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ethereal_reality Jan 27, 2019 4:56 PM

re: Spruce Goose route
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8450673)
Based on the info given in this article and that the starting point was Hughes Airport which was on the south side of Jefferson Blvd, just west of where the 405 now crosses, I would guess that the first shot shows the Spruce Goose traveling west on Jefferson approaching Lincoln Blvd where it would turn south. The terrain certainly looks like the Playa Vista/Ballona Wetlands area.

:previous: Good deduction(s) Bristolian. See the photograph that Bristolian describes HERE


Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8450673)
I would further guess that this shows the Jefferson/Lincoln intersection just before making the left turn onto Lincoln.

:previous: Another good deduction! See the photograph HERE.




re: HossC's video.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8450673)
I believe the image seen on the video shows one of the wing sections traveling south on Lincoln and starting up the incline
only a about a quarter of a mile south of Jefferson. Here is an approximate present day view.

https://i.imgur.com/ZYnVdwI.png?1GSV



I would map out the route but my photoshop skills are pretty much nonexistent.

...................................................................................:previous:...................................................................................

Calling Scott_Charles! NLA calling Scott_Charles!

https://imageshack.com/a/img924/3523/LXGyIS.gif

..or anyone else who has the skills....and the time.


I don't have no stinkin' computer skills. :(

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ethereal_reality Jan 27, 2019 5:31 PM

AND......while we're on the subject.


Here is a mystery intersection, somewhere, along the Spruce Goose route.

As you can see there are plenty of clues.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/59KlrS.jpg
UNLV



First of all...note that the cross street is one-way. (maybe it still is)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/ftaVD9.jpg

The guy on the right, wearing the white pants, is about to be pick-pocketed!








Here's a closer look at the building on the right.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5Ocv1a.jpg
detail

My kingdom for the name of the restaurant.

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This has nothing to do with the location of the intersection....but

The sign(s) clearly shows that Howard Hughes hired the 'Star House Movers, Inc.'.

(the moving signs, no doubt, appear in the other photographs as well)...but this is the first time I noticed them. Duh.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/zvwx8x.jpg
detail

Note- one sign is being installed mid-journey. (the others might have been newly installed as well)

Have we looked into the history of Star House Movers on NLA?
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Also..here are the markings on the cabs of the two trucks holding the scaffolding.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/kkCQEn.jpg

#53 and #33. :shrug: I believe they are city trucks, correct?

p.s. I'm not sure what the men on the scaffolding are doing. -any ideas?


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Martin Pal Jan 27, 2019 6:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8451016)
Lloyd Wright "Jaws" house from TNT.com
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And tying in with Howard Hughes, this house was used as a location in the film The Aviator.

ethereal_reality Jan 27, 2019 6:49 PM

Thanks for the information TMSeele!
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMSteele (Post 8450827)
Hughes moved The Spruce Goose to Los Alamitos in Nov to test drive his creation.

Unfortunately, [I]Marina Del Rey was an inadequate port because it was not begun to be built until 1954.

undated
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/e865Eh.jpg
Article found HERE

The following photographs are from the Marina Del Rey Historical Society



Let the dredging begin!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/LknzGW.jpg
Marina Del Rey Historical Society



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/LyZH4o.jpg
Marina Del Rey Historical Society




A closer look at one of the dredgers.

Pacific Dredging Co.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/wViqbn.jpg
Marina Del Rey Historical Society




For the larger rocks, Connolly-Pacific was hired. (a division of Pacific Dredging?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/VDrxlK.jpg
Marina Del Rey Historical Society


hmmmm...
I am surprised Howard Hughes didn't have some equity in this massive endeavor.
His company...as shown by Handsome Stranger's photograph...was literally next door.



Somewhere in my files I have the 1954 master plan for Marina Del Rey. I'll try to find them.

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HossC Jan 27, 2019 7:03 PM

Here's one of several images of the Spruce Goose at porttown.polb.com.

Moving the Spruce Goose wings -- looking east on Seaside Boulevard -- the Cyclone

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseLB1.jpg
porttown.polb.com

As you can see from the caption, the wings are heading east in the photo above, and the Cyclone roller-coaster on the Pike is visible in the background. The aerial below is from May 1, 1947, and shows the Spruce Goose nearly complete in the lower-left corner. I've inset an enlargement under the Pike on the right.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseLB2.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

ethereal_reality Jan 27, 2019 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality
What is this squarish building?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/ceGWnB.jpgSee the complete slide again HERE

Quote:

Originally Posted by UphillDonkey (Post 8449931)
It's some kind of Heating/Cooling plant at 715 W 3rd St

Thanks for answering my question UphillDonkey.

I see that only 1/2 of it was completed when the 1970 slide was taken.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/zRaDju.jpg
GSV



What is under construction right next to it? (it's a deep deep hole)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/HGIMiR.jpg
GSV

:shrug:

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HossC Jan 27, 2019 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8451193)

What is under construction right next to it? (it's a deep deep hole)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/HGIMiR.jpg
GSV

It's apparently part of The Metro Regional Connector Project. From www.metro.net:
The Metro Regional Connector Project extends from the Metro Gold Line Little Tokyo/Arts District Station to the 7th Street/Metro Center Station in downtown Los Angeles, allowing passengers to transfer to Blue, Expo, Red and Purple Lines, bypassing Union Station. The 1.9-mile alignment will serve Little Tokyo, the Arts District, Civic Center, The Historic Core, Broadway, Grand Av, Bunker Hill, Flower St and the Financial District.
There's more info and a map at the link above.

59imperial Jan 27, 2019 9:11 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8451072]AND......while we're on the subject.


Here is a mystery intersection, somewhere, along the Spruce Goose route.

As you can see there are plenty of clues.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/59KlrS.jpg
UNLV



First of all...note that the cross street is one-way. (maybe it still is)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/ftaVD9.jpg

The guy on the right, wearing the white pants, is about to be pick-pocketed!








Here's a closer look at the building on the right.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5Ocv1a.jpg
detail

My kingdom for the name of the restaurant.

__________________________________



This has nothing to do with the location of the intersection....but

The sign(s) clearly shows that Howard Hughes hired the 'Star House Movers, Inc.'.

(the moving signs, no doubt, appear in the other photographs as well)...but this is the first time I noticed them. Duh.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/zvwx8x.jpg
detail

Note- one sign is being installed mid-journey. (the others might have been newly installed as well)

Have we looked into the history of Star House Movers on NLA?
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Also..here are the markings on the cabs of the two trucks holding the scaffolding.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/kkCQEn.jpg

#53 and #33. :shrug: I believe they are city trucks, correct?

p.s. I'm not sure what the men on the scaffolding are doing. -any ideas?


The trucks appear to belong to the Los Angeles Transit Lines (L.A.T.L.); the older truck has the old L.A.R.Y. (Los Angeles Railway) lettering on the cab. The newer truck has the L.A.T.L. logo. The men on the scaffolding probably removed the trolley wires, which were in the path of the Spruce Goose.

Handsome Stranger Jan 27, 2019 11:44 PM

:previous:

I can't find it now, but I read one account that said hundreds of power lines along the route had to be either raised or cut in order for the flying boat to pass.

HossC Jan 28, 2019 12:00 AM

:previous:

There's an old blog post at portoflongbeach.blogspot.com which includes the following:
On June 11, 1946, Star House Movers began driving the 160-foot-long wing sections on a 28-mile route to Terminal Island. From the 15th to the 16th, the hull of the plane was moved. Utility companies had to raise or cut 2,300 power and phone lines along the route, which took the hull down Santa Fe Avenue and eventually over the Pontoon Bridge onto Terminal Island.

odinthor Jan 28, 2019 5:21 AM

Unless I overlooked it, I don't believe that, in our recent rash of Spruce Goose postings, anyone mentioned this posting of e_r's from 2013, the old low-lying pontoon bridge (which I've been over many a time) at back center:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6182789)
I just found this amazing photograph on ebay tonight.

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/2702/6g8e.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Photo-Howard...-/121136015114

HUGHES FLYING BOAT, LOS ANGELES HARBOR 1947
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HenryHuntington Jan 28, 2019 6:01 AM

[QUOTE=59imperial;8451304]
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8451072)
AND......while we're on the subject.


Here is a mystery intersection, somewhere, along the Spruce Goose route.

As you can see there are plenty of clues.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/59KlrS.jpg
UNLV



First of all...note that the cross street is one-way. (maybe it still is)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/ftaVD9.jpg

The guy on the right, wearing the white pants, is about to be pick-pocketed!








Here's a closer look at the building on the right.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5Ocv1a.jpg
detail

My kingdom for the name of the restaurant.

__________________________________



This has nothing to do with the location of the intersection....but

The sign(s) clearly shows that Howard Hughes hired the 'Star House Movers, Inc.'.

(the moving signs, no doubt, appear in the other photographs as well)...but this is the first time I noticed them. Duh.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/zvwx8x.jpg
detail

Note- one sign is being installed mid-journey. (the others might have been newly installed as well)

Have we looked into the history of Star House Movers on NLA?
_



Also..here are the markings on the cabs of the two trucks holding the scaffolding.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/kkCQEn.jpg

#53 and #33. :shrug: I believe they are city trucks, correct?

p.s. I'm not sure what the men on the scaffolding are doing. -any ideas?


The trucks appear to belong to the Los Angeles Transit Lines (L.A.T.L.); the older truck has the old L.A.R.Y. (Los Angeles Railway) lettering on the cab. The newer truck has the L.A.T.L. logo. The men on the scaffolding probably removed the trolley wires, which were in the path of the Spruce Goose.

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I'm reasonably certain that we're looking at the northwest corner of Imperial Hwy. (on which the Goose is traveling) at Hawthorne Blvd. in Inglewood.

Under magnification, the address number above the door of the real estate office is "11333", which yields a location just north of Imperial Hwy. The cross streets which carried LATL tracks in a median strip right-of-way would have been Hawthorne Blvd., Vermont Ave. and South Broadway. The Broadway location was a little lonely in those days, so I think it can be ruled out. As the business shown in the photo failed to tun up in the L.A. City Directories, I lean more toward Inglewood. Those directory listings aren't always definitive, though; so Vermont Ave. still might be a possibility. Unfortunately, very little of the built environment from 1946 remains on those stretches of Hawthorne and Vermont, so contemporary views aren't especially helpful.

CaliNative Jan 28, 2019 9:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMSteele (Post 8450827)
After Kaiser, the aluminum manufacturer withdrew from the project and a Senate hearing on August 6, 1947 (the first of a series of appearances inquiring about questionable ethics), Hughes moved The Spruce Goose to Los Alamitos in Nov to test drive his creation.

Unfortunately, Marina Del Rey was an inadequate port because it was not begun to be built until 1954.

True, but even if Marina Del Rey existed in the 1940s (it didn't) it would have been inadequate. The Goose needed a few miles of taxi room to accelerate slowly & lift off from the water. Only the Harbor area inside the breakwater provided the length needed for safe testing. Even then, the thing barely lifted off, and shook like hell so it was promptly set down, never to fly again. Imagine trying to lift off with a few hundred troops and/or several tanks inside (it was planned as a troop/heavy equipment transport in the war). The thought was that a transport that flew could avoid the danger of U-Boat attacks that ship transports faced. It was slow and possibly underpowered (even with 8 engines) and possibly structurally questionable, at least at full planned load. Amazing that the thing ever became a tourist attraction, for a few years anyway. It was obsolete the day it tried to fly.

CityBoyDoug Jan 28, 2019 12:55 PM

https://www.otrcat.com/images/howard...otrcat.com.jpg
oldtime radioCD

Mr. Hughes said in front of Congress that if the government didn't stop pestering him, he would leave the US and never return. He eventually did just that.

Hughes was reported to have died on April 5, 1976, at 1:27 p.m. on board an aircraft owned by Robert Graf and piloted by Jeff Abrams. He was en route from his penthouse at the Acapulco Fairmont Princess Hotel in Mexico to the Methodist Hospital in Houston. I remember that day, having heard the report on the radio as a News Flash in the afternoon.

Ed Workman Jan 28, 2019 4:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8451072)
AND......while we're on the subject.







Note- one sign is being installed mid-journey. (the others might have been newly installed as well)



Also..here are the markings on the cabs of the two trucks holding the scaffolding.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/kkCQEn.jpg

#53 and #33. :shrug: I believe they are city trucks, correct?

p.s. I'm not sure what the men on the scaffolding are doing. -any ideas?


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Not city trucks, but wreckers from Los Angeles Transit Lines, successor to Los Angeles Railway, and strong enough to haul a wrecked streetcar back to the shop

Bristolian Jan 28, 2019 5:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 8451702)
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I'm reasonably certain that we're looking at the northwest corner of Imperial Hwy. (on which the Goose is traveling) at Hawthorne Blvd. in Inglewood.

Under magnification, the address number above the door of the real estate office is "11333", which yields a location just north of Imperial Hwy. The cross streets which carried LATL tracks in a median strip right-of-way would have been Hawthorne Blvd., Vermont Ave. and South Broadway. The Broadway location was a little lonely in those days, so I think it can be ruled out. As the business shown in the photo failed to tun up in the L.A. City Directories, I lean more toward Inglewood. Those directory listings aren't always definitive, though; so Vermont Ave. still might be a possibility. Unfortunately, very little of the built environment from 1946 remains on those stretches of Hawthorne and Vermont, so contemporary views aren't especially helpful.

According to the newspaper report posted by Handsome Stranger at the beginning of the Spruce Goose discussion, the route is described as "Sepulveda, Imperial and Crenshaw Blvds to Rosecrans Blvd. and San Pedro St."
This would tend to indicate the Goose was traveling east on Imperial when it crossed Hawthorne and traveling east on Rosecrans when it crossed both Vermont and Broadway. Based on your observation of the 11333 address I agree that this is Hawthorne Blvd. Good eye!
I did look at some UCSB images from around that time and this 1941 shot is as good a look as I could find. It's not very definitive but the layout of the property is a reasonable match. The northwest corner of Hawthorne/Imperial is upper left.
https://i.imgur.com/i3QJ8T0.png?1http://mil.library.ucsb.edu/ap_image.../c-7347_20.tif

Handsome Stranger Jan 28, 2019 9:14 PM

 

ethereal_reality Jan 28, 2019 9:41 PM

Here is another 1970 slide that I recently saw on ebay. I believe it was taken by the same person that took THIS SLIDE

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/xhw7Qy.jpg
EBAY

Where do you think the photographer was standing when he took this pic? :shrug:
__________________




Also too...

I couldn't help but notice this old building that is..somewhat..hanging off the hillside. (if you look closely there's an old house directly behind it)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/vaLmuU.jpg






and this one, that I circled, looks like a mini castle. (it does to me anyway)...but I'm crazy. ;)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/SOiCpS.jpg
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ethereal_reality Jan 28, 2019 10:00 PM

One more 1970 slide for today.

Rail Yards north of downtown.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/Mod0Dt.jpg
EBAY

I don't remember seeing that church before. Also note: the Capitol Mill Co. at far right. > >





Also...at the lower edge of the photo there is an interesting rooftop sign. [close-up below]

note the man walking down the street.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/K16y8L.jpg

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The lettering style looks vaguely 'oriental'. At first I thought it was 'China City'...but I don't believe China City is in this immediate area.

Can anyone make out what it says?

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HossC Jan 28, 2019 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8452461)

Here is another 1970 slide that I recently saw on ebay. I believe it was taken by the same person that took THIS SLIDE

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/xhw7Qy.jpg
EBAY

Where do you think the photographer was standing when he took this pic? :shrug:

I'm putting my money on the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services building at 313 N Figueroa Street. It was completed around the time of the photo above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...hBuilding1.jpg
Google Maps

Here's a previous appearance, sadly from just the wrong angle for comparisons.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...icesAdmin1.jpg
Detail from image in USC Digital Library

HossC Jan 28, 2019 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8452485)

One more 1970 slide for today.

Rail Yards north of downtown.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/Mod0Dt.jpg
EBAY

I don't remember seeing that church before. Also note: the Capitol Mill Co. at far right. > >

Believe it or not, I think this second picture was also taken from 313 N Figueroa Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...hBuilding2.jpg
Google Maps

The church is St. Anthony's Croatian Catholic Church at 712 N Grand Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nysChurch1.jpg
GSV

Flyingwedge Jan 28, 2019 11:36 PM

:previous: Here's the same church in the January 1911 The American Globe:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1lbzu7wd.jpg

Hathitrust


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8452485)


Also...at the lower edge of the photo there is an interesting rooftop sign. [close-up below]

note the man walking down the street.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/K16y8L.jpg

........................................................................................................................................................:previous:

The lettering style looks vaguely 'oriental'. At first I thought it was 'China City'...but I don't believe China City is in this immediate area.

Can anyone make out what it says?

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I believe that's the sign for the Dorothy Mae Apartments (Google Map puts 821 Sunset at the corner of North Figueroa):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psah3riqcr.jpg

March 27, 1927, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


The Dorothy Mae burned down in an arson fire on September 4, 1982, and 24 people died.


In the upper right corner of the close-up . . . is that an older, now-demolished version of the Castelar Street School?

Thanks for that interesting photo, e_r!

HossC Jan 29, 2019 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8452485)

Also...at the lower edge of the photo there is an interesting rooftop sign. [close-up below]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/K16y8L.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8452630)

In the upper right corner of the close-up . . . is that an older, now-demolished version of the Castelar Street School?

Thanks for that interesting photo, e_r!

You beat me to the Dorothy Mae, FW, but this one had me stumped. The building looks a lot closer to the church in e_r's photo, and it's not as large as I expected in aerial views (maybe the high roof makes it look bigger from ground level) . However, given the image below, I think you're right.

"Old Castelar School building, 850 Yale Street, 1973 (now demolished)."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...larSchool1.jpg
LAPL

HossC Jan 29, 2019 8:33 PM

I've been looking for the location of this Spruce Goose photo for days. After checking the maps/aerial images once again, I realized that the parked cars in the foreground were on the wrong side of the street, so the photo must be mirrored. It's correct below.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...GooseSFAv1.jpg
mashable.com/Bettmann/Corbis

Now searching on the opposite side of the street, I found the location several blocks north of the Coca-Cola plant identified by August-Marathon recently. We're facing east at the intersection of Santa Fe Avenue and N La Vere Drive.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...GooseSFAv2.jpg
Google Maps

HossC Jan 29, 2019 9:20 PM

Here's another picture of parts of the Spruce Goose in transit. One source names the location as Hermosa Beach, but it's actually a little south of there in Redondo Beach.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseRB1.jpg
mashable.com/Underwood Archives/Getty Images

This 1947 aerial shows the intersection of the PCH and Diamond Street, with Redondo Union High School just to the right of center. I think that Kendall Chevrolet is visible in the top left corner of the photo above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseRB2.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Most of the buildings are long gone, so here's an earlier view. The building on the right is the one on the right of the Spruce Goose photo.

"Photograph of an exterior view of the Redondo Union High School, Redondo Beach, ca.1925."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ceGooseRB3.jpg
grabilla.com

This would seem to be a fair way west of the route that I thought the Spruce Goose took.

Handsome Stranger Jan 29, 2019 10:18 PM

:previous: This is some amazing sleuth work, HossC, and my hat is off to you! I was puzzled about the locations of both photos. The wings must have traveled a different course than the body, down Sepulveda/Pacific Coast Highway from Lincoln all the way south and east to Wilmington. A very logical route, now that I think about it.

VictorAtomic Jan 29, 2019 10:41 PM

https://s3st0.openlistings.com/image...17a7066f14.jpg

Was browsing through home for sale in the Inglewood area and while being nosy on Google maps came across an over grown area and after some snooping found an over grown estate that unfortunately has recently been demolished.

355 La Colina Dr
Inglewood, CA 90302

https://www.openlistings.com/p/355-l...ewood-ca-90302

"Excellent rehab opportunity or development site. This may be the largest house in Inglewood at almost 5,000 sq. Ft. Built in 1922 by Frank Parent, this house has high ceilings, a majestic foot print, in need of a total rehab or a fresh start. Includes lot next door and behind the main property. The lot goes from E. Beach through to La Colina Drive. Motivated Seller.
Features
- Built 1922- Building style: art deco- Fireplace"

More on Frank D. Parent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_D._Parent

Shame it was destroyed and wondering if anyone on here could dig up some more information on the property and pictures.

-Victor in LA

HossC Jan 29, 2019 11:52 PM

:previous:

I haven't found anything about the past of 355 La Colina Drive (I didn't really look), but its future seems to be as a green open space near to the new Inglewood Metro Station. The house was demolished between October 2014 and April 2015, which was shortly after the businesses along the north side of Florence Avenue (just across La Colina Drive) were razed. There's more about the new station on la.curbed.com.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...aColinaDr1.jpg
inglewood.arroyogroup.com (PDF file)

Flyingwedge Jan 30, 2019 3:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8454171)
:previous: This is some amazing sleuth work, HossC, and my hat is off to you! I was puzzled about the locations of both photos. The wings must have traveled a different course than the body, down Sepulveda/Pacific Coast Highway from Lincoln all the way south and east to Wilmington. A very logical route, now that I think about it.


Yes, amazing indeed! (Thanks for IDing the school, too, Hoss.)


The Spruce Goose's wings were moved first, then the hull.


Wednesday, June 12, 1946, Los Angeles Times:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pskazq2mgs.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL


Thursday, June 13, 1946, Los Angeles Times:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pssgd2fvyt.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL

Neither of these articles mentions the specifics of either route or the reason for the different routes.

ethereal_reality Jan 30, 2019 4:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Where do you think the photographer was standing when he took this pic? :shrug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8452557)
I'm putting my money on the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services building at 313 N Figueroa Street.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8452619)
Believe it or not, I think this second picture was also taken from 313 N Figueroa Street.

I believe you are correct Hoss.

1974
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/q8TNDn.jpg
LAPL CENTER: HEALTH SERVICES BLDG. beneath arrow.




Here are two more 1970 slides on ebay. (no doubt from the same photographer)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/VS8Qsn.jpg
ebay

I believe this is proof positive that Hoss is correct.




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4BZhfi.jpg
ebay

foreground: Ahmanson Theater left.....Mark Taper Forum right.

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ScottyB Jan 30, 2019 5:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8454694)
I believe you are correct Hoss.

1974
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/q8TNDn.jpg
LAPL CENTER: HEALTH SERVICES BLDG. beneath arrow.




Here are two more 1970 slides on ebay. (no doubt from the same photographer)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/VS8Qsn.jpg
ebay

I believe this is proof positive that Hoss is correct.




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4BZhfi.jpg
ebay

foreground: Ahmanson Theater left.....Mark Taper Forum right.

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Cool views of the Music Center! I can just about smell the smog.......my lungs are cringing at the memories.

ethereal_reality Jan 30, 2019 5:29 AM

Dorothy Mae Fire
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

I believe that's the sign for the Dorothy Mae Apartments (Google Map puts 821 Sunset at the corner of North Figueroa):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psah3riqcr.jpg

March 27, 1927, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL

The Dorothy Mae burned down in an arson fire on September 4, 1982, and 24 people died.

The Dorothy Mae Fire happened about four months after I moved to L.A. I'm surprised I don't recall that day.


from a 1988 article: LATIMES

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/mH97EJ.jpg

"Near Sunset Boulevard and Figueroa Street, just north of downtown Los Angeles, there is a flurry of construction work taking place these days.
More than 400 apartments are being built to meet the growing demand for housing in the area.

But in the midst of the hammering and sawing, a piece of vacant land at 821 W. Sunset Blvd. remains untouched--dwarfed by the activity around it.
Upon it once sat a 43-unit apartment building, which became the scene of one of the deadliest residential fires in city history.

The Dorothy Mae Apartment Hotel was swept by flames early in the morning of Sept. 4, 1982. Nineteen people, including an unborn baby and its mother,
perished as the fire roared through the 50-year-old, three-story structure. Thirty-six other people were injured, and, within 10 days, six of them had died.

Only the 1973 Stratford Apartments fire, in which 25 people were killed and 52 were injured, was as deadly, Los Angeles fire officials said.


The building was informally known as "Little Salitre" because virtually all its nearly 200 residents came from the rural town of El Salitre in the Mexican state of Zacatecas.
Many fire victims were related to one another.

Authorities said the inferno was a case of arson--the result of an argument between the manager and a nephew, who lived in the building, over the latter's membership
in a street gang, his smoking of marijuana and spray painting of graffiti.

Upset, the nephew, Humberto de la Torre, then 19, brought a dollar's worth of gasoline, threw it on the floor of an apartment and then ignited it with a match,
investigators said. The flames spread quickly, engulfing the building. The uncle, Mateode la Torre, was unhurt in the blaze.

Humberto de la Torre was arrested the following December in Texas, pleaded guilty to 25 counts of murder and in 1985 was sentenced to 625 years in prison.
He is now serving his sentence at Folsom Prison.

The fire rendered even the land itself practically useless for a while, its owners, a group of businessmen holding it for investment, said.

"It was as if the devil himself lived there," said attorney Hiran Kwan, a member of HLL Management Co. that owned the Dorothy Mae, expecting the land's proximity
to the city's growing Chinatown would make it an increasingly valuable site.

Kwan said his group found little interest in its plans to build a new apartment house or hotel on the lot. He blamed adverse publicity stemming from the fire and false rumors
that owners were going to be prosecuted because fire officials had found unsafe conditions that might have contributed to the toll. (Fire Department records showed the building had generally been kept up to city fire code standards and had been cited in the past for only minor violations.)

Kwan's group, which is a major player in the current round of construction near Sunset and Figueroa, sold the Dorothy Mae land in 1984 for $500,000 to another group of businessmen,
headed by Chinatown banker Kenneth Wong.

Wong said his group, U.P. Investment Inc., wants to use the Dorothy Mae site as part of a major hotel and a shopping center development along Sunset.
The group is trying to put together financing for the $19-million project, said Wong, board chairman of United Pacific Bank."








http://articles.latimes.com/1988-03-..._1_dorothy-mae

Martin Pal Jan 30, 2019 6:25 PM

Re: Los Angeles Music Center (above)

If you didn't know, the Music Center plaza is under reconstruction for the first time since it opened. The 40 million dollar project has been underway for just over a year and is scheduled to open in August.

Rendering: CLICK ON THE PHOTO BELOW TO SEE A VERSION OF THE RENDERING AT NIGHT.


https://www.latimes.com/resizer/wDvU...WEHEIILO5A.jpgL.A. Times

Rendering of the new planned entrance for the Music Center plaza. Gentler steps and new escalators lead to an open space (which can be used for an outdoor performing area) with a new restaurant, bar and coffee house, plus permanent restrooms.

The Music Center's website (HERE) about the renovation says it will be "a warm, welcoming public space that offers an open invitation to all and a front door, now even wider, to The Music Center."

I don't know...the space in the rendering doesn't look warm to me, it looks hot...and a bit harsh.

I couldn't find the NLA post where I saw the photo below at first, but I found it on LAPL again. Does the new rendering of the plaza area really look much different than in this photo from 1965, a year after it opened? 7,000 people lined up to buy tickets for Hello, Dolly, which happens to be playing at the Pantages Theatre right now.

http://historiccore.bid/wp-content/u...r_Pavilion.jpgLAPL

ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2019 1:23 AM

per: our very recent discussion about the Health Services Building. (which Hoss pinpointed as the epicenter of the 1970 slides)


Does anyone remember the fire in 1992? (I didn't)

looking NORTH
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/20HWU1.jpg
LAFD

note: The fire appears to have been located in the northeast corner of the building. If that's the case, why is there a small burnt area on the south facing wall?
hmmm....I wonder what that's all about :shrug:


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ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2019 1:27 AM

And here's yet another slide taken from the roof of the Health Services Bldg. in 1970.

looking NORTH
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/3psJgx.jpg
EBAY

That lighter area, in the distance, looks like a freshly harvested field of hay. (from my midwest perspective :farmer:

I spy a Union 76 gas station.

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ethereal_reality Jan 31, 2019 1:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 8454706)
Cool views of the Music Center! I can just about smell the smog.......my lungs are cringing at the memories.

Here's some more of that 1970s smog ScottyB.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/IW3JcX.jpg
ebay / SLIDE 1970




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/vn1jfA.jpg
EBAY

cough. cough...cough...cough.


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Handsome Stranger Jan 31, 2019 4:23 AM

Aerial view of Watts, looking northeast, showing a smog bank covering the city. 13 September 1956.

https://i.postimg.cc/V6kBq8nL/smog.jpg
[source: LAPL]

I wonder what years the smog was at its worst? The situation has definitely improved.

HossC Jan 31, 2019 1:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8452461)

I couldn't help but notice this old building that is..somewhat..hanging off the hillside. (if you look closely there's an old house directly behind it)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/vaLmuU.jpg

Although the appearance is slightly different to the images I found, I believe the building in this photo is 1201 Huntley Drive, and appears to have been offices. In 1973 it housed Robert Clements & Associates and Nikolakopulos & Associates. The 1987 CD lists the Gentry Group Partnership Inc there. I found an article in the LA Times which says the unoccupied building suffered a "very heavy fire" in 2015.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...HuntleyDr1.jpg
LAT

Demo permits indicate that the building was razed soon afterwards. Here's what it looked like from Huntley Drive...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...HuntleyDr2.jpg
GSV

... and here's all that's left:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...HuntleyDr3.jpg
GSV

HossC Jan 31, 2019 1:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8452461)

and this one, that I circled, looks like a mini castle. (it does to me anyway)...but I'm crazy. ;)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/SOiCpS.jpg

I knew we'd visited this area before. I remember posting pictures of Falck Radio at 1260 W Second Street (see here and here), and Godzilla followed up with pictures of Emerald Street behind (see here). From Godzilla's photoset, here's a close-up of the house highlighted by e_r.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...EmeraldSt1.jpg
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:09 AM

:previous: Oh, so what I 'saw' as a squarish turret on the roof was actually the cottages behind it....peeking above the roofline.

ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:25 AM

Here's another view.



Why the large X? .......... I thought it had something to do with the rail line but there aren't any rails.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/WRPGB5.jpg
skyscraperpage

also too.....who lived in that impressive white house at upper right?

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BillinGlendaleCA Feb 1, 2019 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457205)
:previous: Oh, so what I 'saw' as a squarish turret on the roof was actually the cottages behind it....peeking above the roofline. :peekaboo:



Why the X?



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It's where the treasure's buried matey, ARGH.

(Wait, it's NOT 'talk like a pirate day?)

ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:44 AM

This black and white photo was taken on the day of the Health Services Bldg. fire in 1992.

Does LAFD still use OPEN CAB fire trucks?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z1WdEo.jpg
lafd

I've been trying to read the name on the truck....it's SEA...'something'. .....Seagrass? No, that's too weird.
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p.s. Is that a built-in horn/siren directly above the TRUCK ONE license plate?

ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8457215)

It's where the treasure's buried matey, ARGH.

:lmao:

ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:50 AM

one more....

Health Services Fire, 1992.

This view is similar to the color photo I posted yesterday....except, this time, we're looking south, away from the Health Services Bldg. [SIZE="1"](I checked my compass.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/7qLYjg.jpg
LAFD

TRUCK ONE, 'Seagrass' is down there somewhere.


The buildings look 'Soviet Bloc' with the rain stains.

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ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 1:32 AM

This matted photograph of the TITLE INSURANCE BUILDING showed up on ebay yesterday for $125.00.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/8kboTG.jpg
IT APPEARS TO BE GONE ALREADY




REVERSE
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/tqvNKw.jpg
for search purposes: John Parkison and Donald B. Parkison, Architects.





Here's a closer look at what's going on at street level.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/0VoSyu.jpg
DETAIL

note the hotel marquee at left. *googles to find the name of the hotel*

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ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 1:43 AM

:previous:

This bit of California Title Insurance Co. emphemera is still on ebay.

Asking $179.99

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/03fdPh.jpg
EBAY


There is no way this is worth $179.99.

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ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 1:54 AM

But take a look at this one!

Southern California Insurance Company, 1885

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6PoVkD.jpg
ebay


It even includes this envelope!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/M9tVgy.jpg


I'll buy this one! *checks price*


$399.95. :(


nevermind.

Bristolian Feb 1, 2019 2:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457224)
This black and white photo was taken on the day of the Health Services Bldg. fire in 1992.

Does LAFD still use OPEN CAB fire trucks?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z1WdEo.jpg
lafd

I've been trying to read the name on the truck....it's SEA...'something'. .....Seagrass? No, that's too weird.
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p.s. Is that a built-in horn/siren directly above the TRUCK ONE license plate?

Seagrave Fire Apparatus

Founded in 1881 in Detroit

https://seagrave.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagrave_Fire_Apparatus

Mstimc Feb 1, 2019 2:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457224)
This black and white photo was taken on the day of the Health Services Bldg. fire in 1992.

Does LAFD still use OPEN CAB fire trucks?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z1WdEo.jpg
lafd

I've been trying to read the name on the truck....it's SEA...'something'. .....Seagrass? No, that's too weird.
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p.s. Is that a built-in horn/siren directly above the TRUCK ONE license plate?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8457304)
Seagrave Fire Apparatus

Founded in 1881 in Detroit

https://seagrave.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagrave_Fire_Apparatus

Before retiring this past December, I worked for Public Works for a city in the OC. We owned the city's fleet, including the fire trucks. They are amazing pieces of equipment and each is pretty much built custom. And they come with the price tag to show it.


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