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ethereal_reality Jun 6, 2011 2:54 PM

Terrific findings on the wooden footbridge gsjansen. It's especially fun finding it in the old illustrations dating waaaay back when.

re: the second illus.
I would have loved to live on Casanova Street. ;)

Kelton Verdugo Jun 7, 2011 4:00 AM

Cornfield footbridge
 
Hello!

I discovered this thread and site about a month ago, and have really enjoyed reading my way to page 200. So many beautiful photos and great insights to the history of Los Angeles. My thanks to all of you generous posters.

I lived in Los Angeles in the 1980's, when I was in my twenties. I would watch old movies and spend some time on weekends trying to find the actual locations. It was a huge disappointment to discover Bunker Hill had basically been scrubbed off the face of the earth. Of course, there were and still are many great sites to see.

I managed to find the wooden pedestrian bridge over the Southern Pacific Cornfield yards one day in 1987. I'm no Dick Whittington, but here are a few photos I took that day, on and from the bridge. I owned only one 50 mm lens for my Nikon then, and I wish I could have taken some shots with a wider lens. (sorry)

There was only one train in motion the afternoon I was at the yard. It struck me that most of the equipment seemed like it was just being stored there, and there was a very long "dead line" of locomotives (not visible in these pics). Kind of sad, but quite a contrast to the view gsjansen posted on page 200!



http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o.../pedBridge.jpg
Personal collection

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cornfield2.jpg
Personal collection

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cornfield1.jpg
Personal collection

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cornfield4.jpg
Personal collection

Floyd B. Bariscale Jun 7, 2011 5:58 AM

Thanks for posting your pictures, Kelton. First-hand photos like these are such a pleasure.

gsjansen Jun 7, 2011 11:07 AM

wow! great images KV! (i've got a thing for acronym's), those personal photographs of the cornfield yards are wonderful. thank you so much for posting them.

Kelton Verdugo Jun 7, 2011 6:31 PM

You are very welcome, Floyd and gsjansen! My pleasure.

I like the acronym!

MikeD Jun 8, 2011 12:39 AM

Those are great pictures, Kelton! Did you happen to get any of the roundhouse where the trains would get turned around? There's an old Our Gang comedy that makes use of it. It was around there somewhere.

If it was still there, I'm not sure I'd chance crossing that footbridge. I was over by the 6th street(?) viaduct taking pictures of the tunnel from "Them" a couple of years ago and there were some scary characters hanging out down by the opening to the tunnel. I wouldn't want to meet them on the footbridge. I'd rather take my chances with giant ants.

sopas ej Jun 8, 2011 12:44 AM

Great pics, Kelton Verdugo!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelton Verdugo (Post 5306338)

I really like this pic, being that you can see the North Broadway bridge/Buena Vista Viaduct pre-restoration. It dates from 1911. I assume some time in the 1950s, the architectural details of this bridge were stripped away. Around the year 2000, the bridge was seismically strengthened and the details that were removed in the 50s were recreated, so now it has the cool-looking columns, balustrades and globular streetlamps. From what I've read, these details were designed to be admired by people on trains going underneath the bridge. Riding the Gold Line today, you can do just that.

Kelton Verdugo Jun 8, 2011 2:37 AM

Thank you for your comments, Mike and sopas.

It's funny you should mention your concern about the safety of the bridge, Mike. When I was walking it, I noticed an entire missing floor plank. Fairly visible in the daylight, but could have been a hazard for anyone crossing at night. I don't recall seeing the roundhouse in the area. I have an old issue of "Classic Trains" magazine that has a nice aerial photo showing both the Cornfield and the Bullring yards, with locations numbered. I will try to dig it out, and find where the roundhouse(s) was located. Looking at gsjansen's posting of the birdseye map illustrations, the roundhouse didn't stay in one place for too long.

This is getting pretty trivial, but I think I can notice some differences in the appearance of the bridge from the 1940s photographs, to when I was there in '87. There appears to be an angular jag, say in the first 200 to 300 feet from Broadway. I recall the bridge being straight, and the most obvious difference to be seen in the "This Gun For Hire" footage, is that the bridge was once entirely open topped. An overhead framework can be seen in the '87 photo. But it only makes sense the bridge would have been rebuilt a few times.

It really startled me to see the old bridge went all the way back to 1891 (or at least an earlier version). Damn, I love this thread!

Thank you sopas for the information about the Broadway/Buena Vista viaduct. I had no idea it was that old! Wow! I must go take a look at the new clean up and ornamentation work on my next L.A. visit. I really appreciate and enjoy your knowledge of Los Angeles history.

Fab Fifties Fan Jun 8, 2011 9:30 PM

New in Town
 
Hello All! Stumbled across this thread a couple of weeks ago and have now been through all pages. What an incredible place to immerse myself in both Los Angeles and Film Noir history. I have lived in San Diego for 30 years now but have always been fascinated in LA history, especially during the war years. My mother lived and worked in LA for over two years during WWII while my dad was in the Marines and either in the South Pacific or stationed here in San Diego at Camp Elliott. Mom always regaled me with wonderful stories of life in LA as seen through the eyes of a 19-21 year girl old from Albuquerque NM. During mom's time in LA, she lived in an all women's boarding house that was in a converted mansion on St Andrews Place, just a block or so off of the intersection of Wllshire and Western. Mom worked at Schwabacher-Frey and Co. which was at 736 S. Broadway (I tried seeing if I could find 736 in any of the pictures on the thread, but couldn't. So if any of you have a picture in your files, I would love to see it!). In the late 80's, I drove mom up to LA and we were unable to locate the boarding house as it looks like it was replaced by a really ugly 60's apartment complex. When we drove downtown to see her old workplace, we were unable to as Broadway was torn up and that block was closed off. Mom took a look at some of the people on the sidewalks and decided that she did not want to get out and walk to see it! As we drove around the downtown streets, she got very upset about all the beautiful buildings she remembered that were no longer there. She eventually said "let's get out of here" and we left. Sorry that my first post is so long but I am a journalist by trade and can be very verbose.:speech:

johnbriner Jun 8, 2011 11:55 PM

Great stuffs! I'm glad to see those photos, Where did you get those cool stuffs? Anyway, thanks for sharing!

rbpjr Jun 9, 2011 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fab Fifties Fan (Post 5308569)
Hello All! Stumbled across this thread a couple of weeks ago and have now been through all pages. What an incredible place to immerse myself in both Los Angeles and Film Noir history. I have lived in San Diego for 30 years now but have always been fascinated in LA history, especially during the war years. My mother lived and worked in LA for over two years during WWII while my dad was in the Marines and either in the South Pacific or stationed here in San Diego at Camp Elliott. Mom always regaled me with wonderful stories of life in LA as seen through the eyes of a 19-21 year girl old from Albuquerque NM. During mom's time in LA, she lived in an all women's boarding house that was in a converted mansion on St Andrews Place, just a block or so off of the intersection of Wllshire and Western. Mom worked at Schwabacher-Frey and Co. which was at 736 S. Broadway (I tried seeing if I could find 736 in any of the pictures on the thread, but couldn't. So if any of you have a picture in your files, I would love to see it!). In the late 80's, I drove mom up to LA and we were unable to locate the boarding house as it looks like it was replaced by a really ugly 60's apartment complex. When we drove downtown to see her old workplace, we were unable to as Broadway was torn up and that block was closed off. Mom took a look at some of the people on the sidewalks and decided that she did not want to get out and walk to see it! As we drove around the downtown streets, she got very upset about all the beautiful buildings she remembered that were no longer there. She eventually said "let's get out of here" and we left. Sorry that my first post is so long but I am a journalist by trade and can be very verbose.:speech:

In 1952 I was in bootcamp at the Naval Training Center in San Diego...the first two weeks or so we were sent out to Camp Elliott for rifle training...at that time it seemed out in the middle of nowhere...hot, dusty and some marine instructors to boot (a little pun)! I have tried locating the Camp Elliott area today by Google Earth without much success. Would love to see pictures of the area today.

Fab Fifties Fan Jun 9, 2011 1:07 AM

Camp Elliott
 
Hi rbpjr,
All that remains of Camp Elliott are two barracks buildings that the County of San Diego now uses. On google maps if you look at the area just south of where the I-15 and State Route 163 split, you are looking at the west end of the old camp. The camp continued northeast at a diagonal for about a mile.

gsjansen Jun 9, 2011 3:46 PM

since we touched on This Gun For Hire in our discussion about the cornfield train yard footbridge, (and it has been quite awhile since the last posting of screen caps from los angeles noir film location shots), here are screen captures from the movie

Alan Ladd and Veronica Lake roll into town on the red eye from San Francisco

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2247/...3cb28fe0_b.jpg

The Richfield Building gets a starring role as the headquarters for the Nitro Company. (and there's our old friend the snow/southland hotel next to it like it should be, even though most of the image has been matted)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3372/...d2c0f032_b.jpg

police converge on alan ladd down from broadway into the cornfield train yard

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/...d2789816_b.jpg

alan ladd scrambles up the hill towards broadway from the cornfield train yards

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/...c37a8864_b.jpg

alan ladd fleeing north on broadway towards the cornfield train yard footbridge

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/...ba068f08_b.jpg

alan ladd runs onto the footbridge from broadway

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/...4c0b936a_b.jpg

alan ladd runs past a woman carrying a baby on the footbridge

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3103/...4202e626_b.jpg

police yell at the woman from broadway to get out of the way so that they can shoot at alan ladd

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2084/...4f2dbff6_b.jpg

alan ladd jumps from the footbridge onto a passing freight train

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3486/...2cefea4c_b.jpg

police shooting at alan ladd from the footbridge

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/...a340dd21_b.jpg

robert preston on the roof of the richfield building

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/...ac925d27_b.jpg

robert preston getting on a window washing rig on the side of the richfield building

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/...b05b2234_b.jpg

robert preston on the window washing rig on the side of the richfield building

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2222/...175b7547_b.jpg

what great movie!

JeffDiego Jun 9, 2011 7:41 PM

Without Warning
 
I've been off and on here for awhile, so this may be old news. A friend recently lent me a fairly new DVD, (beautiful, crisp print) of a 1951/52 film called "Without Warning." LOTS of good L.A. location photography (brand new freeways, the Produce Market etc.,) the highlight being a good deal of footage of Chavez Ravine when it was still a community of run-down little houses and dirt roads overlooking a very smoggy downtown and surrounding area.

rbpjr Jun 9, 2011 9:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fab Fifties Fan (Post 5308845)
Hi rbpjr,
All that remains of Camp Elliott are two barracks buildings that the County of San Diego now uses. On google maps if you look at the area just south of where the I-15 and State Route 163 split, you are looking at the west end of the old camp. The camp continued northeast at a diagonal for about a mile.

Thanks, FFF...I found a good aerial photo on Wikimapia...I was able to find the rifle range area where we did most of our training...looks like the concrete foundations of the barracks and other structures still remain. Thanks for your help.

Kelton Verdugo Jun 10, 2011 4:33 AM

Great to see those "This Gun For Hire" frames, gsjansen! It's fun to toggle between those and the aerial photos in your earlier post. Interesting how the art director added the hills into the background of the Nitro building matte shot. Makes it more photogenic, but in reality I wouldn't think you could see such high hills from downtown.

Jeff, thanks for the suggestion of "Without Warning". Another one to add to the DVD want list of film noirs and crime dramas set in L.A.

LAboomer52 Jun 10, 2011 9:55 AM

Demolition collage
 
I did a "demolition" search on LAPL and many noirish images appeared, a few of which are posted here. I hear music when I look at these, and its not a happy tune.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042869.jpglapl
St.Pauls Cathedral 1925-1980

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026375.jpglapl
LA high demolished 1971

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater3/00015541.jpglapl
Paramount Theater demolished 1961

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics47/00043379.jpglapl
Courthouse 1936

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics17/00018443.jpglapl
courthouse overgrown and ready to come down 1933

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics17/00018248.jpglapl
old city hall 1888-1928

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058889.jpglapl
1962

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077824.jpglapl
1969

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018928.jpglapl
temple block comes down for new LA city hall

Los Angeles Past Jun 10, 2011 2:31 PM

:previous:

This 1929 postcard, featured in my last blog post, appears to also show the Temple Block during its demolition. I can't be certain of that, but there is definitely some sort of partial structure immediately adjacent to the north entrance of City Hall, and just east of the International Trust & Savings Bank...

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...inpc_sky-1.jpg

gsjansen Jun 10, 2011 9:32 PM

:previous:

what an amazing postcard! that is without a doubt the temple block in the process of being demolished.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5061/...37a5feb4_o.jpg

wow!

mdiederi Jun 10, 2011 10:07 PM

There's an original wall sconce from inside the Richfield Tower up for sale at the upcoming Los Angeles Modern Art and Design auction. 13.25"h x 16" x 7.5". Estimate: $1,500 - $2,000.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...LA/lot4974.jpg
http://lamodern.auctionserver.net/vi...id/5/lot/1599/

gsjansen Jun 11, 2011 12:05 AM

:previous:

this is one of the ground floor elevator lobby sconces

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4035/...084f24a5_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/...79e90aaf_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/...19b6b3ab_o.jpg

Source: Library of Congress

hyperionredcar Jun 11, 2011 2:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4998120)
yep, still there, albeit looking a tad disheveled from years of wear and tear though, (enter at your own risk :uhh: )

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/...4073f1ba_b.jpg

I loved driving home to Glendale and coming through the tunnels. Back in the 70's there was a skull artistically spray painted on the cylinder of the stair support.

I believe it could be seen in the opening sequence of "Dual" with Dennis Weaver.

gsjansen Jun 11, 2011 1:28 PM

images of the construction of the edison building, 5th and grand 1929-1930.

the site at the corner of 5th and grand before work commenced

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079535.jpg
Source: LAPL

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067385.jpg
Source: LAPL

clearing the site for the edison

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092769.jpg
Source: LAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092768.jpg
Source: LAPL

Raker beams to keep the sherwood from ending up in the edison foundation

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092762.jpg
Source: LAPL

foundation work begins

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092775.jpg
Source: LAPL

buttressed north and west foundation walls, (it looks like they used almost as much concrete as the boulder dam!)

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092779.jpg
Source: LAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092778.jpg
Source: LAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092781.jpg
Source: LAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092785.jpg
Source: LAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092789.jpg
Source: LAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00092/00092797.jpg
Source: LAPL

Ta-Da!

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018525.jpg
Source: LAPL

gsjansen Jun 11, 2011 1:40 PM

another image showing the outpost sign above hollywood

this 1928 photograph is taken from the 1st national bank building at highland and hollywood looking north west. the outpost sign is visible to the left and above center of the photograph

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071625.jpg
Source: LAPL

of further interest, (particularly to Mr. Bariscale), the franklin garden apartments is visible through the trees beyond the armor arms and to the right of the magic castle

a 1924 aerial clearly showing the franklin garden apartments to the right of the magic castle

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070807.jpg
Source: LAPL

The North One Jun 11, 2011 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5304606)

Look at that pedestrian traffic... :slob:

gsjansen Jun 11, 2011 4:49 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by The North One (Post 5311992)
Look at that pedestrian traffic... :slob:

i'm actually shocked by the lack of vehicular traffic on broadway!

ahhhhh much better

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067950.jpg
Source: LAPL

sopas ej Jun 11, 2011 5:38 PM

:previous:
Hehe a horse and wagon in the mix, too.

Isn't that an amazing photo? Prior to traffic lights and more established driving rules and laws, the way traffic moved in the early days of motoring was the way it had been moving for hundreds of years in busy cities, where an intersection was a free-for-all. If you look at film footage from the 1910s and early 1920s of big American cities and the way people drove, it was really no different than the way traffic moves in third world countries today, like in say, Indonesia.

Great photos, by the way, of the Edison Bldg. construction!

Ninja55 Jun 12, 2011 4:44 AM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5316/...afa80c3e_z.jpghttp://farm6.static.flickr.com/5316/...afa80c3e_z.jpg

Bert Rovere's Paris Inn about 1952 on N. Broadway

Ninja55 Jun 12, 2011 4:46 AM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5185/...ff19c60c_z.jpghttp://farm6.static.flickr.com/5185/...ff19c60c_z.jpg


Two years later, Bert's retired, Paris Inn closed.

Ninja55 Jun 12, 2011 4:47 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/...ac3cbfb3_z.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/...ac3cbfb3_z.jpg

2010 the building remains. Built in 1904, renovated in 1940.

Ninja55 Jun 12, 2011 4:57 AM

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Little Joe's started in 1897 as the Italian-American Grocery Co. They changed their name to Little Joe's in the early '40's. Closed in 1998. But.........

Ninja55 Jun 12, 2011 5:01 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3406/...d8e50c70_z.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3406/...d8e50c70_z.jpg

The parking lot was owned, by, yes you guessed it.....Bert Rovere! He rented the space out for many years to Little Joe's. When Bert's wife Virginia passed in 1963, Little Joe's had first dibs on the lot. My father, Lawrence Rovere (Bert's nephew), and many other family members filed a suit against the last will of Virginia. Unfortunately it was thrown out in court. They valued the lot at $ 200,000 back in 1963!!

gsjansen Jun 12, 2011 12:27 PM

somehow, i thought we had talked about little joe's, 900 n. broadway. located at the north east corner of college and broadway. i can't seem to locate any postings about it though..........................

anyway.............

In 1908 Robert Nuccio opened the Italian American Grocery store at 450 Hewitt Street.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005126.jpg
Source: LAPL


In 1922 he sold the business to his best friend John Gadeschi and Joe Vivalda, they purchased the n. broadway building and relocated the store there in 1927.
prevoulsly the 900 n. broadway building housed the d.w. davis grocery and provisions store

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005127.jpg
Source: LAPL

The upper floors served as a hotel

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005130.jpg
Source: LAPL

In 1933 they opened up the little joe's restaurant at the north side of the building. The expansion of the grocery business into the restaurant business was necessitated in the early 1930s by an increasing number of construction workers frequenting the grocery store for meals and driving away other customers from the grocery business. By expanding to the cafe next door, John and Joe were able to keep their grocery customers and accomodate an increasing number of restaurant/meal customers.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005129.jpg
Source: LAPL

According to well established family stories, the basement room was used to dress or clean wild game caught at Joe Vivalda's ranch near Ft. Tejon, to be served at the restaurant. Kneeling at right: Joe Vivalda.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005128.jpg
Source: LAPL

after the construction of union station, chinatown relocated and centered itself around n. broadway. this photograph looking east on college across broadway was taken in 1941

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics10/00004548.jpg
Source: LAPL

at some point in either the late 40's or early 50's, the building was completely remodeled

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005138.jpg
Source: LAPL

an additional dining catering room was added on the north side of the building

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005140.jpg
Source: LAPL

in the late 60's the building was once again heavily remodeled, removing the upper hotel portion of the building.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005139.jpg
Source: LAPL

in the late 70's i ate at little joe's, and this 1977 family portrait photograph, looking north on broadway across college, is exactly how i remember it.....

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics05/00012155.jpg
Source: LAPL

even though Robert Nuccio had sold the business back in 1922 to John Gadeschi and Joe Vivalda, the Nuccio family was always involved with the restaurant. On the left are John Albert Nuccio, Steve Nuccio, photograph was taken some time on the late 70's early 80's

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics11/00005148.jpg
Source: LAPL

sopas ej Jun 12, 2011 6:03 PM

:previous:
Great set of photos, gsjansen!

Little Joe's has always fascinated me. I regret not ever having eaten there before it closed; I remember the local news even covered its closing.

When I was young, before I learned the history of LA's Chinatown, I always thought it was odd that there'd be an Italian restaurant in Chinatown. And when I first learned what the building used to look like, I thought that it was a shame that it was remodeled.

Those Who Squirm! Jun 12, 2011 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5304433)
:previous:

the old footbridge that spanned the cornfield yards between spring and broadway

Thank you for the great pictures and link.

Is my memory of it still being there around 1980 correct?

Ninja55 Jun 12, 2011 11:41 PM

Thanks gsjansen! Amazing history for one small business. I knew one of you old la timers would come up with more info and pics.

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2011 12:18 AM

This snapshot from ebay was simply labeled the 1925 Hollywood Christmas Parade.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1...parade1925.jpg
ebay

I can pick out Santa Claus (far right), but the parade seems to be in downtown Los Angeles (unlike the famous Hollywood Christmas Parade).



__________

below: Details of the above photos.

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/1...parade1925.jpg
ebay



http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1...parade1925.jpg
ebay




below: So what is this building under construction? Is it the Pacific Mutual Building?
In the detail below, I can make out 'new head office' and 'pacific'.




http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1...parade1925.jpg
ebay




http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/1...parade1925.jpg
ebay






below: This small photo shows a corner of the building that is under construction in the above photos.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5...cannynethi.jpg
uncanny.net




A view of the same area found in the USC Digital Archive.

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2...tinhollywo.jpg
usc

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2011 1:08 AM

Label this one under 'kitsch'.

The Jail Cafe at 4212 Sunset Blvd. in 1927.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/4...12sunsetbl.jpg
lapl






below: Notice the faux guard in the central tower. The 4212 address is on the white globe below the 'tower'.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4...12sunsetbl.jpg
lapl





below: Cells for nonsupport and speeding?? This has to be the worst idea for a restaurant ever!

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3...feinterior.jpg
lapl


What did they serve....bread and water?

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2011 2:03 AM

below: The Lucca Cafe at 501 S. Western Ave.


http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/6...swesternav.jpg
lapl


I wonder if all the signs down the street are referring to the Lucca Cafe.
The signs include 'dancing'......'grotto'.....and 'coffee shop'.

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2011 2:28 AM

A mysterious Los Angeles snapshot from ebay.


http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4...s1920ssnap.jpg
ebay


Notice the unusual street light with the twin globes. Can anyone place this photograph in it's proper location?

gsjansen Jun 13, 2011 3:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5313133)
Label this one under 'kitsch'.

The Jail Cafe at 4212 Sunset Blvd. in 1927.


below: Cells for nonsupport and speeding?? This has to be the worst idea for a restaurant ever!

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3...feinterior.jpg
lapl


What did they serve....bread and water?

everybody in the whole cell block was chowing down to the jailhouse schlock! :lmao:

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2011 10:14 PM

ba-da ba-da Ching!

http://youtu.be/7yl3UMO-TkE

sopas ej Jun 13, 2011 11:54 PM

:previous:
What if they tried to do this today? Would the servers be sporting orange jumpsuits and tats?

Kelton Verdugo Jun 14, 2011 1:25 AM

That is one sharp looking logo for Southern California Edison! Looks like it was literally the size of a truck.

gsjansen Jun 14, 2011 4:21 PM

i never get tired of looking at the changes over the years of sunset boulevard and broadway, (if anyone here is tired of looking at it, my sincere apologies!)

looking east on sunset boulevard from broadway 1939

http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb1/00017153.jpg
Source: LAPL

The same view 1986

http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb1/00017163.jpg
Source: LAPL

I know we've kinda done this one before, but still..........yoiks!

Looking south on broadway across sunset boulevard 1929

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013680.jpg
Source: LAPL

the same view 1951

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013681.jpg
Source: LAPL

The same view 1971

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013677.jpg
Source: LAPL

looking north on broadway across sunset boulevard 1895

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013678.jpg
Source: LAPL

The same view 1930

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013679.jpg
Source: LAPL

Kind sorta the same view 1870

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../CHS-7186?v=hr
Source: USC Digital Archive

1947 aerial of the intersection

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044286.jpg
Source: LAPL

kinda current similar view courtesy of bingmaps, (microsoft really needs to update these a tad more often)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/...09337585_o.jpg

gsjansen Jun 15, 2011 3:42 PM

a 1924 aerial looking north east centered on the old courthouse that i don't recall seeing before

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3414/...18011cce_o.jpg
Source: LAPL

even though this 1952 image looking south east is from a different angle, it serves as a nice comparison of how the street were altered and the density of buildings thinned out around the civic center. market street has wiped clean, (along with the paris inn building), in advance of building parker center

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5318/...60e7ff61_o.jpg
Source: LAPL

Muji Jun 16, 2011 2:52 AM

Civic Center before and after shots are always so utterly painful to look at. No doubt one of the most horrible urban redevelopment schemes ever carried out in this country.

Engineeral Jun 16, 2011 3:57 PM

Brew 102 - Railway Service
 
My membership in this forum has just been approved, but I have been enjoying this thread for quite a while.

Something I have wanted to ask about was in the picture showing the Brew 102 building I have included below. It looks to me as if this business had rail service - not an unusual thing for a big brewery. The reason I wonder about that is the object in the red circle - is that a locomotive on the street? Note the high-visibility "tiger stripes".

Street running of railways has always been interesting to me but it is increasingly rare. Did Los Angeles have much street running of freight or passenger railways (not including the street cars and Pacific Electric services)? Did PE have freight operations?

https://i.imgur.com/wX89YSs.jpg


Alan

gsjansen Jun 16, 2011 6:45 PM

:previous:

Welcome to the thread E_AL, (my bizarro world acronym for engineeral).

train service other than the obvious P&E and LARy, did indeed run on surface roads competing with vehicular traffic in los angeles.

one of the most amazing instances of this was the train service utilizing the Southern Pacific's Central Station at 5th Street and Central Avenue.

The rail service utilizing this depot actually ran on Alameda with heavy automobile and truck traffic

this view is looking north between central and alameda from 6th street. the tracks on alameda running in and out of the depot are clearly visible

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044308.jpg
Source: LAPL

Another view looking west across the central station train yard

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics49/00044254.jpg
Source: LAPL

jg6544 Jun 16, 2011 7:22 PM

The train yard is still there (per Googlemaps), but the station has been replaced by what looks like a warehouse.


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