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Snix Sep 17, 2020 1:41 AM

Duperrault told the 1910 census that his profession was home builder and that he owned 434 Lake Ave. In 1916 he built shops at 3909 – 3911 S. Vermont Ave. and 3639 – 3641 S. Vermont Ave. The business address on the permits is 230 S. Soto St. which ran real estate ads in the Herald without addresses.

Los Angeles Herald, Volume XLII, Number 11, 14 November 1916

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9043696)
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mystery location

I happened upon this fine looking rppc a few days ago on eBay


California Home of A. Duperrault ...Los Angeles, Cal.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/gJ9PY9.jpg

I cropped this one a bit to reduce the slant. ........................................................................................................................................................................................................I couldn't decide which one to use.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/AE7Z7b.jpg
eBay

There's a hand-written arrow pointing to one of the windows. . .(perhaps a visitor pointing out the guest room) :shrug:


A. Duperrault moved & moved & moved & moved.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/AGOTAT.jpg
lapl

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/YwDrTv.jpg
lapl

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/GT7p7E.jpg
lapl

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/mfuQGC.jpg
lapl

So how do I decide which address is the correct one?


Easy.

I didn't realize until after I looked through the directories that the address is on the back! :duh


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/27Qd4f.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/EfSuwA.jpg

Adolphe Duperrault hasn't previously appeared in the thread. Does anyone know who he was?


For search purposes:.....Adolphe Duperrault..... 434 Lake Street..... Los Angeles
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ethereal_reality Sep 17, 2020 4:05 PM

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noirishers -

who wants to bite the bullet & translate this?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/tWnbRF.jpg
duperrault postcard

...other than "glacial Detroit" it's in French.

. . .devenir des serviteurs occupes! :superwhip

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Godzilla Sep 17, 2020 6:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9043939)
:previous:

I too remember seeing 446 N Lake Street on NLA, and probably the little courtyard next door too, but I also failed to find them.

BTW. The property sites given a build date of 1916 for the current 434 N Lake Street house. That's just five years after Mr Duperrault was there.




:shrug:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...postcount=4580
https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6079...97f37143_z.jpg

AlvaroLegido Sep 17, 2020 6:09 PM

Difficult to read
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9044691)
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noirishers -who wants to bite the bullet & translate this?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/tWnbRF.jpg
duperrault postcard
...
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" […] The health is good since we are here. Please write sometimes. [X] works in a store from 8 to 6 every day. We always think to you  […] We have a very good climate and a radiant sun very appreciated after getting out of the freezing Detroit. Thousand kisses to share."

HossC Sep 17, 2020 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m (Post 9043996)

Rick M. writes---
Well I did post my own photo of this glorious apartment at Lake street -- About eight years ago-- no one commented about it as I remember---!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 9044039)

I couldn't find your post, rick, but here's one from five years ago. The building at 446 N. Lake was moved there from 624 S. Alvarado in 1924.


Thanks, rick m, Flyingwedge and Godzilla. I knew I hadn't imagined it. I'll just have to look harder next time!

riichkay Sep 17, 2020 7:48 PM

Because whenever I think of hair styling, the first name that always comes to mind is Redd Foxx....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
Getty/Ed Ruscha

7561 Sunset Blvd., August 1975.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

odinthor Sep 17, 2020 7:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6331369)

[...]


The apartments include this archaic garage located behind the building on Zalvidea Street (what a name!).
http://imageshack.us/a/img703/1548/yqqr.jpg

[...]

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e_r, from my notes:

Zalvidea, Jose Maria (Padre) March 2, 1780, born at Bilbao, Spain; August 31, 1805, arrived in California at San Francisco; February 1, 1806, to August 31, 1806, assigned to Mission San Fernando Rey; December 19, 1806, to January 15, 1827, served at Mission San Gabriel; ca. 1821, noted by eventual centenarian Eulalia Perez at San Gabriel as treating the Indians very well, and much beloved; his enthusiastic efforts at grapevine cultivation at Mission San Gabriel, undertaken without the approval of his superiors, at length brought about his forced transfer to Mission San Juan Capistrano, thus March 4, 1826 (overlaps service at Mission San Gabriel) to November 26, 1842, at Mission San Juan Capistrano; as the years went on, increasingly mystical, and some thought him mad; “There were those who tried to brand him insane, but they had no basis in fact. They were just reacting to the Father’s habit of telling them the bitter truth about their abuses and disorderliness”; end of November?, 1842, to ca. the latter part of June, 1846 (when he died), served at Mission San Luis Rey.


By the way, those interested in California history as well as partying might wish to celebrate today September 17 as the (1776) day the San Francisco Presidio was established!

CaliNative Sep 18, 2020 3:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9044691)
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noirishers -

who wants to bite the bullet & translate this?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/tWnbRF.jpg
duperrault postcard

...other than "glacial Detroit" it's in French.

. . .devenir des serviteurs occupes! :superwhip

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I understand a little French but the cursive script is quite illegible. Amazing we used to write this way. Sometimes I have trouble reading my old longhand. Good luck to any brave soul who wants to plunge into the cursive spaghetti. Amazed the post office was able to deliver these nearly every time.

ethereal_reality Sep 18, 2020 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido (Post 9044870)
[…] The health is good since we are here. Please write sometimes. [X] works in a store from 8 to 6 every day. We always think to you  […] We have a very good climate and a radiant sun very appreciated after getting out of the freezing Detroit. Thousand kisses to share.

Thanks for the translation, AlvaroLegido.

I was hoping the message would contain some intriguing clues but I see it was the usual generic postcard message.

_______________________________________________________________________________________





& I appreciate the information on Zalvidea Street, odinthor.

At first I didn't realize you were talking about the street behind N. Lake Street.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/BP7PMh.jpg
google aerial


If the street number for the house, once it became apartments, was 446 1/2 - 448 1/2 (a duplex)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/UVc4rk.jpg
1950 Sanborn Map


Why so many garage spaces?


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/PO5mr8.jpg
gsv


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/NwzMVw.jpg
gsv

A total of six. (when I started this post I actually thought there were more than that)

________________________________________________________________________




& while I'm thanking people. . :)

Thanks for straightening the Duperrault house, Scott Charles. It looks great!

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ethereal_reality Sep 19, 2020 1:28 AM

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...A mystery parade showing a delegation of men wearing white suits and carrying white umbrellas!


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pnBPnv.jpg
eBay

The contingent makes me thinks of New Orleans or the Caribbean. It's possible the men are of African or African-American descent but it's a bit difficult to tell for sure.



the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/SCG9DB.jpg

.... "Swobd" :shrug:

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odinthor Sep 19, 2020 2:06 AM

:previous:

Swobdi Millinery...

https://i.postimg.cc/gJh4FXwm/Swobdi-Her-17-8-29.jpg
Los Angeles Herald, 8/29/1917

CaliNative Sep 19, 2020 6:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9046698)
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...A mystery parade showing a delegation of men wearing white suits and carrying white umbrellas!


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pnBPnv.jpg
eBay

The contingent makes me thinks of New Orleans or the Caribbean. It's possible the men are of African or African-American descent but it's a bit difficult to tell for sure.



the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/SCG9DB.jpg

.... "Swobd" :shrug:

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^^^
Looks like an early version of the Doo Dah Parade. But seriously, many labor organizations long ago had men in white suits carrying umbrellas in parades as a symbol of labor unity (workers under the umbrella/protection of a union). Here is another example from Indiana in the early 20th century--again men in white suits with umbrellas, in this case a baker's union; click on the photo in the link below and you see the umbrella men in white suits:

https://indianaalbum.pastperfectonli...D-933439182128

So, in all likelihood the parade in your photo is some sort of union parade, probably on Labor Day. I don't know what SWOBD means, but maybe it was some sort of millinery union (hatmakers). The word millinery is on the back of the postcard.

odinthor Sep 19, 2020 2:00 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/yNDJYxMG/Swobdi-LAT-04-4-16.jpg
LA Times, 4/16/1904

Earl Boebert Sep 19, 2020 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9047024)

The dark store sign at the upper left reads "Swobdi."

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Sep 19, 2020 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative
Labor organizations long ago had men in white suits carrying umbrellas in parades as a symbol of labor unity (workers under the umbrella/protection of a union).

:previous: That solves the white suits / white umbrellas mystery! Good sleuthing, CaliNative. If I had known I would have posted the parade photograph on Labor Day.

odinthor. . . so 'Swobdi' is the store. I can see it now in the photograph. (that's the reason millinery was written on the back of the pic) :duh


I've never heard of Swobdi as a surname. If you search for it on the internet you get zip. (nothing)
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ethereal_reality Sep 19, 2020 4:08 PM

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mystery location. (1965)...

Does anyone recognize this beach? It's in the Los Angeles area. :shrug:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/WPU6TS.jpg
rediscovered in an old file of mine (I hope I haven't posted it some years back)

As you can see there's an antique store on the left and a Mobil gas station on the right.




UPDATE:

I just noticed the answer is right there in the photograph....Does anyone else see it?

. . .or have any idea what's going on in the photo?

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unihikid Sep 19, 2020 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9047159)
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mystery location. (1965)...

Does anyone recognize this beach? It's in the Los Angeles area. :shrug:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/WPU6TS.jpg
rediscovered in an old file of mine (I hope I haven't posted it some years back)

As you can see there's an antique store on the left and a Mobil gas station on the right.




UPDATE:

I just noticed the answer is right there in the photograph....Does anyone else see it?

. . .or have any idea what's going on in the photo?

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Huntington Beach ... I mean "hcaeB notgnitnuH";)

ethereal_reality Sep 19, 2020 5:04 PM

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Yep. Good eye, unihikid....lol







OK, here's a mystery location that I don't know the answer to.

I found it on a website honoring the child actress Lassie Lou.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/LXVH4b.jpg

"The Helen Holmes Serial (1924)"










https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Gk0mof.jpg
younghollywood

As you can see it shows a woman and a child (Helen Holmes? and li'l Lassie Lou) on an old wooden tressle. There is a small settlement on the far side of the bridge.





Super-duper LARGE.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/IU8gN7.jpg
younghollywood

I spy a doggy too.



Here are the episodes if anyone wants to check them out.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/iUtpRc.jpg
imdb

........................................................................................:lmao:








these episodes are actually from an earlier serial, Hazards of Helen....(Lassie Lou wasn't born until 1920)

odinthor Sep 19, 2020 9:10 PM

Speaking of Miss Swobdi, have we had this structure on NLA before?:

https://i.postimg.cc/RFFWhRW4/Swobdi-22-8-20.jpg
LA Times, 8/20/1922

https://i.postimg.cc/fbHx8kXW/Swobdi-LAT-23-5-10.jpg
LA Times, 5/10/1923

CaliNative Sep 19, 2020 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9047193)
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Yep. Good eye, unihikid....lol







OK, here's a mystery location that I don't know the answer to.

I found it on a website honoring the child actress Lassie Lou.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/LXVH4b.jpg

"The Helen Holmes Serial (1924)"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Gk0mof.jpg
younghollywood

As you can see it shows a woman and a child (Helen Holmes? and li'l Lassie Lou) on an old wooden tressle. There is a small settlement on the far side of the bridge.

Super-duper LARGE.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/IU8gN7.jpg
younghollywood

I spy a doggy too.



Here are the episodes if anyone wants to check them out.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/iUtpRc.jpg
imdb

........................................................................................:lmao:


these episodes are actually from an earlier serial, Hazards of Helen....(Lassie Lou wasn't born until 1920)

^^^

"Perils of Pauline" genre was very common back then. Many imitators. Villains in black suits, top hats twirling their moustashes. Dogs often to the rescue. Rin Tin Tin and later Lassie etc.

CaliNative Sep 20, 2020 3:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 9047188)
Huntington Beach ... I mean "hcaeB notgnitnuH";)

When I was a kid, we sometimes went to Seal Beach or nearby H B. You almost always got tar on your feet. Tar balls were in the sand from offshore oil activities. My mom carried a little tin of lighter fluid to get the tar off when we left. Couldn't get tar in the car.

Mackerm Sep 20, 2020 9:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9047193)

OK, here's a mystery location that I don't know the answer to.

I found it on a website honoring the child actress Lassie Lou.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/LXVH4b.jpg

"The Helen Holmes Serial (1924)"

I think Webs of Steel deserves a hard look, based on its description at
Amazon
:
Star Helen Holmes performed her own stunts; one involving a runaway train speeding toward a child trapped on a trestle.
Also, the cover picture shows her wearing a big hat.

From Necessary Storms:
In 1925 they made five features. One, Webs of Steel, is one of the more unusual films of the era ─ the Helen in this movie is the Helen of old: strong, intelligent, fearless. She rescues a child and a puppy on a railroad trestle while wearing high heels.

ethereal_reality Sep 21, 2020 4:42 PM

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Thanks for the information, Mackerm!





Let's start the week off with a mystery location.


Original Slide, 1964 Los Angeles Street Scene, Perma-Hair of Hollywood & Chop Suey Cafe.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/vUOCQD.jpg
eBay


for search purposes: hair weev of california - perma hair of hollywood - barber shop - chop suey cafe - lane's invisible french weaving - millinery hobby shop - abbco glass & mirror co. - hatters - pawn shop -

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ethereal_reality Sep 21, 2020 5:50 PM

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Here's one more.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kA5F39.jpg
eBay


cheerio gifts - dept. store



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HossC Sep 21, 2020 6:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9048704)

Let's start the week off with a mystery location.

Original Slide, 1964 Los Angeles Street Scene, Perma-Hair of Hollywood & Chop Suey Cafe.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/vUOCQD.jpg
eBay

for search purposes: hair weev of california - perma hair of hollywood - barber shop - chop suey cafe - lane's invisible french weaving - millinery hobby shop - abbco glass & mirror co. - hatters - pawn shop -

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We're looking at the west side of the 3900 block of S Western Avenue. The image below is from the 1965 CD because Abbco Glass & Mirror Co wasn't there in the 1964 CD. For search purposes, we have Perma-Hair of Hollywood at 3927, Champs Barber Shop at 3925, Bobby Hat Shop at 3921, Abbco Glass & Mirror Co at 3919, Eastern Hatters at 3917 Dorothy's Steak House at 3915 and Western Loan at 3911.

The site is now home to a more modern building housing DaVita Los Angeles Dialysis Center.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...PermaHair1.jpg
LAPL

The eagle-eyed amongst you will have noticed the Palm Vue Motel in the list above. We only saw this a few days ago - it would've been right across the street

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9027243)

Here's another theater that hasn't garnered much (if any) interest on NLA.

The Western Theater on the 3900 block of S. Western Avenue. ....FAR RIGHT - - - >

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/R2sa4d.jpg
cinematreasures

The other image is the north end of the same block. Cheerio Cards was at 3903 and Bon Marche Department Store was at 3901.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9048787)
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Here's one more.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kA5F39.jpg
eBay

Cheerio gifts - dept. store


HossC Sep 21, 2020 7:24 PM

:previous:

I went to look at Historic Aerials to see when this block was demolished. The northern end with the department store had gone by 1972, replaced by a gas station. At the southern end, the buildings lasted longer, so, on a hunch, I looked at the older GSV images. The Perma-Hair store and its neighbor lasted until at least 2009 (they were gone by 2011). I think the Flamingo Mirrors & Glass sign is the same one which once said Chop Suey Cafe. There's a parking lot there today!

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...PermaHair2.jpg
GSV

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9048704)


CaliNative Sep 22, 2020 4:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9048704)
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Thanks for the information, Mackerm!





Let's start the week off with a mystery location.


Original Slide, 1964 Los Angeles Street Scene, Perma-Hair of Hollywood & Chop Suey Cafe.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/vUOCQD.jpg
eBay


for search purposes: hair weev of california - perma hair of hollywood - barber shop - chop suey cafe - lane's invisible french weaving - millinery hobby shop - abbco glass & mirror co. - hatters - pawn shop -

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Can you still find "chop suey"? Are there any Chop Suey signs or places left? Used to be common 50+ years ago. I think "egg foo young" is also hard to find now days. Chop suey + egg foo young seemed to go together with fried rice, fried shrimp, chow mein & fortune cookies. It wasn't bad. Whether it was authentic Chinese, probably not. Probably invented in the CA gold rush in the Chinese camps and some of the bolder 49ers tried it and liked it. Better than the slop they were used to. American "Chinese" food was born.

Scott Charles Sep 22, 2020 8:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9049446)
Can you still find "chop suey"? Are there any Chop Suey signs or places left? Used to be common 50+ years ago. I think "egg foo young" is also hard to find now days. Chop suey + egg foo young seemed to go together with fried rice, fried shrimp, chow mein & fortune cookies. It wasn't bad. Whether it was authentic Chinese, probably not. Probably invented in the CA gold rush in the Chinese camps and some of the bolder 49ers tried it and liked it. Better than the slop they were used to. American "Chinese" food was born.

First place that sprang to mind - Far East, in Little Tokyo:

https://i.imgur.com/mmB6Ity.jpg

... but they don't actually serve chop suey! :(

The stuff you're talking about isAmerican Chinese food”... but that doesn't stop me from loving the stuff.

My mom always loved Egg Foo Young, and was very sad when it became virtually impossible to find.

Then I discovered Won Kok in Chinatown. They have all the old classics and it tastes just like it did back in the 1970s.

https://i.imgur.com/fzHStMm.jpg

I order shrimp Egg Fu Young practically every time I go there.

https://i.imgur.com/9dRkMbF.jpg

I love the place, and go there as often as possible, but be warned - I've had a few friends, with more modern, refined tastes... and they think Won Kok is greasy and awful.

I think it's greasy and terrific! :D

ethereal_reality Sep 22, 2020 4:56 PM

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A distillery in Burbank?...Burbank, California! ? ....:shrug: Wh a a a a a t?


Currently on eBay

Seller's description:..."NEGATIVE OF THE THREE G DISTILLERY BURBANK CALIFORNIA"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/hZuc4d.jpg
eBay

The Three G. G. G Distillery Corp.,... Burbank, California. You can make out the three G's on top of the grain elevator :previous:


and if you look closely SG GIN is painted on one of the buildings at the left edge of the photo.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/FCDGCT.jpg
detail

The 'S' might be a partially hidden G.







Let's take a closer look at the grain elevator.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ISarZ4.jpg

Does anyone know where, in Burbank, this distillery was located?













Oh. . .and one more thing.

I can't ignore the beautiful tree standing all alone.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/fJXH35.jpg

odinthor, is this a Big Leaf Maple?



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odinthor Sep 22, 2020 5:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9049838)
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[...]

Oh. . .and one more thing.

I can't ignore the beautiful tree standing all alone.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/fJXH35.jpg

odinthor, is this a Big Leaf Maple?



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e_r, I'm betting on Quercus agrifolia, the Coast Live Oak!

badrunner Sep 22, 2020 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9048704)
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Thanks for the information, Mackerm!





Let's start the week off with a mystery location.


Original Slide, 1964 Los Angeles Street Scene, Perma-Hair of Hollywood & Chop Suey Cafe.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/vUOCQD.jpg
eBay


for search purposes: hair weev of california - perma hair of hollywood - barber shop - chop suey cafe - lane's invisible french weaving - millinery hobby shop - abbco glass & mirror co. - hatters - pawn shop -

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I would have guessed Hollywood or Fairfax area based on the building stock. Wasn't expecting it to be all the way down at 39th st.

South LA in the 60s seems otherworldly... the side by side hair weave places, the pastel art deco storefronts, the vintage streetlamps. Surely this picture slipped in form a different timeline.

Snix Sep 22, 2020 8:03 PM

Won Kok is one of my favorites, too!
Love that place.
Foo Chow on Hill Street, Bamboo Kitchen on 7th, and Paul's Kitchen on San Pedro Street all have Chop Suey and Egg foo young on the menu. The former Paul's Kitchen #2 on Jefferson (Now hiding under a stucco infill as Tim's Chinese) also has both dishes.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...95427eb5_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9fed7d6f_z.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9049493)
First place that sprang to mind - Far East, in Little Tokyo:

https://i.imgur.com/mmB6Ity.jpg

... but they don't actually serve chop suey! :(

The stuff you're talking about isAmerican Chinese food”... but that doesn't stop me from loving the stuff.

My mom always loved Egg Foo Young, and was very sad when it became virtually impossible to find.

Then I discovered Won Kok in Chinatown. They have all the old classics and it tastes just like it did back in the 1970s.

https://i.imgur.com/fzHStMm.jpg

I order shrimp Egg Fu Young practically every time I go there.

https://i.imgur.com/9dRkMbF.jpg

I love the place, and go there as often as possible, but be warned - I've had a few friends, with more modern, refined tastes... and they think Won Kok is greasy and awful.

I think it's greasy and terrific! :D


AlvaroLegido Sep 22, 2020 8:24 PM

Farewell my Lovely (1975)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9049493)
First place that sprang to mind - Far East, in Little Tokyo:
https://i.imgur.com/mmB6Ity.jpg

The restaurant where Philip Marlowe (Robert Mitchum) meets Moose Malloy.

HossC Sep 22, 2020 8:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9049838)

A distillery in Burbank?...Burbank, California! ? ....:shrug: Wh a a a a a t?

Currently on eBay

Seller's description:..."NEGATIVE OF THE THREE G DISTILLERY BURBANK CALIFORNIA"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/hZuc4d.jpg
eBay

So many sources just list the Three G Distillery Corp's address as "Burbank, California". This includes the various bottles, adverts and even the court cases that I came across. Eventually, I found the location in a book catchily titled Investigation of the National Recovery Administration, Volume 6 by United States Congress Senate Committee on Finance. It dates from 1935, and provides the inset below. The main image is a detail from a 1938 aerial view. Although San Fernando Boulevard is easy to see, it looks like Ontario Street was little more than a track.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Looking through the images at Historic Aerials, I think the site survived until the late-70s.

Martin Pal Sep 22, 2020 8:42 PM

^^^

Do you think they meant 5335 Melrose "Avenue"? I can find no Melrose "Street" in L.A. or the valley. Though that address is Paramount Studios. (A front for a distillery?)
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THIS INFO IS LIKELY INCORRECT:
And this website says the Burbank distillery was located "on Magnolia Blvd. near Buena Vista." :shrug: (2.3 miles south of Ontario St. and San Fernando Blvd.)
https://myburbank.com/flashback-friday-3-g-distillery/
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One 3G Distillery item from Burbankers Remember (11/11) has this info:
The 3G Distillery was made into a sub factory for Lockheed just before WWII; that is how it went out of business.
http://wesclark.com/burbank/burbankers_remember.html
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The above "sub factory" for Lockheed mention is not referencing submarines, but rather something as an addition or Annex to Lockheed.
In this book: Lockheed: The People Behind the Story, there is this:

Arda E. Lee: Mechanic. With the P-38 in production, Lockheed was running out of floor space. To help alleviate this problem, Lockheed bought the 3G Distillery approximately one mile up the road and mved all tooling to this location. The former owners reserved the right to one building that was stored with aging whiskey until it was ready to be bottled.

The 3G Distillery was located near a small town named Roscoe. Until then hardly anyone had heard of Roscoe, but with newspapers kidding about the name, fathers had enough and they officially changed the name to Sun Valley. The plant was known as the 3-G Plant. These buildings housed all Lockheed tooling and manufacturing and was located west of the Verdugo Mountain Range with Sunland and Tujunga located on the east side. It was over these rugged uninhabited hills that test pilots performed part of the test dives and was plainly visible from the 3-G Plant.


Richard P. "Dick" DeGrey, Jr.: Draftsman, Designer, Engineer, Division Manager, Project Engineer, and Program Manager: I was transferred to the P38 Project. [...] Lockheed had purchased the 3G Whiskey Distillery, just north of San Fernando Rd. to gain more floor space to design and produce the Model. Part of the 3G complex included a bonded whiskey warehouse full of oak barrells that were removed on weekends as their time came up. Coming to work on Monday morning was quite an experience. The whole place reeked of whiskey. I guess some of the barrels leaked or were damaged in the shipping process.

Or: :cheers:

HossC Sep 22, 2020 9:00 PM

:previous:

I also found this map on Facebook which gives the San Fernando/Ontario location. It looks like some of the site had become part of Lockheed by 1949.

The caption says "Here's the 1949 Sanborn Fire Map of the Three G Distillery / Lockheed Manufacturing Site at San Fernando Road and Ontario St., Burbank. No doubt that Lockheed added some covered Square Footage from the time that Robert Gross purchased this property in 1939."

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
Michael Ragan on Facebook

Martin Pal Sep 22, 2020 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9049446)
Can you still find "chop suey"? Are there any Chop Suey signs or places left?
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You don't see many...but many places still have it on their menus here and there...whatever they happen to think that is! :)

This one is at the Grand Central Market

http://welchwrite.com/blog/wp-conten...-suey-neon.jpg

riichkay Sep 23, 2020 12:03 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Burl's Room, Hollywood Blvd. at Hillhurst, has been mentioned a couple of times, starting with a matchbook post by HossC back on page 1402....Hoss bemoaned the fact that we had not seen a photo of the place, this 1966 image from the recently released Ed Ruscha collection remedies that.

In a follow up to the original post Hollywood Graham provided this...

"Here's some Noir for you ....Rosemary LaBianca, prior to her marriage, was a waitress at the Burl Room. Yes, THAT Rosemary LaBianca. This tidbit is mentioned in the LAPD Homicide report."

The building was also covered on pg. 2553-4, with a photo of the structure in its original glory.  

For some reason, despite the prior posts, I kept thinking the Burl's at Hollywood/Hillhurst was a drive-in....Burl's #2, at Pico and Beverly Dr., was most definitely a drive-in, see my post on pg. 2731, screen grabs from the 1952 release "The Ring".

Ruscha returned to the corner in Aug. 1975....the rear lounge portion of Burl's was now a separate cocktail/dance place....as a bonus, we get a "Chop Suey" sign....  

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Bristolian Sep 23, 2020 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9049838)

...and if you look closely SG GIN is painted on one of the buildings at the left edge of the photo.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/FCDGCT.jpg
detail

The 'S' might be a partially hidden G.

Or a "3"?

CaliNative Sep 23, 2020 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9048704)
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Thanks for the information, Mackerm!





Let's start the week off with a mystery location.


Original Slide, 1964 Los Angeles Street Scene, Perma-Hair of Hollywood & Chop Suey Cafe.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/vUOCQD.jpg
eBay


for search purposes: hair weev of california - perma hair of hollywood - barber shop - chop suey cafe - lane's invisible french weaving - millinery hobby shop - abbco glass & mirror co. - hatters - pawn shop -

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9049493)
First place that sprang to mind - Far East, in Little Tokyo:

https://i.imgur.com/mmB6Ity.jpg

... but they don't actually serve chop suey! :(

The stuff you're talking about isAmerican Chinese food”... but that doesn't stop me from loving the stuff.

My mom always loved Egg Foo Young, and was very sad when it became virtually impossible to find.

Then I discovered Won Kok in Chinatown. They have all the old classics and it tastes just like it did back in the 1970s.

https://i.imgur.com/fzHStMm.jpg

I order shrimp Egg Fu Young practically every time I go there.

https://i.imgur.com/9dRkMbF.jpg

I love the place, and go there as often as possible, but be warned - I've had a few friends, with more modern, refined tastes... and they think Won Kok is greasy and awful.

I think it's greasy and terrific! :D

I wonder if they deliver to north San Diego County? I want that for dinner.

CaliNative Sep 23, 2020 3:01 AM

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ethereal_reality Sep 23, 2020 3:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 9050515)
Or a "3"?

How did I not see that as a 3 :duh It's the name of the damn place



hmmm. . I wonder what the circle in the top left hand corner of Hoss's aerial could be?


A big ol' vat of gin?

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BillinGlendaleCA Sep 23, 2020 5:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9050628)


I wonder what the circle in the top left hand corner of Hoss's aerial could be?

Alian landing zone.:cool:

transitfan Sep 23, 2020 2:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9048787)
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Here's one more.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kA5F39.jpg
eBay


cheerio gifts - dept. store



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Love the 1961 Buick LeSabre in the pic (unless that was an Invicta).

My parents first car was a '61 LeSabre (but black instead of white).

ethereal_reality Sep 23, 2020 4:55 PM

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re: Three G Distillery / Lockheed Manufacturing Site, Burbank.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC

The image is a detail from a 1938 aerial view.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nqDCOe.jpg

:previous: Great find, Hoss. When I first happened upon the eBay photo of the 3 G Distillery I thought it was mislabeled.






But now I find myself confused:...The following quote is from an article at KCET ..."Lockheed opened its operations in February 1928 with 50 employees."....... 1928! quelle surprise


and this aerial, from the same article, is dated January 1, 1928.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z5SHKx.jpg
KCET


The article implies this is the early Lockheed Plant. (there is no mention of the distillery)

So are we looking at the 3 G Distillery or the Lockheed Plant? :shrug:






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ethereal_reality Sep 23, 2020 6:36 PM

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Here's an amazing cabinet card just listed on eBay

I'm going to place the description of the photograph below the image to see if anyone can guess the occupation of the three gentlemen....Good luck!


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Frank Merriweather. . . . . . . .T. W. Jones. . . . . . . .Dad

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/bfaw5J.jpg
eBay







. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."Operating table in Veterinary Hospital - About 651 So. Broadway"...1900 - 1904.




The reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/a3bfnZ.jpg



This is an amazingly rare find. Let's try to dig up some information about the hospital and the three men!

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HossC Sep 23, 2020 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9051139)

But now I find myself confused:...The following quote is from an article at KCET ..."Lockheed opened its operations in February 1928 with 50 employees."....... 1928! quelle surprise

and this aerial, from the same article, is dated January 1, 1928.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z5SHKx.jpg
KCET


The article implies this is the early Lockheed Plant. (there is no mention of the distillery)

So are we looking at the 3 G Distillery or the Lockheed Plant? :shrug:

Here's a wider view of the 1928 aerial that KCET used (full resolution at link below the image). I've marked the future site of the distillery with the red box. The first Lockheed buildings were a few blocks to the south-east. The diamond-shaped park in the center at the bottom is still there - it's now known as Vickroy Park.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Ten years later, this is a wider view from the 1938 aerial that I posted yesterday. On the left is an early layout of what-is-now Hollywood Burbank Airport. At the time it would've been the Union Air Terminal. I can only see one plane there. There's also a drive-in theater below the distillery, with a whole block to itself. It survived until at least 1972, but was gone by 1977.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
mil.library.ucsb.edu

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 23, 2020 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9051139)
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re: Three G Distillery / Lockheed Manufacturing Site, Burbank.


:previous: Great find, Hoss. When I first happened upon the eBay photo of the 3 G Distillery I thought it was mislabeled.






But now I find myself confused:...The following quote is from an article at KCET ..."Lockheed opened its operations in February 1928 with 50 employees."....... 1928! quelle surprise


and this aerial, from the same article, is dated January 1, 1928.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z5SHKx.jpg
KCET


The article implies this is the early Lockheed Plant. (there is no mention of the distillery)

So are we looking at the 3 G Distillery or the Lockheed Plant? :shrug:






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The distillery is about a mile to the northwest. Empire is the street at the top of your photo.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gmtk4S3w/Screen...-Annotated.jpg

Martin Pal Sep 23, 2020 8:24 PM

:previous:

Right, E_R's link has the photo caption: An aerial view of Burbank, between Buena Vista Street (left) and the intersection of Burbank Boulevard, Victory Boulevard and Victory Place (right).

This Thomas Guide Map of Lockheed after WWII shows how the area grew. Where it says "To Palmdale" on this map is where the Distillery/Lockheed P-38 addition was located.

https://i.imgur.com/rs7Rsi1.pngMsFLights

For a larger version click on the above photo.

Lwize Sep 24, 2020 12:57 AM

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