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Flyingwedge Aug 4, 2016 1:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7521023)

Excellent post on the lost homes of Ardmore Flyingwedge.


:previous:This is a great looking house. (How'd you figure out it had been moved?)
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/TvHKbt.jpg
gsv

I checked apartment & real estate sites for interior views (especially of the lobby)... but I came up empty.

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Hey thanks e_r . . . I discovered that 627 Ardmore had been moved to 605 Plymouth from the building permit. I think it was
Beaudry who told us about the LADBS site, so thanks again for that, B.

I couldn't find interior photos of 620 S. Ardmore either, but its certificate of occupancy was issued March 21, 1924. Here's a
snip from the August 16, 1923, building permit:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...e.jpg~original
LADBS

UphillDonkey Aug 4, 2016 5:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7519774)
From the Times, Feb 28, 1925
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...9%2BPM.bmp.jpg


Well, the church went missing...sort of.

None of the directions in this item make much sense to me-- Wilson Foster is listed at 2521 Silver Lake Court in the 25CD... the only Silver Lake Court I've found is one that's the subject of stair walks--

http://climbingla.blogspot.com/2010/...ake-court.html

https://lifeabsorbed.com/2012/09/19/...er-lake-court/


Couldn't find a map of the Court--- maybe you can, ER.

Silver Lake Avenue, however, does intersect with Lake View Avenue as a stair street. It then climbs to Silver Ridge Avenue.

https://s6.postimg.org/upm554ku9/Scr...9_51_33_PM.png

JeffDiego Aug 4, 2016 5:33 AM

Ardmore Blvd. Ghost
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7521187)
Hey thanks e_r . . . I discovered that 627 Ardmore had been moved to 605 Plymouth from the building permit. I think it was
Beaudry who told us about the LADBS site, so thanks again for that, B.

I couldn't find interior photos of 620 S. Ardmore either, but its certificate of occupancy was issued March 21, 1924. Here's a
snip from the August 16, 1923, building permit:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...e.jpg~original
LADBS

When a mere teenager, I was fascinated by a book by Hans Holzer, "world's foremost ghost hunter." I see he still has at least 15 books available at Amazon. This one was about ghosts of California - or possibly Los Angeles. There was a chapter entitled "The Ardmore Boulevard Ghost," and it was particularly creepy. It involved a woman who lived alone in a house there and asked for Holzer's help. I looked the subject up online today and there are some references to "The Ardmore Blvd. Ghost" with a disclaimer that the residents of the house don't wish the address to be published and that visitors are not welcome.

ethereal_reality Aug 4, 2016 3:13 PM

Recently I had a request asking how to post photographs on the thread, so if you don't mind I am going to do a quick tutorial.

Mind you, the following instructions are for the website Imageshack. (the website I personally use)
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Once you've uploaded your photograph to Imageshack.

#1 Left click on the three horizontal gray lines below your photograph on the right side. A black panel will appear.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/6E48U2.jpg

Left click on in the white area at the top of the black panel..."Get Image sizes or links"

A white horizontal rectangle will appear, as shown below.

#2 Left click on the small gray triangle to choose which Type.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/CHXaW1.jpg

Left click on Forum.


#3 Next, left click on the other small gray triangle to choose the 'Size'. (a vertical panel of options will appear)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/UfYexf.jpg

Left click on the size you want.
1024 x 768 is a good size to use. (as is 800 x 600, which is slightly smaller)
I often use 1280 x 1024. (this size pretty much fills my computer screen)



#4 RIGHT click on the highlighted code.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/UuT7OM.jpg





#5 Another panel will appear and Right click on 'Copy'

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/XRQ2DW.jpg





#6 Then return to the forum and Right click 'Paste' into the post.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/US2P56.jpg



Now the code is in your post. (I hope :))
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/HrmpCz.jpg


If you happen to use a different site other than Imageshack, HossC is a good person to ask for help.

Ed Workman Aug 4, 2016 3:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 7521154)
I guess it never registered on me that LA streetcars hooked up together.

I thought they were like today's buses, an individual one coming along every so often. Although now that I think about it, I've often seen buses in pairs.

A few details
Those aren't streetcars, kind of. The train is bound, almost certainly, for Glendale, and as such will traverse a few miles of private right of way. And it started at the Subway Terminal, running a mile or so deep underground .
Parts of the tunnel remain. Other trains used 6th and Main and had to traverse city streets up to Aliso , then over the river to private RoW- Those few blocks and the bridge were significant in killing the PE lines to Pasadena and El Monte. Going south PE reached PRoW around 9th St and lasted longer.
The Narrow gage streetcars of the LA Ry ran single. There was a period when trailers- unpowered cars towed by a powered car, were tried, but the difficulties in downtown traffic, etc outweighed the advantages and use was discontinued in the 30s. Railroad Boosters ran an excursion ca 1937 as a last HOOrah.
The line on San Pedro Street south of Aliso was owned by the Los Angeles Municipal Railway, much of it dual gage. It was built by PE for the LAMuni and leased to PE and LARy. Before it was built all red and yellow [ and probably blue cars] used Main St and created a nightmare. The San Pedro St line was suggested in a report by Bion J Arnold an electrical engineer and traction expert based in Chicago.

THe busses you have noticed are "Bendy-busses" [a British term if you watch Top Gear BBC] , articulated in the middle rather than two separate vehicles- well AFAIK, I keep as far away from the metropoli as I can, as much as I can

ethereal_reality Aug 4, 2016 3:40 PM

'mystery' location.[ca.1960]

"Terry Norton, 14, holding sign, and Laurin Latimer, 13, picked up some vacation money today selling lemonade to construction workers
on the Golden State Freeway. The youths live in Atwater district."


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/vTjLwZ.jpg
http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla....latimes%3A665

Does anyone recognize the rather interesting buildings in the background?






Here's a closer look at the buildings in the distance.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/LHisrm.jpg
detail

Is that a covered oil well or a windmill over there on the far right--->




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ethereal_reality Aug 4, 2016 4:23 PM

once more
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/H3GckQ.jpg
eBay


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/PDbYnI.jpg
detail

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 7519791)
The first line reads "Hamarson Oil Co." I'm mostly guessing that the second line reads "Long Beach".

I found a couple of Google hits for Hamarson Oil, the more promising one from the Long Beach Independent Press-Telegram from June 14, 1953.
If anyone has a newspapers.com subscription, feel free to explore. At least we've verified that the name on the tank is plausible.

I suspect that the photo was taken along PE's Daisy Ave. line, which provided a freight-only entrance into Long Beach. Most of this line was abandoned by late 1945,
but the segment from Fairbanks Yard (south of Anaheim St.) to Pacific Coast Highway remained in service as of the date of the photo.

Today, the neighborhood along that stretch of Daisy Ave. is light industrial, with most structures post-dating the photo, and no sign of the oil tanks.

:previous: Hoss would you mind checking some vintage aerials to see if there was once a small cluster of oil tanks in the area mentioned by HH. (the date of the photo is 1949)


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*I just found a map that shows three Hamarson Oil Co. plugged and abandoned wells.

Here's a detail of the map

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/6iiy7t.jpg




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/pSuYHi.jpg

To see the complete map go here:
ftp://ftp.consrv.ca.gov/pub/oil/maps...127/Map127.pdf

To be honest, other than finding the three Hamarson sites, I couldn't make heads or tails out of the map.

& unless I overlooked it, there's no date on the map.

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HenryHuntington Aug 4, 2016 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7521586)
'mystery' location.[ca.1960]

Does anyone recognize the rather interesting buildings in the background?

Here's a closer look at the buildings in the distance.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/LHisrm.jpg
detail

Is that a covered oil well or a windmill over there on the far right--->

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It's the western end of the Glendale-Hyperion Bridge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glendale-Hyperion_Bridge

One error in the Wikipedia description: PE's Glendale-Burbank line was converted to busses in June, 1955.

In any case, a quick trip (had to be, I was on the freeway) in the Googlemobile plus a Google Earth flyover suggest that those buildings were sacrificed for the entrance ramp from Riverside Drive. Time for a city directory check if I get a chance later this afternoon.

Earl Boebert Aug 4, 2016 5:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7521641)
To see the complete map go here:
ftp://ftp.consrv.ca.gov/pub/oil/maps...127/Map127.pdf

To be honest, other than finding the three Hamarson sites, I couldn't make heads or tails out of the map.

& unless I overlooked it, there's no date on the map.

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Well, it's a map of part of the legendary Wilmington oil field, showing all the holes they punched in the ground and then later abandoned. According to Wikipedia, this caused severe subsidence which was countered by pumping water back in starting in the 1950s, so the map probably dates from then. There is no indication as to what the colors of the well identifiers signify. Some wells have names, these are generally, but not always, big producers.

Google Earth shows most of the heavily drilled areas remain open space for parking and container storage.

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Aug 4, 2016 7:03 PM

:previous: Thanks for clarifying and approximately dating the map Earl. I appreciate it.

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ethereal_reality Aug 4, 2016 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 7521706)
It's the western end of the Glendale-Hyperion Bridge.

Oh my, so what I thought might be a covered oil well, is actually a pylon on the Glendale-Hyperion bridge.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/diKKSK.jpg
ucla

Good eye HenryHuntington! I'd treat you to some lemonade if you lived closer. ;)
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HenryHuntington Aug 4, 2016 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7521641)
once more
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/H3GckQ.jpg
eBay


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/PDbYnI.jpg
detail


:previous: Hoss would you mind checking some vintage aerials to see if there was once a small cluster of oil tanks in the area mentioned by HH. (the date of the photo is 1949)


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Another possible location for the above photo would be the PE-SP Freight House at 7th St. and Pico Ave. That might explain a couple of artifacts in the photo:

- PE 1615 is shown with its trolley pole secured down, there aren't any crew members visible and a caboose is the only car in tow; such would indicate that 1615 has been "tied down" (gone out of service) for the day. The freight house would be a logical place for such.

- About two-thirds of the way up the left edge of the photo, we can see a corner eave, which might have been part of the freight station.

Tracks on the west side of the flood control channel led to Long Beach Harbor and so would've justified assignment of a first-line locomotive such as 1615 to handle the heavy volume of freight, whereas the Daisy Ave. industrial lead might not have.

If indeed the photo was taken at the Long Beach Freight Station, there won't be much remaining geographic evidence of its existence. That neighborhood has been taken up by the Long Beach Freeway/Shoreline Drive/W. 9th St. interchange.

I'll re-look for on-line access to a Long Beach city directory from that era, as I don't think there were too many Mobil service stations that also had a cafe attached.

UphillDonkey Aug 4, 2016 8:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 7521706)
It's the western end of the Glendale-Hyperion Bridge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glendale-Hyperion_Bridge

One error in the Wikipedia description: PE's Glendale-Burbank line was converted to busses in June, 1955.

In any case, a quick trip (had to be, I was on the freeway) in the Googlemobile plus a Google Earth flyover suggest that those buildings were sacrificed for the entrance ramp from Riverside Drive. Time for a city directory check if I get a chance later this afternoon.

The buildings to the left still exist, they are on Riverside Drive and are now part of Caliber Collision which also occupies the building that replaced the one with the arcaded facade next to the bridge.

CityBoyDoug Aug 4, 2016 8:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UphillDonkey (Post 7521942)
The buildings to the left still exist, they are on Riverside Drive and are now part of Caliber Collision which also occupies the building that replaced the one with the arcaded facade next to the bridge.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psrsrwx0dx.jpg
google SV

ethereal_reality Aug 4, 2016 8:42 PM

Originally posted by GW
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/R6jyrP.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=36198
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7519774)
None of the directions in this item make much sense to me-- Wilson Foster is listed at 2521 Silver Lake Court in the 1925 City Directory.
... the only Silver Lake Court I've found is one that's the subject of stair walks.

I couldn't find a map of the Court--- maybe you can, ER.

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I couldn't find a map GW, but could this be the place where Wilson Foster lived in 1925?

"Silver Lake Court at 2500 Glendale Blvd. in July, 1938."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/Dt3Q3l.jpg
http://losangelespast.blogspot.com/2...lake-auto.html

This is actually Scott's mom. (If I remember correctly, he posted this on NLA in the early days of the thread.


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"The 67 unit Silver Lake Court. Resort Atmosphere in the heart of the City, well known for its Hospitality and Service. Rates Most Reasonable."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/PfcTwg.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/T7WL0B.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7...eblvdsilve.jpg *I first posted this back in June 2010, when the thread was only a year old!

The newspaper article GW posted said the 'radio' speaker was stolen from it's 10 foot high perch in an eucalyptus tree.

I believe those are eucalyptus trees on the left.
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Flyingwedge Aug 4, 2016 8:44 PM

Return to Monkey Island
 
Long-time NLA readers will know we've covered this place before -- a lot -- but we've never really seen a photo of the
attraction other than in distant aerial shots or closeups of the monkeys in their enclosure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6361189)


This HDL photo is also at the California State Library, where it is dated 1940. The CSL copy was posted to NLA, but it has
disappeared because it was hotlinked:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps12b2aca6.jpg
488295 @ Huntington Digital Library and
California State Library


This undated photo has also disappeared from NLA because it was hotlinked:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pszjsk8cbs.jpg
California State Library


We've seen Monkey Island in a drawing:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew (Post 6360392)
:eek: Wow! I've waited a long time to see Monkey Island! This matches the 1940s aerial photographs I've seen on NLA, so I think NLA already found the location.

I love the 1930s Streamline Moderne look too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5492/1...e6c5690a_o.jpg
Monkey Island by matthew_dumont, on Flickr

Source: http://libraryarchives.metro.net


Here Monkey Island's location is mostly hidden by the clump of trees below the little arrow next to MichaelRyerson's
name (we're looking north at the Barham bridge over the 101):

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7374904)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1445/...4ec121cd_b.jpgLooking north in Cahuenga Pass at the Barham Boulevard Bridge, ca.1947

Rather murky snapshot but really interesting look at the mid-40s traffic pattern at the northernmost reach of the new, improved Cahuenga roadway. Notice the northbound lanes, on the right, exit and cross over to Cahuenga Boulevard and continue into the San Fernando Valley on what then becomes Ventura Boulevard. The southbound traffic originates at the same terminus coming onto the southbound lanes at the onramp as they pass the Barham Boulevard bridge. cool. We're apparently a few years too late to see any part of Monkey Island and perhaps a couple of years before Wax Seal arrives.

www.rdforum.org


We've seen its location from directly overhead (again, that's the Barham bridge over the 101 in the lower right corner):

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7375062)
Here's the progress in 1948. The left/right zig-zag for northbound drivers is still clearly visible as the new roadway edges around the corner, past the future site of Universal Studios. We've previously established that Monkey Island is shown on Historic Aerial's 1948 image (it's roughly dead center here), so it must be behind the trees in the view above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gaBlvd1948.jpg
Historic Aerials


In this November 13, 1948, aerial we get a peek over that clump of trees and can see Monkey Island a bit better:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...s.jpg~original
00115014 @ LAPL


The March-April 1949 issue of California Highways and Public Works has this photo looking south at the 101 and the
Barham bridge. Those two large blobs to the right of center, just west of the freeway, look to me like the remains of
Monkey Island. Does anyone agree?

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...6.jpg~original
Metro Archives


May 2016 looking south on W. C. Fields Drive and the 101 toward Barham:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psnclpcpry.jpg
GSV

HossC Aug 4, 2016 9:37 PM

I've mentioned the name Wailes-Bageman a couple of times recently because they commissioned some of the Julius Shulman pictures I've posted. Now I've found pictures of their plant. This is "Job 62: Wailes-Bageman Plant, 1947". The owners were Charles D Wailes and Fred J Bageman.
N.B. I've picked the most interesting three of the six images in the set.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

The company made prefabricated concrete.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Finally, here's some of their stock in a yard next to the railroad.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

I could only find an office address in the CDs (816 W 5th Street), so I was glad when I traced some of the other companies in the first picture. Here are a couple of detail views. In the distance on the left there's the Sears warehouse in Boyle Heights, but that's not a huge help. In the foreground is the machine shop of M P McCaffrey Inc at 2121 E 25th Street. On the right you can easily read the sign for the Repcal Brass Mfg Co at 2115 E 27th Street. A little harder to read is the black on white roof sign further down the street which belonged to the Western Gasket & Packing Co at 2331 E 27th Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Detail of first Shulman picture

That means that the concrete plant must have been in this area around 27th Street in Vernon. The view below is from 1948. You'll only find industrial units there today.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

oldstuff Aug 4, 2016 9:48 PM

Can anyone make out the name of the apartment building in the distance (shown below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/euaS4p.jpg
detail

Poulley?

It is the Polley Apartments. Probably owned and run by James A. and Ella Polley who appear at 1127 Lemoyne Street in the 1940 Census The building is still there and is well kept up. At the top front, were the sign is in the 40's picture is a triangular area made of tiles to form a vent. It is blurry in the old picture but in exactly the right place in the Google picture.

Mr. and Mrs. Polley both worked in Ink and Paint for a motion picture studio in 1940. The 1930 census indicates that he did not have an occupation but that he did own the building. Mr Polley was born in Canada in 1877 and came to the US in 1891.

ethereal_reality Aug 4, 2016 10:15 PM

:previous: Excellent oldstuff!

Here's the building, although it isn't as tall as I expected.

I circled where it used to say "Polley Apts."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/uosERC.jpg
gsv

The property was built in 1926.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angele...6/home/7053078

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HossC Aug 4, 2016 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 7521877)

I'll re-look for on-line access to a Long Beach city directory from that era, as I don't think there were too many Mobil service stations that also had a cafe attached.

The 1948 Long Beach CD only has two gas stations that mention Mobil in their name:

John & Bob's Mobil Service 3393 Long Beach Boulevard
Wings Mobil Service 3395 Atlantic Avenue

By 1951/1952 (the next available CD), there are 21:

Bob's Mobil Service 292 Alamitos Avenue
Brook's Mobil Gas Station 245 W 3rd
Corbett's Mobil Service 4625 E 2nd
Fingado's Mobil Services 551 W Anaheim
Gieck Mobil Service 142 E Anaheim
Hal's Mobil Service 3735 E Broadway
William N Hess Mobil Service Station 3401 E 7th
Joe's Mobil Service 1666 W Pacific Coast
McCleary Mobil Service 5952 E 2nd
Monte's Mobil Service 146 E 7th
Paul's Mobil Service 3598 Atlantic Avenue
Peterson's Mobil Service 1095 E 10th
Phoenix Mobil Station 2601 Atlantic Avenue
Rivers Mobil Service 2002 E Pacific Coast
Sorenson's Mobil Service 2841 E Anaheim
Vince's Mobil Service 2590 Lakewood Boulevard
Weed's Dick Mobil Service 4801 E 2nd
Willow & Delta Mobil Gas 1395 W Willow
Wisdom's Mobil Service 701 W Pacific Coast
Yowell & Morgan Mobil Service 2337 E 7th
Zeigler Mobil Service 1942 E 10th

None of the listings mention a cafe.

I've done a bit of checking with Historic Aerials, but so far I haven't found anything likely. Their earliest image for this area is 1953.


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