only to be deliberately saddled with more social problems for the sake of marginally improving the image of a tourist area. If the current approach "hasn't worked" in its current location, then it isn't going to work in a new location.
Yes. I live in the market and while I might prefer less squalor and traffic we can handle it. We have the density of housing, pedestrians and police which mitigate it somewhat. It will be a heavy blow for blocks around in Vanier as the crime will likely spread for blocks into SFH areas that were on the upswing.
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This design is nicer than like all new developments? Amazing
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Yeah this actually look really great
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Looks like a very well thought out design.
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Site plan for Salvation Army project in Vanier poised to refuel opposition to shelter

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Jan 21, 2022 • 4 hours ago • 4 minute read


The fight over the Salvation Army’s shelter and social services complex planned for Vanier isn’t over as a new planning process kicks off and opponents regroup for another battle.

The Salvation Army needs an approved site plan for the project at 333 Montreal Rd., and while site plans usually involve granular design details related to things like driveways, drainage and landscaping, scrutiny is turning back to the programming inside the complex.

The organization resubmitted its site plan application this week, pushing the project back into the spotlight.

City council created the conditions for consultation when it mandated a “site plan review and programming advisory committee” while approving the necessary official plan and zoning amendments on Nov. 22, 2017. A provincial tribunal upheld council’s decision in June 2020.

Approving a site plan is a matter usually left with the local councillor. Rejecting the site plan would put the application on an agenda of council’s planning committee and Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury confirmed that’s where it’s likely heading.

Fleury said he believes the programming plan for the Salvation Army complex “fits into the intent of council to look at it from a more holistic point of view, and not necessarily the built-form environment.”

The emergency shelter component of the complex is still fuelling opposition.

Marc Provost, executive director of the Salvation Army’s Booth Centre, said the 99-bed emergency shelter component makes up 15 per cent of the entire project and the organization continues to make tweaks to the programming.

The addictions treatment centre has been replaced with 32 studio-style supportive housing units, Provost said, and the number of beds in a transitional housing program has been reduced to 30 spaces from 90 spaces.

“At the end of the day, the whole facility is a continuum of care,” Provost said, calling the organization “housing focused.”

Provost said the need for emergency shelters and transitional housing in Ottawa still exists, especially considering the short supply of housing options. Asked if COVID-19 is causing a re-think about creating new shelters, Provost said the one being designed for the Vanier complex is better than what the organization currently has at the Booth Centre.

“The facility as it is now is really focused on addressing the needs of the people as they are now,” Provost said.

The work of the site plan review and programming advisory committee had a rough start.

Drew Dobson, a member of the advisory committee who leads the community group SOS Vanier, one of the most vocal critics of the project, said the consultations initially appeared to focus on site plan without much consideration of programming.

The committee last met on Jan. 13 as the Salvation Army was preparing its revised site plan application.

Dobson predicted it will be a complicated consultation with several stakeholders providing insights in virtual feedback sessions.

“Everyone recognizes the battle over zoning is over. Now it involves a discussion on what kind of programming is best to end homelessness,” Dobson said. “A lot of this is a fundamental shift on how we deal with homelessness. A cot is not a home.”

Dobson said there will be more pressure on the city to justify funding shelter beds as a modern response to a housing problem.

The political heat has been turned up on the Salvation Army, with local representatives of all three levels of government pushing the organization to rethink the facility’s programming.

Treasury Board President Mona Fortier, who’s the MP for Ottawa-Vanier, joined Ottawa-Vanier Liberal MPP Lucille Collard and Fleury in issuing a statement this week calling out the Salvation Army.

Collard said the community worries that the consultations on the site plan are simply to “check a box.”

According to Collard, she tried to ask questions during a consultation session last fall but, as an observer at the advisory committee meetings, she wasn’t allowed to speak. She said the moment was surprising since she’s elected to be a voice for her community.

“The model of what’s being proposed is not what’s needed to help the vulnerable population that we have in Vanier,” Collard said. “I’ve been hearing that since before I was elected. It’s a major issue here. People want to help the vulnerable, they just don’t trust that model the Salvation Army is putting forward is what we need.”

The provincial government has a big role to play, since it grants funding for these types of projects, Collard said. The province shouldn’t be encouraging shelter models as part of its housing program, she said.

The year could be a bureaucratic nightmare for getting political approvals in a timely fashion. There’s a provincial election is scheduled for June and the municipal election is scheduled for October, which means the legislative agenda at city hall starts winding down at the beginning of summer.

At the Salvation Army, Provost said the organization isn’t hitched to a strict timeline for the consultations.

“We want to move hopefully sooner than later,” Provost said, “but by the same token, it takes the time it takes.”

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From Le Droit. Construction expected to start in 2023. They've launched a website on the project: https://centreofhopeottawa.ca/

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Refuge à Vanier: l'Armée du Salut estime avoir fait ses devoirs



JULIEN PAQUETTE, Le Droit
9 mars 2022


Après plusieurs mois à l’écart des projecteurs, l’Armée du Salut dit avoir fait ses devoirs pour améliorer ses relations avec la communauté de Vanier et rendre son controversé projet de refuge plus acceptable aux yeux des résidents.

«On a fait beaucoup de consultations et on continue d’ailleurs, affirme le directeur général du Centre Booth de l’Armée du Salut, Marc Provost. Ça ne sera jamais vraiment fini, il faut continuer à travailler avec la communauté. On a quand même fait des changements, on a pris en considération les commentaires.»

Grâce aux commentaires et aux suggestions du public, M. Provost soutient que l’Armée du Salut a par exemple ajouté des logements au futur complexe dont la construction doit commencer en 2023.



«Le refuge, c’est seulement 15% de tout ce qu’on offre sur les lieux. On offre quand même beaucoup de services qui cherchent à prévenir que les gens perdent leur logement. […] On offre une panoplie de services qui partent des gens qui sont pris en charge dans la rue pour les aider à accéder à des services, ou encore une famille qui est logée, mais qui a des difficultés, on peut les aider à éviter une perte logement», indique le directeur général du Centre Booth de l’Armée du Salut.



«C’est important parce qu’on sait que les gens n’ont pas nécessairement l’énergie d’aller d’un bout à l’autre de la ville pour accéder aux services. Ça prend trop de temps, ça coûte trop cher et ça demande beaucoup d’efforts à des gens qui sont déjà épuisés par les difficultés qu’ils éprouvent, ajoute Marc Provost. Au bout du compte, si on n’a pas les services nous-mêmes, on connecte les gens avec nos partenaires. On ne veut pas que personne perde son logement.»



Nouveau site web

L’Armée du Salut lançait dans les derniers jours le site web du Centre de l’Espoir Ottawa, un outil de communication pour tenir les citoyens au courant du développement du projet, explique M. Provost.

Ce dernier estime que les relations avec la communauté de Vanier qui s’est opposée bruyamment au projet, allant jusqu’à porter la décision du conseil municipal devant le Tribunal d’appel de l’aménagement local [maintenant le Tribunal ontarien de l’aménagement du territoire].


«On continue de travailler avec eux et d’écouter, assure Marc Provost. Ce qui est bien à travers ce travail d’écoute, c’est qu’on a aussi l’opportunité d’informer les résidents. Dans beaucoup de cas, les gens nous disent qu’ils ne réalisaient pas ce qu’allait être le centre, que le refuge c’est seulement 15% de l’ensemble du projet. Plusieurs avaient une préconception différente de la réalité. Le but du site web aussi, c’est de transmettre les vraies informations pour que la communauté.»
https://www.ledroit.com/2022/03/09/r...53077bf9c0d8c9
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That looks fantastic. I love how this will be the best looking part of Vanier east of the parkway, yet it's the one that nobody wants because it's not for 'the right kind of people'.
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Certainly a nice piece of architecture. Noticed that it's down to 4 floors. Wonder if will be built to allow for vertical expansion.
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Planning committee approves site plan for contentious Salvation Army shelter project in Vanier
"This is a facility that's needed in our city. I think we all wish it wasn't. Maybe someday it won't be. But it is now."

Taylor Blewett, Ottawa Citizen
Jun 03, 2022 • 1 hour ago • 5 minute read




A five-year fight over the Salvation Army’s plan to build a large shelter on Montreal Road continued Friday at a special planning committee meeting.
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The bulk of committee voted to sign off on the site plan for the 211-bed facility, granting the last political approval the Salvation Army needed before it can put shovels in the ground.

They faced considerable pressure not to do so. Vanier community leaders reiterated objections Friday to the development itself and its potential impacts on the area and described recent consultation efforts as disingenuous and unproductive.

“I can assure you at this time that Vanier and its community is not in need of a shelter,” said Michel Gervais, outgoing executive director of the Vanier Community Service Centre. “(It’s) healthy, clean, permanent affordable housing that are urgently required for this community and all throughout Ottawa.”
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However, what was up for debate Friday was not whether a shelter should be permitted at the site. That battle has already been decided, and the site plan control process, staff and planning committee leadership pointed out, is supposed to address development elements such as landscaping, building location and parking layout.

“We’re not dealing with zoning today, we are not dealing with programming today, and we’re also focused on the exterior of the building, rather than the interior of the building,” co-chair Glen Gower reminded his colleagues.

Council granted the Salvation Army the zoning and official plan amendments it needed for its vision for 333 Montreal Rd. more than four years ago, and those were upheld in 2020 by the provincial tribunal that hears land-use planning appeals.
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Staff recommended approving the site plan and described the proposal in a report to committee as “well-designed in consultation with staff” and with “safety and security in mind.”

A presentation by the Salvation Army’s project team outlined the ways its plan for the low-rise, H-shaped complex had evolved, including replacement of an addictions program with supportive-housing units and reductions to building height and footprint. The design principles shaping the development took lessons from “the evident shortcomings” of the Salvation Army’s existing George Street shelter, they noted.

According to Ottawa Inner City Health executive director Wendy Muckle, the lone public delegate to endorse the site plan, local shelter clients and staff have consistently reacted in a very positive way to the blueprints for its design. A regular observation, she said, was that it didn’t look like an institution and instead more closely resembled a fancy apartment building or college campus.
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“Of all the voices that you’re going to listen to today … the voices of the people who actually need to access and use the facility should perhaps be the most important,” Muckle said.

She noted her organization intended to provide services at a “special care unit” planned for the site and had significant say in its design, as had the homeless clients they served.

It was an exception to the disregard that a number of the community organizations and service providers to address committee reported feeling met with in attempts to engage on the project. They shared particular frustration about their experience with a council-created advisory committee on the site plan and future programming, which involved staff and the Salvation Army team.
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Marc Maracle, executive director of Gignul Non-Profit Housing Corporation and representative of the Ottawa Aboriginal Coalition, described the committee process as “profoundly disillusioning” and said it was “tactically and strategically focused on the site plan review, and any conversation about programming has been avoided, to a fault.”

Maracle predicted the project would have a disproportionate impact on the area’s sizeable Indigenous population and said the Salvation Army had yet to provide an adequate response to this impact, particularly when it came to the safety of Indigenous women, girls, seniors and children.

Future clients consuming drugs and alcohol in the surrounding community, in the absence of a space to do so onsite, was a concern for the Vanier Community Association’s Lauren Touchant. Council’s housing and homelessness liaison, Coun. Catherine McKenney, objected to the swap-in of supportive-housing units onsite. “Nobody should live within a shelter or attached to a shelter,” McKenney said.
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Gervais spoke to concerns about duplication of services already available locally and the potential for this to impact government funding to existing community service providers.

They want to work with the Salvation Army, Quartier Vanier Business Improvement Area executive director Nathalie Carrier said, and their community does need services.

“But the services they’re suggesting and what is actually needed is different, and they refuse to hear that; so that is where the animosity comes from.”

ND Management’s Marco Manconi told committee the Salvation Army is “100 per cent, absolutely committed to detailed engagement with all of the stakeholders that you’ve heard today, and others,” and acknowledged that “we absolutely haven’t been perfect, by no stretch, but we’ve been making attempts based on getting to this site plan approval process.”
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There’s a desire to eventually transition all beds in the complex to supportive housing, Salvation Army’s Glenn van Gulik told committee. The other residential uses currently planned for the facility — 99 emergency shelter beds, plus transitional independent living and a special care medical unit — account for most of its bed count.

“This is a facility that’s needed in our city. I think we all wish it wasn’t. Maybe someday it won’t be. But it is now,” Gower said in his closing remarks to committee colleagues.

Nine of 11 planning committee members voted in favour of site plan approval. Coun. Shawn Menard voted against it and Coun. Tim Tierney was absent.

Area councillor Mathieu Fleury, a longtime opponent of the Salvation Army proposal, secured planning committee and staff support for a number of additional site plan conditions, such as a segregated sidewalk at the front of the property, securing several access points to the site and directions on the use of security cameras.

At the meeting’s conclusion, Fleury vowed to continue fighting against the project. He pointed out that Ottawa-Vanier MP and cabinet minster Mona Fortier and newly re-elected MPP Lucille Collard were both opposed to it and provincial and federal funding were expected to be sought for the project.

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So would they sell George Street for development ? I guess there are two shelters there or is it one complex?

I noticed the police presence has retreated and it is an open air drug market there.
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So would they sell George Street for development ? I guess there are two shelters there or is it one complex?

I noticed the police presence has retreated and it is an open air drug market there.
Iirc, plans to dispose of George St fell away when the size and functions of the Vanier facility were reduced during consultations.
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