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GaylordWilshire Dec 7, 2017 3:15 AM

:previous:


So you're saying that the fires are no big deal?


Somebody tell that to the LAT. Its headlines from my feed today:

"Santa Ana winds roar through Southern California, whipping fires on destructive path"

"Southern California’s Trial by Fire"

"Santa Ana winds roar through Southern California, whipping fires on destructive path"

"Dramatic videos show a terrifying morning commute on the 405 as Bel-Air fire grows"


Oh, and there's this, also from the LAT:

"Homes burn in Bel-Air as new fire erupts in heart of L.A."

CityBoyDoug Dec 7, 2017 3:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8011069)
Dunno if this is appropriate here, but I find hysterical headlines from the NYT tiresome:

"California Fires Enter the Heart of Los Angeles"

At least they didn't cap it off with an exclamation point.


Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8011091)
:previous:


So you're saying that the fires are no big deal?


Somebody tell that to the LAT. Its headlines from my feed today:


Dec 6, 2017

poste documenté pour le dossier

Joe Vogel Dec 7, 2017 3:45 AM

HA! Imagine that. I lived in Southern California for over forty years and never found out that Bel Air was "the heart of Los Angeles." When I think of all the time I wasted looking for it downtown!


Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8011069)
Dunno if this is appropriate here, but I find hysterical headlines from the NYT tiresome:

"California Fires Enter the Heart of Los Angeles"

At least they didn't cap it off with an exclamation point.


tovangar2 Dec 7, 2017 4:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Vogel (Post 8011117)
HA! Imagine that. I lived in Southern California for over forty years and never found out that Bel Air was "the heart of Los Angeles." When I think of all the time I wasted looking for it downtown!

LOL.

The people most affected appear to be taking the situation with a grain of salt:

"Idyllic Bel-Air has seen fires before and most still refuse to leave"


I'm sure the apocalypse will come to LA eventually, just not today (unless there's a really big earthquake).

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2017 4:22 AM

Rupert Murdoch's home is on fire. So there's that. :whistle:

fortune

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2017 4:34 AM

DESIGN FOR DISASTER: The Story of the Bel-Air Conflagration

Video Link


"The Bel-Air, Brentwood, and Santa Ynez Fires of November, 1961"

tovangar2 Dec 7, 2017 6:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8011152)
Rupert Murdoch's home is on fire. So there's that. :whistle:

fortune


You are bad.



LAT published Bel-Air's stats:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Lj...0=w734-h372-no
LAT


At least LAT's now calling Bel-Air the "tony Platinum Triangle pocket", not "the heart of Los Angeles".

Nice that the Getty Center is refusing to lose its collective head.

The indigenous people here had sense enough not to live up in the passes and canyons for the very reason being illustrated tonight. Smart. Of course they were also wise enough to not live in rigid, earthquake-prone structures, a good example all of us here have chosen to ignore.




“There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen.”

Raymond Chandler, Red Wind: A Collection of Short Stories



This week's Santa Ana's are quite cool, but still very dry, not hot at all.



P.S. "Flames burned a wine storage shed at media mogul Rupert Murdoch's 16-acre Moraga Vineyards estate and appeared to have damaged about 7 acres of vines, a spokeswoman said." - chicago tribune
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Lorendoc Dec 7, 2017 6:50 AM

style, please?
 
On this night of fires, I had my scanner on as background "just in case." We haven't had a fire in Laurel Canyon in decades, and we're probably due.

The police dispatcher called out some mischief happening in the 4000 block of W. 21st Street. I realized I had no clue where that was, so I nosed over there in the Googlemobile and saw this handsome six-unit apartment:

https://i.imgur.com/JcSn7w5.jpg
GSV

It was built in 1924, and the architect was Milton M. Friedman according to the city building permit. (Evidently not the economist.) He had several larger projects on/near Wilshire, including the non-Black Dahlia-related Hotel Chancellor very recently discussed by Tourmaline here.

Friedman is mentioned by Ruth Wallach in her book Los Angeles Residential Architecture: Modernism Meets Eclecticism:

https://i.imgur.com/ZZERTxe.jpg

The Piccadilly is a survivor:

https://i.imgur.com/AZGUouM.jpg
GSV

Wallach is not far off...

https://i.imgur.com/ad3eqC9.jpg
commons.wikipedia.org

...although the Piccadilly reminds me more of this:

https://i.imgur.com/5QmceP9.jpg
commons.wikipedia.org

tovangar2 Dec 7, 2017 7:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8011241)

I'll hazard Elizabethan in response to "style please", but I'd be interested in what others think.

Joe Gillis Dec 7, 2017 7:38 AM

looks to have a touch of Jacobean to me

Anyone else notice the owl on the roof and the 'dinosaur' on the telegraph wire?

tovangar2 Dec 7, 2017 7:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Gillis (Post 8011256)
looks to have a touch of Jacobean to me

Anyone else notice the owl on the roof and the 'dinosaur' on the telegraph wire?

LOL. Yes.




ETA:

You win. Nice call :-)

Hardwick Hall ("more glass than wall"), 1500s:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ha...4=w754-h546-no
national trust

Felbrigg Hall, 1600s:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Td...o=w817-h518-no
national trust

(Felbrigg's got plenty of beasties too)

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2017 2:34 PM

I have a similar question about this apartment building.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Here's a closer look at 831-33 S. Flower:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/OdaokJ.jpg
The Inland Architect and News Record Vol 43 No 6 June 1904 @ Hathitrust

what style would you all say this is?

BillinGlendaleCA Dec 7, 2017 2:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8010989)
I went back and reread the seller's description BGC. I forgot how precise it was.

"This would be in Sycamore Canyon in the local San Gabriel Mountains just above Pasadena here in Los Angeles County
and the area was very popular with hunting lodge places and recreation hiking and camping with Mt Lowe and Mt Wilson
and so many other trails locations and such. These places came and went through the decades with some wiped out due to a fire
or flood or just being abandoned.
"

Do you think it's possible the seller placed Sycamore Canyon "above Pasadena" because of the photographer's stamp. :shrug:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/CHCr0b.jpg
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Could be the photographer's location in Pasadena might have led to the "above Pasadena" or they were talking about Arroryo Seco canyon which does have lots of sycamore(IIRC, I've not hiked up there in quite some time) and cabins.

CityBoyDoug Dec 7, 2017 3:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8011376)
I have a similar question about this apartment building.




what style would you all say this is?

I would say that ''style'' might be called LA Ostentatious Pretentiousness.

Its totally out of character for LA and would be more appropriate for Shakespearean London about two hundred years ago.:haha::haha:

My teeth hurt just by looking at it. But the leaded glass windows are a nice touch.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/OdaokJ.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/OdaokJ.jpg

tovangar2 Dec 7, 2017 5:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8011471)

Its totally out of character for LA and would be more appropriate for Shakespearean London about two hundred years ago.

Out of character for LA? I thought we were famous for looting the world & history for anything which temporarily caught our fancy to pastiche into something or other. I like this one. One can almost hear the strains of a lute drifting out of those pretty windows (and Shakespeare's been dead 401 years).

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8011376)
I have a similar question about this apartment building.
what style would you all say this is?

I'd say Italian Renaissance, specifically Venetian, where Gothic and Byzantine influences lasted longer than elsewhere in Italy. But that's just a guess.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/na...s=w543-h471-no
Ca' d'Oro on the Grand Canal, Venice

jg6544 Dec 7, 2017 6:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8011069)
Dunno if this is appropriate here, but I find hysterical headlines from the NYT tiresome:

"California Fires Enter the Heart of Los Angeles"

At least they didn't cap it off with an exclamation point.

Bel Air is a lot of things, but it is hardly the "heart" of LA.

Ed Workman Dec 7, 2017 6:18 PM

[QUOTE=GaylordWilshire;8011091]:previous:


So you're saying that the fires are no big deal?
"Dramatic videos show a terrifying morning commute on the 405 as Bel-Air fire grows"


Oh, and there's this, also from the LAT:

"Homes burn in Bel-Air as new fire erupts in heart of L.A."[/QUOTE

No we're saying the usual 'news hysteria ' is the usual crap
Yes there are fires
There are fires every year
Some are big
Some are not
As a former resident of Orange County, my memory goes back to the Green River Fire. And a Bel Air Fire And And
But still, Bel Air is not "...the heart of LA", so Get Real.
I have been searching the news for information on the Ventura fires.
I don't understand why the 'news' folks send out people to talk on camera
It's all the same BS overandoveandover, and in the video archive
Artsy -fartsy pix of flames on a hillside, coming out of a window,
burned house burn vehicle,
very sad interview with folks who just lost everything
How about some backed off shots that set the scene of where- ?????
I've traveled the 101 126 etc enough to recognize areas, and would like to know what's happening, but that won't occur in these daze of worthless 'news/journalism"
Yippee for the New York Trash

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2017 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Ed Workman
Yippee for the New York Trash.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?
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Martin Pal Dec 7, 2017 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8011230)
Nice that the Getty Center is refusing to lose its collective head.
_______________________________________________________________

Although they might well have:

https://americansecuritytoday.com/wp...rball-fire.jpg

https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/...9265025768.jpg


Why are some of you so angry or antagonisitic, as it appears you are, concerning these fires and/or the news coverage of them?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Workman (Post 8011683)
How about some backed off shots that set the scene of where- ?????
_______________________________________________________________


https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017...ticleLarge.jpg

ethereal_reality Dec 7, 2017 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8011756)
Why are some of you so angry or antagonistic, as it appears you are, concerning these fires and/or the news coverage of them?

I was wondering the same thing.

:shrug:


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