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CityBoyDoug Aug 17, 2015 10:37 PM

Murder-Suicide Scene July 23, 1948 Friday Bodies of Alvin Roberts 48 and his wife, Maxine 31, lie in friend's Hollywood apartment after Roberts pumped three bullets into wife's body, then shot himself through head. Dual tragedy followed family quarrel.

Alvin Roberts, prominent here as a teamsters' union official, yesterday shot and killed his wife, Maxine, and then committed suicide in a friend's home in Hollywood. The murder and suicide, police said, followed a night-long quarrel. The shooting took place in the home of Mr. and Mrs. E. J. Perkins, 5837 Gregory Avenue, in Hollywood. Mrs. Perkins witnessed the slayings.

According to Los Angeles police information, the dead couple had parted the previous night. Mrs. Perkins told officers that Mrs. Roberts came to her homeWednesday night. Soon after, she said, Roberts arrived with a Pint of Whisky "He had a pint of whisky and drank it all up while they fought," Mrs. Perkins said. "Then he got up and went out. "He came back a moment later with a revolver. I tried to stop him at the door but he pushed me aside. "Mrs. Roberts tried to get away. He shot her three times, in the back, and then shot himself." Police said both died instantly.

After the shootings , Mrs. Perkins ran to an adjoining room, where her baby daughter, Linda, 20 months old, was asleep in her crib. Then she went downstairs.

Murder-Suicide Scene July 23, 1948 Friday Bodies of Alvin Roberts 48 and his wife, Maxine 31, lie in friend's Hollywood apartment after Roberts pumped three bullets into wife's body, then shot himself through head. Dual tragedy followed family quarrel.


An artist has retouched the back of the woman's body where she was shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps2d0uvpaz.jpg
pinterest

ethereal_reality Aug 17, 2015 11:38 PM

:previous: So tragic.:(




3 couples out on the town....Saturday night, August 24th 1946.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/puSa5d.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/NLND1N.jpg
eBay


Signatures & Sentiments on the back
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/zmuK07.jpg

:previous: I twisted my neck trying to read all this. (from what I can tell, Betty seems to be very popular)



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so-cal-bear Aug 18, 2015 1:14 AM

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so-cal-bear Aug 18, 2015 1:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7131709)
The opening sequence of 'Repo Man', which is episode 14 of the second season of 'CHiPs', takes place around this area. It was first shown in January 1979, so I'm guessing it was filmed in 1978. The scenario is that a busload of misbehaving schoolkids cause their driver to have a heart attack, leaving one of the kids to try and steer the bus. The first recognizable location is Silver Lake Boulevard at Duane Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake1.jpg
MGM TV/Rosner TV

Here's roughly the same view from 2012.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake2.jpg
GSV

The bus carries on past Effie Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake3.jpg
MGM TV/Rosner TV

The 7-Eleven is still there, although the design has changed a little.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake4.jpg
GSV

After telling the kid at the wheel to follow the white line, Jon turns for Sunset Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake5.jpg
MGM TV/Rosner TV

The "Tom's Burgers" sign was still visible until at least October of 2014.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake6.jpg
GSV

Here's Tom's Burgers. It was on the site of Roy Shambeau's Silver Lake Service Station at 2861 Sunset Boulevard, as seen in Tourmaline's post.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake7.jpg
MGM TV/Rosner TV

The signs for Tom's Burgers have gone in the most recent GSV image (below), but can still be seen up until 2014. I believe the "Liquor" sign in the background is the same as the one in the 1978 image above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake8.jpg
GSV

The scene finishes shortly after Jon makes a daring jump onto the bus from the bridge. How lucky that there was a crew working on the bridge from a suitably-placed platform!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ilverLake9.jpg
MGM TV/Rosner TV

I can't see much that changed here since filming.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lverLake10.jpg
GSV

The seal of the City of Los Angeles. I'm surprised you didn't know it.

ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2015 2:16 AM

Here's a fun snapshot.

"Shirley in Hollywood, 1943."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...913/sMKkQZ.jpg
eBay

:previous: Anyone recognize the street?
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I can't quite make out Shirley's last name. Eidsmore? or..Eidsmoe?

CityBoyDoug Aug 18, 2015 2:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7132675)
Here's a fun snapshot.

"Shirley in Hollywood, 1943."


:previous: Anyone recognize the street?
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I can't quite make out Shirley's last name. Eidsmore? or..Eidsmoe?

3,229 Historical Documents with Eidsmoe on Ancestry dot com
890 Birth, Marriage, and Deaths 117 Military Records 29 Immigration Records 503 Census and Voter Lists 1,690 Member Trees

Hollywood Graham Aug 18, 2015 2:42 AM

Service Station
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7131667)
March 1932, Sunset Boulevard and Silver Lake Boulevard grade separation is complete.


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http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3919/rec/164





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Toward the top of that grade is Roy Shambeau's Silver Lake Service Station, featuring Navy Gas. 2861 Sunset Blvd.


1932
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Navy Oil Co.
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Not bilge!


Oil that is electrified and thermo-metered.
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After the Navy weighs anchor . . .

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Distinctive sidewall. Preferred by Paul Whiteman?
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http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/850...5524939020.jpg

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10205

That station would eventually become a Signal Gas Station operated by a man name Petzol I believe.

ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2015 2:18 PM

I don't believe we've seen this particular auto camp on NLA.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...901/QV6SMH.jpg
eBay

:previous: "On the Hill between Culver City and Venice." -I wasn't aware of any observable hill.

reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/WyrCev.jpg





It was replaced by a hideous 'luxury' apartment complex. The design placed 2 large parking garages in front of the apartments. (facing Sepulveda).

-from an aerial u can see the top of the parking garages are tennis courts.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...540/ivjA1a.jpg
google_earth


-here's what you see along Sepulveda.

One, of the two, parking garages facing Sepulveda.:(
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/huMvlU.jpg
gsv
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oldstuff Aug 18, 2015 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7132206)
Wow e_r, you've come up with some stunners recently, but this one is beyond outstanding. It's really, really good and, combined with the proposed size, would have been amazing.

Noirishers probably know Merrell Gage as the artist who did the sculptures on the Edison/One Bunker Hill building and the figures over at LAT. He also did the Electric Fountain and the film stars monument, both in Beverly Hills. Gage was most famous for his Lincoln sculptures. He assisted on the facade sculptures at the Fine Arts Building on W 7th St as well.

Gage was head of the Sculpture Dept at USC.

He was married to painter Marian Gage. That's probably her in the photo with their daughter Jean.

I wish I knew where that maquette is.

More info on Gage:

Wiki
Archives of American Art/Gage papers
California Art Club article

Video of Gage sculpting Lincoln:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...13211%2BAM.jpg


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Thx quickstop, you beat me to it :-). The antenna is held in great affection around these parts.

Re: the video of Gage sculpting Lincoln

I remember seeing that film when I was about eight years old. They showed it in school. As a budding artist, I was very impressed and intent on the details of the process. Have not seen it since...till now. Thanks for posting it

oldstuff Aug 18, 2015 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7132681)
3,229 Historical Documents with Eidsmoe on Ancestry dot com
890 Birth, Marriage, and Deaths 117 Military Records 29 Immigration Records 503 Census and Voter Lists 1,690 Member Trees

Shirley Adele Eidsmoe was born in Minnesota in April of 1921. She was still living there with her family in 1940. The 1940 Census shows her as a "maid" and an "unpaid family worker". She had graduated from high school and was 19 in 1940. She married a James A. Dowis in Detroit in 1944. He had served in the Army Air Corps, during WWII. She died in Michigan in 1999.

Maybe the photo was taken when she was on a trip to California, since she seems to have lived in either Minnesota or Michigan for most of her life.

oldstuff Aug 18, 2015 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7133003)
I don't believe we've seen this particular auto camp on NLA.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...901/QV6SMH.jpg
eBay

:previous: "On the Hill between Culver City and Venice." -I wasn't aware of any observable hill.

reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/WyrCev.jpg





It was replaced by a hideous 'luxury' apartment complex. The design placed 2 massive parking garages in front of the apartments. (facing Sepulveda).

-from an aerial u can see the top of the parking garages are tennis courts.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...540/ivjA1a.jpg
google_earth


-here's what you see along Sepulveda.

One, of the two, parking garages facing Sepulveda.:(
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/huMvlU.jpg
gsv
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If you look at the street view there is a "slight slope" away from the area, not what you would call a "hill" but maybe if you were writing a brochure...
It might get a bit of ocean breeze, or at least before there were so many buildings around

ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2015 3:32 PM

:previous: I see what you're saying....you're probably right oldstuff.:)
perhaps back in the day the 'hill' seemed more pronounced.





Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 7133101)
Shirley Adele Eidsmoe was born in Minnesota in April of 1921. She was still living there with her family in 1940. The 1940 Census shows her as a "maid" and an "unpaid family worker". She had graduated from high school and was 19 in 1940. She married a James A. Dowis in Detroit in 1944. He had served in the Army Air Corps, during WWII. She died in Michigan in 1999.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...913/sMKkQZ.jpg
eBay

:previous:Maybe the photo was taken when she was on a trip to California, since she seems to have lived in either Minnesota or Michigan for most of her life.

Thanks for your help oldstuff andCityBoyDoug.

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ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2015 3:55 PM

Advertising postcard -with novelty photo.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...901/TytZKb.jpg
eBay



rotated for your viewing pleasure.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/zZRePn.jpg

"copyrighted .05" -does that mean 1905?

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ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2015 4:08 PM

We've seen numerous group photographs of the MGM stars; usually they're posed on chairs and risers with a curtained background.


This one is unique.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/JtzHyb.jpg
old file of mine / with numerous eBay finds

Does anyone recognize the movie-set they're utilizing? (note the 'valley' in the distance with the streetlights flickering on) -it must be dusk.;)

Can anyone figure out the year by the costumes they're wearing?

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ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2015 5:06 PM

Here's a great Kodachrome slide showing the Deauville Beach Club in the 1940s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/Qgeybj.jpg
eBay

:previous: I love the ornate bay windows. (looks like someone is advertising 'Fish Dinners' in the distance)




Sadly, the stately Deauville, located in Santa Monica along PCH, burnt now in 1964.

See it in flames here, courtesy of FredH: :(
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=20139

I'm outta' town 'til Thursday. Have fun everyone!

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jg6544 Aug 18, 2015 5:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7132467)
:previous: Ah-Ha, a connection!! Maybe Ms. Tucker was performing the night of the birthday photograph! (previous page)

Good sleuthing Martin_Pal.
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I saw her perform at the old Riviera Hotel in Las Vegas in 1960. Before starting her act, she took a look around the room and announced, "I see a lot of kids in the audience; if you grownups want a little rougher version of the act, come back for the late show."

She did sing "Some of these Days".

tovangar2 Aug 18, 2015 5:28 PM

Alvin and Maxine Roberts murder-suicide, Hollywood, 1948
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7132488)

Murder-Suicide Scene July 23, 1948 Friday Bodies of Alvin Roberts 48 and his wife, Maxine 31, lie in friend's Hollywood apartment after Roberts pumped three bullets into wife's body, then shot himself through head. Dual tragedy followed family quarrel.


An artist has retouched the back of the woman's body where she was shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps2d0uvpaz.jpg
pinterest

Thx CBD. Another "good" one.

That's a very pretty 1930, 8-unit building. If I had to guess, I'd say the upstairs unit on the right was the scene of the crime (going by the French doors and the railing).

5837 Gregory Ave, Hollywood:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i...94926%2BAM.jpg
gsv

The courtyard:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G...00354%2BAM.jpg
MLS

I bet the people who live there now have no idea of the mayhem that went on.

John Maddox Roberts Aug 18, 2015 6:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7133157)
We've seen numerous group photographs of the MGM stars; usually they're posed on chairs and risers with a curtained background.


This one is unique.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/JtzHyb.jpg
old file of mine / with numerous eBay finds

Does anyone recognize the movie-set they're utilizing? (note the valley in the distance with the streetlights flickering on) -it must be dusk.

Can anyone figure out the year by the costumes they're wearing?

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The glowering, bearded man in ancient-style armor is Howard Keel, costumed for "Jupiter's Darling," (1955).

CityBoyDoug Aug 18, 2015 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7133157)
We've seen numerous group photographs of the MGM stars; usually they're posed on chairs and risers with a curtained background.


This one is unique.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/JtzHyb.jpg
old file of mine / with numerous eBay finds

Does anyone recognize the movie-set they're utilizing? (note the valley in the distance with the streetlights flickering on) -it must be dusk.

Can anyone figure out the year by the costumes they're wearing?

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The year is 1953-4

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psphn11nip.jpg
MGM studio

I don't think they took a class photo every year. Is there a photo for a later year? I couldn't find one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Forrest_(actor)

oldstuff Aug 18, 2015 7:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7133157)
We've seen numerous group photographs of the MGM stars; usually they're posed on chairs and risers with a curtained background.


This one is unique.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/JtzHyb.jpg
old file of mine / with numerous eBay finds

Does anyone recognize the movie-set they're utilizing? (note the valley in the distance with the streetlights flickering on) -it must be dusk.

Can anyone figure out the year by the costumes they're wearing?

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The picture was taken on a sound stage with a really good backdrop. The birch tree to the left of the people would not grow on any hill around here.. and it is on a stand.

The man to the right of the gap in the center (below the tree) is Van Johnson. Also to the middle, in a bluish grey suit, between the two women, may be Walter Pidgeon. Robert Taylor is sitting in the middle front, next to the woman in the flowing dress. All familiar faces but I can't put names to most

John Maddox Roberts Aug 18, 2015 7:25 PM

On the bench front right is George Sanders and I think that's Joan Fontaine seated next to him. Seated in the center is Liz Taylor with Robert Taylor next to her. The four of them were in "Ivanhoe" (1952). Seated second from left is Russ Tamblyn. Standing behind the left end of the bench is Donna Reed who was in "From Here to Eternity" (1953). Next to Van Johnson is Stewart Granger and I think that's Ava Gardner behind them. I believe that's John Garfield behind George Sanders. Not sure about the rest. As I noted earlier, the bearded man in armor is Howard Keel, costumed for "Jupiter's Darling" (1955).

GaylordWilshire Aug 18, 2015 7:44 PM

A new story on the Marion Parker kidnapping and murder:

http://www.kcet.org/socal/departures...ign=departures

http://www.kcet.org/socal/departures...ionparker4.jpg

(I'd also forgotten all about Ayn Rand's typical idiotic reverence for her murderer: see post 1836.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 4976884)
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_zXN_GwdMYMo/TI...20017%20PM.jpgGoogle

On many trips to Los Angeles over the years, I've gone on architectural expeditions armed with various guides, always more interested in residential development than any other aspect of the built environment. I've always tried to conjure what the streetscape must have been like long ago, and there are literally dozens of guides and histories that do a good job of describing what seems to be an idyllic way of life (if politically a nightmare by modern, or at least my, standards). But even actually driving around old L.A. neighborhoods hour upon hour fails to give the feeling I sought--too many changes, modern cars, architectural gaps etc---and, of course, what I seek isn't really obtainable. Now that I've done some of the same "drives" using Google Maps, and employing Street View (which enables me find a shot of a street that excludes as much as possible cars, blue garbage bins etc), suddenly I've found that sense of L.A. past I've been seeking all along. I am going to post a link to a slideshow of such shots later--they're really much more effective when viewed in a series, full-screen--but want to start with this one above of 1631 S. Wilton Place (south of Venice Blvd.). Most of the pics I've put together have ordinary or at least unknown stories, but this house is where Marion Parker was living with her family at the time of her death in December 1927. The house, as sopas pointed out a year or so ago, seems eerily unchanged. The pic above is meant to evoke what it might have been like to walk by the house in 1927. (I hope all the shots you see after this will have the effect of looking as though they were taken many decades ago rather than literally just the other day.) Here is the same shot of the Parker house, but wider, to give the house some context:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle

An excellent summary of the sad case of Marion, including a link to a shot of the house in 1927: http://www.cemeteryguide.com/gotw-parker.html

And another site with the story: http://markgribben.com/?p=288


Martin Pal Aug 18, 2015 8:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7132675)
Here's a fun snapshot.
"Shirley in Hollywood, 1943."

:previous:
Agree, E_R, great photo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7132535)
3 couples out on the town....Saturday night, August 24th 1946.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/NLND1N.jpg
eBay


Signatures & Sentiments on the back
:previous: I twisted my neck trying to read all this. (from what I can tell, Betty seems to be very popular)

I don't know why, but I thought I'd write these down. There's a list of names
on the back, so I'm assuming they're in order, left to right, of the people in the photo.

Don, Sonny, Dorothy Cohen, Al Cohen, Mort Cohen and "Me."
I'm assuming "me" is "Betty" as the notes on the back are all written to her.

So, left to right as in the picture:

Betty,
Swell meeting you.
What hi-school produces such pretty girls.
Hope we can get together again.
Don

It's been swell meeting you Betty - maybe
we can double again sometimes.
-Sonny-

To a very swell girl who
I hope we'll see more of --.
Dot
(Dorothy Cohen)

To a very charming girl
dating a swell guy -- my brother.
The best Betty,
(can't make out the closure)
(Al Cohen)

Dear Betty,
I had a swell time at Slapsy's with you
and I hope we'll have many more. (You
can take that 2 ways). Here's to your
happiness in the future & love & kisses
always,
Your date,
Morty
Saturday, Aug. 24, 1946
(Mort Cohen)
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And what is Betty's right hand doing?

Tourmaline Aug 18, 2015 8:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4843084)
This particularly repulsive aerial from 1970 captures the CRA's scorched earth policy in all it's horror

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/...20b182de_o.jpg
LAPL


Parched earth, another view. (NLA repost :shrug:)

Circa '70
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Construction of ARCO Towers replacing the Richfield Beacon
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Before . . .


Curious 1888 topographical survey in and around county courthouse between Flower and Grand. Area could use a bridge or two?

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Flyingwedge Aug 18, 2015 8:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7133157)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/JtzHyb.jpg
old file of mine / with numerous eBay finds

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Thanks to JMR for identifying the film! John Garfield died in 1952, so that can't be him behind George Sanders, but isn't that Esther Williams
standing next to Sanders? Of course we also have Lionel Barrymore, who died in November 1954, so this has to be one of his last photos.

Just behind and to the left of Barrymore I think is George Raft. The woman between Raft and Walter Pidgeon might be Claire Trevor. The guy behind
and to the left of costumed Howard Keel is Paul Douglas.

Also in the back row, the guy wearing a suit and vest behind Stewart Granger looks like future California Senator George Murphy. And standing to
Murphy's left . . . is that Louis Calhern?

John Maddox Roberts Aug 18, 2015 8:48 PM

FW,
Good catch with Esther Williams! She's also in costume for "Jupiter's Darling." I was studying the b&w pic, where she's all but cropped out. I believe you're right about the others as well. But if that isn't Garfield, who is he? The only match I can come up with is Steve Cochran, but I don't really think it's him. Can anyone else identify him? Whoever he is, he looks noirish as all get-out.

Beaudry Aug 18, 2015 8:58 PM

Here's something I don't think we've seen before, or at least I know I haven't, because I sure as shootin' would have remembered it.

1950, and Julius Shulman has photographed the (just built? recently remodeled?) Stiles Clements-designed penthouse atop the Richfield:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5810/...15b23824_o.png

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5742/...f1f85be8_b.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5663/...94bb22da_b.jpg

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The link to all eleven images is here. Much in the way I hadn't realized until quite recently that all the Nadel photos were available online via the Getty, in wonderfully high resolution, now I've stumbled upon the 6000+ of Shulman's. I find the Clements pictures particularly compelling; in 2003, the "Report on the Eligibility of 5570 Wilshire Blvd. for Landmark Status" submitted to the City, which famously insisted Clements' postwar work was lacking in value and being devoid of a style, and which thereby allowed Mullen & Bluett to be demolished, is pretty well disproven with the wonderful images Shulman shot of Clements' oeuvre. (Some time in the near future I need to do a big fat post on the Late Moderne in general and Clements' role within it specifically.)

John Maddox Roberts Aug 18, 2015 9:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7133718)
Thanks to JMR for identifying the film! John Garfield died in 1952, so that can't be him behind George Sanders, but isn't that Esther Williams
standing next to Sanders? Of course we also have Lionel Barrymore, who died in November 1954, so this has to be one of his last photos.

Just behind and to the left of Barrymore I think is George Raft. The woman between Raft and Walter Pidgeon might be Claire Trevor. The guy behind
and to the left of costumed Howard Keel is Paul Douglas.

Also in the back row, the guy wearing a suit and vest behind Stewart Granger looks like future California Senator George Murphy. And standing to
Murphy's left . . . is that Louis Calhern?

I think that's Debbie Reynolds to Calhern's left, and it looks like Ralph Meeker just above Keel's shoulder, but that ballerina is driving me nuts. MGM didn't make all that many musicals in those years. Of course, she could be costumed for an interlude or a dream sequence or something, not necessarily for a musical. This sort of thing brings out the obsessive in me.

Earl Boebert Aug 18, 2015 9:28 PM

OK, to make the guessing game a bit more efficient, I've numbered the folks:

http://www.bitsmasherpress.com/LANoir/Hollywood.jpeg

Besides the others mentioned, I think 16 is one of the Gabors, 18 is Anne Francis, 19 is Walter Pidgeon, 20 is Farley Granger, 25 is Robert Taylor, and 40 is George Sanders.

Cheers,

Earl

tovangar2 Aug 18, 2015 9:58 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7133802)
OK, to make the guessing game a bit more efficient, I've numbered the folks

Cheers,

Earl

8. Vic Damone (there's Kismet people in there)
32. Ann Miller (?)

(As usual, I'm terrible at this)

I cannot believe this shot isn't on the web decoded to a fare-thee-well

OMG, Liz looks great

John Maddox Roberts Aug 18, 2015 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7133839)
:previous:



8. Vic Damone (there's Kismet people in there)
32. Ann Miller (?)

(As usual, I'm terrible at this)

I cannot believe this shot isn't on the web decoded to a fare-thee-well

OMG, Liz looks great

Thanks for the numbering job, Earle. Tovanger, you beat me to Ann Miller, I was just about to suggest that. I think 21 is Deborah Kerr. And I now think 14 is Leslie Caron, costumed for "The Glass Slipper" (1955). Could 15 be a very young Leslie Nielson? Nielson, Ann Francis and Walter Pidgeon were all in "Forbidden Planet" (1956).

Those Who Squirm! Aug 19, 2015 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7131738)
:previous: I like that bridge a lot. What's depicted in the medallions over the pedestrian arches?

__

Looks to me like the seal of the city, or possibly county which is similar.

tovangar2 Aug 19, 2015 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7133802)

Only 29 guesses re 41 peeps? I think I recorded them all (misspellings are my own). Please somebody finish/correct this
(MGM releases by date):

01. Steve Forrest
02.Pier Angeli / Natalie Wood
03. Debbie Reynolds
04. Louis Calhern
05.George Murphy
06. Ava Gardner
07. Van Johnson
08. Vic Damone
09.Paul Douglas
10. Howard Keel
11. John Ericson
12.
13.
14. Leslie Caron
15. Leslie Nielson
16. Eva Gabor
17. Merle Oberon
18. Ann Francis
19. Walter Pidgeon
20. Stewart Granger
21. Claire Trevor/Hedda Hopper (?)
22.
23. Russ Tamblin
24.
25. Robert Taylor
26. Elizabeth Taylor
27. Kurt Kasznar
28. George Raft
29.
30. Deborah Kerr
31.
32. Ann Miller
33. Lionel Barrymore
34. Donna Reed
35.
36.
37. Hugh O'Brian (?)
38.
39. Joan Fontaine
40. George Sanders
41. Esther Williams

John Maddox Roberts Aug 19, 2015 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7134020)
Only 28 guesses re 41 peeps? I think I recorded them all (misspellings are my own). Please somebody finish/correct this:

01.
02.
03. Debbie Reynolds
04. Louis Calhern
05.George Murphy
06. Ava Gardner
07. Van Johnson
08. Vic Damone
09.Paul Douglas
10. Howard Keel
11. Ralph Meeker
12.
13.
14. Leslie Caron
15. Leslie Nielson
16. Gabor
17.
18. Ann Francis
19. Walter Pidgeon
20. Farley Granger
21. Claire Trevor/Hedda Hopper (?)
22.
23. Russ Tamblin
24.
25. Robert Taylor
26. Elizabeth Taylor
27.
28. George Raft
29.
30. Deborah Kerr
31.
32. Ann Miller
33. Lionel Barrymore
34. Donna Reed
35.
36.
37. Hugh O'Brian (?)
38.
39. Joan Fontaine
40. George Sanders
41. Esther Williams

20 is Stewart Granger, not Farley.

NoirNous Aug 19, 2015 1:21 AM

I believe that the gentleman in the patrolman's uniform (No. 1) is Steve Forrest.

CityBoyDoug Aug 19, 2015 1:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoirNous (Post 7134082)
I believe that the gentleman in the patrolman's uniform (No. 1) is Steve Forrest.

Steve Forrest was a contract player for MGM. He was always very youthful looking even when he was well over 80 years of age.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psst3sypdv.jpg
MGM archives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Forrest_(actor)

CityBoyDoug Aug 19, 2015 1:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7133436)
The year is 1953-4

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psphn11nip.jpg
MGM studio

I don't think they took a class photo every year. Is there a photo for a later year? I couldn't find one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Forrest_(actor)

The sad thing about the photo above is that it marks the beginning of the end for the ''studio system". The class photo had gone from a fabulous luncheon to simply standing around on a movie set.
Quite a change. I well remember the talk around our dinner table in those years. It was all about the threat that TV was making upon the movie studios.
In the end it was the many studios that made TV shows themselves.


Things were different in 1943. By 1953 even Lucy [front row left] had gone independant and was a TV star with her own studio [Desilu 1950].
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psjxqmwqpa.jpg

Flyingwedge Aug 19, 2015 2:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7134020)
Only 29 guesses re 41 peeps? I think I recorded them all (misspellings are my own). Please somebody finish/correct this
(MGM releases by date):

01. Steve Forrest
02.
03. Debbie Reynolds
04. Louis Calhern
05.George Murphy
06. Ava Gardner
07. Van Johnson
08. Vic Damone
09.Paul Douglas
10. Howard Keel
11. Ralph Meeker
12.
13.
14. Leslie Caron
15. Leslie Nielson
16. Gabor
17.
18. Ann Francis
19. Walter Pidgeon
20. Stewart Granger
21. Claire Trevor/Hedda Hopper (?)
22.
23. Russ Tamblin
24.
25. Robert Taylor
26. Elizabeth Taylor
27.
28. George Raft
29.
30. Deborah Kerr
31.
32. Ann Miller
33. Lionel Barrymore
34. Donna Reed
35.
36.
37. Hugh O'Brian (?)
38.
39. Joan Fontaine
40. George Sanders
41. Esther Williams

31 = Fernando Llamas?
17 = Merle Oberon?
27 = Kurt Kasznar

It may be that The Last Time I Saw Paris was being filmed when the group photo was taken. That would account for several people in the photo (Van Johnson, Elizabeth Taylor, Kurt Kasznar, Donna Reed, Walter Pidgeon and Eva Gabor).

John Maddox Roberts Aug 19, 2015 4:05 AM

Could #2 be Natalie Wood? She'd only have been about 16-17, but she was in movies from early childhood and was already a knockout.

mrfredmertz Aug 19, 2015 7:04 AM

Number 11 is my dear, dear friend John Ericson, who was an MGM star at the time. John is 86 and still the handsomest dude I know.

John Maddox Roberts Aug 19, 2015 7:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfredmertz (Post 7134440)
Number 11 is my dear, dear friend John Ericson, who was an MGM star at the time. John is 86 and still the handsomest dude I know.

So much for my unerring eye. Glad to hear your friend is still alive. And still working as late as 2008, according to IMDB. That's quite a career.

CityBoyDoug Aug 19, 2015 7:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfredmertz (Post 7134440)
Number 11 is my dear, dear friend John Ericson, who was an MGM star at the time. John is 86 and still the handsomest dude I know.

I agree, I believe Mr.11 is John Erickson.

CityBoyDoug Aug 19, 2015 7:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7134020)
Only 29 guesses re 41 peeps? I think I recorded them all (misspellings are my own). Please somebody finish/correct this
(MGM releases by date):

01. Steve Forrest
02.
03. Debbie Reynolds
04. Louis Calhern
05.George Murphy
06. Ava Gardner
07. Van Johnson
08. Vic Damone
09.Paul Douglas
10. Howard Keel
11. Ralph Meeker
12.
13.
14. Leslie Caron
15. Leslie Nielson
16. Gabor
17.
18. Ann Francis
19. Walter Pidgeon
20. Stewart Granger
21. Claire Trevor/Hedda Hopper (?)
22.
23. Russ Tamblin
24.
25. Robert Taylor
26. Elizabeth Taylor
27.
28. George Raft
29.
30. Deborah Kerr
31.
32. Ann Miller
33. Lionel Barrymore
34. Donna Reed
35.
36.
37. Hugh O'Brian (?)
38.
39. Joan Fontaine
40. George Sanders
41. Esther Williams

Is Miss 2. Pier Angeli....who signed with MGM in 1950.
and Mr. 11 is John Erickson.

tovangar2 Aug 19, 2015 10:29 AM

Mgm
 
Adding your updates:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7133802)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7134020)


Wiki page of MGM releases by date


01. Steve Forrest
02. Pier Angeli
03. Debbie Reynolds
04. Louis Calhern
05. George Murphy
06. Ava Gardner
07. Van Johnson
08. Vic Damone
09. Paul Douglas
10. Howard Keel
11. John Ericson
12.
13.
14. Leslie Caron
15. Leslie Nielson
16. Eva Gabor
17. Merle Oberon
18. Ann Francis
19. Walter Pidgeon
20. Stewart Granger
21. Claire Trevor
22.
23. Russ Tamblyn
24.
25. Robert Taylor
26. Elizabeth Taylor
27. Kurt Kasznar
28. George Raft
29.
30. Grace Kelly
31.
32. Ann Miller
33. Lionel Barrymore
34. Donna Reed
35.
36. Michael Wilding
37. Hugh O'Brian (?)
38. Spring Byington
39. Joan Fontaine
40. George Sanders
41. Esther Williams


John Maddox Roberts Aug 19, 2015 2:13 PM

I think you're right about Pier Angeli. There's a photo on Google Images where she's wearing what appears to be the same dress.

HossC Aug 19, 2015 3:18 PM

:previous:

JMR, is this the picture of Pier Angeli you're talking about?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...i.jpg~original
mykethemakeupguy.blogspot.com

John Maddox Roberts Aug 19, 2015 3:31 PM

That's the one. Opinions?

tovangar2 Aug 19, 2015 4:10 PM

LOL, this is a lot of fun, but so frustrating. #36 is driving me nuts. Pier Angeli & Vic Damone were married at the time of the photo. If that is Eva Gabor, she's the only Gabor George Sanders wasn't married to.

...and three cheers for Van Johnson's megawatt smile. He always seemed so genuine. I was never a big fan except for "State of the Union" (1948). OMG, that man could wear a suit.

John Maddox Roberts Aug 19, 2015 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7134832)
LOL, this is a lot of fun, but so frustrating. #36 is driving me nuts. Pier Angeli & Vic Damone were married at the time of the photo. If that is Eva Gabor, she's the only Gabor George Sanders wasn't married to.

...and three cheers for Van Johnson's megawatt smile. He always seemed so genuine. I was never a big fan except for "State of the Union" (1948). OMG, that man could wear a suit.

I think #36 is Jean Pierre Aumont. He was in "Lili" about that time.

srk1941 Aug 19, 2015 5:00 PM

#30 is Grace Kelly, in costume for "Green Fire."

I'm pretty sure #36 is Michael Wilding....

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7134923)
I think #36 is Jean Pierre Aumont. He was in "Lili" about that time.



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