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CaliNative Jan 7, 2019 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8427758)
:previous:

Holy Todelo indeed. Thanks, ER. We've seen Joan hugging the post before--always a pleasant reminder of one of the all-time fabulously ridiculous JC movies ever-- Strait Jacket. With Diane Baker, absurd fake props, and totally unsubtle product placement...

https://i.postimg.cc/d0DPn4ry/straitjacket-bmp.jpg

Well, as a Pepsicola executive through marriage, you wouldn't expect her to plant a Coke 6 pack in the frame, would you? Joan always knew who paid the bills. No cheap metal coat hangers for her. Diane Baker..remember her from "Krakatoa, East (sic) of Java". When it was pointed out that Krakatoa is west of Java, that caused a few guffaws but the title remained. I suppose you could say that Krakatoa is east of Java, if you go around the Earth 25,000 miles. I see that Krakatoa, or little new Krakatoa anyway is acting up again. Maybe they can make a sequel and get the direction right this time.

Question--why doesn't this website use a secure https address? :koko:

Noir_Noir Jan 7, 2019 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8427919)
That thing is our mystery house?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/e9hRf3.jpg
Ebay

For once..I'm speechless.


Not so much the "nails" that GLW and HossC provided. More of a thumbtack really. :)


436 Oak Ave/1302 Hobart Blvd in it's original orientation on the corner with Fountain Ave?



https://i.imgur.com/1wWkT49.jpg


:shrug:

GaylordWilshire Jan 7, 2019 4:22 PM

:previous:


Nails vs thumbtacks?? Anyway, NN, your illustrations are great.

A little bit more on the house--George Lovejoy was listed at 436 S Crown Avenue in the 1911 CD, but this appears to have been an error. Crown runs north of Hollywood Blvd on the 1907 Sanborn map (and is now part of Harvard Blvd) while its southerly indirect extension southward is Oak (and now part of Hobart) . (Lovejoy is not in CDs prior to 1911.) 1911 might seem the build date, but the assessor indicates 1907... Lovejoy was still iving in way upstate NY in 1905...


Here is an image that was in a pictorial on Hollywood in the Herald of Sept 19, 1909--it appears to be Crown Avenue north from Prospect Ave/Hollywood. (I'm seeing RR tracks.) While Lovejoy's house would have been south of this intersection, you can see the peak pointed out by NN behind one of the phone poles. (I'm sure that peak has a name--anyone?)

https://i.postimg.cc/fTPq8GN0/crown1.png

Link to the pictorial: https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=LAH19090...nue%22-------1

GaylordWilshire Jan 7, 2019 4:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8428043)
Believe it or not GW, I located a photograph of Irene Seidcheck.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/uYfmtc.jpg
kansasdrakes

The man on the tricycle is her husband, Allan Seidcheck...a so-called 'bad boy'
Allan is the person who placed the missing ad (his name is on it)

To ease the suspense, Irene was FOUND.
(or more likely she simply decided to return to her husband)

It turns out...Irene's daughter, Colleen, is searching for information on her biological mother. at
GW, I don't believe Irene's daughter is aware of the missing ad. Do you think it's something she'd like to know?


Great to see Irene "in the flesh." I looked at her daughter's website, but when "Email me" is clicked...there is no address...and the last blogpost was nearly 7 years ago....

Handsome Stranger Jan 7, 2019 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8428284)
Great to see Irene "in the flesh." I looked at her daughter's website, but when "Email me" is clicked...there is no address...and the last blogpost was nearly 7 years ago....

She's just maintaining the family tradition, you see.

HossC Jan 7, 2019 10:47 PM

The following are from a Dick Whittington photoset called "Homes and buildings, Frank Meline Co., Los Angeles, CA, 1926". A couple of the others have been posted before, but I think these are new to the thread. The first shows 211, 211½ and 213 N New Hampshire Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Hampshire1.jpg
USC Digital Library

The house is still there, but it's lost its cartouches and decorative details. The walls don't look nearly as smooth either. The openings above the porch were only filled as recently as 2016.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Hampshire2.jpg
GSV

The second is a little court of houses at 5312-5322 Romaine Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...12Romaine1.jpg
USC Digital Library

They seem to be well preserved, and even the new gate and wall aren't that intrusive.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...12Romaine2.jpg
GSV

The third is a corner house at 355 S Plymouth Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...SPlymouth1.jpg
USC Digital Library

The awnings have gone, and the driveway's been considerably enlarged, but it appears to be otherwise intact. The trees on the corner now prevent me getting the current view from the same angle. I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen a window with a chimney running up either side.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...SPlymouth2.jpg
GSV

I'll try and check out some of the others tomorrow.

GaylordWilshire Jan 7, 2019 11:17 PM

:previous:


https://i.postimg.cc/hGkpgmb3/WSQSPl...MAIN4-FBUT.jpg


For a history of 355 S Plymouth, see this inventory of its block at Windsor Square: A Historical Inventory

Flyingwedge Jan 7, 2019 11:35 PM

2707/3507 Washington Blvd. & 1901 4th Ave./901 S. Victoria Ave.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8389033)


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psc26v6g7b.jpg

photCL_555_06_358 at Huntington Digital Library, Ernest Marquez Collection

I just discovered where these two houses above were. The home in the distance was 2707 (later renumbered 3507) W. Washington,
on the NW corner of 5th Avenue. The home in the foreground was 1901 S. 4th Avenue, on the SW corner of Washington. The
image above shows the front (with the porch) and left/south (with the chimney) sides of 1901, so the photographer must have
been standing near the lower right corner of the map, looking toward 2707 Washington:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psxksxy75p.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pscanu2lpy.jpg

1907 Sanborn @ ProQuest via LAPL (The north and south sides of Washington are on two different maps, which I've edited
together. That's why Washington looks narrower than 5th Avenue.)


While researching something else, I came across a July 1906 article on 2707 Washington Street (later Washington Boulevard).
The article has one interior and one exterior photo of the house:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0ph1kri9.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psjstwiwiw.jpg


Here is a close-up of 2707 Washington from the HDL photo, followed by the images of 2707 Washington from the article. When I
saw the grainy image of the outside of 2707 with the article, I compared it to the HDL photo and realized it was the same house:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psl3npartt.jpg


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psxrhxfggm.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psrannfbym.jpg

July 1, 1906, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


This is Mr. Neeland, who first appears on Washington in the 1906 LACD and who last appears there in the 1920 LACD
(he's at 4016 Wilshire in the 1921 and 1922 LACDs):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4fs8jhee.jpg

Integral Outsiders: The American Colony in Mexico City, 1876-1911 by William Schell (Scholarly Resources, Inc., 2001), p. 110 @ Google Books


In addition to his railroad activities, Mr. Neeland was also involved in banking, as we see in the March 1909 Bankers Magazine.


I was unable to find the resolution of this case:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psyxnvduc0.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psj66fbfrd.jpg

June 10, 1911, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC


Anyway, by 1921 the Arlington Heights Methodist Episcopal Church had moved into Neeland's former home. I last found that
church -- at any address -- in the 1926 LACD. The demolition permit for 3507 W. Washington is dated March 29, 1929:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psstctmr46.jpg

1921 Sanborn Map @ ProQuest via LAPL

_________________


As for 1901 S. 4th Avenue, it was built by Charles P. Coslett, whose first appearance there is in the 1906 LACD; his last is
in 1918 (he's at 711 Westlake in 1920).


Here is 1901 S. 4th Avenue on the 1921 Sanborn (the next building south of 1901 is 1919-1921, just across the alley):

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psjugbnrah.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL


About six years after Coslett departed 1901 S. 4th Avenue, his old home -- which rightly or wrongly is numbered 1907
on this September 4, 1924, permit -- was moved to 901 S. Victoria Avenue:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa9n0zrxr.jpg

LADBS


So this house (1901 S. 4th Avenue, c. 1907) . . .

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psqfkblgxv.jpg

photCL_555_06_357 at Huntington Digital Library, Ernest Marquez Collection


. . . is now this house, 901 S. Victoria Avenue. The overhanging roof is gone, the second floor has been redone, there's an
addition to the left/south side, and most of the front porch has been filled in. But the window pattern to the left of the front
door is the same as before, and there are other similarities:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psrgfirk3x.jpg

May 2009 GSV -- The house looks largely the same in the most current view (March 2018), but a hedge blocks some of the view from the street


This aerial view shows that the chimney and art glass on the left/south side of the house (visible in the photo at the top of this post)
are gone, perhaps removed when the addition to the house was built. I hope some of the rest of the interior has been preserved:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pspgom0twb.jpg

Google


This looks at 901 S. Victoria from 9th Street. The second floor windows bear a strong resemblance to those in the c. 1907 photo
three images up. That image shows the corner of the open porch at the rear of the second floor which we see here partially enclosed
(it's now totally enclosed). There is a November 22, 1924, building permit for a 16 x 20 wood-and-stucco garage at 901 S. Victoria,
and I'm confident that's what we see here:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psrnxawz3h.jpg

May 2009 GSV


In researching this post, I found that if you're traveling west on Washington Blvd., as you cross Arlington Avenue you're in the
2500 block of Washington, and the next street west is 3rd Avenue. However, mid-block, the numbers on Washington change
from 25XX to 32XX, and west of 3rd Avenue is the 3300 block. West Washington Blvd. has no 2600 through 3100 blocks.

GaylordWilshire Jan 7, 2019 11:50 PM

:previous:


https://i.postimg.cc/brgxGC4d/4016x-...B2-bmp-002.jpg

The house John Neeland lived in circa 1921-22 is a rare Wilshire Boulevard survivor; the family that moved into 4016 Wilshire after him still owns it, in fact.


As for

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8428910)
In researching this post, I found that if you're traveling west on Washington Blvd., as you cross Arlington Avenue you're in the
2500 block of Washington, and the next street west is 3rd Avenue. However, mid-block, the numbers on Washington change
from 25XX to 32XX, and west of 3rd Avenue is the 3300 block. West Washington Blvd. has no 2600 through 3100 blocks.


East-west addresses in this vicinity changed at the time of the 1909-1910 annexations of Hollywood and Colegrove--the added territory of
the Colegrove addition of Oct 27, 1909, is seen on the map below. Note that the Colegrove line along Arlington was actually 180 feet
west of it. Adams Street also lost eight blocks numerically at this time.


https://i.postimg.cc/ZqkzsVDW/colegrove-bmp.jpg

ethereal_reality Jan 8, 2019 1:59 AM

mystery location
 
I thought that I had posted a mystery cabinet card [a while back] that showed a swan(?) statue atop a base in a park-like setting.
If I remember correctly, the only clue was "Walnut Street" Does that ring a bell for anyone? (the mystery was never solved)




I ask..because one of the clues on the cabinet card [shown below] is Walnut St. [1890s]


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/7RYgOf.png
EBAY

Horton's..Walnut St.


Howland & Chadwick....211 South Main Street...opposite cathedral....Los Angeles, California
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/H6KgFy.jpg


I was excited to see the handwriting so I hurriedly flipped the photo over....



only to find out it's a recipe for Vanilla Fudge !

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/DDPMan.jpg









Before I call it a night I'll leave you with a closer look at the Horton house.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/40pCIj.jpg

I thought there would be a Horton, or two. but no.



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Flyingwedge Jan 8, 2019 4:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8428925)

East-west addresses in this vicinity changed at the time of the 1909-1910 annexations of Hollywood and Colegrove--the added territory of
the Colegrove addition of Oct 27, 1909, is seen on the map below. Note that the actual Colgrove line along Arlington was actually 180 feet
west of it. Adams Street also lost eight blocks numerically at this time.

Thanks, GW, that explains it! John M. Neeland's home is 2707 Washington in the 1912 LACD and 3507 Washington in the 1913 LACD.

HossC Jan 8, 2019 9:43 PM

Here are three more images from Dick Whittington's "Homes and buildings, Frank Meline Co., Los Angeles, CA, 1926". The first is 1611 N Normandie Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Normandie1.jpg
USC Digital Library

The full development includes a mirror of the units on the right, but I went for the nearest approximation of the original as I could. They've gained a much larger neighbor over the years.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Normandie2.jpg
GSV

For the second, we're off to 117 N Citrus Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...17NCitrus1.jpg
USC Digital Library

If you look at the older GSV images, the house was still looking pretty good (the aerial view shows that it was extended at the rear)...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...17NCitrus2.jpg

... but sadly, the June 2017 (below) shows an empty lot. The latest image shows the replacement under construction.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...17NCitrus3.jpg

Both GSV

A couple of blocks south, we have 211 S Citrus Avenue.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...11SCitrus1.jpg
USC Digital Library

This one has had an addition on the left, but at least they copied the style of the right (even if it's lost a few details here and there).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...11SCitrus2.jpg
GSV

ethereal_reality Jan 9, 2019 12:19 AM

That's such a shame about 117 N Citrus Avenue. It fit perfectly with the other houses on the block.

I'm afraid to look at the replacement.

ethereal_reality Jan 9, 2019 12:31 AM

Does anyone have an idea what is above the garage doors at 1611 N Normandie Avenue? :shrug:........1926 is too early for graffiti, right?

to be more descriptive: it looks like a cut-out sign (of graffiti) on a slanted roof.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/7QCu8H.jpg
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I also like the hanging light used to illuminate the drive back to garage.


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Flyingwedge Jan 9, 2019 3:01 AM

:previous: Could we be looking at laundry hung out to dry?

ethereal_reality Jan 9, 2019 6:17 AM

I came across this rather intriguing painting about a month ago on collectorsweekly


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/eFEhK6.jpg
collectorsweekly


It's even more intriguing when you see the back.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/QGsd20.png


Mimi Forsyth(e), , Silent Star" (I've never heard of her before)


It turns out.. Mimi was born in Chicago on Dec. 13, 1921 as Marie Armstrong .
She died [suicide] on August 17, 1952 in Hollywood California. (age 30) info from IMDB
.

As you can see, the painting was gifted to Mimi's son in 1964.



IMDB lists only three films...and they're all from the 1940s. (I doubt she was a silent star...unless she performed as a child under a different name)

#1 Three Russian Girls [1943] as Tamara
#2 The Bridge of San Luis Rey villager [uncredited]
#3 Sensations of 1945 as Julia Wescolt


She also had three husbands.

Benedict Bogeaus (father of her son, Geoffrey) -divorced 1945
Warren McCanless (killed instantly when his car runs into a telephone pole in Los Angeles. Age 30) in 1946
James Turner (divorced 1949)

You can read a chronology of her life at glamourgirlsofthesilverscreen

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/LP55vk.jpg
collectorsweekly


Has anyone on NLA ever heard of Mimi Forsythe? (before this post)

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JeffDiego Jan 9, 2019 7:32 AM

Mimi Forsythe
 
Hi Ethereal:


Old movie Buff here. I certainly know of Mimi Forsythe. She had a prominent role alongside Eleanor Powell and Dennis O'Keefe in "Sensations of 1945," (1944). A real looker and not a bad actress. Various scenes with Mimi from the movie can be seen on youtube. And why the person would've written "Silent Star" on the back of the picture is a puzzle.
I looked up information on her a few years ago and was surprised to read that she had committed suicide in 1952 at age 30. Apparently she was bipolar and had a history of emotional breakdowns.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Wwnz1B.jpg

Mimi Forsythe 1943/44
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/.../mimi-forsythe

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/RL2mTT.jpg

Mimi Forsythe, Dennis O'Keefe, Eleanor Powell, 1944
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-mi...-41829699.html

GaylordWilshire Jan 9, 2019 2:44 PM

:previous:


Some more on Mimi Forsythe


https://i.postimg.cc/kXLpXjFK/forsythmarr1.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/jqp1RghN/forsyth1-bmp.jpg
ancestry/LAT Aug 16, 1944


Ben Bogeaus seems to have been pretty big in pictures. He definitely liked them young. He married Mimi, his second wife (at least) when he was 37 and she was 19-going-on-20 (if not the 17 cited in the LAT divorce report); his next wife was nearly 22 years younger--he had a son with each. One online source says that the house cited on the marriage license--662 Stone Canyon in Bel-Air--was occupies by an interesting list of names: Joan blondell, Peter Frampton, Maureen O'Hara, and Dick Powell.


https://i.postimg.cc/g2G9VSQR/forsythdeath-bmp.jpg
LAT Aug 22, 1952

CityBoyDoug Jan 9, 2019 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8430240)
Does anyone have an idea what is above the garage doors at 1611 N Normandie Avenue? :shrug:........1926 is too early for graffiti, right?

to be more descriptive: it looks like a cut-out sign (of graffiti) on a slanted roof.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/7QCu8H.jpg
DETAIL

I also like the hanging light used to illuminate the drive back to garage.


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FW is correct. It appears to be one day of washing for the baby. Diapers, sheets for the crib and possibly towels and clothes. This was back in the day when mothers washed a lot of diapers. There were no diaper washing companies and disposable diapers hadn't been perfected. It was one smelly mess.:yuck: Dirty diapers were kept in a metal can with a pop-up lid....soiled diapers are changed many times in 24 hours.

Yes ER, that hanging light is a charmer.

ethereal_reality Jan 9, 2019 7:06 PM

:previous: You have quite an eye CBD!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8430371)
Could we be looking at laundry hung out to dry?

How many feet would you say are between the clothes and the ground? 10...12 feet? It must have been a really tall mother. ;) no doubt an illusion.




I appreciate the follow-ups on Mimi Forsythe JeffDiego and GaylordWilshire
Earlier..I didn't see the comments at collectorsweekly

These two [concerning her son] are interesting.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/96CZsc.jpg

I wonder why her son didn't keep the painting?

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ethereal_reality Jan 9, 2019 7:18 PM

Here's an especially nice image of Mimi Forsythe.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/O3pwAR.jpg
glamourgirlsofthesilverscreen

HossC Jan 9, 2019 7:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8430240)

Does anyone have an idea what is above the garage doors at 1611 N Normandie Avenue? :shrug:........1926 is too early for graffiti, right?

to be more descriptive: it looks like a cut-out sign (of graffiti) on a slanted roof.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8430371)

:previous: Could we be looking at laundry hung out to dry?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8430679)

FW is correct. It appears to be one day of washing for the baby. Diapers, sheets for the crib and possibly towels and clothes. This was back in the day when mothers washed a lot of diapers. There were no diaper washing companies and disposable diapers hadn't been perfected. It was one smelly mess.:yuck: Dirty diapers were kept in a metal can with a pop-up lid....soiled diapers are changed many times in 24 hours.

Zooming in on the original, the laundry is bigger than diapers.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Normandie3.jpg
USC Digital Library

It looks like the garages have gone, although the layout of the residential units doesn't seem to have changed over the years (I can see them on a 1927 aerial despite its fuzziness). The garages and washing were at the back of the driveway to the left of the Google marker.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Normandie4.jpg
Google Maps

ethereal_reality Jan 9, 2019 8:35 PM

I didn't realize the garage had a flat roof. (I probably should have know)

I'm still confused about the height of the clothes line. It's too high.
And if the clothes line is directly above the flat roof...it's too low. with the bottom of the clothes touching the roof

Valentino Jan 9, 2019 8:58 PM

The clothes touching the roof may be an illusion, due to lack of depth perception. There appear to be two clotheslines, which may be on pulleys, that might originate from two second story windows in the adjacent building.

P.S. Didn't want to post until I had something to contribute, other than a comment, but have nothing of value to share to date.

CityBoyDoug Jan 9, 2019 9:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8431155)
I didn't realize the garage had a flat roof. (I probably should have know)

I'm still confused about the height of the clothes line. It's too high.
And if the clothes line is directly above the flat roof...it's too low. with the bottom of the clothes touching the roof

Its possible that the clothes line is on the roof of the garage.

CityBoyDoug Jan 9, 2019 9:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8431084)
Zooming in on the original, the laundry is bigger than diapers.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Normandie3.jpg
USC Digital Library

Hoss, can you please help us out here and identify each piece of laundry? Also, if you have the time, what is the make and model of the car in the garage? I'm scratching my head over this. :previous:

CityBoyDoug Jan 9, 2019 9:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 8431184)
The clothes touching the roof may be an illusion, due to lack of depth perception. There appear to be two clotheslines, which may be on pulleys, that might originate from two second story windows in the adjacent building.

P.S. Didn't want to post until I had something to contribute, other than a comment, but have nothing of value to share to date.

Valentino: welcome to this thread. Boy did you step in with a comment at the right time.

That dang clothes line has become a real cause célèbre. Just what is on that line...is it pajamas, sheets, or baby diapers...maybe all three and then some?

My guess is that's its Monday....wash day.

Here is my proof:

Wash on Monday,
Iron on Tuesday,
Bake on Wednesday,
Brew on Thursday,
Churn on Friday,
Mend on Saturday,
Go to meeting on Sunday.

This all goes back to the Mayflower colony in the year 1620.

ethereal_reality Jan 9, 2019 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8431227)
Hoss, can you please help us out here and identify each piece of laundry?

Hoss was just clarifying your response CBD.
His close-up is much clearer than the fuzzy one that you and I were looking at.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8431220)
Its possible that the clothes line is on the roof of the garage.

If it's on the roof of the garage it's too low. Nix that. I just looked again.

If the clothes line is hanging over the far side of the roof, then I'd say...yes, it's a possibility.
______________________________________

update:

If you look closely, you can see the empty clothes line that runs across the front edge of the roof. The line we see with the clothes is in the back. I'd say CBD is correct.


update 2

I was looking at a telephone line :duh:



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/rkqHVR.jpg
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but there's also a middle line. (#2 above) -with two garments....maybe three.


I have now entered the realm of "beating a dead horse".

https://imageshack.com/a/img922/3043/wKoswg.gif
giphy

ethereal_reality Jan 10, 2019 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 8431184)
The clothes touching the roof may be an illusion, due to lack of depth perception. There appear to be two clotheslines, which may be on pulleys, that might originate from two second story windows in the adjacent building.

I just saw your post Valentino. You were correct all along. I was..pretty much..repeating what you had already said. My apologies.


Welcome to the thread Valentino.

https://imageshack.com/a/img923/8108/3eAjh3.gif

Tikiman Jan 10, 2019 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8431389)
Hoss was just clarifying your response CBD.
His close-up is much clearer than the fuzzy one that you and I were looking at.


If it's on the roof of the garage it's too low. Nix that. I just looked again.

If the clothes line is hanging over the far side of the roof, then I'd say...yes, it's a possibility.
______________________________________

update:

If you look closely, you can see the empty clothes line that runs across the front edge of the roof. The line we see with the clothes is in the back. I'd say CBD is correct.


update 2

I was looking at a telephone line :(

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/rkqHVR.jpg
DETAIL

but there's also a middle line. (#2 above) -with two garments....maybe three.


I have now entered the realm of "beating a dead horse".

https://imageshack.com/a/img922/3043/wKoswg.gif
giphy

You may note that the line runs off past our view to the left. It could very well be that there is a structure with a second story that direction. Also; in those times, clothes lines often were on a pulley system so you could hang all laundry from the porch and run it out over the yard or whatever to dry - then just pull it back in. This may be the case here.

ethereal_reality Jan 10, 2019 12:13 AM

Yes Tikiman, clothes lines with pulleys (usually between two tenements) have been seen in numerous old movies.
In fact, I'm trying to find an example as we speak. (so far nothing)

hmmm....perhaps the film The Window [1949] (if I remember correctly, the entire film takes place in tenements)
There might be a pulley line visible in Hitchcock's Rear Window? (is that what the lady used to lower her dog down to the ground?)

Handsome Stranger Jan 10, 2019 12:25 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/tJMFq7JG/wash.jpg

A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, 1945


https://i.postimg.cc/xd1MBW9z/window.jpg

The Window, 1949

ethereal_reality Jan 10, 2019 12:26 AM

:previous: A-ha...perfect example!

Thanks Handsome Stranger.



And The Window too! (HS added it later)

Valentino Jan 10, 2019 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8431440)
I just saw your post Valentino. You were correct all along. I was..pretty much..repeating what you had already said. My apologies.


Welcome to the thread Valentino.

https://imageshack.com/a/img923/8108/3eAjh3.gif

Thank you e_r and CBD.

That's a very snazzy gif.

Could be a hint there, as he is pull(ey)ing the shade.

ethereal_reality Jan 10, 2019 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 8431478)
Could be a hint there, as he is pull(ey)ing the shade.

You're thinking like one of us already! :tongue4: -frightening.

ethereal_reality Jan 10, 2019 1:05 AM

'mystery location (no laundry in sight)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/miaYiX.jpg
Ebay




with damaged border.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QZ0ijt.jpg

Garden City Photos. 608 E. Fifth Street Los Angeles, Cal.




reverse (no Vanilla Fudge recipe this time)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/0ekRLn.jpg


The Clues:

appears to have been partially erased. I believe the name of the owner is at the top
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/y51YiG.jpg
DETAIL


streets
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/JfXsrC.jpg
DETAIL

I believe it says Sacramento near Mateo.

If anyone can make out the owner's name we might be able to locate [exactly where the house used to be. (the area is industrial now)

GaylordWilshire Jan 10, 2019 1:27 AM

:previous:

In the 1890 CD there is a Collins family at the NWC of Sacramento and Mateo--Thomas a carpenter and Mary a dressmaker, though no "R A" or "R O"... It seems totally flat at Sacramento and Mateo today and there appears to be a sloping street in the vintage view.... But then the Herald of June 28, 1892, reports the sale of Lot 85 of Hiscock & Smith's Addition by R. A. Collins to an Anna Hosburg.... Lot 85, with a house on it on the 1910 Baist, was right at the NWC of Sac & Mateo....

Handsome Stranger Jan 10, 2019 1:32 AM

Enhanced contrast:

https://i.postimg.cc/d30nqLRJ/name-1.jpg

My best guess is R.A. Colton or R.A. Cotton.

ethereal_reality Jan 10, 2019 5:20 AM

One more mystery location for tonight.


“Los Angeles, Cal. flooding in front of Miller Apts. Feb. 19, 1914”.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/9hnKqh.jpg
Ebay


If you closely, you can see the tops of some interesting buildings behind the large sign.




a closer look.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/TVvDUj.jpg
DETAIL

Good luck! :)

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sadykadie2 Jan 10, 2019 5:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8428284)
Great to see Irene "in the flesh." I looked at her daughter's website, but when "Email me" is clicked...there is no address...and the last blogpost was nearly 7 years ago....

Dang, Gaylordwilshire, you're good!:worship:

Harry's Place Jan 10, 2019 8:29 AM

Hi everybody. I'm writing articles about romanian architecture from 1925 to 1940 and recently in my possesion entered ~1000 pictures, news papers, magazines and documents from that era. All of the newspapers and magazines have, among materials from Romania (obvious) lots of stuff about USA from CA to NY. So i'll share with you the CA pictures i'll find.

Here's one from april 1938, waterslide in Venice Beach

https://i.imgur.com/EWmRXu8.png

PS: I apologize for my english as it's not my 1st language.
PPS: I'll upload them at the best resolution possible.

HossC Jan 10, 2019 9:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8431709)

One more mystery location for tonight.

“Los Angeles, Cal. flooding in front of Miller Apts. Feb. 19, 1914”.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/9hnKqh.jpg
Ebay

If you closely, you can see the tops of some interesting buildings behind the large sign.

The CDs of the era list the Miller Apartments at 1116 S Flower. I'm not sure what's behind the sign. The Miller Apartments are the red building roughly at the center of the 1914 Baist map below, and the lot opposite seems to be empty (it's still empty on the 1921 map).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...illerApts1.jpg
www.historicmapworks.com

odinthor Jan 10, 2019 6:27 PM

Thanks, Harry's Place, for your thoughtfulness! Your English is just fine.

Welcome to the thread! :cheers:

Lomara Jan 10, 2019 6:39 PM

My grandparents travelled from Missouri to Los Angeles in either a model A or T Ford around 1920. My Grandmother kept travel diaries in the form of small notebooks documenting the journey. We read them one day and she wrote they covered 200 miles per day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8426721)
This got me thinking about Edwin Goodell--apparently he was a couple of months shy of 23 (not 26 years old, as the article states)-- a sad Depression-era note in what seems to have started out well with his family driving across the country in a Model T in 1924 to start a new life in LA...


With his parents, Sarah ("Sadie") and Louis:
https://i.postimg.cc/ncdH2ddK/goodellwpars-bmp.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/wvCdZPCZ/goodelltripdiary-bmp.jpg

Both from ancestry


GaylordWilshire Jan 10, 2019 7:57 PM

:previous:

Lomara--If around 1920, it would have been a Model T. The Model A (second series) didn't appear until the '28 models came out in late 1927.... Do you have any pictures of the trip?

Handsome Stranger Jan 10, 2019 8:31 PM

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/9hnKqh.jpg

I was curious about the reason for the flooding in front of the Miller Apartments. I found an article in the L.A. Times published February 19, 1914, the same date that appears on the photo. Can't offer a screen grab of the article as I don't wish to go to copyright prison. But here's a few paragraphs, direct quotes, offered under the Fair Use doctrine.
Rain fell an inch an hour yesterday for the first time in the history of Los Angeles.
More than half an inch fell in ten minutes. The city was in the grasp of swirling water.

Between 12 o'clock, noon, and two o'clock, two inches of rain came upon the city in a
deluge which knows no parallel here.

At midnight the precipitation for the storm totalled 4.24 inches, bringing the seasonal
total to 19.28 inches.


• • •

Destruction, in the strict sense of the word, had no part in the storm or its results;
there were no fatalities, or serious injuries, and the only real inconvenience was the
marooning of the populace downtown and flooded homes in the lowlands.

Downtown Los Angeles was inundated and residence, industrial and commercial districts
were flooded by the rain, but only for several hours yesterday.

Reservoir No. 5 could not retain the deluge from the heavens and the big dam above the
Wild Animal Farm broke, flooding the lower East Side and causing many persons to seek
refuge away from their homes.

19.28 inches is a lot of rain. The current seasonal rainfall total for downtown Los Angeles is 5.01 inches.

Also, welcome Harry's Place! I'm looking forward to your photos. If possible, could you indicate which newspapers and magazines published the photos?

ethereal_reality Jan 11, 2019 1:00 AM

:previous: Interesting information Handsome Stranger.



The run-off.. from the extremely heavy rainfall..traveled south and took out this bath house in Long Beach CA. [1914]

February 1914
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/s75wyg.jpg
from claudineburnett

"After the heavy rains of 1914 engineers recommended a comprehensive plan for conservation work, for channel protection, and for the diversion of the Los Angeles and San Gabriel rivers,
from Long Beach and Los Angeles harbors, into Alamitos Bay. They also recommended a diversion dam be constructed from a point near Dominguez Hill to Signal Hill to safeguard the harbor interests."
from claudineburnett


Was the diversion dam, mentioned above, actually built?

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ethereal_reality Jan 11, 2019 1:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry's Place (Post 8431795)

Here's one from April 1938, waterslide in Venice Beach

https://i.imgur.com/EWmRXu8.png

I wasn't aware Venice had a toboggan water slide like this one. -excellent discovery Harry.
Toboggan water slides were very popular back in the 1930s. The slides usually ended up with wire fencing (or slanted boards) on both sides of the slide. (for obvious reasons)
There was one (from this same era, or earlier) at the lakeside amusement resort where my family vacationed in the 1960s & 70s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry's Place (Post 8431795)
I'll share with you the CA pictures I find.

:ohyeah WOO HOO

Good luck with your Romanian architecture project.

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ethereal_reality Jan 11, 2019 2:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8431801)
The CDs of the era list the Miller Apartments at 1116 S Flower. I'm not sure what's behind the sign. The Miller Apartments are the red building roughly at the center of the 1914 Baist map below, and the lot opposite seems to be empty (it's still empty on the 1921 map).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...illerApts1.jpg
www.historicmapworks.com

:previous: Thanks Hoss!


Here's some additional information on the Miller Apartments at 1116 S. Flower. (30 units. Built 1914) same year as the flood snapshot (taken in front of the apt. bldg.)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/1gIxXc.jpg
USC

There is one of these forms [WPA Household Census] for each renter in the building. Perhaps it was one of these tenants that took the flood snapshot.

If you have nothing better to do ;)...you can see all of them HERE.


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Harry's Place Jan 11, 2019 5:43 AM

@all, thank you. This race that looks like a very bad idea took place in CA in the summer of 1936.

https://i.imgur.com/JatFo8u.png


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