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ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2015 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 6860686)
666 is marvelous and wonderfully intact—it BETTER get landmarked, and soon. It's an important piece of the Bonnie Brae fabric, and one of our few unmolested Mission apartment buildings (they always tend to lose their parapets and towers and so on). It was built in 1910 and designed by Charles C. Rittenhouse, AKA first Mayor of Tropico (Glendale) and who built about thirty-forty structures around LA. Rittenhouse was quite gifted and that he's largely forgotten now needs to be rectified. (And yes, this does have a certain Bunker Hill quality to it in its massing; relatedly, CCR was the architect of an apartment bldg on Flower btw 2nd and 3rd but I haven't nailed it down yet.)

Beaudry, here's why I'm so worried about 666 S. Bonnie Brae and it's boarded up neighbor.

While searching for additional photos & information on 666. S Bonnie Brae I came across this photograph.*

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/913/924RpU.png
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kansas...an/8351240485/

It shows the 'Italian Villa Apartments' at 746 S. Burlington Avenue; a block away from 666 S. Bonnie Brae.
It was built in 1922 by Thos. B. Morrison.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...911/pB7nSm.png
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kansas...an/8352300434/


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/i3YxH7.png
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kansas...an/8351240485/


When I drove the google-mobile over to Burlington to check it out, I was startled to see that it has been swallowed up by a mega-unit apartment building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/ku03DR.png
google_earth

The massive new building stretches from Burlington to Beacon.



below: Here's the former site of the 1922 'Italian Villa Apartments' at 746 S. Burlington Avenue. :(

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/vXXUzh.png
GSV


below: Here's the Beacon Avenue side of the mega-unit apartment building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/TD3rYo.png
GSV

The new building looks cheap, and the loss of the 'Italian Villa' apartment, that stood on that spot for 90 years, is tragic.
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UPDATE:

*On flickr, the Kansas_Sebastian photograph of the old 'Italian Villa' is labeled 2013; yet when I went back and looked at the 2007 GSV the 'Italian Villa' was already gone.
Could K_Sebastian have the address wrong? -or is the 2013 date incorrect? Sorry for the confusion....I just noticed this discrepancy.

so-cal-bear Jan 1, 2015 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 6860694)
So here's an image from my collection that I finally scanned, and it got me to thinking, of the (I'd guess) ten people on the planet who'd recognize the location, all ten of them are likely on this thread. New Year's Quiz Time! Where was this taken?

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7580/...f8697ee2_h.jpg

(And does the graffito at left say what I think it does? My word!)

My guess. One Bunker Hill or the old So. Cal Edison building on 5th St.?

Happy new year to all! :cheers:

Beaudry Jan 1, 2015 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6860716)
Beaudry, here's why I'm so worried about 666 S. Bonnie Brae and it's boarded up neighbor.

While searching for additional photos & information on 666. S Bonnie Brae I came across this photograph.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/913/924RpU.png
Kansas_Sebastian at flickr

It shows the 'Italian Villa Apartments' at 746 S. Burlington Avenue; a block away from 666 S. Bonnie Brae.
It was built in 1922 by Thos. B. Morrison.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...911/pB7nSm.png
KansaS_Sebastian at flickr

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/i3YxH7.png


When I drove the google-mobile over to Burlington to check it out, I was startled to see that it has been swallowed up by a mega-unit apartment building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/ku03DR.png
google_earth

The massive new building stretches from Burlington to Beacon.



below: Here's the former site of the 1922 'Italian Villa Apartments' at 746 S. Burlington Avenue. :(

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/vXXUzh.png
GSV


below: Here's the Beacon Avenue side of the mega-unit apartment building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/TD3rYo.png
GSV

The new building looks cheap, and the loss of the 'Italian Villa' apartment, that stood on that spot for 90 years, is tragic.

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Tragic is an exceptionally kind word. Italian Villa was remarkable (my God, look at the original inward-opening windows, and the WOOD!), but the City loves its demo permits.

IV was a better building, IMHO, than—for example—than Morrison's Deighton, billed as such: a fully renovated Los Angeles historic building, The Deighton maintains all the charm of a bygone architectural era (from here) so could not the IV have played up its historic charm, rather than be felled for that...thing?

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7541/...c779b548_o.pnghttps://farm8.staticflickr.com/7583/...0fcede36_z.jpg

Beaudry Jan 1, 2015 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by so-cal-bear (Post 6860728)
My guess. One Bunker Hill or the old So. Cal Edison building on 5th St.?

Happy new year to all! :cheers:

DING DING DING! :cheers:

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2015 1:32 AM

:previous: Well that was fast. ;)
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I just came across this exceptional sepia postcard of the Briggs Apartments (later renamed the Barbara Worth).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/913/LbHa3H.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/California-R...item4ae27fc627


reverse (it says there were 52 apartments...I can't read the rest)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/rgRdtP.jpg
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gsjansen posted this funny snapshot way back in 2010. (the Briggs is visible in the background)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/rfRjUw.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1289
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CityBoyDoug Jan 1, 2015 1:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6860770)
:previous: Well that was fast. ;)
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I just came across this exceptional sepia postcard of the Briggs Apartments (later renamed the Barbara Worth).



reverse (it says there were 52 apartments...I can't read the rest)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/rgRdtP.jpg
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" ...You can see only a small part of it from this picture....it is big - 52 apartments - all have[?] 2 rooms and some four..."

Sometimes people add in shorthand, which I do not know. My mom and her father were shorthand experts...not me. They were both professional secretaries.

Those Who Squirm! Jan 1, 2015 6:08 AM

(I apologize if this has been covered, but with such an enormous thread my computer will not allow me to open this thread in nested view.)

In addition to ProphetB's correction, to which I have taken the liberty to add a link in tovangar2's quote below: Plaza Street was originally the southern edge of the Plaza, skirting the old fire house and the Pico House, and then continuing more or less into Republic Street west of Main. The north side of the Plaza was Marchessault Street, which continued into Church (or Bread) Street.

Tovangar2's initial guess regarding Sunset is basically correct. As initially routed, Sunset Boulevard began more or less as a westward continuation of Marchessault just north of the old church, replacing Church Street; even to this day the original alignment is visible as the main entrance to and driveway through the huge accretion of parking lots that has spread over most of the area. But Bellevue is closer to the modern alignment.

As we all know, Sunset was later realigned to join Macy Street, and still later renamed, in honor of Cesar Chavez. When the realignment took place, I don't know, but it can't have been any earlier than the mid 1950s; maps exist from that time which still show the old alignment for Sunset. For many years, allusions in old sources to the Plaza Church at "Main and Sunset" had puzzled me, and it was only a few weeks ago that I learned the explanation. Perhaps the realignment of Sunset happened when the Plaza was closed to motor traffic.

Some confusion may commonly result from the fact that "Paseo de la Plaza" is a apparently retronym, if you will, devised by the park authorities to mean the entire Plaza, and often used that way when they give their address--125 Paseo De La Plaza.



Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5995865)
I think that's Sunset passing the north end of the Plaza then turning into Bellevue as it rounds the corner with the white building on it before meeting Alameda at an angle. Ferguson on the left. Olvera St buried in the block on the right. (?) (My '48 Gillespie's Guide has tiny type.) Anyway, we're on the Union Station block, corner of Macy. (see ProphetM's corrections on the next page)


P.S.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...937%2520PM.jpg
google maps

The building with the stepped gable ends is still there, the white building in the old photo is next to it, now with a peaked roof and some new "Spainish" arches at its base (man, Christine Sterling musta been working overtime). The church behind it also appears in both images. One can also see the shadow of the triangular block in the foreground of the old photo in the google maps image. And hey, there's the Avila Adobe


Those Who Squirm! Jan 1, 2015 7:08 AM

He looks like a model in an ad for bathrobes. I realize they didn't usually use Minoxes for this sort of thing, but could this have been some sort of "rough draft" picture, possibly done in great haste and with the intention of submitting the idea to some ad agency board meeting? The need for Ninja like nimbleness and fleetness of foot might also account for the Minox.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 5150864)
Now here's one y'all haven't seen, I'm guessing, it being a snapshot from your average pile of thrift store snapshots.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/...0bf13c88_o.jpg

The only information we have is that it's a stamped Minox print, 16.8.67. So, who was shooting in Los Angeles with a foreign spy camera during the summer of love? And why is this guy in a robe and sandals in the middle of the Bradbury?


ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2015 4:27 PM

1940s negatives of the Los Angeles area on ebay.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/PkWLrR.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N490-19-C-19...item566ec80986





http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/3tHvsi.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N490-19-C-19...item566ec80986




below: This group of negatives is the most enigmatic. Does anyone recognize this garden setting? (hired musicians...an interesting hillside with a sign and pole lighting at far right)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/gSytQR.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N490-19-C-19...item566ec80986


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/avvjop.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N490-19-C-19...item566ec80986

HossC Jan 1, 2015 5:30 PM

A Happy New Year to All.

Sheet cake for a New Year's celebration at City Hall. Decorated to resemble a Western Union telegram, it reads, "To all city officials and employees, Los Angeles, Calif., A Happy New Year to All, signed Mayor Fletcher Bowron." - from source, circa 1940.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...wYearCake1.jpg
LAPL

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...wYearCake2.jpg
LAPL

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2015 11:35 PM

:previous: Yes, Happy New Year to everyone!
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Westwood Drug, 1950s slide.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/fs8IIM.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Orig...item339b4f18b5

Does this building still stand?
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UPDATE:

It does! At Weyburn & Westwood Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/gzzd6m.png
BING_maps

The Westwood Drug side of the building is hidden behind trees / actually, the other side is too.
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ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2015 2:18 AM

I just found this exceptional photograph tonight on ebay.

H. Bloom Watch Maker & Jeweler, 410 1/2 Main Street Los Angeles 1913.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/333dlv.jpg
ebay



reverse, with address
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/dQJiED.jpg

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ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2015 2:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6858165)

My step-dad's old office building...Chester Williams, built in 1927. His office suite was the top floor at the left side. He had offices in this building from 1941 till 1961.

below: This is a current photo but this is how the entrance to his office appeared.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pscb3d1899.jpg
Chester Williams Building

-Very cool to see that 'old school' office entrance with all it's fine woodwork CBD. I wonder if there was a transom window before they added that awful dropped ceiling?
...but I'm confused by the still intact molding (also spelled moulding)....did they lower that as well?

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ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2015 3:21 AM

I like the archaic graphics on this 'maple' syrup container.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/yVpznU.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Slee...item4630ae54a0


...a product of Los Angeles (a loooooong way from Vermont ;))

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/pf1LqQ.jpg
detail


'costly' maple syrup...which explains the 15%.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...909/Wr33KZ.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Slee...item4630ae54a0
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Lorendoc Jan 2, 2015 5:26 AM

Happy New Year to all
 
https://imageshack.com/i/id3tHvsij

OK this family is on vacation in late June or early July 1948. Grauman's Chinese is showing "The Street With No Name" starring Mark Stevens: "Story of the FBI's battle against the rising post-war CRIME WAVE."

Greg H Jan 2, 2015 6:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6860973)
1940s negatives of the Los Angeles area on ebay.

below: This group of negatives is the most enigmatic. Does anyone recognize this garden setting? (hired musicians...an interesting hillside with a sign and pole lighting at far right)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/gSytQR.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N490-19-C-19...item566ec80986


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/avvjop.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N490-19-C-19...item566ec80986

I'm not absolutely positive but this looks like the world's largest wisteria in the 500 block of North Hermosa a few miles to the east of LA in Sierra Madre.
Here's a link to a slide show showing how it looks today:
http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/03/14/...a-get/?slide=6

Tetsu Jan 2, 2015 6:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6860770)
:previous: Well that was fast. ;)
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I just came across this exceptional sepia postcard of the Briggs Apartments (later renamed the Barbara Worth).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/913/LbHa3H.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/California-R...item4ae27fc627


reverse (it says there were 52 apartments...I can't read the rest)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/rgRdtP.jpg
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gsjansen posted this funny snapshot way back in 2010. (the Briggs is visible in the background)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/rfRjUw.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1289
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This brings to mind something I've long wanted to ask - is it just me or do we never see the southwest corner of 4th & Hope in pictures? We always see the Hildreth at the northwest corner; I'm wondering what stood just north of the Briggs Apartments.

CityBoyDoug Jan 2, 2015 8:34 AM

Recycled old building.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6861353)
-Very cool to see that 'old school' office entrance with all it's fine woodwork CBD. I wonder if there was a transom window before they added that awful dropped ceiling?
...but I'm confused by the still intact molding (also spelled moulding)....did they lower that as well?

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ER....If I recall correctly, the ceilings were plain white plaster with simple attached lights. I don't think there were any transoms but there could have been. I remember they did have bathrooms that required a pass key. The whole atmosphere of the old building was very business-like. The lobby had older men in uniforms as elevator operators with their constantly clicking castanets. My father always reminded me to ''stay away from the elevator doors or you could get badly injured." He used to throw the dead cigars of his clients out the window [after they left]......twelve stories down. In his little office wash room he had a nude photo of Marilyn Monroe. I thought that was racy.....lol. Here's the link for the exact MM photo....https://warosu.org/data/ic/img/0015/...5395388161.jpg ...

He also had a .22 pistol in his top drawer. He said he got that from a lady client who was going to use it on her spouse. One like this:.....http://www.engstromauctions.com/July...22%20short.JPG

The door originally had a large glass insert and there were two side windows, L & R. The glass was that old hammered style.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psa9463cc1.jpg
personal file

Here is the lobby of the Chester Williams Building. The new owner is converting the building to lofts and apartments.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psac2407ff.jpg
LA Filming locations

Back in the 1950s the entire area of downtown LA smelled of cigars and their smoke. It was quite pungent.

CityBoyDoug Jan 2, 2015 9:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg H (Post 6861491)
I'm not absolutely positive but this looks like the world's largest wisteria in the 500 block of North Hermosa a few miles to the east of LA in Sierra Madre.
Here's a link to a slide show showing how it looks today:
http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/03/14/...a-get/?slide=6

I think you're correct. Huell Howser once visited the tree.

Huell Howser 1945-2013
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pse9a87c67.jpg
KCET TV

Lwize Jan 2, 2015 8:08 PM

1951
http://www.trbimg.com/img-54a62750/t...01/750/750x422
(Ellis R. Bosworth, Associated Press)

1979 (or maybe 1981)
http://www.trbimg.com/img-54a6276a/t...01/750/750x422
(Bruce Cox - LA Times)

Today
http://www.trbimg.com/img-54a62752/t...01/750/750x422
(Scott Harrison - LA Times)

Quote:

Originally Posted by LA Times
Downtown Los Angeles skyline keeps evolving

By Shelby Grad

Downtown Los Angeles' skyline is poised to change dramatically in the next few years with the addition of several buildings, including the New Wilshire Grand hotel and office project.

With a spire that will make the edifice L.A.'s tallest — at 1,100 feet — the Wilshire Grand will be slightly taller than the U.S. Bank Tower, currently the tallest building west of the Mississippi.

A cluster of high-rise buildings also is planned for the South Park area around Staples Center.

For decades, L.A.'s skyscrapers have had a decidedly boxy style because of requirements that they have emergency helicopter landing pads on top. That code was changed last year, and some architecture buffs hope to see more creative designs in the future.

The Times long has taken the measure of the Los Angeles skyline, as seen from the observation deck of City Hall. Here's how it has evolved:

1951

This photo shows the famously flat L.A. skyline of yesteryear. A strict height limit — 13 stories or 150 feet — was imposed in the early 1900s to give the city "harmonious lines." But critics said it saddled downtown with an uninspired skyline. Only City Hall, at 27 stories, broke through the height limit thanks to an exemption for public buildings.
The tall building in the background with the distinctive tower is the Richfield Oil Co. Building. For years it was the dominant downtown structure, with its neon-lighted mast (meant to look like an oil well) glowing at night for all to see. Considered a landmark of Art Deco architecture, the building was demolished in the 1970s and replaced by the Arco twin towers. The massive, ornate Richfield elevator doors remain on display outside the towers.

At the upper right is Bunker Hill, then a slightly run-down but beloved residential area. It soon would be bulldozed to extend L.A.'s skyline.

1979

This shows the beginnings of the new downtown. After voters killed the building height limit, taller structures started appearing. Among the first were the Union Bank Tower off the 110 Freeway and the Crocker-Citizens National Bank building on Grand Avenue. The Arco twin towers followed.

For many years, the tallest building in L.A. was the 62-story United California Bank tower on Wilshire Boulevard (it was known as the First Interstate Bank building when a deadly fire erupted there in 1988, and now is called the Aon Center). But the most talked-about building in downtown during this era was the Bonaventure Hotel, with its five cylindrical towers and space-age outdoor elevators.

By then, Bunker Hill was flattened and ready for more high-rise development.

2014

These days, newer towers obscure much of the 1979 skyline from the vantage point of City Hall. Bunker Hill is close to being built out, with attractions that include Walt Disney Concert Hall. Beyond the cluster of skyscrapers that dominate the view is the new development in the Staples Center area, including the L.A. Live complex and various residential towers. Gone in the lower right is the old state building; nearby, construction is underway on a new federal courthouse.

Some other notable additions are, to the left along Spring Street are the Los Angeles Police Department headquarters and the sprawling Ronald Reagan State Building complex.

Two of L.A.'s original skyscrapers — the AT&T building on the south side and the Union Bank tower — were "re-skinned" to give them a more modern look.

http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...102-story.html

Not the most enlightening article, but I thought I'd post it anyway. The 1979 photo has 1981 in the file name, so I'm not sure if 1979 is an accurate date.

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2015 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg H (Post 6861491)

This looks like the world's largest wisteria in the 500 block of North Hermosa a few miles to the east of LA in Sierra Madre.

:previous:Greg_H, until your post I had never heard of Sierra Madre's giant Wisteria.

Here are some fun facts:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/REi78e.png
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/enterta...197815981.html


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/905/2UhhVX.jpg
ebay



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/905/lsa1pV.png
http://thisandthatandmoreofthesame.b...1_archive.html


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ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2015 9:35 PM

What the Heck is this?


While traversing the hills east of Silver Lake Reservoir I came to this fork in the road at Hidalgo Ave. and Bancroft.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/913/1B8ZiN.png
GSV

I didn't think much of that slanted ladder :previous:, until I moved closer and noticed it was secured at that angle with bungee cords.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/qGFu4q.png
GSV


...and on top is something that resembles a stripped down boom box.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/vu4aWe.png
GSV


On the opposite side of the ladder, there is a sign; but I can't make out what it says.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/n3iitJ.png
GSV

I'm absolutely stumped by this. Does anyone have an idea what is going on here??

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HossC Jan 2, 2015 9:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 6861913)

1951
http://www.trbimg.com/img-54a62750/t...01/750/750x422
(Ellis R. Bosworth, Associated Press)

I found this picture a couple of nights ago on eBay, but I've spent a bit of time cleaning it up. The 10-story Times-Mirror Building Addition/Mirror Building/Los Angeles Times Building at 145 S Spring Street was built in 1948, but by 1960 they were leasing it out.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...g.jpg~original
eBay

CityBoyDoug Jan 2, 2015 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6861998)
What the Heck is this?


While traversing the hills east of Silver Lake Reservoir I came to this fork in the road at Hidalgo Ave. and Bancroft.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/913/1B8ZiN.png
GSV

I didn't think much of that slanted ladder :previous:, until I moved closer and noticed it was secured at that angle with bungee cords.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/qGFu4q.png
GSV


...and on top is something that resembles a stripped down boom box.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/vu4aWe.png
GSV


On the opposite side of the ladder, there is a sign; but I can't make out what it says.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/n3iitJ.png
GSV

I'm absolutely stumped by this. Does anyone have an idea what is going on here??

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Maybe the sign says something about ...Free something in the nearby container. Hard to tell.

These new ladders now have the top turned into a holder for paint cans and holes for hammers and brushes. They advise you not to stand on the top of a ladder...

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2015 11:38 PM

:previous: I wasn't aware of the newfangled ladders with their fancy functional tops CDB. I don't think they sell them in Indiana. ;)
I would still like to know what the ladder is doing there...and what's in that box.

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This is an amazing photograph, dated 1870!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/tAs73x.jpg
ebay


"Group of Delegates to State Convention"
Y. P. S. C. E.
Los Angeles, Cal. April 1870

"Father Endeavor" Clark with silk hat on-


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/xaS397.jpg
reverse of photo

Does anyone know what Y.P.S.C.E. stands for?
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Earl Boebert Jan 2, 2015 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6862101)

Does anyone know what Y.P.S.C.E. stands for?
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Young People's Society of Christian Endeavor.

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2015 12:08 AM

:previous: Thanks Earl.
-with that information I hope to find out more about "Father Endeavor" Clark.

ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2015 12:17 AM

I found this color slide of the old Warner Theater a few nights ago on ebay. (location: 6455 Hollywood Blvd. -2,350 seats)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...905/edYF7P.jpg
ebay





...and today. -vacant
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/8HfkoX.png
GSV
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Wig-Wag Jan 3, 2015 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6862123)
:previous: Thanks Earl.
Now maybe I can find some information about "Father Endeavor" Clark.

ER, It seems that he did quite a bit with his life, or at least enough to earn him a copious quantity of references on the net!

Start here and work your way down. Alas, I grew bored after the Wiki page, but then I subscribe to the Robert A. Heinlein view of organized religion!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Edward_Clark

Cheers,
Jack

HossC Jan 3, 2015 12:50 AM

I can't find any previous mentions of the Oasis Motel at 2200 W Olympic, so here are two postcards I found on eBay. Both are from the same seller, who dates them at circa 1950s. Historic Aerials seems to have had a makeover since I last used it, and I'll have to get used to the revised interface. Nonetheless, the motel isn't there in the 1952 image, but does appear in the one from 1964.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...asisMotel1.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...asisMotel2.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...asisMotel3.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...asisMotel4.jpg
eBay

To my surprise, the Oasis Motel is still there. The sign has acquired a cactus on top, and has partly changed color, but looks pretty original otherwise. The roof sign in the background on the left belongs to the Royal Park Apartments which Flyingwedge covered in post #13658.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...asisMotel5.jpg
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rick m Jan 3, 2015 3:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 6861504)
This brings to mind something I've long wanted to ask - is it just me or do we never see the southwest corner of 4th & Hope in pictures? We always see the Hildreth at the northwest corner; I'm wondering what stood just north of the Briggs Apartments.

Actually this last image DOES include the never before imaged Williams house next to the Briggs- only the spire(s) of the further Hildreth house peek above the Williams's rooftop--- Otherwise the stone wall at the sidewalk found itself shot with some male historian in a b/w posing at the engraved house number- LAPL collection I recollect--

Mstimc Jan 3, 2015 3:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6861353)
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...but I'm confused by the still intact molding (also spelled moulding)....did they lower that as well?

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ER--I'm a bit of a woodworker when I'm not obsessing on Noirish L.A. Looking at the picture, I'm doubting this is the original crown molding. Its style doesn't really match the office entrance wood work, and given the level of craftsmanship that went into the entrance, my guess would be the original molding would have blended in from the hall to the office entrance so it would look seamless. The "renovators" could have stained all the wood to more or less match when they replaced the glass in the doors with wood. Just a hunch....

ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2015 3:19 AM

:previous: Thanks Mstimc, that clears up some of my confusion.

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CityBoyDoug Jan 3, 2015 3:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 6862257)
ER--I'm a bit of a woodworker when I'm not obsessing on Noirish L.A. Looking at the picture, I'm doubting this is the original crown molding. Its style doesn't really match the office entrance wood work, and given the level of craftsmanship that went into the entrance, my guess would be the original molding would have blended in from the hall to the office entrance so it would look seamless. The "renovators" could have stained all the wood to more or less match when they replaced the glass in the doors with wood. Just a hunch....

Good catch Mstimc.! The door and the surrounds are the same color stain as I remember them in the 1950s. But what has changed is the stain and the wood panel above the door. That and the crown moldings do appear new and somewhat do not really match the old door color stain.

The new lofts are ultra modern and have solid painted doors.

Photos:

Here are the entrance doors. Kind of quaint and very original 1926.
Below is the lobby, exactly as I remember it but with the added desk. They mounted the computer monitor on the marble wall which looks absurd.
Exterior shot.

Would I want to live there? I don't think so.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psed499bed.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psb4247951.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps91dad7f7.jpg
Images: as noted or Chester Williams Bldg.

Mstimc Jan 3, 2015 4:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6862290)
Here are the entrance doors. Kind of quaint and very original 1926.
Below is the lobby, exactly as I remember it but with the added desk. They mounted the computer monitor on the marble wall which looks absurd.

Would I want to live there? I don't think so.[/SIZE]

Its a very elegant building even with the subpar "improvements". I would have loved to have seen it as you did, CBD

I have a bazillion photos my 89 year old cousin gave me of L.A. in the 1920's, including some of their brand new house in West Hollywood, with nothing behind their street but empty fields! One of these days I'm going to learn how to post and size pictures on this site!

Those Who Squirm! Jan 3, 2015 6:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 6862316)
Its a very elegant building even with the subpar "improvements". I would have loved to have seen it as you did, CBD

I have a bazillion photos my 89 year old cousin gave me of L.A. in the 1920's, including some of their brand new house in West Hollywood, with nothing behind their street but empty fields! One of these days I'm going to learn how to post and size pictures on this site!

Everyone here will be falling over each other to see your pictures, and I hope you will post them soon. I've found the most straightforward way is to upload my photos to Flickr, then post the Flickr-assigned URL of whatever picture I'm posting, using the [IMG][/IMG] pair of vB codes.

Because Flickr saves each picture in a variety of sizes, finding the right URL for your link is a bit tricky at first, but becomes very simple and straightforward once you know how to do it.

Feel free to PM me if you need any pointers, or would like me to walk you through it on Yahoo IM.

Beaudry Jan 3, 2015 6:15 AM

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/...18e2255e_o.jpg
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Originally Posted by rick m (Post 6862256)
Originally Posted by Tetsu View Post
This brings to mind something I've long wanted to ask - is it just me or do we never see the southwest corner of 4th & Hope in pictures? We always see the Hildreth at the northwest corner; I'm wondering what stood just north of the Briggs Apartments.
Actually this last image DOES include the never before imaged Williams house next to the Briggs- only the spire(s) of the further Hildreth house peek above the Williams's rooftop--- Otherwise the stone wall at the sidewalk found itself shot with some male historian in a b/w posing at the engraved house number- LAPL collection I recollect--

It's a good question. Probably for the same reason we rarely see what's across the street from the Melrose or the Castle—people just turned their camera on the more ornate stuff. And the George H. Wms house at 401 S Hope couldn't be viewed from afar because of the built-ups around her...and then she was taken out earlier than most because of the 4th St cut.

Here's a bit of an aerial from which I know we've seen snippets before—

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7481/...ea9413aa_o.pngusc

Note how one can just make out the top of ol' 401 peeking above the Barbara Worth, née Briggs. Hey, I wish I had a first-class image of the Gibson, which interests me intently, and not just because it can't quite figure out if it wants to have a crenelated parapet, à la the Lovejoy, or do a sort of Mission thing; that was where, for example, Zelda B. Gibson built her first great apartment in the fall of '03. She married H. W. La Chat at in her home at 612 W. 4th in April 1907—612 W. 4th is the small house seen at the center of this image here:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7506/...c8abc283_o.png

With the money from selling the Gibson, in 1908 Zelda (Gibson) La Chat builds...the Zelda! Seen at the right in the above photo. Ok, and notice what's at the end of the block, but the Williams house at 401! (Note too there are three matching houses next to 612—which would be replaced by the Zahn boys with three rather similar apartment buildings, the Gordon at 618, the Bronx at 624 and on the corner of 4th & Hope, the La Belle at 630.) In its totality:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7537/...1513c2ca_o.jpghuntington digital library

But I digress. I have one decent image of the facade of the aforementioned La Belle from a family that had moved in and taken an amateur snap, and what should be in the background?— but what may be the best shot of 401 yet. YET. The hunt continues.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7510/...f8f65052_o.jpg

What I want to know is, why have they barricaded the street? Construction? The only clue I have to a date is in pen on verso, "Sat 4-15" which makes it most likely 1922. 428 S Hope is early 20s, I believe, so that's my guess.

ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2015 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 6862316)
I have a bazillion photos my 89 year old cousin gave me of L.A. in the 1920's, including some of their brand new house in West Hollywood, with nothing behind their street but empty fields! One of these days I'm going to learn how to post and size pictures on this site!

Oh my Mstimc, everyone on NLA would love to see your treasure-trove of Los Angeles photographs.

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ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2015 7:37 PM

Another hammer slaying, this time 55 year old Robert Milton Byrne.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...909/98d7H2.jpg
ebay

The 3814 street number is clearly visible on the front porch. (the information below places the house on Sunset Boulevard)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/vSsS4g.jpg


I believe the house is still there, although it's somewhat hidden behind some store fronts.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/c45Ogd.png
google_earth




Here is the house as viewed from Sunset Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/eevinG.png
GSV


Kim Cooper over at the 1947project http://1947project.dumplingjoint.com/mapofinfamy
has this paragraph about the Bryne murder (she has Mr. Byrne's age as 65, but the press photo info. says 55)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...901/GIjdfg.png


Ms. Cooper's has a list of 29 (yes, 29!) noirish murders and crimes that have occurred in the Sunset Junction area. You should check it out.
http://1947project.dumplingjoint.com/mapofinfamy
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ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2015 8:26 PM

Unknown production company filming at the Bronson Caves in the 1920s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...913/Op75Nv.jpg
ebay


I know most of you know where the Bronson Caves are located, but for those who don't, they're located southeast of the Hollywood sign (midway between the Hollywood Reservoir
and Griffith Observatory)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/k6sePc.png
Google Earth

In 1903, the Union Rock Company founded a quarry, originally named Bush Canyon, for excavation of crushed rock used in the construction of city streets.
The quarry ceased operation in the 1920s, leaving the caves behind. The caves became known as the Bronson Caves after a nearby street.
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This shows a bit more of the cave.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/hnIWVa.jpg
ebay
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HossC Jan 3, 2015 9:34 PM

OK, I know we've seen Angels Flight many times on NLA, but I don't remember seeing a colorized image of the Crocker Mansion before. This postcard is dated 1906, and shows Angels Flight still crossing Clay Street at grade.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Flight1906.jpg
eBay

Albany NY Jan 4, 2015 12:35 AM

2% of the mystery solved.
 
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Albany NY Jan 4, 2015 12:40 AM

The names have been changed to protect the innocent....
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6861341)
I just found this exceptional photograph tonight on ebay.

H. Bloom Watch Maker & Jeweler, 410 1/2 Main Street Los Angeles 1913.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/333dlv.jpg
ebay
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It looks as if the "H" was pasted over another initial. Can any identify the original Bloom? Perhaps a father passed the business down to his son?

ethereal_reality Jan 4, 2015 1:01 AM

Earlier tonight while I was perusing ebay, I found these impressive photographs from the 1920s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/Bt06i0.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...&_skc=50&rt=nc

above: As most of you probably know, the middle photograph is Charlie Chaplin's Studio.
I looked up Howard Motor Co (top photo) in the 1923 city directory; their address was 6157 Hollywood Blvd.



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/CIy9a2.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...&_skc=50&rt=nc


above:
First photo...Hollywood Station Post Office. (I'm not sure where this was located)
I'm especially intrigued by the middle photograph of the lonely DesmondS billboard.
The last photo is Mission San Buenaventura. I'd love to know more about that impressive building in the distance to the left of the mission.
(it looks like it might be a school)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/907/FW89Os.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...&_skc=50&rt=nc


above:
Top photo: Could this be Olvera Street in the 1920s?
Does anyone recognize the stand alone mansion in the middle photograph? (Beverly Hills is written on the left side of the negative)
I can't quite make out the name of the building in that last photo. (there's a café at the far end of the building...along with a drug store and grocery store)
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The seller also included this photograph of the Maryland Apartments. (I think I see a roof-top sign in the distance on the left )

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/911/a5J2Fy.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...&_skc=50&rt=nc

I can't recall the address of the Maryland Apts.; I'll have to look it up.

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ethereal_reality Jan 4, 2015 1:45 AM

Los Angeles, 1910s (starting bid is $54.95 )

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/VUnsV1.jpg

http://www.ebay.com/itm/C1910-RPPC-P...item51c957b030

above: -note the guy in the vest inside the window.


I found the address of Star Truck Co. in the 1917 Los Angeles city directory.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/LeGfoS.png
LAPL

408 East 3rd Street.

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ethereal_reality Jan 4, 2015 2:23 AM

OK, I'm pretty sure I 've never heard of this place called the "Cliff Dwellers" (located somewhere on Beverly Boulevard).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/YoNPHL.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Cliff-Dwel...item1e978f58c1

"Five rare photographs of the Cliff Dwellers Café on Beverly Boulevard in Los Angeles, in 1928."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/AaGazk.png
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Cliff-Dwel...item1e978f58c1

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Beaudry Jan 4, 2015 3:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6862889)
The seller also included this photograph of the Maryland Apartments. (I think I see a roof-top sign in the distance on the left )

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/911/a5J2Fy.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...&_skc=50&rt=nc

I can't recall the address of the Maryland Apts.; I'll have to look it up.

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If you look it up in LA you might think it's at 546 S Grand—but this isn't that Maryland Apts:

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8659/...c827ab37_z.jpg

...this was in fact at 537 W Ocean Ave., Long Beach.

from AVtOLA

Mstimc Jan 4, 2015 4:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm (Post 6862376)
Everyone here will be falling over each other to see your pictures, and I hope you will post them soon. I've found the most straightforward way is to upload my photos to Flickr, then post the Flickr-assigned URL of whatever picture I'm posting, using the [IMG][/IMG] pair of vB codes.

Because Flickr saves each picture in a variety of sizes, finding the right URL for your link is a bit tricky at first, but becomes very simple and straightforward once you know how to do it.

Feel free to PM me if you need any pointers, or would like me to walk you through it on Yahoo IM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6862541)
Oh my Mstimc, everyone on NLA would love to see your treasure-trove of Los Angeles photographs.

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Thanks guys! I'll give flickr a try!

ethereal_reality Jan 4, 2015 7:21 PM

I actually use imageshack Mstimc, but it's a pay site now so you might not what to go that route. I've never posted using flickr, but I believe a majority of NLA'ers use it.
If you have troubles, just post your difficulties on the thread; I'm sure someone will come to your rescue.

Good luck!
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ethereal_reality Jan 4, 2015 7:35 PM

I just found this slide a few minutes ago on ebay. (love that red car!)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/51sOFk.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-195...item339b85859d

The coffee shop at extreme left is the recently discussed Tilford's.


and the same view today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/c4XA6O.png
GSV


below: The GARAGE sign is missing.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/PEMfUo.png
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To my surprise, the google-mobile went down the alley....so here's the garage entrance in the back of the art deco E. Clem Wilson Building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/QGjDIz.png
GSV

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