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kznyc2k Dec 5, 2012 12:45 AM

Some more Christmas goodies from Vintage Los Angeles

Santa at the Biltmore in a '50 Caddy:

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/2599/l...0sdtbiltmo.jpg

And Hollywood and Cherokee in the late '40s:

http://imageshack.us/a/img823/3097/l...0shollyblv.jpg

GaylordWilshire Dec 5, 2012 1:03 AM

This picture was taken from the roof of California Hospital looking more or less northwest.... Howard Buick was on Figueroa about where the Convention Center is now.
The jog is at the intersection of Venice & Hope. The car dealer--once Dodge, by 1947 apparently Oldsmobile--is now Honda of Downtown Los Angeles at Venice and
Figueroa; across Venice from it is a low-slung Toyota dealer where the pedimented building now stands. The old building does look like it could have been a market at
one time; the car dealer at 1600 S Figueroa (seen in the picture below, selling Flints) is now part of the Toyota dealer; it looks like the dealership was extended back
across S Lebanon St to replace the old building.... Check out the aerial view below...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2...918%2520PM.jpg


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C...2520PM.bmp.jpgUSCDL
Looking north on Figueroa across Venice... the Flint dealer building at right still stands under the Toyota
"improvements." It should be uncovered...


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5925406)
Los Angeles, in that infamous year 1947.

http://imageshack.us/a/img542/2967/aabft1947.jpg
ebay

Can anyone tell me where this photograph was taken? (I just noticed the slight 'jog' in the street)


FredH Dec 5, 2012 1:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 5925272)
That is in fact the old Plaza Firehouse being used as a curio shop back when there was a door at the corner.

http://blogging.la/wp-content/upload...e1-580x454.jpg http://waterandpower.org/museum/Early_Plaza_of_LA.html

Thanks for posting those photos from T-Men. I had meant to do that a long time ago. Your screencaps turned out much better than mine would have.

BTW. Just as O'Keefe leaves the shop you can just for a brief instant see in a mirror or window a reflection of the signs on the Chinese shop across the street just south of Ferguson Alley bordering the Calle de los Negros.

fhammon: Thanks for the information. I kept looking at those buildings across from the Plaza on Google Street View, but could not figure out which one it was. I was looking for a door set on an angle, but could not find one. Your old photo solves the mystery.

And I had that screen grab of the reflection outside the shop, but I didn't include it.

Here it is:

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9355/tmen44.jpg
T-Men, Eagle-Lion Films

Can anyone identify the reflection?

tovangar2 Dec 5, 2012 2:00 AM

infamous 1947
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5925406)
Los Angeles, in that infamous year 1947.
Can anyone tell me where this photograph was taken? (I just noticed the slight 'jog' in the street)

Is that Bullock's Wilshire on the far right in the photo?

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2012 2:02 AM

The anti-Aimee Semple McPherson......Rheba Crawford.

http://imageshack.us/a/img62/954/aaa...bacrawford.jpg
http://www.encore-editions.com/rheba...rd/photo-print




below: Aimee Semple McPherson is sued for slander and $1,080,000 by Rheba Crawford (Splivalo).

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/718/aaangeluslawsuit.jpg
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-ph...ed-for-slander






Of course Sister Aimee milked it for all it's worth.

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/5773/aaangelusflickr.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sisteraimee/73145662/


more information on Rheba.
http://imageshack.us/a/img526/3918/a...aslanderco.jpg
http://books.google.com/books?id=LM8...0rheba&f=false




..for newcomers to the thread. Aimee Semple McPherson's magnificent Angelus Temple.

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/2010/a...ustemplepc.jpg
postcard/ebay


It survives in Echo Park near downtown Los Angeles.

http://imageshack.us/a/img24/3712/aaangelustoday.jpg
http://www.you-are-here.com/building...us_temple.html


To see the Angelus Temple flooded go here
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1198

I believe Rheba Crawford is at right in the first photo with the 1,000 pound cake.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4461

...and also here, courtesy of GW.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1130

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ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2012 2:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5925444)
This picture was taken from the roof of California Hospital looking more or less northwest.... Howard Buick was on Figueroa about where the Convention Center is now.
The jog is at the intersection of Venice & Hope. The car dealer--something "Brothers"--is now Honda of Downtown Los Angeles at Venice and Figueroa; across Venice
from it is a low-slung Toyota dealer where the pedimented building now stands...could it possibly be the old building in a new guise? It does look like that could have
been a market at one time... I'll go check it out.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2...918%2520PM.jpg

Thanks for the information GaylordWilshire....very interesting.


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DouglasUrantia Dec 5, 2012 2:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5925444)
This picture was taken from the roof of California Hospital looking more or less northwest.... Howard Buick was on Figueroa about where the Convention Center is now.
The jog is at the intersection of Venice & Hope. The car dealer--once Dodge, by 1947 apparently Oldsmobile--is now Honda of Downtown Los Angeles at Venice and
Figueroa; across Venice from it is a low-slung Toyota dealer where the pedimented building now stands. The old building does look like it could have been a market at
one time; the car dealer at 1600 S Figueroa (seen in the picture below, selling Flints) is now part of the Toyota dealer; it looks like that building was extended back to
replace the old building...maybe it even contains some of its parts. Check out the aerial view below...

The Toyota dealer appears to be an old building with a new false front. I placed some dotted lines where the original roof is still in place. Mr. Ethereal Reality is going to check this out. Most appreciated..![ I see Ethereal added a new photo...cool.]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...606/sfigst.jpg

The orange arrow is the direction the viewer sees the old building with the new facade. It seems to be the old Flint Motor Cars building from the 1920s.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...as606/sfig.jpg

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2012 2:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DouglasUrantia (Post 5925562)
The Toyota dealer appears to be an old building with a new false front. I placed some dotted lines where the original roof is still in place. Mr. Ethereal Reality is going to check this out. Most appreciated..![ I see Ethereal added a new photo...cool.]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...606/sfigst.jpg

The orange arrow is the direction the viewer sees the old building with the new facade. It seems to be the old Flint Motor Cars building from the 1920s.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...as606/sfig.jpg




The amazing photograph was posted by GaylordWilshire not me.

http://imageshack.us/a/img171/1425/a...flintsspgw.jpg

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2012 2:52 AM

I wonder if this building on South Figueroa was by the same architect as the Flint/Toyota building? It certainly looks like it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img845/1280/e...dotcominfo.jpg
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/
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GaylordWilshire Dec 5, 2012 3:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5925406)
below: I am especially interested in this building (circled in red).

http://imageshack.us/a/img72/4396/aabft1947copy.jpg
detail


It resembles the market in my recent post (see below)...so perhaps it's a market as well (just a guess).


Looks like this was originally the Goldberg-Bosley Hall...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I...bergbosley.jpgLos Angeles Times, Nov 13, 1908


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...2ndarticle.jpg Los Angeles Times, Jan 28, 1922


Sixteenth is now Venice Blvd; there are Times references to it up to the mid-'30s...

tovangar2 Dec 5, 2012 3:09 AM

Kaiser Bros Honda
 
double post. Sorry.

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2012 3:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5925536)
Is that Bullock's Wilshire on the far right in the photo?

You are correct T2. I overlooked it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img401/6507/aabft1947copy2.jpg
ebay
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DouglasUrantia Dec 5, 2012 3:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5925581)
The amazing photograph was posted by GaylordWilshire not me.

Thanks for the correction, Mr. Reality. I'll pay more close attention in the future.! I'm just getting used to this site and your wonderful thread. I'm amazed at the number of views....millions.

tovangar2 Dec 5, 2012 3:10 AM

Kaiser Brothers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5925444)
The jog is at the intersection of Venice & Hope. The car dealer--once Dodge, by 1947 apparently Oldsmobile--is now Honda of Downtown Los Angeles at Venice and Figueroa.

The Honda building at 1540 S. Figueroa is Kaiser Brothers Oldsmobile-Honda (although that's not spelt out on their signage). They seem to have been in that building a very long time, at least since 1947.

Honestly GW, you're amazing.

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2012 3:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5925606)
Looks like this was originally the Goldberg-Bosley Hall...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7...bergbosley.jpgLos Angeles Times, Nov 13, 1908

http://imageshack.us/a/img72/4396/aabft1947copy.jpg


Fantastic find GW!! Thanks so much.

It would be interesting to learn more about that bomb in 1922.

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ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2012 3:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DouglasUrantia (Post 5925622)
Thanks for the correction, Mr. Reality. I'll pay more close attention in the future.! I'm just getting used to this site and your wonderful thread. I'm amazed at the number of views....millions.

No problem. I am glad you're enjoying the thread DouglasUrantia. :)
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tovangar2 Dec 5, 2012 3:39 AM

Loyalty Oaths
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by malumot (Post 5924830)
As to "loyalty oaths".......the original post was from an LA Times story from 1948.......

Easy to summarily deride, sitting as we do in the contented safety of 2012.

But the next time any of us lives through a world war (and I daresay NO ONE here fits that description), we'd all have a better leg to stand on.

They only call it a war if you fight back dear malumot. Even the smallest objection can get one beaten senseless by uniformed thugs and left to pass the rest of one's days in a wheelchair.
I wish I did have a better leg to stand on.

But this isn't the forum for that discussion. We've strayed far off topic. Let's leave it.

GaylordWilshire Dec 5, 2012 1:14 PM

:previous:

Yes, please drop it, tovangar. No one is interested in your politics, or malumot's, or mine, or those of anyone else here. Personal politics are incredibly boring, and one of the best things about this thread is that it is has been free of them.

GaylordWilshire Dec 5, 2012 2:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5925600)
I wonder if this building on South Figueroa was by the same architect as the Flint/Toyota building? It certainly looks like it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img845/1280/e...dotcominfo.jpg
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/
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The Baldwin brothers were very good at promoting their business--there are dozens of articles in the Times about them. None about the building at 12th & Fig, however--it does appear to be by the same architect as the Flint/Toyota bldg. (There was a lot of shifting of franchises and locations on auto row over the years--maybe one car man built both of them.) It seems that Baldwin handled various makes before 1921, when it took on Chevrolet--your pic must be from between then and the construction of its new quarters down the street (now also gone)...

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5...ldwincompl.jpgLos Angeles Times, March 2, 1924


Looks like Baldwin Chevrolet lasted another 40 years, if at yet another address, also now under the convention center...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...64%2520ART.jpgLos Angeles Times, Apr 7, 1964

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2012 3:23 PM

:previous: Interesting article on Baldwin Motors GW. Thanks


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