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afiggatt Aug 18, 2012 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 5802836)
you cant read that sun-sentinal crap unless you subscribe..
miami or palm beach post are better i think

have they released any photos of the train stations
I guess the ones in palm beach and ft lauderdale will be small
but i guess miami will be huge like a shopping mall / hotel

i had no difficulty in accessing the Sun-Sentinel article. May be a case of the site limiting access to so many articles per month from one non-subscribed PC.

The article points out the potential of increased traffic delays at the FEC grade crossings. Going from a modest freight traffic level to 2 passenger trains an hour (one each way) could become a contentious issue since the FEC is not going to pay for grade separation projects. The FEC may pay for improving the grade crossing with new gates, vehicle detection sensors, but the main responsibility for the grade crossing rests with the state DOT or local governments.

As for the station, the FEC will release renderings when they are ready to do so. What will be confusing is that West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, and Miami will each have 2 separate trains stations: a Tri-Rail & Amtrak station and a FEC Miami-Orlando Airport corridor station. The Miami stations will be connected by Miami Metrorail.

The presence of two train stations in Fort Lauderdale, WPB, and in Orlando with Sun-Rail & Amtrak closer to downtown and the FEC at the airport may well push those cities along towards streetcar and light rail transit projects.

eleven=11 Aug 18, 2012 4:39 PM

yeah ft lauderdale is building THE WAVE streetcar
that will put alot of people/seats onto the ALL ABOAD train

palm beach i think will use trolly type bus system

tri rail will not compete with this , it will complement it
after 10 years of improvments tri-rail works very good
plus tri-rail will now go to MIA airport

atlantaguy Aug 18, 2012 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by afiggatt (Post 5802900)
The presence of two train stations in Fort Lauderdale, WPB, and in Orlando with Sun-Rail & Amtrak closer to downtown and the FEC at the airport may well push those cities along towards streetcar and light rail transit projects.

I'm a little confused - I thought the FEC tracks actually went through the Downtowns, and that the Amtrak line is out by I-95. Do I have it backwards?

Jasonhouse Aug 18, 2012 6:17 PM

Orlando is the one where Amtrak and Sunrail go downtown, and FEC will go to airport.

atlantaguy Aug 18, 2012 6:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasonhouse (Post 5803012)
Orlando is the one where Amtrak and Sunrail go downtown, and FEC will go to airport.

Yeah, I know that re: Orlando, Jasonhouse. I'm talking about West Palm, Ft. Lauderdale & Miami.

eleven=11 Aug 18, 2012 6:43 PM

fec - all aboad miami - goes to a new/furture downtown miami station
near the miami heat arena , it does goes thru the eastern part
of florida/ft lauderdale/palm beach

tri rail/amtrak goes down I95 then to the new MIA airport/metro station.

tri rail works very good, before it was single track but is now double track.
the new MIA airport station is going to do big business when done.

afiggatt Aug 18, 2012 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by atlantaguy (Post 5802998)
I'm a little confused - I thought the FEC tracks actually went through the Downtowns, and that the Amtrak line is out by I-95. Do I have it backwards?

I did write a bit of run on sentence. The "in Orlando with Sun-Rail & Amtrak closer to downtown and the FEC at the airport" part was referring solely to the situation in Orlando.

The stations in WPB would likely be not all that far apart as the WPB Tri-Rail station is not far south of where Florida is planning to build a cross-over from the FEC to the CSX/Tri-Rail tracks.

Florida DOT set aside $118 million for a Jacksonville to Miami (Airport / Tri-Rail) corridor service. What happens to the plans for stations at Cocoa, Melbourne, Vero Beach, Fort Pierce, Stuart on the FEC tracks, but would be on the FEC Miami to Orlando corridor? Do the towns go ahead and build the stations, but ask the FEC to have some of their Miami (downtown) to Orlando trains stop at the towns? Going to be interesting to see how it sorts out.

atlantaguy Aug 18, 2012 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 5803036)
fec - all aboad miami - goes to a new/furture downtown miami station
near the miami heat arena , it does goes thru the eastern part
of florida/ft lauderdale/palm beach

tri rail/amtrak goes down I95 then to the new MIA airport/metro station.

tri rail works very good, before it was single track but is now double track.
the new MIA airport station is going to do big business when done.

Thanks, eleven=11. My memory isn't failing me! :cool:

atlantaguy Aug 18, 2012 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by afiggatt (Post 5803041)
I did write a bit of run on sentence. The "in Orlando with Sun-Rail & Amtrak closer to downtown and the FEC at the airport" part was referring solely to the situation in Orlando.

The stations in WPB would likely be not all that far apart as the WPB Tri-Rail station is not far south of where Florida is planning to build a cross-over from the FEC to the CSX/Tri-Rail tracks.

Florida DOT set aside $118 million for a Jacksonville to Miami (Airport / Tri-Rail) corridor service. What happens to the plans for stations at Cocoa, Melbourne, Vero Beach, Fort Pierce, Stuart on the FEC tracks, but would be on the FEC Miami to Orlando corridor? Do the towns go ahead and build the stations, but ask the FEC to have some of their Miami (downtown) to Orlando trains stop at the towns? Going to be interesting to see how it sorts out.

Got it! Thanks.

Lakelander Aug 19, 2012 1:36 AM

The money FDOT set aside is for an Amtrak line on the FEC between Miami and Jacksonville. All Aboard Florida would be a complement to that service. If All Aboard Florida is successful between Miami and Orlando, FEC plans to extend the service to Jacksonville. In that case, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of those cities, such as St. Augustine, Daytona and Cocoa, included as additional All Aboard Florida stops.

N830MH Aug 20, 2012 4:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 5802836)
you cant read that sun-sentinal crap unless you subscribe..
miami or palm beach post are better i think

have they released any photos of the train stations
I guess the ones in palm beach and ft lauderdale will be small
but i guess miami will be huge like a shopping mall / hotel

Actually, it is free of charge. They will allow you to read the newspaper. You don't have to pay for it.

M II A II R II K Aug 20, 2012 6:23 PM

New Miami-Orlando train service could be boon to downtowns


August 18, 2012

By Michael Turnbell

Read More: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...passenger-rail

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For travelers, it will offer a somewhat faster alternative to driving. For commuters, it means more than a dozen additional trains on the tracks, potentially causing delays for drivers at crossings. And for the cities, it may mean a boon to development.

- Broward's Metropolitan Planning Organization, which sets the county's transportation priorities, has already dedicated $8 million for a "mobility hub" adjacent to the station. It will serve as a maintenance facility for the city's proposed streetcar and will occupy two city blocks bounded by Andrews and Northeast First avenues and Northeast First and Fourth streets. Officials point to Dallas' Mockingbird Station, a complex of shops, restaurants and apartments next to the city's light rail line, as example of what they hope to achieve here.

- Trains will be make the Miami-Orlando trip in 3 hours, faster than by car. From West Palm Beach, it would take about 1 hour and 45 minutes. Amtrak now provides twice daily service from Miami but can take longer than five hours to reach Orlando. In July, Southwest Airlines said it was discontinuing its Fort Lauderdale-Orlando route in January, leaving Spirit and its two daily flights as the only carrier offering direct service between the two cities. The All Aboard Florida schedule hasn't been set but officials have said trains will leave hourly and offer premium amenities, including Wi-Fi internet service, gourmet meals, reserved business- and coach-service seating, and will be fully equipped with easy-on/easy-off baggage compartments.

.....

eleven=11 Aug 21, 2012 1:53 AM

yeah , being stuck in trafic (in a car)
if its a long long freight train , thats anoying
but for a short passenger train
no big deal , just like a red light......

Lakelander Aug 21, 2012 2:11 AM

^Yeah, I don't see waiting less than 10 to 15 seconds for a passenger train making only three stops (only two per hour) in the entire metro being a big deal.

eleven=11 Aug 21, 2012 2:23 AM

I cant view the sun sentinal stuff
can someone post some info on the broward hub?

I love downtown fl lauderdale
In my party days this was the place to be
but this was back when it was ghetto bad.

Lakelander Aug 21, 2012 12:59 PM

Here is the blurb about Fort Lauderdale's proposed downtown station site, from the article posted by M II A II R II K.

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In Fort Lauderdale, the focus is on an area north of the bus terminal on Broward Boulevard, between Andrews Avenue and the tracks.

Construction is set to begin early next year, according to FECI officials.

Broward's Metropolitan Planning Organization, which sets the county's transportation priorities, has already dedicated $8 million for a "mobility hub" adjacent to the station. It will serve as a maintenance facility for the city's proposed streetcar and will occupy two city blocks bounded by Andrews and Northeast First avenues and Northeast First and Fourth streets.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...passenger-rail

Jonboy1983 Aug 21, 2012 3:27 PM

Wow...

I really hope this all works out in the end. If it does, then it should serve as a model of how private-funded HSR projects could work in the US.

On a side note. I thought the new intermodal facility being built at MIA was to have high-speed rail access in addition to the metrolink and bus facilities. Am I wrong?

eleven=11 Aug 21, 2012 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonboy1983 (Post 5805716)
Wow...

I really hope this all works out in the end. If it does, then it should serve as a model of how private-funded HSR projects could work in the US.

On a side note. I thought the new intermodal facility being built at MIA was to have high-speed rail access in addition to the metrolink and bus facilities. Am I wrong?

nice try
I hate private-funded HSR projects.
the rep GOV of florida can stick this up his butt.
the public transit system in dade county is going to put people on this train.
the public transit system is broward county is going to put people on this train.
the public transit system in palm beach is going to put people on this train.
the public airport in orlando is going to put people on this train.

if anybody wants to trade rick scott for a used bicycle lets do it.

N830MH Aug 21, 2012 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 5805961)
nice try
I hate private-funded HSR projects.
the rep GOV of florida can stick this up his butt.
the public transit system in dade county is going to put people on this train.
the public transit system is broward county is going to put people on this train.
the public transit system in palm beach is going to put people on this train.
the public airport in orlando is going to put people on this train.

if anybody wants to trade rick scott for a used bicycle lets do it.

Stop spamming the post and I don't like it at all. I do not appreciate for your behavior. You could reset your post count back to zero.

eleven=11 Aug 22, 2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 5806161)
Stop spamming the post and I don't like it at all. I do not appreciate for your behavior. You could reset your post count back to zero.

do you know anything about Rick Scott?

what was it I said about High Speed Rail that bothers you?

do you have a used bicycle?


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