https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...eagelrock1.jpgLos Angeles Times 11-25-1925
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-M...verdescauc.jpgLos Angeles Times 1-22-1922 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p...2520AM.bmp.jpgLos Angeles Times 8-17-1940 And the beginning of the end, at least officially. The U.S. Supreme Court would outlaw race covenants in 1948. (Btw, the L.A. Bar Association was still allowing only caucasians to join as late as 1947.) https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z...2520AM.bmp.jpgLos Angeles Times 12-6-1945 And there are hundreds and hundreds of other examples.... |
I'm not sure how you found them, but thank you for posting these pieces. (How did you find these articles, which ran as "straight" non-controversial real estate stories at the time, and don't seem to contain any obvious keywords?)
I knew that "restrictions" and segregation were part the fabric of L.A. society back then, but it's a different thing to read those guiltless and overt period articles. Coincidentally, I have been listening to Randy Newman's Good Old Boys album lately, which bluntly addresses some of these issues. In particular, the opening song Rednecks is an in your face reminder that anyone who thinks that institutionalized racism was a "Southern problem" needs to open their eyes some. OK, rant over, thanks again GW, and happy new year, everyone! |
In this map of Los Angeles County created by George W. Kirkland you can spot a N*gger Slough in the San Pedro/Long Beach area.
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/4...borv2nigge.jpg http://digital.lapl.org/ItemDetails.aspx?id=6407&pp=1 There are other interesting names in this map. It looks as if Terminal Island used to be Rattlesnake Island (and a Dead Man's Island is thrown in for good measure). below: Here is this extremely interesting map in it's entirety. http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8...borv2fullm.jpg http://digital.lapl.org/ItemDetails.aspx?id=6407&pp=1 below: In this 1938 map of Los Angeles Harbor and vicinity the name is retained for the Gardena Valley & N*gger Slough Drainage Channel. http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/151...borvicinty.jpg http://digital.lapl.org/ItemDetails.aspx?id=6425&pp=1 below: Here is the 1938 map in it's entirety (scroll right to see the drainage ditch). http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1...borvicinty.jpg http://digital.lapl.org/ItemDetails.aspx?id=6425&pp=1 |
...and of course 'Calle de los Negos' (aka N*gger Alley) has been covered many times in this thread.
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9...iggeralley.jpg http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...mplesearch.htm below: Links to the older posts. It was fun reading them again. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1379 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2519 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2528 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2540 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2556 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2612 ____ |
All excellent and interesting stuff, and that gigantic old map is really great. Thanks, e_r.
The Twilight Zone marathon is on today. Most of it was filmed on sound stages, studio lots, and out of town but I wonder if there are any Noirish L.A. scenes in any of the old B&W episodes? |
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I LOVED your screen grab post FredH! Excellent job If I remember correctly, the old Beaudry House was located behind the Brunswig Drug Company Bldg. It was arguably our best 'discovery' on this thread. _____ |
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We think alike 3940. :) Even when the action leaves the sound stage, the back lot is used instead of actual locations which is extremely disappointing to us old L.A. fans. I know of an episode of The Outer Limits that takes place entirely in the Bradbury Building. There is even a brief scene in the basement. I tried to take some screen grabs but they didn't turn out very well. I'll see if I can dig them up. Enjoy the marathon! |
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Wow. The political correctness police are out in force here.
I find it very disconcerting that you feel it necessary to intentionally expunge subject-relevant key words from an historical document (this thread). This is called "censoring history," and I find THAT to be even more offensive than the language you're trying to sweep under the carpet. Wail and wring your hands all you want about social evils in your personal discourse, but when it comes to history and its documentation, kindly keep your politically-correct revisionism stuffed neatly up your collective "Calles de los Negros." -Scott |
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You rarely visit the thread anymore Scott, and when you do this is all you've got? We were having a civil discourse on the subject so kindly go away. ____ |
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there was a time when where you live now, NYC, looked at anything west of the hudson as the hinterlands....& LA, to those living east of the mississippi or certain other cities closer to the west coast, inc SF, was written off as remote & a cultural outpost. from that standpoint, I lose nostalgia for the past. I generally post only to the SSP thread on new devlpt in DTLA, but I like looking at this thread to help remind me that LA of a long time ago, while it had some good things, also was disappointing in various ways & could really test the patience of ppl interested in living in a top flight city. all in all, in spite of bad things about today----including too much squalor, homeless ppl, tagging, & crime----I'd rather live now, or soon to be 2012, than in the 1900s, 1930s, 40s, 50s.... OTOH, ppl in NYC can feel more fondness for their past, since the city they call home was considered a capital & very important or "exciting" even over 50, 70, 100 yrs ago. |
Every New Years Eve I post the very first photograph of the thread again for good luck. The photo was taken 60 years ago
on December 31, 1951. http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4...cember3119.jpg http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...M-N-9439-014~1 HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE!! BEST OF LUCK IN 2012! -ethereal_reality _____ |
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Downtown Los Angeles Dec. 31, 1940. Look at that yahoo in the middle.
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Great ad! Myself, tonight I'll be taking advantage of the Metro Rail trains, which are free from 9pm to 2am and will run all night and into the morning. Downtown LA, here I come, ready to get shit-faced! :P No designated driver required. Happy New Year to all of you! :) |
I'm sorry I lost my temper, but once you start "sanitizing" history, it ceases to be truthful. Censoring individual words may seem trivial to you, but what if an academic is researching the usage of pejorative racial terms in L.A. history? Your censored articles won't show up in web searches. How, exactly, is that a good thing?
The reason I stopped contributing is because there are a ton of people here who are vastly more knowledgeable about L.A. history than I am, and I now prefer to simply sit back, listen and learn. I'm sorry I actually dared to speak up with a dissenting opinion. I know my words were unnecessarily harsh, but so were yours, Bruce. You may have started this thread, but it doesn't give you the right to bully someone off of it just because they disagree with you. BTW, that was a great map, Duncan. Thank you for posting it. I've spent all night studying it, and I'm sure it will come in as a very handy reference in the future. Thanks, also, for your civil reply to my uncivil rant. I had it coming, I know. I'll just be quiet now. I won't disturb your peace anymore. Again, I apologize. -Scott |
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E...2520AM.bmp.jpgAmerican Journal of Public Health
I've never seen this great shot of the iconic L.A. County General under construction. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k...2520AM.bmp.jpgUSCDL https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...2520AM.bmp.jpgUSCDL Views of the psychopathic department, Los Angeles County General Hospital. Does anyone know where in relation to the main building this might have been? I assume it's gone.... |
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I don't think anyone objected to your dissenting opinion - only the startling vitriol with which it was expressed. One reason I love this thread is that when controversial issues have arisen, the participants have always remained polite. It's about the only place on the internet where I have seen that and courtesy factor means almost as much to me as the awesome content here. It lets me enter tricky ground like this and the Barney's Beanery topic without having to worry about "blowing up" the thread. I gave your comments a lot of thought. (Partly because I'm recovering from a little medical procedure this week, and being unable to celebrate New Years with wife and friends, was housebound last night!) e_r and others responded to your comments quickly and I saw no point in piling on, but now that we've gotten polite again, I would like to reply. First, have to say that I despise the term "politically correct", especially in this context. My avoidance of the "N word" had nothing to do with politics or societal pressure. It was about my personal choice and boundaries. I wouldn't object if you use here it in an academic context...but I won't. About the time I posted the map here I emailed it to my mom. I did use the "N" word in the subject box when I wrote her, because I knew that she'd understand the context and where I was coming from. But using it verbatim in a public place is different to me. By avoiding or obscuring the N word, I guess I was nonverbally saying two things. First, that I hate the word and wouldn't it unless referring to something historical among close friends. (Actually, I don't think I've ever used it in public...so why start here?) Secondly, I think that repeating the word verbatim gives it a little more currency. Do you remember Lenny Bruce's famous rap about this? In essence he said, (and I'm paraphrasing, obscuring the words), if President Kennedy got on television and said it over and over, and used the word with every black man he saw, the word would lose its power, and you could never again make a black child cry when he came home from school. Well, Lenny Bruce was a great and brilliant comic, but I disagree. The historical facts can't be undone by repeating the word, and I don't think anyone really wants to hear it. You did make a good point with your comment "What if an academic is researching the usage of pejorative racial terms in L.A. history? Your censored articles won't show up in web searches".That is true (or would have been true, except that the word appeared in e_r's reply). I can only respond that 1; there is a lot of other important history here that's not recorded in text and thus not searchable and 2; at least some skinhead moron won't find the map I posted and stick a print on his wall. I guess I've said enough. You're welcome to reply, but I think I'll end here. Thanks again for the thoughtful follow up. Happy new years to you Scott, and everyone else here. This just might be the best place on the internet, ever. |
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I've never seen this great shot of the iconic L.A. County General under construction. I was born in LA County General on November 2, 1934...just about a year after it's official opening in December of 1933...any idea of what they are using it for these days...after the opening of the "new" hospital a few years ago? |
The title of that Outer Limits episode I mentioned earlier in the thread is.....
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2460/ol1p.jpg united artists television/original air date was October 17, 1964. http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6539/dsc0321lk.jpg united artists television below: A screen-grab showing the basement of the Bradbury Building. Sorry for the poor quality. http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1091/dsc0272pc.jpg united artists television below: The basement stairs leading up to the atrium. http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6630/olupt.jpg united artists television below: Wonderful grillwork on the atrium elevator. http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4772/dsc0313p.jpg united artists television below: Robert Culp takes a flying leap. http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3431/dsc0316jo.jpg united artists television Below: A view of the atrium floor from above (almost abstract drenched in so much shadow). Actually, the whole episode is extremely dark and dank.....there are even puddles in the basement. http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2189/dsc0276r.jpg united artists television below: Running for their lives. http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2764/dsc0280vx.jpg united artists television ....more to come. |
Demon with a Glass Hand continued...
A couple more shots of the atrium elevator. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3006/dsc0311h.jpg united artists television http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3967/dsc0310ki.jpg united artists television below: Run, Bob, Run. http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7158/dsc0283ww.jpg united artists television below: cruising? http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6223/dsc0288jf.jpg united artists television below: This one is very interesting. A view out a window to the street below. This definitely looks like a real street/sidewalk (as opposed to a backlot), but I don't think The Bradbury Building ever had a lit marquee. Perhaps another building was used, like the Million Dollar Theater directly across the street. http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/8256/dsc0292mg.jpg united artists television below: Space alien from the planet Raccoon. http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6905/dsc0302i.jpg united artists television below: Contemplating the glass demon-hand. http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1083/dsc0284aa.jpg united artists television below: A tenant's door in the Bradbury Building. http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4563/dsc0324pz.jpg united artists television below: The next two screen-grabs show a tacky counter in the atrium lobby. I would have removed these for the shoot. http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/947/dsc0317zi.jpg united artists television http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7040/dsc0318o.jpg united artists television below: The aliens in what looks like a space-age textile mill (it isn't....it's a portal of some sort) http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3334/dsc0306z.jpg united artists television below: The female lead exits the building (and goes to her guest starring role on Bonanza) http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1898/dsc0325wph.jpg THE END |
You can view the entire 'Demon with a Glass Hand' episode on youtube (in 6 parts).
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/2267/aayoutube.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImaly19Yps I guess I could have told you this before you suffered through all my screen-grabs. ;) _____ |
ethereal_reality, the Kirkland map is really fascinating! Thanks for sharing it.
I'm also a big fan of the original Twilight Zone and Outer Limits series, especially the latter. Visiting the Bradbury Building for the first time was a thrill for me largely because I knew it so well from having seen that episode of the Outer Limits so many times. Here's a frame grab of another location used on The Outer Limits, from an episode called "Cold Hands, Warm Heart." The black building on the right was then (1964) part of the campus of TRW, one of several major aerospace companies in the South Bay area. Those buildings still exist at Aviation Blvd. and Marine Ave. in Redondo Beach, but they're now owned by Northrop Grumman. I grew up just a few blocks away from here. The rounded building in the background housed the pool at Aviation High School, just to the south of the TRW campus. The school is gone now (demolished in the early 80s in an incredibly short-sighted move by the idiots in charge at the time) but the building that housed the pool remains. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...s759/OL-RB.jpg [source: MGM/UA] |
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Excellent, cleats-- as much as I like a voluptuously vegetated old house in terms of atmosphere, it is great to see this one "unvegetated"--and they even removed the metal fence. Now that's something you don't see very often... a fence being removed from the front yard of an old L.A. house.... |
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http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015242.jpgLAPL The building is still there, but the marquee is gone. ...or maybe it was the Rialto, farther down Broadway at 812 (still there, including marquee)... http://www.allyquest.com/images/gall...ct/5579004.jpgAlley Quest Anyway, these are the only squared-off downtown theater marquees I could find.... |
:previous: Those are some pretty good possibilities G_W. Leave it to you to notice that the squared-off marquee was rather unique.
I notice there is brickwork under the marquee in the Outer Limits pic, so I took google street view down Broadway to try and see if either of these addresses still had this brickwork. I didn't see any. Maybe the window scene wasn't filmed downtown at all. Perhaps it was filmed at a theater in close proximity to United Artists. This is obviously a shot in the dark...but it's fun to go exploring the possibility. :) ____ |
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Russian Renaissance Restaurant
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From an old Hollywood Chamber Of Commerce map (personal collection.) At Sunset and Ogden, where there's a Bank Of America now. Couldn't find a period photo of the place, but looks like a fun night out, doesn't it? The San Francisco branch is still open and seems to get good reviews. Will have to put it on my list. ;) Thirty-two colorful dishes! |
I have in my possession by virtue of having owned a scanner when most people didn't a travel journal kept by a deceased advertising executive when he visited Hollywood in the summer of 1954 at the age of twenty-two as a well heeled and well connected art student.
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8427/aug111954.jpg Would this be an appropriate place to share it? |
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Here is another article I found about the missile sites: http://www.laalmanac.com/history/hi08.htm |
Four photogravure prints found on ebay.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9...etailebay2.jpg below: I believe this is the P. Max Kuehnrich residence at 19 Chester Place. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/616...ceebay2012.jpg http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6...etebay2012.jpg below: The Plaza Church with Los Angeles High School's clock tower in the distance. http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6...03ebay2012.jpg http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8...highschool.jpg ebay |
Here's a clearer look at the marquee from "Demon With a Glass Hand," taken from the DVD release. Looks to me like the visible letters in the sign are "...TERION."
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...68/demon-1.jpg [source: MGM Home Video] While I'm at it, I thought I'd add another couple of frame grabs. This is a closeup of the building directory on the ground floor; I assume these are the actual businesses that occupied the Bradbury Building in 1964. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j...68/demon-2.jpg [source: MGM Home Video] Finally, a creepy and beautifully noirish shot looking up through the atrium. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...68/demon-3.jpg Director Byron Haskin commented: "Out at the Bradbury, we had to wait until it was dark and we were sleepy before we could shoot. We had to eat at a nearby beanery, and the gastric problems developed by the whole crew caused quite a stench during the longer setups. One night we surprised a pair of thieves who were burglarizing an office there — I guess they didn't foresee a camera crew showing up." |
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You mentioned "TERION" so I immediately thought "Criterion", a somewhat common name for cinemas. After a little research I found out the 1,856 seat Kinema Theater at 642 S. Grand was renamed Criterion (and later the Fox Criterion). http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5...heaterlapl.jpg http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1967 below: Kinema at Grand Ave. and 7th Street. http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7216/olkinemachaplin.jpg los angeles times below: The Kinema Theater, now the Criterion is visible in this aerial (at the bottom of the photo). The word Criterion is written on the roof and there is an advertisement for a Lon Chaney film. http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8...iterionusc.jpg http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1325488524771 below: The Kinema as the Fox Criterion. http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/703...nemal2lapl.jpg http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...rolNumber=3962 So was this the theater used for that window shot from the Outer Limits? I have no idea. ____ |
1947 LA Plat Book
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I have this very large 1947 Los Angeles Plat Book (pre-freeways). Hundreds of pages. It was purchased at an antique store as a present for me several years ago. Where would these have been used, court house, realtors, planning commissions? http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat1.jpg http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat2.jpg http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat3.jpg http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...l/LA-Plat4.jpg photos by poster |
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Oh! What Noirish Lives We Lead
Jean Wallace:
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8855/bigcombo.jpg The Big Combo (1955), Allied Artists Pictures For a little background, first take a look a Fab Fifties Fan's great post on Barbara Payton from a couple of months ago: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=5112 We are also familiar with gangster Mickey Cohen and his bodyguard (and buddy) Johnny Stompanato from several previous posts: http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5...6ab9wwa69z.jpg www.allstarpics.com Jean Wallace was right in the middle of all this noirish craziness. In 1941, she marries actor Franchot Tone at age 18. http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/87/tonec.jpg Mutiny On The Bounty Trailer (1935) After two kids together, she attempts suicide in May, 1946 by swallowing some pills. A couple of months later Wallace and Tone have separated. They divorce in 1948. At the divorce proceedings, it comes out that Wallace has been carrying on with Johnny Stompanato. Stompanato, as we know, ends up being stabbed to death by Lana Turner's daughter in 1958. http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3792/lana4.jpg www.blondeepisodes.com Wallace spends 1949 by stabbing herself with a butcher knife and being arrested on a DWI, wearing only a coat, panties, and slippers. In 1950, Tone gets custody of the two kids and starts running around with Barbara Payton: http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/826/shesbad.jpg www.mattsko.wordpress.com In the next two years, Jean Wallace marries actor Cornel Wilde and Tone goes on to run afoul of Payton's other boyfriend, Tom Neal: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8476/imagescapnrkhu.jpg www.people.famouswhy.com Wallace and Wilde make The Big Combo in 1955. They hang on together until their bitter divorce in 1980. She dies at age 66 in 1990. Oh, and what about our buddy, Mickey Cohen. He went on to be convicted twice of tax evasion and spent years in prison. He died in his sleep in 1976. Out on bail in 1962, poor Mickey has lost his bullet-proof Cadillac and house in Brentwood. Here he is at his rented house in the Valley, with his new ride. http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3...620104pete.jpg http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...key-cohen.html |
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There's a great scene in Chinatown where Jack Nicholson's Jake Gittes character goes to L.A.'s Hall Of Records to investigate suspicious real estate transactions in the San Fernando Valley. After finding the right plat book, with little help from the weaselly clerk, he rips a page from the book and pockets it while loudly coughing to cover up the sound. |
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That's a real treasure Mark. Such a book might have been found in the Hall of Records. The one above might be missing a page.... I'd love to see your book.... I'm afraid of the mean, pimply clerk who oversees the one at the Hall of Records... https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z...2520PM.bmp.jpg ...so maybe you'll show us some pages here. (P.S.-- DO NOT ask the clerk for a ruler....) https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U...2520PM.bmp.jpg All from Paramount Pictures |
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http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...55398555_n.jpgMark Heimback-Nielsen/Vintage Los Angeles
I don't remember ever seeing this building when Capitol Records was in residence, before the "stack of records" a few blocks north. It was also Wallich's Music City...which we've seen here before, I think, but I couldn't find it. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...2520PM.bmp.jpgRadio City Hollywood https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u...2520PM.bmp.jpghollywoodphotographs.com (in case you couldn't tell) I'm assuming it's the same building, since it's the same height; I might have been upset when the remodeling took place, but now it looks like architectural nirvana compared to what's there today (not worth posting a pic of it--standard issue post-Postmodern L.A. filler). (Will we ever feel nostalgic about the sameness of the past 20 years?) |
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