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"Buses at the Macy Yards." (1950s?)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/19qpQB.jpg ebay At extreme right there's a propped up wooden wall with a scalloped top, as well as a building next to it. Also, the bridge in the distance has wooden supports underneath on either side of the span (makes it look more like a trestle). __ |
Lamar Street
Hats off to Ed Workman, Looking4OldLA, Killeye, and fhammon on the Lamar Street 950. I am convinced you all are right because of the Sanborn maps below. I've made notes on both the maps and photos. The buildings line up well.
South end of line (cafes): http://i.imgur.com/II3y76R.jpg Corresponding Sanborn map: http://i.imgur.com/R496lWE.jpg LAPL This shows the original location of the San Antonio Winery at 737 Lamar (champagne of course!). On the east side of the street is a bungalow court (762, dark blue) and, circled in purple, a couple of old gasoline pumps (?). The front grill of the light-colored car in front of Thelma's looks like a prehistoric fish. Stuff of nightmares. 950 seen a block north of the above: http://i.imgur.com/6n2xpQY.jpg ...and the Sanborn map: http://i.imgur.com/sJ7CBL9.jpg LAPL The Sanborn map does not show the track division (for passing?) but it does show the one floor porch (green) on the apartment at 649 (red). The city directories do not reveal who cafe-mistresses Thelma or Amelia were. Amelia's was owned by Richard and Frances Lasky. Thelma's was run by Edward and Barbara Schneider. The Santa Fe wines, prominently advertised on the south side of the Celaya Grocery, were products of the Santa Fe Vintage Company, according to a 1955 trade paper, "the largest and by far the most important winery in the Los Angeles district and located in downtown Los Angeles." - see http://www.oldandsold.com/articles02/losangeles2.shtml. Something bothered me about the trolley pictures: The sign (maroon circle) present on one is absent on the other. The Lamar street track just ends without any turnaround. The trolley pole suggests the Thelma's picture was taken just as 950 started heading back north towards Main Street. The Celaya picture shows the car still headed south, so I guess it was taken first. Apparently someone had to get out at the end of the line and manually switch the head sign to the other end of the car? Celaya is a city in Guanajuato, Mexico. The CDs indicate the grocery was run by Ezequiel Ramos and persisted at least until 1956: http://i.imgur.com/KXeB2RL.jpg LAPL |
Yost?
Have we seen this on Noirish LA before?
Any ideas what? Where? WTF? http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...15/01/yost.jpg |
Are those owls on the former Owl Drug Store?
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I think the signs say "Yost Sweet Shop" and they obviously were selling ice cream cones in addition to "Eastside Soda-Water." A minor googling found: http://www.ca-yd.com/textfile/bottles/ACLWEB_E.HTM which lists bottles of "Eastside Beverages" produced by the "Los Angeles Brewing Co. of San Bernardino [sic]. Fwiw, those mountains in the back of the shot could be the San Bernardinos... |
Another streetcar picture from eBay. The seller has this one labeled as San Pedro, 8/1958.
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...o.jpg~original eBay The Tourist Hotel on the left didn't help to narrow down the location, but then I remembered the image below which I originally posted in post #18577. The building on the far left of the picture above is the San Pedro Pacific Electric Station on S Harbor Boulevard. It's now the site of Gibson Park, although the Downtown Station for the restored Red Cars is close by. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...EStationSP.jpg www.portoflosangeles.org - Lo-res. www.portoflosangeles.org - Hi-res. |
Streetcar Dash Signs and #950
PR and LARy Dash signs were set on two hooks and placed on the car just before departure from the carhouse, or other terminal points. The sign was on the front, so prospective passengers could identify the route to be taken- note on the maps that several routes used the same streets as they got closer to downtown. I can't read the dash sign on 950, but as I cautioned previously, the sign may or may not be correct- fantrips were a chance to make a photograph of a car with any sign of choice, for various reasons- unless it sez 'Railraod Boosters" beware. Loops were seldom used until the streamlined PCC cars were assigned to a route. The loop at LAUPT and possibly Pico/Rimpau being exceptions, Older cars were 'reversed' by setting switches on the controllers- one each end, raising and lowering poles to correspond to the new direction , and changing the dash sign In some cases the sign might read for the OTHER end of the line. Oh here was one set of control handles- the motoman kept them in his possesion and out of the hands of potential miscreants at the back platform After the fender ordinance was passed, changing ends could have required hauling the heavy fender - the basket like thingy- from back to front. When the PSS arrived in the late 30s , the external fender was allowed to be replaced by the "Lifeguard" under the platforms. However, it took some effort apparently to convince the City that lifeguards were ok- LARY prepared a drawing that depicted how to mount the b folding basket Eclipse fender on the new cars- Rather like a large mustache on a pretty lady. INstead of catching the wayward pedestrian in front of the car, a vertical lattice just under the front tripped another lattice farther back but ahead of the wheels. The front of that lattice fell to the ground to scoop up the unfortunates |
mystery' location. (recently found on ebay)
by Ethereal Reality PE blimp on the ramp The car will turn to the left [its right] and be on San Pedro Street,headed south on the tracks of the Los Angeles Municipal Railway. Although the stub terminal tracks at 6th and main had been extended over Los Angeles St., all movements off Main into the terminal had to reverse and re-enter Main. Main had dual gage tracks to serve LARy and PE, so the crush of cars overwhelmed Main St. Bion Arnold, a consultant from CHicago proposed that PE lines extend to new tracks on San Pedro so that cars could loop thru the terminal one-way, eventually that was accomplished. The City of LA built the line from Aliso to 9th and PE leased it- dunno what financial arrangements LARy made. AT about the same time, LA was concerned about RR access to San Pedro Harbor at the end of the 'Shoestring" annexation, and proposed a municipal line for freight, so there can be confusion . Those plans died when LA et. al. came to terms with SP in a solution local to the harbor. PE owned land across San Pedro, behind the photographer, for extension of the elevated to and across the LA River, but politics and economics prevented that from happening. Had it been realized, perhaps the PE to Pasadena might have survived another decade- as the state highway department would not have needed to evict PE from Aliso St in favor of the 101 |
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The building did house an "Owl Drugstore" as is evidenced by the script on the sign beyond the second streetcar. |
:previous: Thanks for the info. oldstuff. -much appreciated.
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Coincidentally, I found this photograph on ebay last night. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/ZFclWy.jpg ebay -note the Gay bar at extreme left. ;) __ |
Street-car painted for War Bonds.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/O693qs.jpg ebay I'm not sure where this extreme curve was located. __ |
I noticed that this postcard (1960s?) shows one of the two parcels of land that was cleared for the Renaissance Apartment complex.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/BdXnoQ.jpg ebay I didn't realize there had been that many individual buildings at that location. (or across Temple street for that matter, but they've been gone longer) Here's an aerial of that parcel of land. (I've turned it upside down to approximate the vintage postcard) http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/LV6JWv.png google_earth _______________________ The other cleared parcel was the site of the massive Renaissance Apartment fire several months ago. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/i4UVzJ.png ktla http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/WTTu6j.png ktla below: site of the fire. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...661/KCKAwX.png google_earth We've covered the fire here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24962 and here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24963 ....and numerous other posts. _ |
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Do you remember ? A murder was committed in 1952 in front of 663 Lamar Street (Post 9274) - More pics here : http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...oll44/id/41940 There's a museum at San Antonio Winery. If anyone is interested... ;) |
:previous: I agree, Lorendoc's in-depth post was a joy to behold. -and thanks to everyone else who identified Lamar Street.
It isn't exactly a major thoroughfare. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/zZuHbN.png www.bigmapblog.com __ ...and I had forgotten about the 1952 murder at 663 Lamar Street Killeye. MichaelRyerson didn't include this particular photograph in his earlier post, so I thought I'd go ahead and post it here. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/jC1d1c.png http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...oll44/id/41940 It's a bit strange that a couple of the people are smiling for the photograph. ___ http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...661/3CNPGj.png www.spanishdict.com |
"Santa Fe R.R. Roundhouse, Los Angeles Oct. 1949."
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/B2IODj.jpg ebay It appears to be a very gritty place, even back in 1949. __ |
Lamar street today
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According to this wikipedia page [P (Los Angeles Railway)] -- HERE -- this location was most likely the Pico & Rimpau Loop, the Western Terminus of the "P" Line from Rowan & Brooklyn (as seen on the car in the photo). Here's an aerial photo of the location. http://harrymarnell.net/rimpausky.jpgUSGS/Harry Marnell HossC has an excellent post about this area from last April, Post #21088, with several photographs including this one from USC dated April 12, 1937: http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...icoRimlau3.jpg |
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I may be wrong that E_R's War Bond car photo was taken at the Rimpau Loop. I discovered this photo: http://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...Rowan-loop.jpgRalph Cantos Collection ...which has this information: Los Angeles Railway PCC no. 3016 models the first of the World War II patriotic-themed paint jobs. In this October 1942 view, the 3016 awaits its departure time at the very busy Dozier & Rowan loop at the east end of the P line. The colors of the car were red-white-and blue. The 3016 was officially dubbed "The Victory Special." So, the photo may be (?) at the other end of the line at the Dozier & Rowan loop, and the building behind the car in the photo does look like the building in E_R's post, though I cannot find any photos of this particular "loop" as yet. |
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