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Tourmaline May 21, 2017 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7811389)

A couple things for argument's sake, what is making the marks in the road that cars have traveled over. There's definitely some reason for the dark areas where the tires have driven over and the light areas that weren't.

Also, look at where the P.E. tracks are below the car that's at center left. Doesn't that look like something, whatever it is, is pushed out into the road?

I'm inclined to agree with the others regarding the exposure of the image creating the snow effect. For all we know, it might have been one of the hottest days of the year. :shrug:

If I am not mistaken, the streets in the photo were light-colored concrete rather darker asphalt laden macadam. The light colored streets would have thrown off most light meters, assuming one was even used. The dark areas appear to be contrasting dirt, rubber and oil tracking, which was pretty common for traffic patterns of that period and cars that dripped as much as they drank. If it were snow, or even freaky cold weather, background vegetation does not seem impacted, e.g., plenty of leaves. :shrug:

Martin Pal May 22, 2017 2:00 AM

:previous:

HossC indicates he traced the photo to:


Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7811345)
I traced the photo to Mary Austin & Scott on Flickr. It's dated 1943, and there's no mention of snow in the description. While I can see that the lighter areas look like they could be snow, the lack of any visible snow in the park or on the roofs (as mentioned by Earl) makes me doubt that theory.

I'm dubious of dates on things, but there was snowfall in 1944...so that might be one thing. Regarding visible snow in the park, I was looking up snow photos posted on NLA today and there are some photos where the road/roadside is snowy, but the hillsides are not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7811464)
Can anybody figure out where the photographer was standing?
Cheers,
Earl

I'm 99% sure the photo was taken from a window or the roof of the Marquis Movie Theatre building, AMPAS took it over in 1946. This is the outside:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6581013)
Academy Award Theater, 9038 Melrose Avenue, circa 1951
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/841/a5c2.jpg
ebay
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It's on the bottom right of Dennis Hoppper's Double Standard photo.

http://blogs.getty.edu/pacificstanda...-x-24-in_d.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7811467)
I'm inclined to agree with the others regarding the exposure of the image creating the snow effect. For all we know, it might have been one of the hottest days of the year. :shrug:

When I first looked at the photo that's what it reminded me of. A very hot day. But, then, I always ask, too, what would be the purpose of taking that photo, otherwise?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7811467)
If I am not mistaken, the streets in the photo were light-colored concrete rather darker asphalt laden macadam. The light colored streets would have thrown off most light meters, assuming one was even used. The dark areas appear to be contrasting dirt, rubber and oil tracking, which was pretty common for traffic patterns of that period and cars that dripped as much as they drank.

Here's a photo of the Cahuenga Pass, February 16, 1943, with similar road markings and white areas that would look more pronounced if over-exposed.

http://waterandpower.org/2%20Histori..._Pass_1943.jpgUSC Digital Libraries

Unless we had weather reports each day from the L.A. Times or Herald, I don't want to erase the possibility!

Martin Pal May 22, 2017 2:14 AM

Well, since I've been searching NLA for snow posts and googling photos and past weather information and such,
here's a few more snow related photos from Los Angeles and environs that I didn't see posted when I
searched the forum.

It's HOT in L.A. today and (it was 94° yesterday) so maybe that's why I'm interested
in snow today.


1932

North Curson Street, between Sunset and Hollywood Blvd.
(The date on top is the magazine publication.)

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/looking-...nal%20snow.jpg
Harry Vallejo


Judith Wood, Paramount screen player who is recovering from an automobile accident, forgot the doctor’s orders and
dashed out into the storm shortly after five o’clock. (photo – Paramount, January 15 1932)


https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8029/2...550cb577_b.jpg
Paramount


1932- Hollywood, CA - View of Hollywood Blvd at dawn in the recent snow storm.

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id515180556
Getty Images


1932, Snow in Silverlake on Allesandro Ave.
(Futterer, Holyland Exhibition, 1932. From the Holyland Exhibition, facing the Whitmore Red Car Trolley Stop on Allesandro Ave.)

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/kzP...b03585_o.0.jpg
Corralitas Red Car Property

Martin Pal May 22, 2017 2:15 AM

1948

Universal Studios after a 1948 snow storm.

https://www.linktv.org/sites/kl/file...00022470_0.jpg
Security Pacific National Bank Collection – LAPL


North Hollywood after a rare snowfall in 1948.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...7cnau92jpg.jpg
LAPL


1948, Greenleaf and Van Nuys – Sherman Oaks

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Md9z_-LK7q...enleaf1948.jpg
Museum of the San Fernando Valley


Snow blankets the San Fernando Valley in 1948. Looking south on Lindley Avenue from Nordhoff Street.

http://waterandpower.org/1%20Histori...1948scaled.jpg
Water & Power Associates

Martin Pal May 22, 2017 2:17 AM

1949

The following three photographs are attributed to 1949 by their owner, but the title of the blog post is:
MORE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE GREAT SNOW OF 1949 or was it 1948


Atoll Street, North Hollywood, 1949.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9u9p6kfzxU...00/snow+1+.jpg
Museum of the San Fernando Valley


Same house, Atoll Street, North Hollywood, 1949.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-auZMRcKR58...00/snow+2+.jpg
Museum of the San Fernando Valley


Looking down Atoll Street, North Hollywood, 1949.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lbz5_2IEYo...0/SNOW+8++.jpg
Museum of the San Fernando Valley


Welcome to Irvine, 1949.

http://irvinehistory.org/wp-content/...rvine-1949.jpg
Irvine Historical Society


Central Avenue, Irvine, 1949.

http://irvinehistory.org/wp-content/...al-Avenue.jpeg
Irvine Historical Society

A commenter, Bill Scott, writes: "That particular picture looking down Central Avenue towards the general store
and blacksmith shop , was photographed from in front of the Irvine Bean and Grain Grower’s Association warehouse
manager’s home. Although the snow is long gone, the home was saved and relocated to the Duck Club for use by a
24/7 Water District employee thanks to the efforts of the Irvine Historical Society and the Irvine Water District. This
picture was one of many taken by my mother that morning."



The San Gabriel community of Monterey Park after a 1949 snowstorm.

https://www.kcet.org/sites/kl/files/...ark_1949_0.jpg
Monterey Park History Collection, Monterey Park Bruggemeyer Library


The 1949 snow storm transformed the San Fernando Valley community of Canoga Park into a winter wonderland. (Love this large evocative photo.)

https://www.linktv.org/sites/kl/file...an_13_1949.jpg
USC Libraries – Los Angeles Examiner Collection


Canoga Park High School, 1949 view looking north. Topanga Canyon Blvd is the road on the left side.

http://www.canogaparkhs.org/pics/his...tory_rev6a.jpg
Canoga Park High School


Snow on Lake Avenue, Pasadena, 1949.
This picture was taken from the Santa Fe railroad track crossing between Maple and Curson,
in what is now in the middle of the 210 Freeway, looking north to Maple, with the original
Lake Avenue Congregational Church on the Northwest corner of Maple and Lake, with its
steeple hidden in the low lying mist.
(There's much more location detail at the link.)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...eSnow19492.jpg
Avenue to the Sky


Rocky chaparral foothills stand above a snowy Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena/La Cañada Flintridge, 1949.

https://www.linktv.org/sites/kl/file...e/jpl_snow.jpg
NASA/JPL Archive

Martin Pal May 22, 2017 2:18 AM

1953

A San Bernardino snowman in 1953.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...7cos9utjpg.jpg
USC Libraries - Los Angeles Examiner Collectio

Martin Pal May 22, 2017 2:19 AM

1962

Headlines!

https://www.kcet.org/sites/kl/files/...page_sm_0.jpeg
Los Angeles Times


David and Bob Naranjo drag a toboggan down a Tujunga street after the snowstorm of 1962.

https://www.kcet.org/sites/kl/files/...2_00112343.jpg
Valley Times Collection – LAPL

Martin Pal May 22, 2017 2:20 AM

2007

Snow in Malibu

Jamuary 17, 2007

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4Ag...fa7181_o.0.jpg
Malibu Surfside News

Video Link

Earl Boebert May 22, 2017 3:06 AM

^^^ Can somebody who knows how those streets run tell us whether that is a morning or afternoon shadow?

Cheers,

Earl

tovangar2 May 22, 2017 3:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7811570)

1932- Hollywood, CA - View of Hollywood Blvd at dawn in the recent snow storm.

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id515180556
Getty Images

Wow, gorgeous shot.

That's the Hotel Regent (6162 Hollywood Blvd, built by the Christies) in the distance backed by the Taft Building.

Looking the other way, soon after the 1925 Regent was built:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I_...w=w822-h513-no
historic hotels of hollywood and los angeles

(:previous: the Music Box/ Pix/ Fonda Theater is east of the Hotel Regent across El Centro. A tiny bit of it is visible in the quoted photo too)

ethereal_reality May 22, 2017 4:11 AM

re: 'mystery' fire location #2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge
Here's the Burlington in a 1915 advertisement. It's unfortunate that the porch along Burlington hasn't survived:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...s.jpg~original

The people sitting on that side porch you mentioned FW, would have been looking at this beauty across the street...


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/siwSAi.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33756661@N07/

"Exterior front corner view of the Victorian Shingle style residence of wholesale grocer Hans Jevne at 849 South Burlington Avenue, on the northwest corner
of 9th Street and Burlington Avenue, Los Angeles, circa 1890. Three women are standing in the doorway. Samuel and Joseph Carter Newsom were the architects.
The house was finished in 1887 at a cost between $10,000 and $12,000."
-ozfan22

Flyingwedge May 22, 2017 5:05 AM

:previous:

And if they looked a little to the left, they would have seen the house across the street on the SW corner at 903 S. Burlington:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...h.jpg~original

William Reagh (1968) at CA State Library


There are building permits to repair chimneys at this house not only in 1933 (April 3) but also 1920 (August 25), apparently
due to damage from the June 21 earthquake in Inglewood that year. The demo permit for this house is dated March 16, 1971.
I wonder if the chimney on the left side of the house survived the February 9, 1971, Sylmar earthquake?

ethereal_reality May 22, 2017 5:07 AM

I believe we may have another mislabeled photograph. (also a mystery location)


"St. Francis, Gas Station and City Hall" – Los Angeles, 1956, Robert Frank

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/ICORpX.jpg
Museum of Fine Art Houston https://www.mfah.org/art/detail/6530...ank%26page%3D7

First of all, I don't believe the statue is St. Francis. It's the statue of Father Serra, right? (now residing in Father Serra Park across from Union Station)
And as you can see, the building described as City Hall is actually the Hall of Justice.
City Hall isn't visible in the photograph.

So where was the Father Serra statue located in 1956? (the year the photograph was taken)
I realize that is Fort Moore Hill at far right, but I can't pinpoint the exact location of the statue.
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tovangar2 May 22, 2017 5:21 AM

Hans Jevne residence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7811636)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/siwSAi.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33756661@N07/

"Exterior front corner view of the Victorian Shingle style residence of wholesale grocer Hans Jevne at 849 South Burlington Avenue, on the northwest corner
of 9th Street and Burlington Avenue, Los Angeles, circa 1890. Three women are standing in the doorway. Samuel and Joseph Carter Newsom were the architects.
The house was finished in 1887 at a cost between $10,000 and $12,000."
-ozfan22


As oldstuff once noted, by 1920 the Jevnes had moved to 910 S. San Rafael Avenue, Pasadena:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3e...A=w645-h477-no
google maps


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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7811666)

"St. Francis, Gas Station and City Hall" – Los Angeles, 1956, Robert Frank

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/ICORpX.jpg
Museum of Fine Art Houston https://www.mfah.org/art/detail/6530...ank%26page%3D7

So where was the Father Serra statue located in 1956? (the year the photograph was taken)

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It's extremely hard to get one's bearings anymore. Spring and Arcadia looks a little close to the Hall of Justice and Sunset too far, but Calisphere says Sunset and Broadway:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uL...g=w721-h546-no
google maps

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/eh...g=w853-h563-no
baist 1921 plate 3

I'm guessing (what's now) Chavez and New High, b/c gas station, but the roads are so reconfigured it's hard to tell:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aH...g=w661-h499-no
lanopalera



On the MFAH copy signed and titled by the artist, it says "City Hall, Los Angeles 1956", nothing else.





ETA:

FWIW, this says the statue was "in the middle of Sunset Blvd":

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cH...Q=w760-h282-no
Los Angeles Plaza, Sacred and Contested Space, Wm David Estrada



And this 1937 Herman J. Schultheis shot (looking west) does make it look as though it's out in the road
(there is a traffic island in the historic shot above. I can't tell if the statue is on it.):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hc...w=w478-h637-no
lapl

LAPL also says Sunset and Broadway.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9A...g=w436-h233-no
lapl (detail)

And there's still a traffic island in approximately the same place. So, looks like a possibility (but it's not "Sunset & Broadway" like the libraries say):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/z0...g=w951-h565-no
gsv

See also: "Monument statue of Father Junipero Serra on the corner of Sunset Boulevard and Spring Street in Los Angeles" from USC DL




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Martin Pal May 22, 2017 7:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7811464)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7811592)
^^^ Can somebody who knows how those streets run tell us whether that is a morning or afternoon shadow?
Cheers,
Earl


Earl, I was on that corner yesterday. I'm saying that the shadows in that photo are probably around noon.

Paul C. Koehler May 22, 2017 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6509549)

I believe that the upper picture was taken after rail service ended. The surface yard just south of the building looks to be a parking lot.

Paul C. Koehler

Paul C. Koehler May 22, 2017 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6516131)
If you glance out the driver's window as you travel south on the 405 to LAX you'll notice what looks a bit like a water tower
with cascading water in front of it.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/203/1tys.jpg
GSV




It turns out the mysterious edifice is Al Jolson's final resting place (built in 1951 and designed by architect Paul revere Williams)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/42/6sy7.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/18/wybz.jpg
ebay



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/716/cvli.jpg
google_earth



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/845/0tw9.jpg
http://www.paulrwilliamsproject.org/...morial-shrine/




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/59/0cw6.jpg
http://www.paulrwilliamsproject.org/...morial-shrine/



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/823/a9vw.jpg
http://www.paulrwilliamsproject.org/...morial-shrine/
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/849/ynjc.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/850/u1u1.jpg
ianefriedman





Al with a rather striking car with a front fender that resembles a cattle guard.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/27/oaz7.jpg
http://myloveofoldhollywood.blogspot.com/

I'm not sure what that is near the front entrance....it looks like a 'guess-your-weight' machine.

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The bottom photo is a picture of a "Bruster" custom body and it could be on any manufactures chassis. A lot were done on Ford chassis.

Paul C. Koehler

BifRayRock May 22, 2017 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7811570)
Well, since I've been searching NLA for snow posts and googling photos and past weather information and such,
here's a few more snow related photos from Los Angeles and environs that I didn't see posted when I searched the forum.


Judith Wood, Paramount screen player who is recovering from an automobile accident, forgot the doctor’s orders and
dashed out into the storm shortly after five o’clock. (photo – Paramount, January 15 1932)


https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8029/2...550cb577_b.jpg
Paramount






January 9, 1930 - Pico Blvd. (formerly Street), east of Union Avenue. (1500 block of Pico Blvd.
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...m.jpg~originalhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...0coll2/id/3685


Contemporary
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...j.jpg~originalGoogleSVU



http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...r.jpg~original




Notice the snow chains.
1913 - at or near Winston Street Garage (122-124 Winston Street) (Source suggests this is in Long Beach. :shrug:)
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...r.jpg~originalhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/13445


126-122 Winston Street
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...v.jpg~originalGoogleSVU



I include this image since, at first glance, one might argue the ground looks like it is deceptively covered in slush.
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...m.jpg~original


In case you are wondering, it is from this familiar1912- image of the Hotel "Snow."
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...p.jpg~originalhttp://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/12562

http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=21501





odinthor May 22, 2017 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7810887)
[...]
This area is interesting too, to me anyway, because of the fascinating, but unsolvable mystery of the location of the previous Plaza (there may have been more than one according so some accounts).

Here's one guess:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/iO...A=w444-h510-no
nopalera

From my notes on the Plaza: “The location of the [original 1781] public square would nearly correspond to the following lines: The southeast corner of Upper Main and Marchessault streets for the southern or southeastern corner of the square; the east line of Upper Main street, from the above named corner, one hundred varas in a northerly direction, for the east line of the square; the eastern line of New High street for the western line of the square; and the northern line of Marchessault street for the southern line of the square” (Centennial History, p. 21); Narciso Botello, an 1833-1834 arrival, and, with only short interruptions, continuously in L.A. thereafter until his death, rented a structure in 1834 from Jonathan Temple, which structure he stated to have been on the old Plaza, north of the church (Narciso Botello's Annals, my translation and edition, paragraph 12), which agrees with the information supplied in the Centennial History; Ygnacio Garcia, eventual centenarian who first came to L.A. in 1825, stated that the previous Plaza lay southwest of the present one (article in Los Angeles Times, April 23, 1896; likely this was just a slip for northwest); “The new Plaza was laid out at the present site on Main Street in 1818” (Hafen & Hafen, Old Spanish Trail, p. 35); one could guess that it was the new church’s being put into service in 1826 which, because it faced on the new Plaza, reinforced the new Plaza’s importance and thus sent the old Plaza into its final decline (I don’t know of any references to its existence continuing after 1834, the year Botello refers to), and the site of the new Plaza had apparently remained unbuilt-upon because it was used, or intended for use, as a cemetery: “The present plaza was first used as a cemetery” An Illustrated History of Los Angeles County California, 1889 or perhaps 1891, p. 50 footnote.

Paul C. Koehler May 22, 2017 5:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6533435)
The whole movie was uploaded to YouTube last week - I don't know how long it will stay there. It's ages since I watched a hour of silent comedy, but it was very enjoyable, especially the mirror scene near the start.

YouTube link: Seven Years Bad Luck

The mystery house only appears in the last five minutes, and there's no context to give a clue to its location. I didn't spot the mountains either. Here's a couple of close-ups which appear to be taken on the steps in front of the house. NB. I've grayscaled all the screengrabs and tweaked the levels in an attempt to make them clearer.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...evenYears1.jpg

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...evenYears2.jpg

More risque bathing beauties! It looks like the house had a pool and gardens.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...evenYears3.jpg

Other locations were easier to spot. All insets are from the 1921 CD at the LAPL.

The A Brownstein & Co. building means that this is La Grande Station.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...evenYears4.jpg

The Egbert Brothers building was on the corner of Buena Vista Street. The old courthouse would've been just off the left of the picture, but is never seen in the movie. It looks like they used the real county jail (behind the camera).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...evenYears5.jpg

The sign is a little blurry, but appears to say Mansheffer Drugs. These buildings have now gone.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...evenYears6.jpg

I couldn't read the sign on this station. I wonder if anyone recognizes it.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...evenYears7.jpg

I also can not read the sign, but I will say its a Southern Pacific Train. Also the station sign on the end of the building is typical of Southern Pacific Signs. In further studing the picture, there is a third track. Its possible the station is "Tropico" now known as Glendale.

Paul C. Koehler


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