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re: Spruce Goose route
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Calling Scott_Charles! NLA calling Scott_Charles! https://imageshack.com/a/img924/3523/LXGyIS.gif ..or anyone else who has the skills....and the time. I don't have no stinkin' computer skills. :( _ |
AND......while we're on the subject.
Here is a mystery intersection, somewhere, along the Spruce Goose route. As you can see there are plenty of clues. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/59KlrS.jpg UNLV First of all...note that the cross street is one-way. (maybe it still is) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/ftaVD9.jpg The guy on the right, wearing the white pants, is about to be pick-pocketed! Here's a closer look at the building on the right. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5Ocv1a.jpg detail My kingdom for the name of the restaurant. __________________________________ This has nothing to do with the location of the intersection....but The sign(s) clearly shows that Howard Hughes hired the 'Star House Movers, Inc.'. (the moving signs, no doubt, appear in the other photographs as well)...but this is the first time I noticed them. Duh. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/zvwx8x.jpg detail Note- one sign is being installed mid-journey. (the others might have been newly installed as well) Have we looked into the history of Star House Movers on NLA? _ Also..here are the markings on the cabs of the two trucks holding the scaffolding. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/kkCQEn.jpg #53 and #33. :shrug: I believe they are city trucks, correct? p.s. I'm not sure what the men on the scaffolding are doing. -any ideas? __ |
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Thanks for the information TMSeele!
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/e865Eh.jpg Article found HERE The following photographs are from the Marina Del Rey Historical Society Let the dredging begin! https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/LknzGW.jpg Marina Del Rey Historical Society https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/LyZH4o.jpg Marina Del Rey Historical Society A closer look at one of the dredgers. Pacific Dredging Co. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/wViqbn.jpg Marina Del Rey Historical Society For the larger rocks, Connolly-Pacific was hired. (a division of Pacific Dredging?) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/VDrxlK.jpg Marina Del Rey Historical Society hmmmm... I am surprised Howard Hughes didn't have some equity in this massive endeavor. His company...as shown by Handsome Stranger's photograph...was literally next door. Somewhere in my files I have the 1954 master plan for Marina Del Rey. I'll try to find them. _ |
Here's one of several images of the Spruce Goose at porttown.polb.com.
Moving the Spruce Goose wings -- looking east on Seaside Boulevard -- the Cyclone http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseLB1.jpg porttown.polb.com As you can see from the caption, the wings are heading east in the photo above, and the Cyclone roller-coaster on the Pike is visible in the background. The aerial below is from May 1, 1947, and shows the Spruce Goose nearly complete in the lower-left corner. I've inset an enlargement under the Pike on the right. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseLB2.jpg mil.library.ucsb.edu |
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I see that only 1/2 of it was completed when the 1970 slide was taken. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/zRaDju.jpg GSV What is under construction right next to it? (it's a deep deep hole) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/HGIMiR.jpg GSV :shrug: _ |
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The Metro Regional Connector Project extends from the Metro Gold Line Little Tokyo/Arts District Station to the 7th Street/Metro Center Station in downtown Los Angeles, allowing passengers to transfer to Blue, Expo, Red and Purple Lines, bypassing Union Station. The 1.9-mile alignment will serve Little Tokyo, the Arts District, Civic Center, The Historic Core, Broadway, Grand Av, Bunker Hill, Flower St and the Financial District.There's more info and a map at the link above. |
[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8451072]AND......while we're on the subject.
Here is a mystery intersection, somewhere, along the Spruce Goose route. As you can see there are plenty of clues. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/59KlrS.jpg UNLV First of all...note that the cross street is one-way. (maybe it still is) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/ftaVD9.jpg The guy on the right, wearing the white pants, is about to be pick-pocketed! Here's a closer look at the building on the right. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5Ocv1a.jpg detail My kingdom for the name of the restaurant. __________________________________ This has nothing to do with the location of the intersection....but The sign(s) clearly shows that Howard Hughes hired the 'Star House Movers, Inc.'. (the moving signs, no doubt, appear in the other photographs as well)...but this is the first time I noticed them. Duh. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/zvwx8x.jpg detail Note- one sign is being installed mid-journey. (the others might have been newly installed as well) Have we looked into the history of Star House Movers on NLA? _ Also..here are the markings on the cabs of the two trucks holding the scaffolding. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/kkCQEn.jpg #53 and #33. :shrug: I believe they are city trucks, correct? p.s. I'm not sure what the men on the scaffolding are doing. -any ideas? The trucks appear to belong to the Los Angeles Transit Lines (L.A.T.L.); the older truck has the old L.A.R.Y. (Los Angeles Railway) lettering on the cab. The newer truck has the L.A.T.L. logo. The men on the scaffolding probably removed the trolley wires, which were in the path of the Spruce Goose. |
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I can't find it now, but I read one account that said hundreds of power lines along the route had to be either raised or cut in order for the flying boat to pass. |
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There's an old blog post at portoflongbeach.blogspot.com which includes the following: On June 11, 1946, Star House Movers began driving the 160-foot-long wing sections on a 28-mile route to Terminal Island. From the 15th to the 16th, the hull of the plane was moved. Utility companies had to raise or cut 2,300 power and phone lines along the route, which took the hull down Santa Fe Avenue and eventually over the Pontoon Bridge onto Terminal Island. |
Unless I overlooked it, I don't believe that, in our recent rash of Spruce Goose postings, anyone mentioned this posting of e_r's from 2013, the old low-lying pontoon bridge (which I've been over many a time) at back center:
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I'm reasonably certain that we're looking at the northwest corner of Imperial Hwy. (on which the Goose is traveling) at Hawthorne Blvd. in Inglewood. Under magnification, the address number above the door of the real estate office is "11333", which yields a location just north of Imperial Hwy. The cross streets which carried LATL tracks in a median strip right-of-way would have been Hawthorne Blvd., Vermont Ave. and South Broadway. The Broadway location was a little lonely in those days, so I think it can be ruled out. As the business shown in the photo failed to tun up in the L.A. City Directories, I lean more toward Inglewood. Those directory listings aren't always definitive, though; so Vermont Ave. still might be a possibility. Unfortunately, very little of the built environment from 1946 remains on those stretches of Hawthorne and Vermont, so contemporary views aren't especially helpful. |
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oldtime radioCD Mr. Hughes said in front of Congress that if the government didn't stop pestering him, he would leave the US and never return. He eventually did just that. Hughes was reported to have died on April 5, 1976, at 1:27 p.m. on board an aircraft owned by Robert Graf and piloted by Jeff Abrams. He was en route from his penthouse at the Acapulco Fairmont Princess Hotel in Mexico to the Methodist Hospital in Houston. I remember that day, having heard the report on the radio as a News Flash in the afternoon. |
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This would tend to indicate the Goose was traveling east on Imperial when it crossed Hawthorne and traveling east on Rosecrans when it crossed both Vermont and Broadway. Based on your observation of the 11333 address I agree that this is Hawthorne Blvd. Good eye! I did look at some UCSB images from around that time and this 1941 shot is as good a look as I could find. It's not very definitive but the layout of the property is a reasonable match. The northwest corner of Hawthorne/Imperial is upper left. https://i.imgur.com/i3QJ8T0.png?1http://mil.library.ucsb.edu/ap_image.../c-7347_20.tif |
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Here is another 1970 slide that I recently saw on ebay. I believe it was taken by the same person that took THIS SLIDE
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/xhw7Qy.jpg EBAY Where do you think the photographer was standing when he took this pic? :shrug: __________________ Also too... I couldn't help but notice this old building that is..somewhat..hanging off the hillside. (if you look closely there's an old house directly behind it) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/vaLmuU.jpg and this one, that I circled, looks like a mini castle. (it does to me anyway)...but I'm crazy. ;) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/SOiCpS.jpg _ |
One more 1970 slide for today.
Rail Yards north of downtown. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/Mod0Dt.jpg EBAY I don't remember seeing that church before. Also note: the Capitol Mill Co. at far right. > > Also...at the lower edge of the photo there is an interesting rooftop sign. [close-up below] note the man walking down the street. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/K16y8L.jpg ........................................................................................................................................................:previous: The lettering style looks vaguely 'oriental'. At first I thought it was 'China City'...but I don't believe China City is in this immediate area. Can anyone make out what it says? __ |
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http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...hBuilding1.jpg Google Maps Here's a previous appearance, sadly from just the wrong angle for comparisons. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...icesAdmin1.jpg Detail from image in USC Digital Library |
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http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...hBuilding2.jpg Google Maps The church is St. Anthony's Croatian Catholic Church at 712 N Grand Avenue. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nysChurch1.jpg GSV |
:previous: Here's the same church in the January 1911 The American Globe:
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I believe that's the sign for the Dorothy Mae Apartments (Google Map puts 821 Sunset at the corner of North Figueroa): http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psah3riqcr.jpg March 27, 1927, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL The Dorothy Mae burned down in an arson fire on September 4, 1982, and 24 people died. In the upper right corner of the close-up . . . is that an older, now-demolished version of the Castelar Street School? Thanks for that interesting photo, e_r! |
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"Old Castelar School building, 850 Yale Street, 1973 (now demolished)." http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...larSchool1.jpg LAPL |
I've been looking for the location of this Spruce Goose photo for days. After checking the maps/aerial images once again, I realized that the parked cars in the foreground were on the wrong side of the street, so the photo must be mirrored. It's correct below.
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...GooseSFAv1.jpg mashable.com/Bettmann/Corbis Now searching on the opposite side of the street, I found the location several blocks north of the Coca-Cola plant identified by August-Marathon recently. We're facing east at the intersection of Santa Fe Avenue and N La Vere Drive. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...GooseSFAv2.jpg Google Maps |
Here's another picture of parts of the Spruce Goose in transit. One source names the location as Hermosa Beach, but it's actually a little south of there in Redondo Beach.
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseRB1.jpg mashable.com/Underwood Archives/Getty Images This 1947 aerial shows the intersection of the PCH and Diamond Street, with Redondo Union High School just to the right of center. I think that Kendall Chevrolet is visible in the top left corner of the photo above. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseRB2.jpg mil.library.ucsb.edu Most of the buildings are long gone, so here's an earlier view. The building on the right is the one on the right of the Spruce Goose photo. "Photograph of an exterior view of the Redondo Union High School, Redondo Beach, ca.1925." http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseRB3.jpg grabilla.com This would seem to be a fair way west of the route that I thought the Spruce Goose took. |
:previous: This is some amazing sleuth work, HossC, and my hat is off to you! I was puzzled about the locations of both photos. The wings must have traveled a different course than the body, down Sepulveda/Pacific Coast Highway from Lincoln all the way south and east to Wilmington. A very logical route, now that I think about it.
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https://s3st0.openlistings.com/image...17a7066f14.jpg
Was browsing through home for sale in the Inglewood area and while being nosy on Google maps came across an over grown area and after some snooping found an over grown estate that unfortunately has recently been demolished. 355 La Colina Dr Inglewood, CA 90302 https://www.openlistings.com/p/355-l...ewood-ca-90302 "Excellent rehab opportunity or development site. This may be the largest house in Inglewood at almost 5,000 sq. Ft. Built in 1922 by Frank Parent, this house has high ceilings, a majestic foot print, in need of a total rehab or a fresh start. Includes lot next door and behind the main property. The lot goes from E. Beach through to La Colina Drive. Motivated Seller. Features - Built 1922- Building style: art deco- Fireplace" More on Frank D. Parent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_D._Parent Shame it was destroyed and wondering if anyone on here could dig up some more information on the property and pictures. -Victor in LA |
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I haven't found anything about the past of 355 La Colina Drive (I didn't really look), but its future seems to be as a green open space near to the new Inglewood Metro Station. The house was demolished between October 2014 and April 2015, which was shortly after the businesses along the north side of Florence Avenue (just across La Colina Drive) were razed. There's more about the new station on la.curbed.com. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...aColinaDr1.jpg inglewood.arroyogroup.com (PDF file) |
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Yes, amazing indeed! (Thanks for IDing the school, too, Hoss.) The Spruce Goose's wings were moved first, then the hull. Wednesday, June 12, 1946, Los Angeles Times: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pskazq2mgs.jpg ProQuest via LAPL Thursday, June 13, 1946, Los Angeles Times: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pssgd2fvyt.jpg ProQuest via LAPL Neither of these articles mentions the specifics of either route or the reason for the different routes. |
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1974 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/q8TNDn.jpg LAPL CENTER: HEALTH SERVICES BLDG. beneath arrow. Here are two more 1970 slides on ebay. (no doubt from the same photographer) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/VS8Qsn.jpg ebay I believe this is proof positive that Hoss is correct. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4BZhfi.jpg ebay foreground: Ahmanson Theater left.....Mark Taper Forum right. _ |
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from a 1988 article: LATIMES https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/mH97EJ.jpg "Near Sunset Boulevard and Figueroa Street, just north of downtown Los Angeles, there is a flurry of construction work taking place these days. More than 400 apartments are being built to meet the growing demand for housing in the area. But in the midst of the hammering and sawing, a piece of vacant land at 821 W. Sunset Blvd. remains untouched--dwarfed by the activity around it. Upon it once sat a 43-unit apartment building, which became the scene of one of the deadliest residential fires in city history. The Dorothy Mae Apartment Hotel was swept by flames early in the morning of Sept. 4, 1982. Nineteen people, including an unborn baby and its mother, perished as the fire roared through the 50-year-old, three-story structure. Thirty-six other people were injured, and, within 10 days, six of them had died. Only the 1973 Stratford Apartments fire, in which 25 people were killed and 52 were injured, was as deadly, Los Angeles fire officials said. The building was informally known as "Little Salitre" because virtually all its nearly 200 residents came from the rural town of El Salitre in the Mexican state of Zacatecas. Many fire victims were related to one another. Authorities said the inferno was a case of arson--the result of an argument between the manager and a nephew, who lived in the building, over the latter's membership in a street gang, his smoking of marijuana and spray painting of graffiti. Upset, the nephew, Humberto de la Torre, then 19, brought a dollar's worth of gasoline, threw it on the floor of an apartment and then ignited it with a match, investigators said. The flames spread quickly, engulfing the building. The uncle, Mateode la Torre, was unhurt in the blaze. Humberto de la Torre was arrested the following December in Texas, pleaded guilty to 25 counts of murder and in 1985 was sentenced to 625 years in prison. He is now serving his sentence at Folsom Prison. The fire rendered even the land itself practically useless for a while, its owners, a group of businessmen holding it for investment, said. "It was as if the devil himself lived there," said attorney Hiran Kwan, a member of HLL Management Co. that owned the Dorothy Mae, expecting the land's proximity to the city's growing Chinatown would make it an increasingly valuable site. Kwan said his group found little interest in its plans to build a new apartment house or hotel on the lot. He blamed adverse publicity stemming from the fire and false rumors that owners were going to be prosecuted because fire officials had found unsafe conditions that might have contributed to the toll. (Fire Department records showed the building had generally been kept up to city fire code standards and had been cited in the past for only minor violations.) Kwan's group, which is a major player in the current round of construction near Sunset and Figueroa, sold the Dorothy Mae land in 1984 for $500,000 to another group of businessmen, headed by Chinatown banker Kenneth Wong. Wong said his group, U.P. Investment Inc., wants to use the Dorothy Mae site as part of a major hotel and a shopping center development along Sunset. The group is trying to put together financing for the $19-million project, said Wong, board chairman of United Pacific Bank." http://articles.latimes.com/1988-03-..._1_dorothy-mae |
Re: Los Angeles Music Center (above)
If you didn't know, the Music Center plaza is under reconstruction for the first time since it opened. The 40 million dollar project has been underway for just over a year and is scheduled to open in August. Rendering: CLICK ON THE PHOTO BELOW TO SEE A VERSION OF THE RENDERING AT NIGHT. https://www.latimes.com/resizer/wDvU...WEHEIILO5A.jpgL.A. Times Rendering of the new planned entrance for the Music Center plaza. Gentler steps and new escalators lead to an open space (which can be used for an outdoor performing area) with a new restaurant, bar and coffee house, plus permanent restrooms. The Music Center's website (HERE) about the renovation says it will be "a warm, welcoming public space that offers an open invitation to all and a front door, now even wider, to The Music Center." I don't know...the space in the rendering doesn't look warm to me, it looks hot...and a bit harsh. I couldn't find the NLA post where I saw the photo below at first, but I found it on LAPL again. Does the new rendering of the plaza area really look much different than in this photo from 1965, a year after it opened? 7,000 people lined up to buy tickets for Hello, Dolly, which happens to be playing at the Pantages Theatre right now. http://historiccore.bid/wp-content/u...r_Pavilion.jpgLAPL |
per: our very recent discussion about the Health Services Building. (which Hoss pinpointed as the epicenter of the 1970 slides)
Does anyone remember the fire in 1992? (I didn't) looking NORTH https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/20HWU1.jpg LAFD note: The fire appears to have been located in the northeast corner of the building. If that's the case, why is there a small burnt area on the south facing wall? hmmm....I wonder what that's all about :shrug: _ |
And here's yet another slide taken from the roof of the Health Services Bldg. in 1970.
looking NORTH https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/3psJgx.jpg EBAY That lighter area, in the distance, looks like a freshly harvested field of hay. (from my midwest perspective :farmer: I spy a Union 76 gas station. __ |
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/IW3JcX.jpg ebay / SLIDE 1970 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/vn1jfA.jpg EBAY cough. cough...cough...cough. . |
Aerial view of Watts, looking northeast, showing a smog bank covering the city. 13 September 1956.
https://i.postimg.cc/V6kBq8nL/smog.jpg [source: LAPL] I wonder what years the smog was at its worst? The situation has definitely improved. |
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http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...HuntleyDr1.jpg LAT Demo permits indicate that the building was razed soon afterwards. Here's what it looked like from Huntley Drive... http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...HuntleyDr2.jpg GSV ... and here's all that's left: http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...HuntleyDr3.jpg GSV |
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http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...EmeraldSt1.jpg Detail of picture in USC Digital Library |
:previous: Oh, so what I 'saw' as a squarish turret on the roof was actually the cottages behind it....peeking above the roofline.
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Here's another view.
Why the large X? .......... I thought it had something to do with the rail line but there aren't any rails. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/WRPGB5.jpg skyscraperpage also too.....who lived in that impressive white house at upper right? _ |
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This black and white photo was taken on the day of the Health Services Bldg. fire in 1992.
Does LAFD still use OPEN CAB fire trucks? https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z1WdEo.jpg lafd I've been trying to read the name on the truck....it's SEA...'something'. .....Seagrass? No, that's too weird. _ p.s. Is that a built-in horn/siren directly above the TRUCK ONE license plate? |
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one more....
Health Services Fire, 1992. This view is similar to the color photo I posted yesterday....except, this time, we're looking south, away from the Health Services Bldg. [SIZE="1"](I checked my compass. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/7qLYjg.jpg LAFD TRUCK ONE, 'Seagrass' is down there somewhere. The buildings look 'Soviet Bloc' with the rain stains. _ |
This matted photograph of the TITLE INSURANCE BUILDING showed up on ebay yesterday for $125.00.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/8kboTG.jpg IT APPEARS TO BE GONE ALREADY REVERSE https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/tqvNKw.jpg for search purposes: John Parkison and Donald B. Parkison, Architects. Here's a closer look at what's going on at street level. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/0VoSyu.jpg DETAIL note the hotel marquee at left. *googles to find the name of the hotel* _ |
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This bit of California Title Insurance Co. emphemera is still on ebay. Asking $179.99 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/03fdPh.jpg EBAY There is no way this is worth $179.99. _ |
But take a look at this one!
Southern California Insurance Company, 1885 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6PoVkD.jpg ebay It even includes this envelope! https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/M9tVgy.jpg I'll buy this one! *checks price* $399.95. :( nevermind. |
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Founded in 1881 in Detroit https://seagrave.com https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagrave_Fire_Apparatus |
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