The raiload my father worked for, the Western Pacific, had 6 G4s built during WWII. They ran on the main line right behind our house in Elko, NV. My dad made a little step so I could look at the trains over our back fence.

http://www.bitsmasherpress.com/LANoir/G4.jpg

Cheers,

Earl

That is so sweet. It sounds like you had a wonderful father.

The original picture can also be found on rmyauctions.com, where the description says "1939 Slot Machines Destroyed by Government, 1000's of Games Piled Up to be Burned".

That's certainly what they did with them in Chicago, as can be seen in a short 1947 film clip at efootage.com.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...909/hN1NZr.jpg
google_maps

While I was in the Clara Street vicinity I crossed the river (in the google-mobile) and came across this building on the southwest corner of Aliso Street and Mission Road.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/tsNNuv.jpg
gsv

When I see a building like this I try to imagine what it looked like when first built, long before the graceful arches were bricked in.


It's even more interesting a bit further south on Mission Road.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/Dz9GuO.jpg
gsv


I probably wouldn't have bothered posting about it, but I noticed a clue to it's original owners on the Aliso Street frontage.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/mCI1q7.jpg
gsv



detail
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...905/L5cNuV.jpg
gsv

Think we can figure out the original purpose of this building with this one-letter clue?
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Remember Ed Henry? He lived at 161 N. Mission Road, just a long block south of your mystery building w/arches. Ed responded to a post by PHX31 and it was his only post on the thread. Pg 703ish.

:previous:

I posted this picture back in post #18016. I thought I recalled a least one follow-up with color pictures, but maybe I'm just remembering my own research with GSV.

:previous: That's a great shot Hoss. I am surprised most of the arches were already filled in as early as 1944.


I enlarged the photo to try and read the name(s) on the building. -but I still can't make it out.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/GpOB4e.jpg
detail / lapl

161 N. Mission road
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...901/aveisI.jpg
gsv

:previous: I remember him now. I wonder what happened to him?

Interior of St. Josephs Catholic Church, 1960
 

http://www.califaztlan.org/LANoirPics/stjosephs.jpg

http://www.califaztlan.org/LANoirPics/stjosephs.jpg

Interior of St. Joseph's Catholic Church, Los Angeles and 11th Streets, 1960. That's my mother and father being wed. Church was destroyed by fire c.1980.

According to Loopnet 333 N Mission Rd was built in 1920. There were many permits issued in the 1940s to California Mission Vintage (and/or Calif Mission Vintage Winery or Company). There are no permits prior to the 40s. It may have been addressed differently earlier. By 1951 the property is listed as a "factory" with a different owner.

:previous: Thanks for the information t2. I should have guessed the M might have stood for Mission since the building is located on Mission Road.
(although the M on the building faces Aliso Street)




Here's a 1935 view of St. Joseph's Catholic Church where GatoVerde's parents were married.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/23fHFV.jpg
http://blogdowntown.com/2011/10/6440...own-firedamage

Thanks for sharing your personal photograph with us GatoVerde!

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more on St. Joseph's...

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...661/FPhMsy.jpg
http://blogdowntown.com/2011/10/6440...own-firedamage



and it's awful replacement.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/IPbSJz.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...910/qM4ZCn.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7294653@N07/467681097/



Flyingwedge included a fine photograph of St. Joseph's here: (it's visible in the distance in photo #12, and a close-up photo #13)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=19366

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:previous:

Here's St Joseph's on the corner of Los Angeles and 12th Streets on the 1914 Baist map - towards the later end of the possible date range of the picture in Flyingwedge's post.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
www.historicmapworks.com

There's a 1985 article about the building of the replacement church at latimes.com.

:previous: Thanks Hoss.



Pasadena 'mystery' home.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/5jTw34.jpg
eBay

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/gPRQLv.jpg
eBay

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...913/0vhpLz.jpg
reverse

everything but the street address.

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Queen of Angels Middle School
 

Found a user group of Queen of Angels Middle School alumni and I thought I would share. The school stood on the west side of Hill, from Ord and north, across from the Velvet Turtle.

The gym, along Hill btwn Ord and Alpine:
https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...13&oe=56484686
https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...13&oe=56484686

The main building on Hill. The left side of the pic (south side) is Ord Street:
https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a3&oe=56529E35
https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a3&oe=56529E35

I think the gothic brickwork entrance is original. Thanks for these etherialR!

Queen of Angles Middle School
 

A 1959 view from just north of Queen Angels Middle School looking south-east and towards the future site of the Velvet Turtle (thanks to FlyingWedge for this ref.)

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/ref/co...0coll2/id/8910

From my map reading memory: this is adjacent to, and may be part of the same structure that houses "El Pato" cannery, albeit, that is a newer stucco facade, which was a principal railroad produce terminal (Santa Fe?) in the late 1800s. I wonder it this is a newer building or still part of the old depot with a new facade.

According to the City Directories, Roger B Emmons was the manager of J G Wilson Corp. The house in the photo is at 803 Columbia Street, South Pasadena, and appears to have been built in 1925. Here's an article from The Architectural Digest which names the architects as Witmer and Watson.
NB. I've lightened the image for clarity.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...e.jpg~original
archive.org

The house is still there, but it's very hard to get a decent GSV image due to the surrounding trees.

:previous: Excellent find HossC!
Thanks:)

http://www.rapidtransit-press.com/socalmall20.jpghttp://www.rapidtransit-press.com/socalmall20.jpg




The "former" Velvet Turtle on Hill Street.
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townn...bc8c.image.jpghttp://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townn...bc8c.image.jpg



http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/s...a4bcf887a.html



August 1986:

:previous::previous::):) you guys.


it was a great idea, but the jackhammers aren't going to do us any good - the slots are gone. Judge James H. Pope was the party pooper.

I came across this view in the LAPL
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k....jpglapl39.jpg LAPL

Herald-Examiner Collection: "One-armed bandits, 833 of them, found their just reward today in a Los Angeles junk heap. Slot machines seized in a raid on a warehouse, are shown being pounded to pieces by a huge steel ball dropped from an overhead crane." Photo dated: October 4, 1939.

LAT also carried the whimsically-written story, 10-5-39:
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...lle/slots1.jpg http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...lle/slots2.jpg

If we had diving eqipment, we could go after these ones, confiscated from the Rex and dumped in November that same year.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k....jpglapl39.jpg LAPL

Bugsy had these 2 in his home bar. I wonder where they ended up?

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...gbugsysbar.jpg Photo dated Aug 17, 1940. LAPL

There is still one Pioneer Chicken left in the LA area.:

6323 Florence Ave
Bell Gardens, CA 90201

I went there one time to sample it. I was disappointed because they were not using the traditional chicken batter from the old days.
The place is a mere shadow of its former glory. They may have been using Dixie Fry which is similar but not the same.

I used to eat Pioneer in the East Hollywood area on Sunset in the 1970s when I was in college and had some spare coins...one piece only.
Actor Michael J. Fox was also a customer at this location in his early years.

Recipe?.....https://youtu.be/CNWmYtaY9Sg

There have been a lot of places where I would have food that was wonderful...then they close down and I can't find the same taste...anywhere.
This is sad. The solution? I usually have to make it myself.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psa5dyzmje.jpg
yelp

More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Chicken

It was named after Pioneer Market, a now-defunct small chain of supermarkets in Los Angeles. The original location in Echo Park was located next to the 1980s era Pioneer Market (the original 1932 market having been torn down in the 1980s) and is (now a Walgreens Pharmacy) on Echo Park Avenue and Sunset Boulevard. Due to considerable redevelopment activity in the neighborhood caused by gentrification, it was shut down in March 2009.

We lost Coleen Gray yesterday.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/IZ8bzz.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleen_Gray

"In the 1950s Coleen Gray played a crooked nurse in 'The Sleeping City' (1950) and appeared in 'Kansas City Confidential' (1952)
and in the Stanley Kubrick film noir 'The Killing'. Other films included 'The Leech Woman' (1960) and 'The Phantom Planet' (1961)."

Rest in peace pretty lady.
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You know, you're right! Last night when I was looking at the photo I just saw double doors, but now that you mention it they do look like each may be a separate entrance. That would certainly make sense.

Nice research on the Ryan family!

In the early 80's, I worked for the Red Cross main blood center at Pico and Vermont (long gone) as a summer college job. I discovered St. Joseph's during a downtown run as was in awe of the place. I'd stop by for a quick Rosary every now and then, and the place was so full of statutes it seemed crowded and alive even when just a few people were there. I remember driving into work and seeing the smoke plume from the 10 freeway the day it burned. I could never bring myself to go into its new generic replacement.

Here's a reminder of how the Echo Park Avenue Pioneer Chicken looked in April 2009.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eerChicken.jpg
GSV

The next available image is 2011 (below). Like all the more recent images, it shows the current business as Little Caesars 'Hot-n-Ready Pizza'. Is pizza really more gentrified than fried chicken?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tleCaesars.jpg
GSV

She had a brief yet lovely turn in Red River (1948) as John Wayne's initial love interest. She nailed it.

It's really too bad the Pioneer Market was torn down. The other 3 corners (of Echo Park Ave. and Sunset Blvd.) are still anchored by vintage buildings.
The old Pioneer Market site is just a parking lot for the Walgreens, the building itself is set back toward Montana Street.

Here's the old market.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/8LBiYs.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/5QnqbZ.jpg
getty

:previous: It looks like an Apartment Hotel was torn down as well (for the Walgreens parking lot). Does anyone know the name of this hotel?




The photograph below shows a streetcar turning off the Echo Park Line onto Sunset Blvd., with the Pioneer Market in the background.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/KtcOHE.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/CIzlC2.jpg
http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/echopark.htm


site of the old Pioneer Market
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/Sooxq6.jpg



aerial. (I'm guessing at the dimensions)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...913/8bdl0w.jpg
google_aerial

Do you have a vintage aerial for us Hoss? ;)


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Just remembering going to these places as a kid ..... are they all gone?

Lum's
Burger Chef
Arthur Treachers Fish and Chips
Sambos
Red Onion
Velvet turtle
Po' Folks
Farrells
Pioneer Chicken
Charlie Browns
Roy Rodgers
Straw Hat Pizza
Pup "n" Taco

and back then "A and W" was the best root beer served in that frosty mug

even if the food wasn't that good the memories are

Farrells is alive and well:

http://www.farrellsusa.com

I went to the one in Brea a while ago and it was nearly identical to how I remember them as a kid. Apparently a lot of people were feeling nostalgic like I was because the wait for a table was over an hour.

Pup 'n' Taco was swallowed up by Taco Bell sometime in the 80s. There was one on the SE corner of Rosecrans Av & Western Av in Gardena when I moved there in August 1983. The acquistion was not long after that. It appears that the replacement Taco Bell is still there(as of this past April):

https://www.google.com/maps/place/We...3d84c719b990d8

GSV

Forgot about :

Love's BBQ
Naugles ... Viva Naugles! Viva Del Taco! *A commercial I still remember since I was a kid* (When Del Taco bought Naugles when they went in trouble) Del Taco survived. Nasty place though.

The last image to show the old Pioneer Market is 1980 (which fits with the information about its demolition). Luckily, the 1980 image is pretty clear.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...oneerFoods.jpg
Historic Aerials

The Pioneer Market was at 1601 Sunset Boulevard. The 1942 CD lists the Williamson Apartments at 1611½ Sunset Boulevard. Later CDs just seem to list the names of residents, but not the building.

Residential listings for Arthur Treacher:

1936 - 1746 Cherokee Ave.

1939 - 4800 Woodley Ave.

1945 - 14265 Greenleaf



1948 - Ken Niles, Tom (Breakfast With) Breneman and Arthur (Fish and Chips) Treacher.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00083/00083272.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00083/00083272.jpg



1948 -
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00114/00114427.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00114/00114427.jpg



https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.7...d=1.9&rs=0&p=0https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.7...d=1.9&rs=0&p=0





http://boomerscruzin.com/wp-content/...15/03/lums.pnghttp://boomerscruzin.com/wp-content/...15/03/lums.png





Lums, not to be confused with Allan Lum's at 911 N Broadway.
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/v...e.jpg~originalhttp://i668.photobucket.com/albums/v...e.jpg~original




A Brief History of Great Shuttered Restaurants of L.A. (Buggy Whip Steakhouse, El Conquistador, Bahooka, Fung Lum Restaurant and Rubin's Red Hot) >>> http://www.laweekly.com/restaurants/...photos-4448873



The Buggy Whip, 7420 La Tijera Blvd
http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/b...taurant001.jpghttp://images1.laweekly.com/imager/b...taurant001.jpg


http://images1.laweekly.com/imager/b.../9546874.0.jpghttp://images1.laweekly.com/imager/b.../9546874.0.jpg

Thanks for the aerial showing the Pioneer Market Hoss (and for the information on the Williamson Apartments)
I was surprised to see that six good sized buildings stood where the Walgreens parking lot is today.
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1940s matchbook cover.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/FVHjda.jpg
eBay



1026 Santa Fe Avenue today
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/tlviMf.jpg
gsv



The Mefford Chemical Co. left it's M above the entrance.:)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...537/Fvz5ul.jpg
detail / gsv



complete matchbook
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/oi3Ix0.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...540/xVgLwK.jpg
eBay


Mefford's list of products.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...537/WQGzwI.jpg
eBay

"Beautiful vintage 1905 silver gelatin photo of Westlake Park in Los Angeles, California.
Shows a woven gazebo and a Victoria Couple sitting on a bench. Rare images."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/6ATc2j.jpg
eBay

We've seen photographs of the Westlake gazebo on NLA, but none as detailed as this.
The thatched design is quite a work of art.

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I forgot all about Aurther Treacher's Fish and Chips. I used to love them.

Our family ate at a Piece O' Pizza on our first trip to California.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...537/MgeOWP.jpg
http://www.oldlarestaurants.com/piece-o-pizza/




crash!
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...537/5mi9yr.jpg
zimbio

I spy

a nice looking mural in the Blossom Room at the Roosevelt Hotel (1920s).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...661/bZhZ2n.png
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...661/bH3lcJ.png
Hollywood Filmograh at http://lantern.mediahist.org/?f%5Bco...nge_start=1911




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/nmh6vy.png
http://lantern.mediahist.org/?f%5Bco...nge_start=1911


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...912/QMcpVg.jpg

I don't know how long the Blossom Room lasted in the Roosevelt Hotel (or what happened to the mural ;)).

Speaking of murals...take a look at this magnum opus.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/fXwjBW.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../id/2006/rec/1

The fresco/mural was painted in 1936 by Philip Guston (aka Philip Goldstein) & Reuben Kadish for the library at the Los Angeles Tubercular Sanatorium in Duarte CA.

This T-shaped painting surrounding a doorway includes more than 30 nudes and semi-nude figures depicting the sweeping progression of human life. To the left is the energy and hopefulness of youth, while on the right the scenes are of decline and disappointment. Connecting the two sections is a group of figures over the door representing the arts.


detail / left
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/LVlRRr.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../id/2006/rec/1



detail / right
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/taSwGK.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../id/2006/rec/1

Today the Los Angeles Tubercular Sanatorium is City of Hope Medical Center, and the former library is the Visitors Services Center.
As far as I know, the mural is still there.

So what do you think of this mural? I think the subject is depressing...youth and vigor on one side, death and disappointment on the other.
If I were sick with TB I wouldn't appreciate it.

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More from the adventures of Grumpy Cat, er, William Conrad as Frank Cannon. If folks can ID these I'll take a crack at updating imdb. From "Dead Pigeon," 1971

Our hero approaches a mystery motel, right on the beach:

http://www.bitsmasherpress.com/LANoir/Cannon7.jpg

Later at a mystery hotel:

http://www.bitsmasherpress.com/LANoir/Cannon8.jpg

Yeah, up there, that's where the hotel room is:

http://www.bitsmasherpress.com/LANoir/Cannon9.jpg

Gee, I wonder where this is:

http://www.bitsmasherpress.com/LANoir/Cannon10.jpg

And, as fate often has it, we end up at a mystery Emergency Room:

http://www.bitsmasherpress.com/LANoir/Cannon11.jpg

Cheers,

Earl

Thanks ER for posting...another fascinating mural for us to dissect..

This mural reveals that its evidently alright to paint a huge permanent mural that's a visual diagnosis of the artist's mental health or lack there of.

I feel ill just looking at it.

A quick dip over at the Springs and I'll be feeling fine. I especially like the bubbling water effect.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psluqewy2w.jpg
KCET

Probems Regestering Here
 

Sorry to interrupt but two LA historians that I know from the El Pueblo forum at Yahoo have had difficulty registering at SSP (this website) over the years and gave up trying. I don't know what the problem is...

One is Brent Dickerson the creator of 'A Visit to Old Los Angeles and Environs'

https://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal1.html which I'm sure you've seen

..and the second person is none other than LA Cowboy himself, Brady Westwater.

http://lacowboy.blogspot.com/

I've noticed we've had some new members, at least one on July. Does anybody have an idea what the problem is?
Apparently this is beyond ethereal_reality's ability to help because of the way skyscraperpage is set up.
Aside from E_R there's nobody else to talk to here and enquirers to the given "help" address go unanswered.

Did somebody say Naugles?

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/n...estaurant.html

Sadly for me, I was a day late though not a dollar short. Will just have to keep cruising by their location on the weekends until I can spot an opening and pounce.

Mama Look! A Mushroom Cloud!
 

When my wife's mom passed away sixteen years ago and we went through the time honored ritual of cleaning out her Culver City home,
I saved a number of interesting items, including this amusing little jewel from her kitchen. The cold war was so much fun!

http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/...pswnrkmzs9.jpg

I believe this is the original home of ATOMITE. The Google street view address is a bit imprecise. The Standard Floor and Wall Company in Culver City
occupied the corner of the "Meralta block" where Meralta Plaza and Fire Station 1 stand today.

http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/...psjjqqxunf.jpg
Cheers,
Jack

Since this is only a ''thread'' of the blog. I think one would have to register the Skyscraper website + this thread.

WWW & TimBL
 

It's that day again. Although Tim Berners-Lee invented the Web in 1989, 6 August 1991 was the first time it could be publicly accessed, so Happy Birthday to the Web . Berners-Lee designed the Web to be decentralized, with no over-arching authority and has been at the forefront ever since to keep it that way. He also refused to profit from it. He didn't patent it and receives no royalties. It's the gift he meant it to be.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v...05231%2BAM.jpg
www.w3.org/

Here's an early advert for Atomite from the January 23, 1949 edition of the Long Beach Independent.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z.../LAAtomite.jpg
www.newspapers.com

You don't say what problems your friends have encountered, so it's hard to make many suggestions. I know at least one forum I signed up to wouldn't accept a Hotmail (now Outlook) email address. This site is clearly still accepting new members as another two have joined in the last couple of hours.

One thing you could try: if you go to the forum home page, there's a link at the bottom labeled Forum Staff (<-- this link takes you to the same page). It lists three forum administrators - maybe sending a PM to one of them will help to find a solution.

Just a question: What IS GOING ON with the Velvet Turtle building??? It has sat fenced off and vacant for what seems like 30 years.