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Originally Posted by iheartthed
Yeah, that gap came from black voters not participating at all. In the city of Detroit alone, 40k fewer black voters participated in 2016 than 2012.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here... you're saying that group would have voted for Trump over Bernie in 2016...?
And right those types of gaps resulting from a decreased black, urban vote happened all over the place. Having little if nothing to do with Hillary or Bernie, but rather the fact that they were not a very impressive black guy named Barack Obama.
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Originally Posted by eschaton
Bernie was more popular in 2016 than 2020, if you look at national approval ratings. I think his campaign learned the wrong lessons from their 2016 loss, and decided to move away from the "class only" focus, which worked somewhat to their detriment.
Basically, I am sure that Bernie would have won in 2016, but 2020 was so close (if you look at margins in AZ, GA, and WI) I can't be as certain.
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Right, I'm not talking about 2020. As far as I'm concerned, any progress for the traditional Democratic party was blown apart by Trumpism in 2016 and over the last 4 years, and it's never coming back. And the blame for that can squarely be placed on the shoulders of the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign.