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GaylordWilshire Dec 31, 2011 2:42 PM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...eagelrock1.jpgLos Angeles Times 11-25-1925

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-M...verdescauc.jpgLos Angeles Times 1-22-1922

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p...2520AM.bmp.jpgLos Angeles Times 8-17-1940


And the beginning of the end, at least officially. The U.S. Supreme Court would outlaw race covenants in 1948. (Btw, the L.A. Bar Association was still allowing only caucasians to join as late as 1947.)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z...2520AM.bmp.jpgLos Angeles Times 12-6-1945


And there are hundreds and hundreds of other examples....

3940dxer Dec 31, 2011 4:42 PM

I'm not sure how you found them, but thank you for posting these pieces. (How did you find these articles, which ran as "straight" non-controversial real estate stories at the time, and don't seem to contain any obvious keywords?)

I knew that "restrictions" and segregation were part the fabric of L.A. society back then, but it's a different thing to read those guiltless and overt period articles.

Coincidentally, I have been listening to Randy Newman's Good Old Boys album lately, which bluntly addresses some of these issues. In particular, the opening song Rednecks is an in your face reminder that anyone who thinks that institutionalized racism was a "Southern problem" needs to open their eyes some.

OK, rant over, thanks again GW, and happy new year, everyone!

ethereal_reality Dec 31, 2011 6:43 PM

In this map of Los Angeles County created by George W. Kirkland you can spot a N*gger Slough in the San Pedro/Long Beach area.


http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/4...borv2nigge.jpg
http://digital.lapl.org/ItemDetails.aspx?id=6407&pp=1

There are other interesting names in this map. It looks as if Terminal Island used to be Rattlesnake Island
(and a Dead Man's Island is thrown in for good measure).



below: Here is this extremely interesting map in it's entirety.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8...borv2fullm.jpg
http://digital.lapl.org/ItemDetails.aspx?id=6407&pp=1







below: In this 1938 map of Los Angeles Harbor and vicinity the name is retained for the Gardena Valley & N*gger Slough Drainage Channel.



http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/151...borvicinty.jpg
http://digital.lapl.org/ItemDetails.aspx?id=6425&pp=1






below: Here is the 1938 map in it's entirety (scroll right to see the drainage ditch).


http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1...borvicinty.jpg
http://digital.lapl.org/ItemDetails.aspx?id=6425&pp=1

ethereal_reality Dec 31, 2011 7:32 PM

...and of course 'Calle de los Negos' (aka N*gger Alley) has been covered many times in this thread.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9...iggeralley.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...mplesearch.htm




below: Links to the older posts. It was fun reading them again.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1379


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2519


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2528


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2540


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2556


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2612

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3940dxer Dec 31, 2011 7:39 PM

All excellent and interesting stuff, and that gigantic old map is really great. Thanks, e_r.

The Twilight Zone marathon is on today. Most of it was filmed on sound stages, studio lots, and out of town but I wonder if there are any Noirish L.A. scenes in any of the old B&W episodes?

ethereal_reality Dec 31, 2011 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 5531118)


I LOVED your screen grab post FredH! Excellent job
If I remember correctly, the old Beaudry House was located behind the Brunswig Drug Company Bldg.
It was arguably our best 'discovery' on this thread.

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ethereal_reality Dec 31, 2011 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 5533536)
The Twilight Zone marathon is on today. Most of it was filmed on sound stages and out of town but I wonder if there are any Noirish L.A. scenes in any of the old B&W episodes?


We think alike 3940. :)
Even when the action leaves the sound stage, the back lot is used instead of actual locations which is extremely disappointing
to us old L.A. fans.

I know of an episode of The Outer Limits that takes place entirely in the Bradbury Building. There is even a brief scene in the basement. I tried to take some screen grabs but they didn't turn out very well. I'll see if I can dig them up.

Enjoy the marathon!

RudyJK Dec 31, 2011 9:49 PM

Cold War LA - The LA96 NIKE Missile Site
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyJK (Post 5498170)

Once, with friends, we drove west on Mulholland and ended up on an unpaved stretch that had WWII missile lookout platforms up in the hills. We hiked up to great views of the Valley and Pacific. Where were we?

I finally had time to go back and find the spot that I was talking about; it is the LA96 Nike Missile Site.

http://blogging.la/2008/06/23/favori...-control-site/

There is a spectacular view from the top.

Los Angeles Past Dec 31, 2011 10:05 PM

Wow. The political correctness police are out in force here.

I find it very disconcerting that you feel it necessary to intentionally expunge subject-relevant key words from an historical document (this thread).

This is called "censoring history," and I find THAT to be even more offensive than the language you're trying to sweep under the carpet.

Wail and wring your hands all you want about social evils in your personal discourse, but when it comes to history and its documentation, kindly keep your politically-correct revisionism stuffed neatly up your collective "Calles de los Negros."

-Scott

ethereal_reality Dec 31, 2011 10:17 PM

:previous: Such vitriol simply because I typed n*gger instead of nigger?
You rarely visit the thread anymore Scott, and when you do this is all you've got?

We were having a civil discourse on the subject so kindly go away.

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GaylordWilshire Dec 31, 2011 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 5533661)
This is called "censoring history," and I find THAT to be even more offensive than the language you're trying to sweep under the carpet.

Wail and wring your hands all you want about social evils in your personal discourse, but when it comes to history and its documentation, kindly keep your politically-correct revisionism stuffed neatly up your collective "Calles de los Negros."-Scott

This is a ridiculous charge, to say the least, and, one might suspect, a knee-jerk reaction coming more from a position of personal disenfranchisement than from any reverence for history. Censorship? When a person chooses not to spell a word to your liking in sentences of his own but at the same time posts uncensored vintage maps? You might have at least taken the time to look at those.

Albany NY Dec 31, 2011 10:57 PM

There's one in every crowd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 5533661)
Wow. The political correctness police are out in force here.

I find it very disconcerting that you feel it necessary to intentionally expunge subject-relevant key words from an historical document (this thread).

This is called "censoring history," and I find THAT to be even more offensive than the language you're trying to sweep under the carpet.

Wail and wring your hands all you want about social evils in your personal discourse, but when it comes to history and its documentation, kindly keep your politically-correct revisionism stuffed neatly up your collective "Calles de los Negros."

-Scott

I think Scott needs to realize that in polite society there is no need to use volatile hate-filled words in order to acknowledge that they were once commonly used. Yes, Scott, in the history of Los Angeles the word "nigger" was used, but even then it was used as a put-down, rather than using the era-correct "negro" or "colored". Obviously, you feel comfortable using that word. Most of us don't like it. I leave my white sheets on my bed. You said we could "stuff it." Why don't you go for a walk in your neighborhood repeating that word for all to hear? If you do, I think others will "stuff it" to you. There are some truly good people on this forum. Frankly, you are not one of them.

citywatch Dec 31, 2011 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5531892)
This image reminded me of Billie Burke... who once lived at 607 N. Elm Drive in Beverly Hills (Robert Young succeeded her there):

Receiving her first social security check, 1958:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520PM.bmp.jpgUSCDL

for those who can't identify the actress you mention, she's best known for playing this part in a rather famous movie....

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos2...2235799906.jpg
findagrave.com


Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5532850)
So, malumot... I take it that by using that term you might be open to the possibility that at some point L.A. may go off the schine.... I moved to NYC in the '70s, and no one would have ever thought that the city, at the very bottom of a losing streak (but still an incredibly exciting and enriching place to live), would turn into the pulled-together place it is today. Arguably, it's a duller town, but there's no going back to any romanticized era--not '70s NYC, not "golden age" L.A.....

as we enter a new yr, & look at all the yrs gone by, it's easy to feel nostalgic for ppl & places of the past. but as much as I enjoy looking at pics of LA from a long time ago, I'm also reminded how flawed that past really was.

there was a time when where you live now, NYC, looked at anything west of the hudson as the hinterlands....& LA, to those living east of the mississippi or certain other cities closer to the west coast, inc SF, was written off as remote & a cultural outpost. from that standpoint, I lose nostalgia for the past.

I generally post only to the SSP thread on new devlpt in DTLA, but I like looking at this thread to help remind me that LA of a long time ago, while it had some good things, also was disappointing in various ways & could really test the patience of ppl interested in living in a top flight city.

all in all, in spite of bad things about today----including too much squalor, homeless ppl, tagging, & crime----I'd rather live now, or soon to be 2012, than in the 1900s, 1930s, 40s, 50s.... OTOH, ppl in NYC can feel more fondness for their past, since the city they call home was considered a capital & very important or "exciting" even over 50, 70, 100 yrs ago.

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 12:36 AM

Every New Years Eve I post the very first photograph of the thread again for good luck. The photo was taken 60 years ago
on December 31, 1951.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4...cember3119.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...M-N-9439-014~1


HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE!! BEST OF LUCK IN 2012! -ethereal_reality
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ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 1:01 AM

I couldn't resist.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6...yearsparty.jpg
Sunset Boulevard (1950)

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 1:07 AM

Downtown Los Angeles Dec. 31, 1940. Look at that yahoo in the middle.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8...ar1940ucla.jpg
http://unitproj.library.ucla.edu/dli...one&z=none&s=1

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 1:35 AM

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8...earsvenice.png
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/1960/

sopas ej Jan 1, 2012 1:56 AM

:previous:
Great ad! Myself, tonight I'll be taking advantage of the Metro Rail trains, which are free from 9pm to 2am and will run all night and into the morning. Downtown LA, here I come, ready to get shit-faced! :P No designated driver required.

Happy New Year to all of you! :)

Los Angeles Past Jan 1, 2012 8:18 AM

I'm sorry I lost my temper, but once you start "sanitizing" history, it ceases to be truthful. Censoring individual words may seem trivial to you, but what if an academic is researching the usage of pejorative racial terms in L.A. history? Your censored articles won't show up in web searches. How, exactly, is that a good thing?

The reason I stopped contributing is because there are a ton of people here who are vastly more knowledgeable about L.A. history than I am, and I now prefer to simply sit back, listen and learn. I'm sorry I actually dared to speak up with a dissenting opinion. I know my words were unnecessarily harsh, but so were yours, Bruce. You may have started this thread, but it doesn't give you the right to bully someone off of it just because they disagree with you.

BTW, that was a great map, Duncan. Thank you for posting it. I've spent all night studying it, and I'm sure it will come in as a very handy reference in the future. Thanks, also, for your civil reply to my uncivil rant. I had it coming, I know. I'll just be quiet now. I won't disturb your peace anymore.

Again, I apologize.

-Scott

GaylordWilshire Jan 1, 2012 1:59 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E...2520AM.bmp.jpgAmerican Journal of Public Health
I've never seen this great shot of the iconic L.A. County General under construction.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k...2520AM.bmp.jpgUSCDL

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...2520AM.bmp.jpgUSCDL

Views of the psychopathic department, Los Angeles County General Hospital. Does anyone
know where in relation to the main building this might have been? I assume it's gone....

GaylordWilshire Jan 1, 2012 2:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5533774)


"Judas H. Priest, who'd you borrow that from? Adolphe Menjou?"

3940dxer Jan 1, 2012 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 5533910)
I'm sorry I lost my temper, but once you start "sanitizing" history, it ceases to be truthful. Censoring individual words may seem trivial to you, but what if an academic is researching the usage of pejorative racial terms in L.A. history? Your censored articles won't show up in web searches. How, exactly, is that a good thing?

The reason I stopped contributing is because there are a ton of people here who are vastly more knowledgeable about L.A. history than I am, and I now prefer to simply sit back, listen and learn. I'm sorry I actually dared to speak up with a dissenting opinion. I know my words were unnecessarily harsh, but so were yours, Bruce. You may have started this thread, but it doesn't give you the right to bully someone off of it just because they disagree with you. ...Again, I apologize.
-Scott

When I saw your original post I wasn't sure if it was directed to me (for first broaching the issue with the map with the N. Hill reference), or GW, or e_r, or all us. Perhaps it doesn't matter but for my part, apology accepted.

I don't think anyone objected to your dissenting opinion - only the startling vitriol with which it was expressed. One reason I love this thread is that when controversial issues have arisen, the participants have always remained polite. It's about the only place on the internet where I have seen that and courtesy factor means almost as much to me as the awesome content here. It lets me enter tricky ground like this and the Barney's Beanery topic without having to worry about "blowing up" the thread.

I gave your comments a lot of thought. (Partly because I'm recovering from a little medical procedure this week, and being unable to celebrate New Years with wife and friends, was housebound last night!) e_r and others responded to your comments quickly and I saw no point in piling on, but now that we've gotten polite again, I would like to reply.

First, have to say that I despise the term "politically correct", especially in this context. My avoidance of the "N word" had nothing to do with politics or societal pressure. It was about my personal choice and boundaries. I wouldn't object if you use here it in an academic context...but I won't.

About the time I posted the map here I emailed it to my mom. I did use the "N" word in the subject box when I wrote her, because I knew that she'd understand the context and where I was coming from. But using it verbatim in a public place is different to me.

By avoiding or obscuring the N word, I guess I was nonverbally saying two things. First, that I hate the word and wouldn't it unless referring to something historical among close friends. (Actually, I don't think I've ever used it in public...so why start here?)

Secondly, I think that repeating the word verbatim gives it a little more currency. Do you remember Lenny Bruce's famous rap about this? In essence he said, (and I'm paraphrasing, obscuring the words), if President Kennedy got on television and said it over and over, and used the word with every black man he saw, the word would lose its power, and you could never again make a black child cry when he came home from school. Well, Lenny Bruce was a great and brilliant comic, but I disagree. The historical facts can't be undone by repeating the word, and I don't think anyone really wants to hear it.

You did make a good point with your comment "What if an academic is researching the usage of pejorative racial terms in L.A. history? Your censored articles won't show up in web searches".That is true (or would have been true, except that the word appeared in e_r's reply). I can only respond that 1; there is a lot of other important history here that's not recorded in text and thus not searchable and 2; at least some skinhead moron won't find the map I posted and stick a print on his wall.

I guess I've said enough. You're welcome to reply, but I think I'll end here. Thanks again for the thoughtful follow up. Happy new years to you Scott, and everyone else here. This just might be the best place on the internet, ever.

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 6:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 5533910)
I know my words were unnecessarily harsh, but so were yours, Bruce. You may have started this thread, but it doesn't give you the right to bully someone off of it just because they disagree with you.
-Scott

Believe it or not Scott, I actually agree with what you said about revisionists...so your accusation that I was bullying you
off the thread is absolutely ridiculous.
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Can we please dispense with all this negativity and get back to the thread. Los Angeles deserves better.

rbpjr Jan 1, 2012 6:32 PM

[QUOTE=GaylordWilshire;5533943]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E...2520AM.bmp.jpgAmerican Journal of Public Health
I've never seen this great shot of the iconic L.A. County General under construction.

I was born in LA County General on November 2, 1934...just about a year after it's official opening in December of 1933...any idea of what they are using it for these days...after the opening of the "new" hospital a few years ago?

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 6:48 PM

The title of that Outer Limits episode I mentioned earlier in the thread is.....

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2460/ol1p.jpg
united artists television/original air date was October 17, 1964.


http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6539/dsc0321lk.jpg
united artists television




below: A screen-grab showing the basement of the Bradbury Building. Sorry for the poor quality.

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1091/dsc0272pc.jpg
united artists television


below: The basement stairs leading up to the atrium.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6630/olupt.jpg
united artists television



below: Wonderful grillwork on the atrium elevator.

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4772/dsc0313p.jpg
united artists television


below: Robert Culp takes a flying leap.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3431/dsc0316jo.jpg
united artists television



Below: A view of the atrium floor from above (almost abstract drenched in so much shadow).
Actually, the whole episode is extremely dark and dank.....there are even puddles in the basement.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2189/dsc0276r.jpg
united artists television



below: Running for their lives.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2764/dsc0280vx.jpg
united artists television

....more to come.

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 7:26 PM

Demon with a Glass Hand continued...


A couple more shots of the atrium elevator.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3006/dsc0311h.jpg
united artists television


http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3967/dsc0310ki.jpg
united artists television


below: Run, Bob, Run.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7158/dsc0283ww.jpg
united artists television


below: cruising?

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6223/dsc0288jf.jpg
united artists television





below: This one is very interesting. A view out a window to the street below.
This definitely looks like a real street/sidewalk (as opposed to a backlot), but I don't think The Bradbury Building ever had a lit marquee.
Perhaps another building was used, like the Million Dollar Theater directly across the street.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/8256/dsc0292mg.jpg
united artists television


below: Space alien from the planet Raccoon.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6905/dsc0302i.jpg
united artists television



below: Contemplating the glass demon-hand.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1083/dsc0284aa.jpg
united artists television



below: A tenant's door in the Bradbury Building.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4563/dsc0324pz.jpg
united artists television


below: The next two screen-grabs show a tacky counter in the atrium lobby. I would have removed these for the shoot.

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/947/dsc0317zi.jpg
united artists television


http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7040/dsc0318o.jpg
united artists television


below: The aliens in what looks like a space-age textile mill (it isn't....it's a portal of some sort)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3334/dsc0306z.jpg
united artists television


below: The female lead exits the building (and goes to her guest starring role on Bonanza)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1898/dsc0325wph.jpg

THE END

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 7:48 PM

You can view the entire 'Demon with a Glass Hand' episode on youtube (in 6 parts).

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/2267/aayoutube.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImaly19Yps

I guess I could have told you this before you suffered through all my screen-grabs. ;)

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Handsome Stranger Jan 1, 2012 8:49 PM

ethereal_reality, the Kirkland map is really fascinating! Thanks for sharing it.

I'm also a big fan of the original Twilight Zone and Outer Limits series, especially the latter. Visiting the Bradbury Building for the first time was a thrill for me largely because I knew it so well from having seen that episode of the Outer Limits so many times.

Here's a frame grab of another location used on The Outer Limits, from an episode called "Cold Hands, Warm Heart." The black building on the right was then (1964) part of the campus of TRW, one of several major aerospace companies in the South Bay area. Those buildings still exist at Aviation Blvd. and Marine Ave. in Redondo Beach, but they're now owned by Northrop Grumman.

I grew up just a few blocks away from here. The rounded building in the background housed the pool at Aviation High School, just to the south of the TRW campus. The school is gone now (demolished in the early 80s in an incredibly short-sighted move by the idiots in charge at the time) but the building that housed the pool remains.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...s759/OL-RB.jpg
[source: MGM/UA]

cleats Jan 1, 2012 9:02 PM

Teed House
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/3288682...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3288682...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3288682...n/photostream/

From Bunker Hill Rick M...sorry about late posting...holiday hibernation to blame

GaylordWilshire Jan 1, 2012 9:56 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...2520PM.bmp.jpgcleatscrea's photstream

Excellent, cleats-- as much as I like a voluptuously vegetated old house in terms of atmosphere, it is great to see this one "unvegetated"--and they even removed the metal fence. Now that's something you don't see very often... a fence being removed from the front yard of an old L.A. house....

GaylordWilshire Jan 1, 2012 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5534083)
below: This one is very interesting. A view out a window to the street below.
This definitely looks like a real street/sidewalk (as opposed to a backlot), but I don't think The Bradbury Building ever had a lit marquee.
Perhaps another building was used, like the Million Dollar Theater directly across the street.
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/8256/dsc0292mg.jpg
united artists television

Well, if it's a downtown movie theater, maybe it was the Broadway, just down the street at 428:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015242.jpgLAPL
The building is still there, but the marquee is gone.

...or maybe it was the Rialto, farther down Broadway at 812 (still there, including marquee)...

http://www.allyquest.com/images/gall...ct/5579004.jpgAlley Quest

Anyway, these are the only squared-off downtown theater marquees I could find....

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2012 11:56 PM

:previous: Those are some pretty good possibilities G_W. Leave it to you to notice that the squared-off marquee was rather unique.
I notice there is brickwork under the marquee in the Outer Limits pic, so I took google street view down Broadway to try and see if either of these addresses still had this brickwork. I didn't see any.

Maybe the window scene wasn't filmed downtown at all. Perhaps it was filmed at a theater in close proximity to United Artists.
This is obviously a shot in the dark...but it's fun to go exploring the possibility. :)

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rbpjr Jan 2, 2012 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5534182)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...2520PM.bmp.jpgcleatscrea's photstream

Excellent, cleats-- as much as I like a voluptuously vegetated old house in terms of atmosphere, it is great to see this one "unvegetated"--and they even removed the metal fence. Now that's something you don't see very often... a fence being removed from the front yard of an old L.A. house....

...and no bars on the doors or windows...(like next door)...

3940dxer Jan 2, 2012 1:27 AM

Russian Renaissance Restaurant
 
http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Russian_Rest2.jpg

From an old Hollywood Chamber Of Commerce map (personal collection.)

At Sunset and Ogden, where there's a Bank Of America now. Couldn't find a period photo of the place, but looks like a fun night out, doesn't it? The San Francisco branch is still open and seems to get good reviews. Will have to put it on my list. ;)

Thirty-two colorful dishes!

Policy Wonk Jan 2, 2012 2:46 AM

I have in my possession by virtue of having owned a scanner when most people didn't a travel journal kept by a deceased advertising executive when he visited Hollywood in the summer of 1954 at the age of twenty-two as a well heeled and well connected art student.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8427/aug111954.jpg

Would this be an appropriate place to share it?

FredH Jan 2, 2012 4:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RudyJK (Post 5533654)
I finally had time to go back and find the spot that I was talking about; it is the LA96 Nike Missile Site.

http://blogging.la/2008/06/23/favori...-control-site/

There is a spectacular view from the top.

Rudy JK:

Here is another article I found about the missile sites:

http://www.laalmanac.com/history/hi08.htm

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2012 4:42 AM

Four photogravure prints found on ebay.


http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9...etailebay2.jpg




below: I believe this is the P. Max Kuehnrich residence at 19 Chester Place.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/616...ceebay2012.jpg



http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6...etebay2012.jpg





below: The Plaza Church with Los Angeles High School's clock tower in the distance.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6...03ebay2012.jpg



http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8...highschool.jpg
ebay

Handsome Stranger Jan 2, 2012 5:45 AM

Here's a clearer look at the marquee from "Demon With a Glass Hand," taken from the DVD release. Looks to me like the visible letters in the sign are "...TERION."

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...68/demon-1.jpg
[source: MGM Home Video]

While I'm at it, I thought I'd add another couple of frame grabs. This is a closeup of the building directory on the ground floor; I assume these are the actual businesses that occupied the Bradbury Building in 1964.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j...68/demon-2.jpg
[source: MGM Home Video]

Finally, a creepy and beautifully noirish shot looking up through the atrium.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...68/demon-3.jpg

Director Byron Haskin commented:
"Out at the Bradbury, we had to wait until it was dark and we were sleepy before we could shoot. We had to eat at a nearby beanery, and the gastric problems developed by the whole crew caused quite a stench during the longer setups. One night we surprised a pair of thieves who were burglarizing an office there — I guess they didn't foresee a camera crew showing up."

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2012 7:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 5534455)
Here's a clearer look at the marquee from "Demon With a Glass Hand," taken from the DVD release. Looks to me like the visible letters in the sign are "...TERION."

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...68/demon-1.jpg
[source: MGM Home Video]

Impressive images Handsome_Stranger!
You mentioned "TERION" so I immediately thought "Criterion", a somewhat common name for cinemas.





After a little research I found out the 1,856 seat Kinema Theater at 642 S. Grand was renamed Criterion (and later the Fox Criterion).

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5...heaterlapl.jpg
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1967




below: Kinema at Grand Ave. and 7th Street.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7216/olkinemachaplin.jpg
los angeles times




below: The Kinema Theater, now the Criterion is visible in this aerial (at the bottom of the photo).
The word Criterion is written on the roof and there is an advertisement for a Lon Chaney film.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8...iterionusc.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1325488524771



below: The Kinema as the Fox Criterion.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/703...nemal2lapl.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...rolNumber=3962

So was this the theater used for that window shot from the Outer Limits? I have no idea.

____

Mark L Jan 2, 2012 7:57 AM

1947 LA Plat Book
 
Hi,
I have this very large 1947 Los Angeles Plat Book (pre-freeways). Hundreds of pages. It was purchased at an antique store as a present for me several years ago. Where would these have been used, court house, realtors, planning commissions?
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat1.jpg
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat2.jpg
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat3.jpg
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat4.jpg

photos by poster

GaylordWilshire Jan 2, 2012 9:06 AM

Eureka
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5534508)
Impressive images Handsome_Stranger!
You mentioned "TERION" so I immediately thought "Criterion", a somewhat common name for cinemas.

Well, e_r... you're right about "Criterion" being a common name. But I think what we've been looking for is the Fox Criterion, 1315 3rd St, Santa Monica.... (Good eyes, Handsome. I hadn't noticed the "...TERION"....)


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics18/00028799.jpgLAPL


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics18/00028801.jpgLAPL


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View

The building is the same, though this appears to be a newer marquee--nice that it's inspired by the old one. I couldn't get a decent street view of the ends; the blade sign differs from the old.

FredH Jan 2, 2012 8:03 PM

Oh! What Noirish Lives We Lead
 
Jean Wallace:

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8855/bigcombo.jpg
The Big Combo (1955), Allied Artists Pictures


For a little background, first take a look a Fab Fifties Fan's great post on Barbara Payton from a couple of months ago:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=5112



We are also familiar with gangster Mickey Cohen and his bodyguard (and buddy) Johnny Stompanato from several previous posts:

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5...6ab9wwa69z.jpg
www.allstarpics.com


Jean Wallace was right in the middle of all this noirish craziness. In 1941, she marries actor Franchot Tone at age 18.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/87/tonec.jpg
Mutiny On The Bounty Trailer (1935)

After two kids together, she attempts suicide in May, 1946 by swallowing some pills. A couple of months later Wallace and Tone have separated. They divorce in 1948. At the divorce proceedings, it comes out that Wallace has been carrying on with Johnny Stompanato. Stompanato, as we know, ends up being stabbed to death by Lana Turner's daughter in 1958.

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3792/lana4.jpg
www.blondeepisodes.com


Wallace spends 1949 by stabbing herself with a butcher knife and being arrested on a DWI, wearing only a coat, panties, and slippers.

In 1950, Tone gets custody of the two kids and starts running around with Barbara Payton:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/826/shesbad.jpg
www.mattsko.wordpress.com

In the next two years, Jean Wallace marries actor Cornel Wilde and Tone goes on to run afoul of Payton's other boyfriend, Tom Neal:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8476/imagescapnrkhu.jpg
www.people.famouswhy.com


Wallace and Wilde make The Big Combo in 1955. They hang on together until their bitter divorce in 1980. She dies at age 66 in 1990.


Oh, and what about our buddy, Mickey Cohen. He went on to be convicted twice of tax evasion and spent years in prison. He died in his sleep in 1976.

Out on bail in 1962, poor Mickey has lost his bullet-proof Cadillac and house in Brentwood. Here he is at his rented house in the Valley, with his new ride.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3...620104pete.jpg
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...key-cohen.html

3940dxer Jan 2, 2012 8:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Policy Wonk (Post 5534320)
I have in my possession by virtue of having owned a scanner when most people didn't a travel journal kept by a deceased advertising executive when he visited Hollywood in the summer of 1954 at the age of twenty-two as a well heeled and well connected art student.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8427/aug111954.jpg

Would this be an appropriate place to share it?

I'm interested in Marilyn stuff and would be interested in reading it, and I don't think anyone here would object. Thanks for the offer.

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2012 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark L (Post 5534512)
Hi,
I have this very large 1947 Los Angeles Plat Book (pre-freeways).
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat1.jpg

Wow. That was some gift...you're a lucky man Mark L. It would be great to see some high quality scans.
____

To answer your earlier question:

In order for plats to become legally valid, a local governing body, such as a public works department, urban planning commission,
or zoning board must normally review and approve them. Hence the book.
____

3940dxer Jan 2, 2012 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark L (Post 5534512)
Hi,
I have this very large 1947 Los Angeles Plat Book (pre-freeways). Hundreds of pages. It was purchased at an antique store as a present for me several years ago. Where would these have been used, court house, realtors, planning commissions?

As you probably gathered, plats show city divisions, subdivisions, streets, blocks, lot numbers, easements, etc. I think they are normally kept in locality's hall of records or zoning department.

There's a great scene in Chinatown where Jack Nicholson's Jake Gittes character goes to L.A.'s Hall Of Records to investigate suspicious real estate transactions in the San Fernando Valley. After finding the right plat book, with little help from the weaselly clerk, he rips a page from the book and pockets it while loudly coughing to cover up the sound.

GaylordWilshire Jan 2, 2012 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark L (Post 5534512)
Hi,
I have this very large 1947 Los Angeles Plat Book (pre-freeways). Hundreds of pages. It was purchased at an antique store as a present for me several years ago. Where would these have been used, court house, realtors, planning commissions?
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat1.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...2520PM.bmp.jpg

That's a real treasure Mark. Such a book might have been found in the Hall of Records. The one above might be missing a page....

I'd love to see your book.... I'm afraid of the mean, pimply clerk who oversees the one at the Hall of Records...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z...2520PM.bmp.jpg

...so maybe you'll show us some pages here.

(P.S.-- DO NOT ask the clerk for a ruler....)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U...2520PM.bmp.jpg

All from Paramount Pictures

GaylordWilshire Jan 2, 2012 11:03 PM

:previous:

3940: great minds!

Mark L Jan 3, 2012 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5534949)
Wow. That was some gift...you're a lucky man Mark L. It would be great to see some high quality scans.
____

To answer your earlier question:

In order for plats to become legally valid, a local governing body, such as a public works department, urban planning commission,
or zoning board must normally review and approve them. Hence the book.
____

Yes, lucky. I also have the San Fernando Valley book from '47 but it looks years newer.
How would one go about getting high quality scans? My iphone (obviously) doesn't cut it.

GaylordWilshire Jan 3, 2012 1:07 AM

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...55398555_n.jpgMark Heimback-Nielsen/Vintage Los Angeles

I don't remember ever seeing this building when Capitol Records was in residence, before the "stack of
records" a few blocks north. It was also Wallich's Music City...which we've seen here before, I think, but
I couldn't find it.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...2520PM.bmp.jpgRadio City Hollywood

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u...2520PM.bmp.jpghollywoodphotographs.com (in case you couldn't tell)
I'm assuming it's the same building, since it's the same height; I might
have been upset when the remodeling took place, but now it looks like
architectural nirvana compared to what's there today (not worth posting
a pic of it--standard issue post-Postmodern L.A. filler). (Will we ever
feel nostalgic about the sameness of the past 20 years?)

ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2012 1:13 AM

:previous: Interesting post G_W.


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9902/pcroses1937.jpg
ebay


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