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FredH Jan 31, 2014 6:47 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;6421633]Garden of Allah Guest Book, 166 pages, 1942. (not meant to leave the premises)



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/513/uqyt.jpg


ER - I keep looking at this page of the Garden of Allah Guest Book you posted and wondering if the girl in the photo
could be Jean Spangler. She did work at the Florentine Gardens back then.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/39...0/854/2fne.jpg
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...-spangler.html

Kind of creepy if it was.

WS1911 Jan 31, 2014 7:35 PM

Demolished?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 6429415)
Hey, a shot of the door! Geez, I remember talking about that back on page 26; never thought I'd see an image of her other than this one:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5532/1...82dd37dd_c.jpg

Which dates from November 1949, not ca 1930 as USC figured.

The 1870s portal was apparently dumpstered when the 1917 school was demo'd after Sylmar. At least that's all I can figure since no-one at the school will talk to me.



I've always assumed the old entrance was given some place of honor after the 1970s building was put up. I never would have thought it was demolished. I know I've said it before, but people back in the 60s and 70s just had no sense of historic preservation.

I'm a 1967 graduate of LA High and remembered the old entrance being placed near the B Field on the west side of the school.

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Beaudry Jan 31, 2014 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6429760)

Great to hear from sopas_ej and Beaudry.

Thank you GE and ER for the kind words. It has been a long time -- wish I could say it was because I had to do a stretch in County for punching out my parole officer in a bar fight...because that would be suitably noir. (Rather, it was just some boring family stuff.) But it's very good to be back and I look forward to catching up. I just started tossing stuff into the ol' scanner and here is some 70s noir on the desktop:

Looking up Main from the 800-block split.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3780/1...75afa458_b.jpg

How could the noirish crowd not be particularly fond of the Chandler? Note as well the California Theater. Demo'd in '89, now the site of a mysteriously zebra-striped building:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3776/1...3ffed238_o.gif

A shot of folk under the California Theater marquee:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5481/1...304a3e92_b.jpg

And on the sidewalk a couple doors north:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5499/1...765109a3_b.jpg

I became curious by the Hotel Senator, which seemed to be there (next to its pal The Dewey) in name and spirit, but didn't match in massing --

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2843/1...b356d387_c.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2870/1...433cf308_o.giflapl

But I figured it out:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5546/1...c654617f_c.jpgkfa

And a couple pix of old Glendale from the same collection of negatives:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3669/1...39c19ed2_b.jpg

Jeremiah Johnson on the big screen, which pegs these as probably early '73.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5527/1...647cc586_o.gif
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5511/1...d02f2d90_o.gif

Looking down Wilson toward Orange. Nothing on the left remains, it's an open pit. The important, intact and amazing 1939/41 streamline moderne Alexander's Market by Stiles Clements is just across the street from that pit and it too IS BEING TORN DOWN. Because Glendale is stupid.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5540/1...88e0c762_o.gif

GaylordWilshire Jan 31, 2014 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 6431918)
Looking down Wilson toward Orange. Nothing on the left remains, it's an open pit. The important, intact and amazing 1939/41 streamline moderne Alexander's Market by Stiles Clements is just across the street from that pit and it too IS BEING TORN DOWN. Because Glendale is stupid.


http://imageshack.com/a/img811/5371/iybn.jpg

Glendale had better leave this house alone.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3403

Beaudry Feb 1, 2014 1:16 AM

I know a gaggle of folk with some serious Glendale Pride -- it was voted Curbed's "Neighborhood of the Year" after all -- so I trust my impudence in stating "Glendale is stupid" will be taken in view of the righteous pique duly accorded the demolition of a Stiles Clements. Further Glendale preservation issues discussed here.

God bless Glendale -- it's always had a noir shadow side -- but it will have less of one with the twenty-one new (uninspired) developments adding nearly 4,000 units and the traffic that goes with it.

Anyway. Now I feel like I should toss some Glendale into the mix just to keep the peace!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7324/1...8aeda19c_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3749/1...a16dca5b_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3721/1...89abbb39_b.jpg

Below, Sarmiento's GFS. Now THAT was a preservation fight.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7318/1...5238a467_b.jpg

Beaudry Feb 1, 2014 1:21 AM

Couple more random things. I've got a bunch more if people are interested in the area.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3694/1...67c31174_c.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2809/1...8db4eb81_b.jpg

Flyingwedge Feb 1, 2014 1:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6429047)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061783.jpgLAPL

This wide shot of 2607 Wilshire—two blocks west of The Bivouac—shows more of the oil derricks to the north.

Hiram Higgins, who would eventually build at 2619 Wilshire, didn't want a house surrounded by oil wells:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...b.jpg~original
Los Angeles Times, Dec 15, 1899

Higgins had bought the property early in the year:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...7.jpg~original
Los Angeles Times, March 3, 1899

An undated shot of the Bivouac I don't think we've seen here before:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
California State Library -- http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf929012f2/?order=1

Before Otis decamped to the Bivouac, he lived at 1948 S. Grand, which I don't think we've seen here before either (I looked, anyhow):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...5.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/4056/rec/51

Getting back up to Wilshire Blvd., I know we've discussed street lights there and also elsewhere before, but, again, I don't recall seeing this one at the corner of Wilshire and Something, photographed November 7, 1914:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/14771/rec/59

GaylordWilshire Feb 1, 2014 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6432071)

Getting back up to Wilshire Blvd., I know we've discussed street lights there and also elsewhere before, but, again, I don't recall seeing this one at the corner of Wilshire and Something, photographed November 7, 1914:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/14771/rec/59


Wilshire and Windsor: http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=14583


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-S...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-T...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV

Flyingwedge Feb 1, 2014 3:37 AM

9441 Wilshire Blvd., Beverly Hills
 
1930:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...e.jpg~original
California State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...IXA924KTPG.jpg

March 2011:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...6.jpg~original
GSV

That's Sterling Plaza as in Donald T. Sterling, owner of the Los Angeles Clippers (and a lot of buildings around town).

Beaudry Feb 1, 2014 3:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6430023)
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5503/1...d0abfbaa_o.jpg
Conflicting traffic signals
Posted By: Scott Harrison
Posted On: 12:22 a.m. | January 29, 2014
April 5, 1948: The intersection of 5th and Grand has conflicting semaphore traffic signals. One says “stop” and the other says “go.”

But help was on the way. Los Angeles was in transition from these old signals to the three-light devices.

An article in the April 11, 1948, Los Angeles Times reported that out of 1,400 traffic-signal-controlled intersections in the city, 630 still had the semaphore signals. About 150 old signals were replaced in 1947 with the new devices “and its yellow caution light which gleams for a few seconds between the green and red.”

This photo by retired staff photographer Paul Calvert was published on April 11, 1948.

Far be it from me to disagree with the L.A. Times, but I'm not so sure that the traffic signals are conflicting. The "GO" signal appears to be on the sloping road that comes down in front of the Engstrum and Edison Building from Bunker Hill Avenue. The "STOP" signal is on West Fifth Street, which runs by on the other side of the wall. I'm sure that some sort of filter would probably be needed to let cars out from in front of the Edison Building. The picture below is from a good bit earlier, but shows the same wall.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...g.jpg~original
California State Library


I thought the same thing when I saw the pic, and now that I really study it, I'm sure you're absolutely correct. You would have to have one at Go and the other at Stop: you can only make the right turn from "Upper Fifth" (where Hope loops around the Engstrum atop the retaining wall) and because of the jog in the street between you and the continuance of Fifth -- with the Biltmore Garage staring you in the face -- there's no way you could make the turn in the path of all the oncoming traffic. And that's four lanes of one-way traffic coming at you westbound on Fifth (it was made a one-way in Oct '47).

I think what they were trying to say is, look, here's a guy who's pulled his fastback too far into the intersection and he's going to look at the semaphore across the street for his direction? The title of the article should be Don't Pull Too Far Into the Intersection.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5549/1...be25006c_o.png

Aerial view of the area -- note the retaining wall under construction, which dates the picture to the Spring of 1930.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3674/1...ed89d2a2_b.jpgUSCdl

More images of said retaining wall here and here ...I did a little more digging into the retaining wall (so to speak) and discovered that it was designed by none other than the great Carleton Monroe Winslow, who, although Goodhue is generally known as the architect of the Central Library, Winslow had a mighty hand in its completion. As such, Winslow purposely conceived the wall's severe pilasters, arches and clean Egypto-Deco lines to complement the library across the street. I always thought it was a particularly effective and handsome structure; more's the pity it lasted just until the time -- early 1980s -- it could become appreciated.

One bit of it survives, of course -- I suppose most people think it's part of the Edison Bldg and thus was drafted by the hands of Allison & Allison. Ha!

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3683/1...8be53db5_o.gif

CityBoyDoug Feb 1, 2014 6:12 AM

Short but flaming hot life.
 
Here's Rudolph Valentino's Isotta Fraschini town car. The car had black leather upholstery and inlaid walnut interior trim. Sounds kinda noirish to me. He was born in Italy so the car fits as the car was also born in Italy.

Below [right] he's done up for some silent Hollywood film. Maybe a bit excessive but then maybe not.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psa5ba9999.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps2bc0b8a6.jpg
Studio publicity

An earlier post:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1195

Flyingwedge Feb 1, 2014 6:37 AM

Pacific Ocean Parks ruins
 
I also looked for this photo on NLA and didn't find it (between the less-than-robust search function here, and the fact that after almost 1,000 pages most of the "low-hanging fruit" is gone, I'm getting afraid to post photos for fear they're repeats). Anyway, USC dates this 1960-79; my guess would be c. 1974.
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...4.jpg~original
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../25560/rec/149

Here is closed Pacific Ocean Park in 1972; the rusty tower is the same as in the b/w photo:
http://www.californiacoastline.org/c...gs=0&year=1972

More POP photos here: http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...ent_Parks.html

GaylordWilshire Feb 1, 2014 1:15 PM

"Not one of those cheap new things made of chromium and spit, an Isotta-Fraschini. Have you ever heard of Isotta-Fraschini? All handmade. Cost me $28,000...."

A few more shots of Valentino's I-F... jet-black with highly polished aluminum hood. His friend Nita Naldi also seen posing with the car.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L...2520AM.bmp.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l...2520AM.bmp.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P...2520AM.bmp.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u...2520AM.bmp.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-x...2520AM.bmp.jpg


rudolph-valentino.com/

Muji Feb 1, 2014 6:19 PM

It's nice to see the Edison Building here again. I recently stumbled upon a great collection at the Huntington Digital Library documenting the building's construction, taken by G. Haven Bishop. I don't recall having seen these here before. I'll just share a small subset of them, but the rest of the collection is fantastic too.

Before construction. Photo credit: G. Haven Bishop, Huntington Digital Library
http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/u...t/793/rotate/0

No retaining wall yet. Photo credit: G. Haven Bishop, Huntington Digital Library
http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/u...21926/rotate/0

The intersection of 5th and Grand after the project's completion. Photo credit: G. Haven Bishop, Huntington Digital Library
http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/u...51678/rotate/0

Thank you again to Beaudry for the last Gendale post. I had never heard of the Glendane Federal Savings building until now. What a beauty!

I know I don't post in this thread too often nowadays, but I'm happy to see it going strong! :cheers:

Earl Boebert Feb 1, 2014 6:31 PM

Good Old Gardena ...
 
... a nourish town if ever there was one.

http://www.bitsmasherpress.com/LANoir/Colony.jpg

From burleskateer:

http://http://25.media.tumblr.com/e8...r9io1_1280.jpg

Cheers,

Earl

Martin Pal Feb 1, 2014 6:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6432365)
I also looked for this photo on NLA and didn't find it (between the less-than-robust search function here, and the fact that after almost 1,000 pages most of the "low-hanging fruit" is gone, I'm getting afraid to post photos for fear they're repeats).

Who wants to go through the thread and make a directory? :runaway:

(Another forum I visit only allows ONE photograph per post. Can you imagine how many pages this forum would be if that were a rule here?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6432466)
"Not one of those cheap new things made of chromium and spit, an Isotta-Fraschini. Have you ever heard of Isotta-Fraschini? All handmade. Cost me $28,000...."

Thank you, Norma!

Have wanted to ask, would anyone do a google streetview of 10086 Sunset Blvd. and post a photo of that? (Or aerial, too?) For those that do not know, it's the address where Norma Desmond lives on Sunset Blvd. I know there is no actual building at that address, at least now. Near as I can tell from travelling by that area on Sunset before is that there is some kind of roadway looking path there that looks like something might have been there once, but it's in a curved and sloped section that is totally not conducive to slowing down and/or stopping for a look; it'd be rather dangerous in my opinion. But it would be interesting to see, don't you think?

GaylordWilshire Feb 1, 2014 7:35 PM

:previous:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV


As you can seen, GSV places 10086 opposite Carolwood Drive. I think I've read that the actual driveway used in the movie was that of Judy Garland and Vincent Minelli, but I don't know if their address was 10086 Sunset.

The street-level GSV was taken at dusk and is very hard to make out....


Of course, the house used in the film was this one:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P9alfi05UR...inginprog2.jpg

http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...lease-see.html

BifRayRock Feb 2, 2014 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6100386)

From 1871 to 1876 [the Merced theater]you served as the center of theatrical activity in Los Angeles. This photo of you is dated c. 1876, but may be a little earlier:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7a7bd47.jpg
LAPL - http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics17/00008121.jpg








:previous: This appears to be LA's first Gasometers. Per the DWP site, they were built in 1867, some three years before the Pico House and the Merced.



Quote:

View of a steam locomotive in front of the Los Angeles and Independence Rail Road Terminal at Fifth Street and San Pedro Street, 1875. Two lavishly decorated brick towers extend from the main building to either side of its entrance.
1875 (Tovangar2 previous image seems to have disappeared. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14700) Per Tovangar2, notice the Sphinx, lower left.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...pot_-_1875.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...pot_-_1875.png



1877 - Independence RR Terminal - The Independence RR was short lived. On July 4, 1877 it was acquired by the Southern Pacific RR. (Feel those Santa Ana's!)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...X9RXN89MBT.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...X9RXN89MBT.jpg





BifRayRock Feb 2, 2014 3:29 AM














Cherokee Building - Built in '27. Cherokee Ave. and Hollywood Blvd.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...8MDUTM486J.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...8MDUTM486J.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...8L177FQ1BQ.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...8L177FQ1BQ.jpg



http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...MUJK6YBVBX.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...MUJK6YBVBX.jpg



http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...4HJSM3PT79.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...4HJSM3PT79.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LPABNK7NM8.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LPABNK7NM8.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...6DD1L7SN18.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...6DD1L7SN18.jpg



http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5SSESIP839.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5SSESIP839.jpg





http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LAP5G7APQE.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LAP5G7APQE.jpg



http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LAP5G7APQE.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9SV6HBC6K2.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UK3C6J5VRA.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UK3C6J5VRA.jpg



http://blog.allanellenberger.com/wp-...oardners-2.jpg
http://blog.allanellenberger.com/wp-...oardners-2.jpg




http://www.you-are-here.com/hollywood/cherokee.jpg
http://www.you-are-here.com/hollywood/cherokee.jpg






unihikid Feb 2, 2014 3:36 AM

:previous:
I always thought that scene was filmed at the old warners theatre...you learn something everyday


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