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ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 9:28 PM

I just came across this postcard....where the heck is this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img72/3163/sgatewhereisthis.jpg
ebay

I didn't realize there were any dams in Pasadena.
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BifRayRock Sep 28, 2012 9:34 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img204/1619/l...iedbuildin.jpg
Taking a leaf from another book?

Another interesting Doctors' Office discovered while searching for :previous:. Source indicates "Los Angeles, Calif. : Mott Studios, [1937]" and author "Howard, Elwell G." No address. Can discern 4 digit street number but not much more.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...6Y6VHLJQ9L.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...NSYIG3L3PH.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...PAH8MA2I93.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...S1BN89QIST.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...2V1YLKUN8H.jpg All from C.St.Lib

BifRayRock Sep 28, 2012 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5848441)
I just came across this postcard....where the heck is this?__

From Wiki"
The Devil's Gate at the Arroyo Seco River prior to 1920 damming. Note the "devil's profile" in the rock to the right.:hell:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...l%27s_gate.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arroyo_...eles_County%29

BifRayRock Sep 28, 2012 9:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5848370)
:previous: What a beautiful little airport! I would have loved to have dined at the Sky Room.

So why did they feel the need to cover up all the exquisite architectural details?

Maybe the view was better than the food or service?

Only a guess that the cover-up was in the interest of "modernization" which evidently occurred within 10 short years. (Name change to Lockheed in 1940?)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UJLQRQCL7N.jpg C.St.Lib

BifRayRock Sep 28, 2012 10:10 PM

When in Glendale, see if you can wrangle an invitation to the Grand Central Airport Flying Club! (1310 Airway) (My dues are in arrears, otherwise I would leave everyone a guest pass.):rolleyes:


All 1930
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...53MPG184DK.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...YID7HMG5PA.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...X33F4QB713.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...MXQMEXDDG9.jpg All C.St.Lib

But fear not. If you can afford a cherry phosphate, you can spend your money at other parts of the Glendale Grand Central Airport!: They may not have a "Sky Room" but they get complements on the Sky Light!

All 1930
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...HN2HA8F7SJ.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5LXFHDXV66.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CXIL8FBIBQ.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...S3MMVSGB7Q.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9F6QDD53RD.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...1LKIEHP2KV.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...PJRTLN6UA4.jpgAll fromC.St.Lib



malumot Sep 28, 2012 10:59 PM

Great photo.

Sadly the link brought me to the Wiki page, and this:

"There has been a series of studies conducted to assess and improve the management of the Arroyo Seco Watershed--


Arroyo Seco Watershed Restoration Feasibility Study - 2002
US Army Corps of Engineers Arroyo Seco Watershed Reconnaissance Study - 2002
Pasadena Arroyo Seco Master Plan & EIR - 2003
Angeles National Forest Master Plan - US Forest Service - 2005
Arroyo Seco Watershed Coordination Program (Arroyo Seco Foundation) - 2004
Arroyo Seco Parkway Corridor Management Plan - 2004
USACE Arroyo Seco Watershed Feasibility Study - 2005
Arroyo Seco Watershed Management and Restoration Study (North East Trees) - 2006
Central Arroyo Stream Restoration Program - 2007–2008
Arroyo Seco Watershed Sustainability Program - 2007–2010
Fish Restoration in the Arroyo Seco - 2008
Arroyo Seco Watershed Assessment - 2010

:slob:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5848461)
From Wiki"
The Devil's Gate at the Arroyo Seco River prior to 1920 damming. Note the "devil's profile" in the rock to the right.:hell:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...l%27s_gate.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arroyo_...eles_County%29


ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 11:16 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/4778/p...925postmar.jpg
postmark 1925

I was able to find this.

http://imageshack.us/a/img823/5786/aadevilsgatewp.jpg
http://waterandpower.org/index.html
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BifRayRock Sep 28, 2012 11:21 PM

:previous: Could have something to do with the subject matter? :hell:

Quote:

Above Devil's Gate, the rapids of the Arroyo Seco are so positioned so that the falls make a beating, laughing sound. In Tongva-Gabrieliño traditional narratives, this is attributed to a wager made between the river and the coyote spirit.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arroyo_...eles_County%29

Bearing in mind that Halloween is approaching, there is an "interesting" "illustrated" writeup on the Devil's Gate/Dam and the Colorado Street Bridge here:http://www.goodreads.com/author_blog...ct-and-fiction

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5Xg3gfcQ_x...l%27s_gate.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PCmend8WBd...s_Gate_Dam.jpg

One of seven portals to hell?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R89O2Hc9_L...vilsgate01.jpg


ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 11:34 PM

I was just ready to post this...and you beat me to it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/3035/sgatbrrssp.jpg


It looks like they turned the Devil into a pig snouted, pointy eared Troll from Hell.

http://imageshack.us/a/img707/4778/p...925postmar.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img528/5786/aadevilsgatewp.jpg

So what about the mountain that appears behind the 'devil's profile' in the pre-dam photo?
It seems to be missing in the dam photos. Did they level it?
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I also wonder what this is.

http://imageshack.us/a/img38/3654/aadevilsgate1.jpg
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BifRayRock Sep 28, 2012 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5848612)
I was just ready to post this...you beat me to it.


Sorry about that.:ahhh:

I can't resist one more brush with the macabre.
Looked at the '29 map below, and of course it mentions Noah Berry's Trout Club (A-4) but not one mention of the Devil or his gate. Still, my eye is drawn "Kelly Airpt" (K-6) - about an inch east of Mines Field. Maybe it is the artist's poetic license (Herbert E. Florecky) or my poor eyesight, but is it fair to infer that Kelly's air safety record was . . . problematic or possibly less-than-exemplary? (Either that or Gould Lane could be an unlucky place to park!):koko:

1929
http://jpg1.lapl.org/maps/lg//MAP_0030.jpgLAPL

1959 Trout fisherman from Sun Valley with devilish expression and his whopper
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00083/00083918.jpgLapl

ethereal_reality Sep 29, 2012 12:13 AM

:previous: I love that map. The other day while watching a silent film, I spotted one of the obscure tourist spots. I'll have to post.
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..but for right now it's back to the devil.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5848612)

I found these two photos of a 1890s excursion to Devil's Gate. Notice the lone person sitting on the devil's horn.

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/9222/s...sadenapiob.jpg
http://pasadenapio.blogspot.com/



http://imageshack.us/a/img9/5331/sgate.jpg
http://pasadenapio.blogspot.com/

I wish they were larger.
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ethereal_reality Sep 29, 2012 12:18 AM

oops. double post. I'll add something real quick. hold on
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Ok, here's an early snapshot found in an album on ebay. What summit would this be?

http://imageshack.us/a/img84/7432/aa...00eastofla.jpg
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BifRayRock Sep 29, 2012 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5848658)
oops. double post. I'll add something real quick. hold on. (shakes devil out of computer)
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Ok, here's an early snapshot found in an album on ebay. What summit would this be?

http://imageshack.us/a/img84/7432/aa...00eastofla.jpg
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Wild Guess: Grapevine Summit? Tejon pass?? (Might have felt more like a thousand in 1922!)

http://www.crashforensics.com/images/tejonpass1.jpghttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5290/5...47bd5f9a_m.jpgflickr


ethereal_reality Sep 29, 2012 1:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayor Shaw (Post 5847714)
Bruneman was shot down at the Roost Cafe on Oct.25,1937. I understand that the Rampart Division Police Station now stands on the site of the old Roost Cafe.

From Ebay:

Gangland warfare flamed in Los Angeles to bring to a bullet riddled death George Les Bruneman, big time gambler, and a chance bystander who sought to trace the killers. Bruneman was shot down in a small bar by two of five gunmen who escaped in a motor car. Frank Guizard, 24, was shot and fatally wounded when he followed the gunmen from the cafe. Alice Ingram, Bruneman's companion was shot twice in the leg in the wild fusillade which brought to a blazing climax rumors of a private gambling war in this area. Photo shows interior of the bar and Bruneman's body after the fatal shooting.......10-25-1937.Note the ghostly mists around the body....creepy.


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http://imageshack.us/a/img542/9796/lesbruman.png

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All these lovely details from my simple "Put your mitts down!" post. Sometimes I think you are noir personified Mayor Shaw. :)
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Godzilla Sep 29, 2012 1:41 AM

Regarding THE '29 amusement map, I have wondered about a few of the places listed in the sunset strip enlargement (upper right hand area). In particular, I understand La Boheme Cafe was later renamed Billy Wilkerson's Trocadero Nightclub, 8610 Sunset Boulevard I have not seen any mention or depiction of the Moscow Inn. It is not in the '29 directory. And I wonder what was being served in these hotspots, considering the existence of Prohibition.

1938
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-41636?v=hrUSC digital

1945
http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007168.jpglapl

July 1938 Troc'
http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/t...blelombard.jpg

Wig-Wag Sep 29, 2012 3:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5848441)
I just came across this postcard....where the heck is this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img72/3163/sgatewhereisthis.jpg
ebay

I didn't realize there were any dams in Pasadena.
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The dam, road, and what remains of the spillway, can be easily seen by typing Devil's Gate Reservoir, Pasadena, CA into Google maps. With the exception of a lack of water, it is remarkably unchanged from the postcard image.

Cheers,
Jack

Wig-Wag Sep 29, 2012 4:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5848696)
Wild Guess: Grapevine Summit? Tejon pass?? (Might have felt more like a thousand in 1922!)

http://www.crashforensics.com/images/tejonpass1.jpghttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5290/5...47bd5f9a_m.jpgflickr


No rails ever traversed Tejon Pass. The locomotive in the photo, although small, appears to be a Santa Fe engine. I would suggest that it is a Santa Fe Passenger train approaching the summit of Cajon Pass and the road is Highway 138 before it was paved.

Mayor Shaw Sep 29, 2012 9:26 AM

Steamed Cleaned With Gasoline!
 
Something about this seems dangerous. I hope there were pleanty of no smoking signs

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/8956/hallrecords.png

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Los Angeles Times May 14,1938

GaylordWilshire Sep 29, 2012 1:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5848631)


So many great new posts--struggling to keep up. As for this map--interesting to me is that there is reference to Windsor Square but not the newer Hancock Park--nowadays the HP name is generally used for the whole area. I won't start a riot over it, but I'm for preserving Windsor Square as a distinct neighborhood. Also, the long-gone Midwick Country Club we've seen here before is shown prominently to the east... and Jackie Coogan's house is indicated. I thought we'd also seen it on the thread before, but I couldn't find it. Anyway, it was at 673 S Oxford, off Wilshire. Gone now--


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6...2520AM.bmp.jpgZilf
The Coogan house, ca. 1929.

MichaelRyerson Sep 29, 2012 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5848652)
:previous: I love that map. The other day while watching a silent film, I spotted one of the obscure tourist spots. I'll have to post.
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..but for right now it's back to the devil.


I found these two photos of a 1890s excursion to Devil's Gate. Notice the lone person sitting on the devil's horn.

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/9222/s...sadenapiob.jpg
http://pasadenapio.blogspot.com/



http://imageshack.us/a/img9/5331/sgate.jpg
http://pasadenapio.blogspot.com/

I wish they were larger.
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Here's a nice shot from 1908 by Frederick W. Martin...


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/8...fd7651ff_o.jpg
Devil's Gate, Frederick W. Martin, 1908

Martin seemed to specialize in the Pasadena area.

The California History Room, California State Library

rcarlton Sep 29, 2012 3:14 PM

Interesting link regarding Devil's Gate in Weird California which goes into detail about some mysterious disappearances and the man whom Werner von Braun called the true founder of the American space program. Imagine bodies planted in highway land that was paved with asphalt the next day.

Now.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8...1bf8c8a2_b.jpg Google Earth

See Mysterious Universe for more.

The story of the Colorado Street Bridge is creepy and related.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8182/8...8351eace_b.jpg GoogleEarth

Spooky HDR toned version:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/8...577725b7_b.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00099/00099436.jpgLAPL
Photograph caption dated November 13, 1929 reads, "Photo-diagram of the Colorado street bridge shows how a life net may be installed to prevent further tragedies at the "suicide bridge" from which 27 persons have plunged to death. A similar net would be installed on the opposite side of the bridge, both constructed like circus net. The "bridge of tragedies" is 150 feet high at highest point over Arroyo Seco."

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/8...eb344bb7_b.jpgLAPL

With most of steel work set in place, the suicide-proof fencing of the Colorado street bridge is shown as it appears today. The barricade is seven feet high with three strands of barbed wire along the top. Ninety persons jumped to their deaths from the beautiful Pasadena span before steps were taken to safeguard the bridge. Photograph dated August 18, 1937.

Publicity spin...let's call it the love bridge.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8454/8...370ffce8_b.jpgLAPL

A couple overlooks the Colorado Street Bridge, located over the Arroyo Seco in Pasadena. Two other local landmarks are visible in the background,the Pasadena City Hall on the left and the Vista del Arroyo Hotel on the right. Photograph caption reads, "Not many months ago this was 'suicide bridge.' Now the famous Pasadena span is the 'bridge of romance' for couples like Anne McGill and James Ford. This paper won a fight to have it screened." Photograph dated March 11, 1939.

BifRayRock Sep 29, 2012 3:54 PM

Unfamiliar with the Moscow Inn, other than having heard it mentioned. On the somewhat related subject of night spots that apparently traversed Prohibition's "ins and outs" I don't believe I have seen anything here about "Sebastian's Cotton Club" at 6500 Washington Boulevard, in Culver City.


Undated
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9EF1AI9BD9.jpgC.St.Lib

1937
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics47/00058493.jpgLapl
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035810.jpgLapl

1931
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics03/00001356.jpgLapl

(1925/9 (?)) An unexpected homage to the Devil's Gate or an attempt to woo early rocket propulsion fans?:previous:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035633.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035629.jpgLapl

Because the area underwent substantial redevelopment over the years, it is hard (for me) to notice any Cotton Club vestiges. However, in the general neighborhood the 9700 block of Washington Boulevard, there is a very interesting set of storefronts harkening back to the '30s.

http://pics3.city-data.com/businesse.../8/6597058.JPG google

rcarlton Sep 29, 2012 6:04 PM

Found an interesting theater at Whittier and Atlantic.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015322.jpgLAPL
Exterior of the Spanish style Golden Gate Theatre, located at 5176 Whittier Boulevard in East Los Angeles. Guadalajara Jewelers and Vasquez Shoe Repair, along with other shops are also visible in a neighboring building located. Some of the signs are in Spanish. Theater designed by Clifford A. Balch.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015321.jpgLAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015324.jpgLAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00099/00099239.jpgLAPL

Architect Clifford A. Balch designed the 1927 Churrigueresque/Deco style Golden Gate Theater and Vega Building, located at 5176 East Whittier Boulevard, at the corner of Atlantic in East Los Angeles. The entrance replicated the portal of the University of Salamanca in Spain and the original 12 stores, also of Spanish design, were housed on the first floor of the Vega Building. The theater was designed both as a legitimate playhouse, seating 1,500 and a movie house. The courtyard contained two fountains and A.B. Heinsberger created the interiors. This complex was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1982. The Vega Building was demolished in 1992, but the theater was saved and is still standing today.

And now:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/8...b15c89d5_b.jpgGoogle Earth

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8...2904bf02_b.jpgGoogle Earth

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/8...0ec739a0_b.jpgGoogle Earth

rcarlton Sep 29, 2012 6:22 PM

This has been touched on before...(curse the search function, but a few new pictures)

The Hollywood Knickerbocker Hotel:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics45/00072196.jpgLAPL

View of the Hollywood Knickerbocker Apartment Hotel, located at 1714 Ivar Avenue. In 1923 E. M. Frasier built this 11-story hotel in Spanish Colonial style, which catered to Hollywood's film industry and was home to many stars throughout the years. This historic building began life as a luxury apartment building that was at the heart of Hollywood back in the 1920s, before becoming a hotel later in its history; its slogan was "Your home for a year or a day". It's been linked with tragic deaths and because of this, it is considered haunted by some. Some unfortunate occurrences: D.W. Griffith died of a stroke on July 21, 1948 under the crystal chandelier of the lobby; a costume designer named Irene Gibbons jumped to her death from a hotel window; William Frawley, who lived at the hotel for decades, died of a heart attack on the sidewalk in front of the Knickerbocker. Other stars that frequented the hotel with better luck were: Rudolph Valentino, Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio, Frank Sinatra, Lana Turner, Mae West, and Cecil B. DeMille among many, many others. In 1970 a renovation project converted the hotel into housing for senior citizens and it continues in this capacity today.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011976.jpgLAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011977.jpgLAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011975.jpgLAPL




And now:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8035/8...27e34c30_b.jpgGoogleEarth

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8037/8...37d2a2b0_b.jpgGoogleEarth

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8171/8...1d709e81_b.jpgGoogleEarth

Interesting video: YouTube

ethereal_reality Sep 29, 2012 6:55 PM

Not to beat a dead horse..but

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/4778/p...925postmar.jpg
ebay

I took Jack's earlier suggestion and looked up Devil's Gate on google maps.

The reservoir is now drained except for a small amount of water near the dam itself....and the spillway has lost it's 'steps'.

http://imageshack.us/a/img688/2787/sgoogle.jpg




Does anyone know why the dam is obsolete? I'm guessing it was damaged in one of the earthquakes.

http://imageshack.us/a/img24/7205/sgooglenowater.jpg
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I haven't read rcarlton's spooky tales yet. something about buried bodies? sounds enticing :)

Handsome Stranger Sep 29, 2012 8:01 PM

OK, experts, gather round and help me out! One evening this past week I watched a silent film called The Garden of Eden. Included on the DVD was a fascinating 1927 short called Hollywood the Unusual that showcased several examples of the kind of exotic and wacky architecture (residences, apartment buildings, and businesses) to be found in and around Hollywood in the late 1920s. A few were familiar, but most I had never seen before.

I made almost 40 frame grabs but will post just a small handful here. If anyone can offer information on any of these buildings, including locations, I'd greatly appreciate it!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/8...116b0b92_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/8...ca9da8cd_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/8...643d2079_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8037/8...4f686e4b_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8179/8...f6d22c93_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/8...f0dee20a_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8031/8...cd75ccda_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/8...be8b58d3_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

ethereal_reality Sep 29, 2012 8:38 PM

:previous: Absolutely amazing screens grabs Handsome_Stranger!
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'Pasadena Adjacent' toured this little structure atop Devil's Gate Dam.
They posted a short 46 second video at http://pasadenaadjacent.com/2010/01/...vers-black-56/

http://imageshack.us/a/img121/7159/s...retestruct.jpg
http://pasadenaadjacent.com/2010/01/...vers-black-56/


Among the gears & cogs there were marvelous vintages photos on plaques. Here are two of them.

http://imageshack.us/a/img525/4104/spasadenaa1.jpg
http://pasadenaadjacent.com/2010/01/...vers-black-56/





below: This one is especially interesting in that it shows another 'spillway' that I hadn't noticed before.

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/5236/sp...jacentblog.jpg
http://pasadenaadjacent.com/2010/01/...vers-black-56/


below: I checked google earth again, and I think I found it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img819/9931/s...adjfoundit.jpg




below: Here it is circled it in red. There appears to be steps leading down to it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/938/sgoogle1.jpg
google maps
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GaylordWilshire Sep 29, 2012 8:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 5849442)
OK, experts, gather round and help me out! One evening this past week I watched a silent film called The Garden of Eden. Included on the DVD was a fascinating 1927 short called Hollywood the Unusual that showcased several examples of the kind of exotic and wacky architecture (residences, apartment buildings, and businesses) to be found in and around Hollywood in the late 1920s. A few were familiar, but most I had never seen before.

I made almost 40 frame grabs but will post just a small handful here. If anyone can offer information on any of these buildings, including locations, I'd greatly appreciate it!


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/8...ca9da8cd_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/8...643d2079_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]


From my own diggings I recognize two of the apt buildings right away--the Andalusia is still at 1471 N. Havenhurst and the Patio del Moro is still at 8225 Fountain Ave.

Graybeard Sep 29, 2012 8:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 5849442)
OK, experts, gather round and help me out! One evening this past week I watched a silent film called The Garden of Eden. Included on the DVD was a fascinating 1927 short called Hollywood the Unusual that showcased several examples of the kind of exotic and wacky architecture (residences, apartment buildings, and businesses) to be found in and around Hollywood in the late 1920s. A few were familiar, but most I had never seen before.

I made almost 40 frame grabs but will post just a small handful here. If anyone can offer information on any of these buildings, including locations, I'd greatly appreciate it!


[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/8...ca9da8cd_c.jpg
[source: DVD issued by Flicker Alley]


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...os_Angeles.JPG
1471-1475 Havenhurst Dr., Los Angeles, California

Source Wikipedia.

ethereal_reality Sep 29, 2012 9:00 PM

originally posted by Handsome_Stanger
http://imageshack.us/a/img228/384/aa...ndsomestra.jpg


This wonderful apartment building is still standing Fountain Avenue. (I see GaylordWilshire beat me to it)

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/4614/aahselpatio.jpg
google street view

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rcarlton Sep 29, 2012 9:11 PM

Where to go during prohibition? Try Lucey's!
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077954.jpgLAPL

Lucey's Restaurant, owned by Antonio Luciano, who went by the nickname Tony Lucey (hence the name "Lucey's" Restaurant), first opened its doors in the 1920s as a place to wet your whistle during prohibition. It quickly became a big star hangout catering to movie industry clientele such as Robert Preston, John Wayne, and Ronald Coleman, to name a mere few. In 1945, Luciano sold his restaurant to businessman Nathan Sherry, one of Los Angeles' more important restaurateurs in the Golden Era of the 1940s. At the height of his business Sherry operated almost 12 nightclubs and restaurants, but in 1954 - just nine years after purchasing Lucey's, Sherry died of a heart attack at the age of 65. Lucey's Restaurant continued on, becoming Lucey's New Orleans in August of 1959, and then Casa Lucey's Mexican food in April of 1963. This restaurant was eventually demolished and replaced with Walter's Plants Rentals years later.

Corner view of Spanish style Lucey's Restaurant, located at 5444 Melrose Avenue and Winsor Street in Hollywood. It shows a white, 2-story round Spanish style structure on the right, and a cupola can be seen peeking up from atop another portion of the restaurant on the left, behind several large shrubs.

Now:

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GaylordWilshire Sep 29, 2012 9:15 PM

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...2520PM.bmp.jpg

One reason I remembered the Patio del Moro in particular is because of the urn over the door. Can't believe it's still there.

Mayor Shaw Sep 29, 2012 10:04 PM

The Freezer Ice Cream
 
Looks like the Freezer was at 3641 W. Pico. I can't find a listing for the Battery and ignition store shown in the background. Google view shows what looks like a used car dealership on the site now.

http://imageshack.us/a/img809/640/thefreezer.jpg

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Photos: LAPL

ProphetM Sep 29, 2012 10:13 PM

Those look like two different places, actually. The window is not the same distance from the door in each one, and the addresses over the door are also clearly different.

Jeff Clark Sep 29, 2012 10:41 PM

Re Devil's Gate Dam: They haven't drained it, the catch basin just fills with sediment. I think they have dredged it out a few times. There are people who would like to remove the dam and return the Arroyo Seco (dry wash) back to a less seco condition. I think there is another renovation proposal stalled in the regulatory process. I've driven over it many times. It was a favorite shortcut to get from Altadena over to JPL or La Canada HS, which are both on the edge of the park by the reservoir. Since Pasadena pumps water from wells a sandy catch basin is not all bad. It certainly is heavy and adds a lot of load on the dam.

GaylordWilshire Sep 29, 2012 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 5849597)
Those look like two different places, actually. The window is not the same distance from the door in each one, and the addresses over the door are also clearly different.

There were at least five giant Samarkand ice cream "Freezers" in L.A. and others in Pasadena, South Pasadena, and Alhambra, and probably other SoCal towns.

3641 W Pico
7435 Sunset
1124 Vine
3801 W Washington
402 S Western

None of the L.A. outlets have an address ending in "75" in the 1929 CD; not sure where that one was.

Here's one in Alhambra--no specific address:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...2520PM.bmp.jpghuebner-and-lamb


And then there's this little gem--not sure of its location:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...2520PM.bmp.jpg

It moves!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv0oivhUJYs

ethereal_reality Sep 30, 2012 12:00 AM

:previous: I was wondering if the handle moved. What a terrific little snippet of video GW!
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BifRayRock Sep 30, 2012 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LAboomer52 (Post 5260078)
As seen in the 1920's
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...TAVQ6994HF.jpg cal state lib

taken in the late 1970's
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...DTU4RJLTKA.jpg cal state lib

A 1982 Time Magazine article talks about the heyday 1920s in these apartments when all 72 suites had a baby grand piano, and the likes of Laurel and Hardy, Louis B Meyer and John Barrymore lived there.It also tells of the battle between developers and those are trying to turn it into a museum, from the perspective of 1980's resignation over Hollywood's decay.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...950674,00.html

7021 Hollywood Blvd. The "Garden Court Apartments" Literally within a couple of blocks west of Grauman's Chinese Theater!



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1...12/Cz4WOO.jpeggoogle

http://img3.etsystatic.com/000/0/523....126904267.jpghttp://www.etsy.com/listing/41724235...urt-apartments


http://www.thepapergallery.net/-Morgan/25796.jpg Ebay
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011964.jpgLAPL

1924
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics37/00038220.jpgLAPL

ethereal_reality Sep 30, 2012 12:30 AM

File this one under NOIR.

http://imageshack.us/a/img228/6294/a...nedin1930s.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/2117/a...edin1930se.jpg
ebay

I don't even know what some of these weapons are. I recognize the guns, blackjacks and brass knuckles...some of the others, not so much.
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Austinlee Sep 30, 2012 2:14 AM

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Godzilla Sep 30, 2012 2:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Graybeard (Post 5849529)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...os_Angeles.JPG
1471-1475 Havenhurst Dr., Los Angeles, California
Source Wikipedia.

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There are other courtyard apartment complexes that bear a great resemblance to the Andalusia. One that immediately springs to mind is at 629 N. Spaulding, 90036. I am surprised that I can't locate it from previously posted photos. When you look at google maps the similarity is patent. (Currently unable to upload screen grabs.) I remember the courtyard, beyond the gate, to be a breath of fresh air, much the same as the Andalusia. Could the the builders have been working from the same blueprints, or used the same architect, or maybe it was just a popular style.

http://cbk3.google.com/cbk?output=th...=1&w=300&h=118

Look at the street view. Pan left. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&su...ed=0CB4Q8gEwAA

The area is no stranger to similar complexes. I have been particularly fascinated by 615 Ridgely Drive posted here by ER> http://66.45.240.25/showpost.php?p=5...postcount=4782.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3...eleyin1934.jpg


There is a similar edifice just a block away at 611 S. Burnside. http://cbk3.google.com/cbk?output=th...=1&w=300&h=118 Maybe someone can post a better image. http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8...ed=0CCEQ8gEwAA[/URL]
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unihikid Sep 30, 2012 2:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5849197)
Unfamiliar with the Moscow Inn, other than having heard it mentioned. On the somewhat related subject of night spots that apparently traversed Prohibition's "ins and outs" I don't believe I have seen anything here about "Sebastian's Cotton Club" at 6500 Washington Boulevard, in Culver City.


Undated
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9EF1AI9BD9.jpgC.St.Lib

1937
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics47/00058493.jpgLapl
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035810.jpgLapl

1931
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics03/00001356.jpgLapl

(1925/9 (?)) An unexpected homage to the Devil's Gate or an attempt to woo early rocket propulsion fans?:previous:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035633.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035629.jpgLapl

Because the area underwent substantial redevelopment over the years, it is hard (for me) to notice any Cotton Club vestiges. However, in the general neighborhood the 9700 block of Washington Boulevard, there is a very interesting set of storefronts harkening back to the '30s.

http://pics3.city-data.com/businesse.../8/6597058.JPG google

Bif i always wondered about the cotton club,there is nothing in new culver city to show or tell where it was,the same with old culver city(when the area was super run down).i wonder when they tore it down,i know les hite,louis armstrong,count basie,and fats waller all performed there,and i think it was one of the last spots that fats performed at before he died on the super chief train in 1943.anyways great post.

BifRayRock Sep 30, 2012 3:08 AM

:previous:
Just a few blocks from the Burnside and Ridgely addresses is Miracle Mile. Here are a few shots that may have escaped notice on this forum (thus far). Three are from Herman "unicorn" Schultheis. The last one may have been posted here, but I can't locate it. So please suffer through it.:)


Phelps Terkel 1947
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009275.jpglapl

1949 Wilshire, including Phelps Terkel building
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068480.jpglapl

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H. Schultheis

A chill is in the air - Wilshire looking east on Burnside 1937.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098617.jpglapl
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098624.jpg

1937 - Looking west from LaBrea. Quintessential Noir.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009344.jpglapl

BifRayRock Sep 30, 2012 3:10 AM

Wilshire looking west. Source indicates the vantage is from Sycamore but since the E.Clem Wilson is not in sight, I submit La Brea is in the foreground. (likely mid to late '30s) Sopas ej posted this shot and other memorable photos here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=570
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...16-1-ISLA?v=hr USC Digital

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Wilshire Dominguez Building. "Myer Siegel and Company" (likely the early '50s)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...4A75853EE?v=hr USCDigital

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1931 - Wilshire Dominguez Bldg. 5410 Wilshire Blvd. "Myer Siegel and Company"
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...SY7HTGGGM9.jpg

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http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...F2H3GTX41J.jpg

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http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...2GFY4GS686.jpg

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http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CHPXIACJRK.jpg
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Myer Siegel retail space display 1933
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...8H9ALSVQQ7.jpg

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http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...4F4LPRXAIC.jpg Last 13 images from C.St.Lib

ethereal_reality Sep 30, 2012 3:12 AM

http://imageshack.us/a/img838/1831/tigergirl1935.jpg
ebay

http://imageshack.us/a/img803/2897/t...descriptio.jpg

WHOA...A former chorus girl disembowels her husband's mistress!! This is 'noir' to the nth degree.
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Here is Clara in all her 'post-claw hammer' glory.

http://imageshack.us/a/img89/8774/aa...deress1922.jpg
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/09/the_real_black_dahlia/


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BifRayRock Sep 30, 2012 3:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 5849778)
Bif i always wondered about the cotton club,there is nothing in new culver city to show or tell where it was,the same with old culver city(when the area was super run down).i wonder when they tore it down,i know les hite,louis armstrong,count basie,and fats waller all performed there,and i think it was one of the last spots that fats performed at before he died on the super chief train in 1943.anyways great post.



It looks as though the COtton CLub moved to Central Avenue by 1960. Have no idea when the Culver Club ceased or whether the new version was related other than by name. http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...ub&submit=Find


Lionel Hampton 1935 at CC
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics47/00058491.jpg

Chorus Girl undated (writing on the photo says?)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035841.jpg

"The Three Gobs"? Undated
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035838.jpg

Evidently CC proprietor Frank Sebastian had "issues" with the law.

Quote:

Night club hosts at the Cotton Club, Frank Sebastian and Walter Pollock are shown here with their lawyer in a Los Angeles County courthouse. They appeared in court for a hearing growing out of their release on a writ of habeas corpus after they were ordered jailed for refusal to testify in a liquor probe.
1935
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073781.jpg

Here he is posing at the front door of the Club in 1936 (Happier days?)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073818.jpg All from LAPL

BifRayRock Sep 30, 2012 4:09 AM

Two photos of Simons at Wilshire and Fairfax that are best viewed together. :cheers:

Previously posted here: http://mail.hostomega.com/showpost.p...&postcount=561 and here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...170279&page=11 and


1938 (Pre-MayCo.)
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/2...ledeckbusi.jpg

1939
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8...andwilshir.jpg


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Godzilla Sep 30, 2012 4:21 AM

Harrington Hotel - recommended by Duncan Hines!

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5097/5...f78c6f79_b.jpg
http://www.jalopyjournal.com

kznyc2k Sep 30, 2012 7:43 AM

I found the old Cotton Club thanks to the wonderful Historic Aerials. It sat with its back to National Boulevard, right next to the old Helms Bakeries factory.

This dates to 1948, the earliest coverage available:

http://imageshack.us/a/img231/4056/s...20930at235.jpg

A mere four years later and it's gone:

http://imageshack.us/a/img121/4651/s...20930at236.jpg

The obvious conclusion here is that Helms needed to expand and made a nice little offer on the land. Today, the circa 1950 buildings still stand:

http://imageshack.us/a/img100/6874/s...20930at233.jpg

Back to the Cotton Club, I figured searching for Helms Bakeries might turn up more photos of it, but I only came up with this shred from 1947....note the tower at the far left:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046916.jpg
Helms Bakeries at LAPL

Searching for aerial photos turned up this shot from 1926 which shows it already up by then:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035859.jpg
Panorama of Culver City, 1926 at LAPL

http://imageshack.us/a/img705/9113/s...20930at335.jpg

Randomness from December 21, 1937:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035813.jpg
Cafe International/Sebastian's Cotton Club at LAPL

1928....."Frank Sebastian was already experienced in the entertainment business before he came to Culver City. Sebastian's customers enjoyed "Las Vegas type" acts at his "Cotton Club" on Washington Boulevard at National. It offered valet parking, three dance floors, and full orchestras, rivaling the club of the same name in New York."

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073782.jpg
Frank Sebastian, Cotton Club proprietor at LAPL

And at that point I discovered this 1924 aerial of the Cotton Club. HOWEVER, it is labelled as the Green Mill Cafe, which can clearly be discerned on the sign(s) perched over the parking entrances:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035809.jpg
Green Mill Cafe, aerial at LAPL

Another aerial, this one undated although it should be noted the billboards are carrying the same ads as in the above image:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics32/00035811.jpg
Green Mill Cafe, exterior at LAPL

Google then turned up this bit of info about the origins of the building:

Quote:

In November, 1922, Aurelio Garau and his wife, Sarah Garau, were the owners in fee simple of a piece of property consisting of approximately eight acres known as the "Garau Home Place" located near Culver City, which property is bounded on the south side by Washington boulevard, a major boulevard from Los Angeles to Venice, on the west side by National Boulevard, and on the north side by Venice Boulevard. During the month of November, 1922, Garau and his wife entered into an agreement leasing said property to the Green Mill Catering Company and in January, 1923, said company commenced the construction thereon of a large cafe and restaurant building. Thereafter the Green Mill, Inc., was formed, which assumed the rights, duties and privileges of said Green Mill Catering Company and completed said building, at a total cost in excess of $90,000.
That came from a court case that then plunges into the nitty gritty:

Quote:

During this period of construction Morris Rauch secured from Garau and his wife a written option, dated March 26, 1923, for one year, to purchase said property for a consideration of $90,000 cash, or upon terms to be agreed upon by the parties. This option was given for the reason that Rauch stated that it was impossible for the Green Mill, Inc., to finance the construction of the building on leased property without an option to purchase the property during the life of the lease, and it was the understanding of Garau and Rauch that upon the satisfactory completion of the building Rauch should repurchase from Garau the stock in the Green Mill, Inc., which Garau had theretofore purchased. Thereafter, Rauch interested Samuel Hersh in furnishing money for the completion of said building, and Hersh out of funds owned by his wife put into the construction of said building a substantial amount of money and Rauch assigned, by written assignment, to Samuel Hersh, the option upon said real property.
As you can imagine, things got worse before they got better--I'll spare you all the boredom of quoting the whole case, but you can go here to see who ended up with the property.

So...1923 to roughly 1927 on the Green Mill Cafe, then Sebastian's Cotton Club until 1950, give or take a year. Then...adios!

H.L.P Sep 30, 2012 10:53 AM

Hey guys, i found this videos on youtube of highland park then and now pics, thought you guys might find it interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ26q0Lg8Zo


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