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ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2011 10:50 PM

I've gone back through earlier posts of residences and I believe we might have missed this one.


The J.W. Robinson Mansion on Bellevue Ave. at Teed Street

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6...anoronteed.jpg
http://www.stoltzfamily.us/?p=451

I haven't heard of Teed Street before so I got out my trusty 1940s Los Angeles street map and looked and looked and looked.

FINALLY I found it.
Just for fun see how long it takes you to find Teed. :)


http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2...oking4teed.jpg
detail of map

Teed is tiny, only a block or two long.....but now I can't find Bellevue Avenue. :(
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Then I found this very old photograph of the Teed residence on a hill near the Plaza area.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5762/teedresidence.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=65653




Then late last night EUREKA! I found these two amazing photographs showing the J.W. Robinson residence on a hilltop in 1900 and 1885.
The view is looking north from Fort Moore Hill. The diagonal road at the bottom is Sunset Boulevard.


http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9...sonreslook.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1324080190892





below: I believe the road on the right is Castelar Street.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/916...sonreslook.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1324075605708


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GaylordWilshire Dec 16, 2011 11:00 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAPL

The 1916 Parkinson-designed housing Famous Department Store at the southwest corner of
Broadway and 9th began life as Blackstone's Department Store and French Salon. It was
founded by a brother-in-law of J.W. Robinson of the Boston Dry Goods store, later Robinson's.
Apparently now a loft conversion.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics49/00059086.jpgLAPL

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View

EDIT e_r: The Robinson connection in this post is a happy coincidence....

ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2011 11:10 PM

I'm curious G_W...were you aware of a Teed Street?

GaylordWilshire Dec 16, 2011 11:28 PM

I'd never heard of Teed Street, and it took me a while to find it in your map. Do we think that Bellevue once followed the alignment of Ord Street? Or perhaps that the address on the stolz website is in error?

ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2011 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5259292)
First of all, my knowledge of the residences of Los Angeles is limited....so keep that in mind.

I found this photograph on ebay of a beautiful house in Los Angeles, circa 1910

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8...ckrindgere.jpg

Later I found out it was the Frederick Rindge residence at 2263 S. Harward.


Just thought I'd add this photograph to our collection.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/807...ceonharvar.jpg
found on ebay last year

ethereal_reality Dec 16, 2011 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5519615)
I'd never heard of Teed Street, and it took me a while to find it in your map. Do we think that Bellevue once followed the alignment of Ord Street? Or perhaps that the address on the stolz website is in error?

I agree Ord Street seems to be the only possibility.

Here is a description of the J.W. Robinson residence at LAPL. It mentions Belle Vue Avenue as well.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/993...escription.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=65928

I'm going to look for an older map of that area (much older than my 1940 map)

GaylordWilshire Dec 17, 2011 12:01 AM

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G...obinson200.jpgLATFeb 7, 1892

Now, where is Rosas Street?

And I love that closeup of the Rindge house....

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2011 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5519651)
Now, where is Rosas Street?


The plot thickens. :)

so-cal-bear Dec 17, 2011 1:10 AM

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GaylordWilshire Dec 17, 2011 1:36 AM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...2520PM.bmp.jpgProducers Library

Black and white is perfect for film noir, but color makes footage of old Los Angeles all the more accessible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajDRv...el_video_title

rick m Dec 17, 2011 4:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5519634)
I agree Ord Street seems to be the only possibility.

Here is a description of the J.W. Robinson residence at LAPL. It mentions Belle Vue Avenue as well.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/993...escription.jpg
http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=65928

I'm going to look for an older map of that area (much older than my 1940 map)

Guys-- my 1905 reconstructed Sanborn map has this mansion at Teed St.- it'll be on the microfiche version- Teed had a position @ CityHall- can't exactly recall it here tho. The mansion got a major redo by the Edgemont family -who later donated it to become a girls academy

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2011 5:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by so-cal-bear (Post 5519724)
Wow! You found Teed St but not Bellevue? You have better eyes than I do. Well, I cheated a bit, Bellevue sounded familiar. And it should, I had business that took me there last week. That street Bellevue is weird! It turns left and right a lot. I took the liberty to highlight Bellevue and included a new Google map image of it highlited.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6...3816aae5_b.jpg

Thanks for highlighting Bellevue for us so-cal-bear.
I agree that Bellevue has many twists and turns but it never comes close to Teed Street. That's the conundrum.

fmmod Dec 17, 2011 9:54 AM

The ruins of this never-finished castle are - I believe - still standing in the Hollywood Hills on Pacific View Drive. I've been there but don't know the exact address. 7019 is right next door to the west of the stonework. The place has quite a history. Quite a few owners didn't finish it!


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5515594)
Found on ebay.

An unfinished 'Castle-in-the Sky' overlooking Cahuenga Pass.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/469...rhollywood.jpg




http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8...stlepass1r.jpg

Has anyone heard of this place before?

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GaylordWilshire Dec 17, 2011 2:07 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F...sonford250.jpgLAPL

It seems that the Robinsons moved on from Teed Street in time for Julia S. Ford to remodel the house in even higher Victorian fashion. (In my brief pokings around for this post I haven't seen any information on the Edgemonts or girls' school mentioned by rickm, but maybe that came later. Perhaps Rick can give us some more info.)

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061643.jpg
Careful study reveals the original upstairs front bay and porthole window remaining after the remodeling.

As for Teed, he seems to have been a ubiquitous city politician, serving in a number of capacities in the '80s and '90s including as city clerk and president of the city council. The name finally struck a bell--in my research for http://stjamesparklosangeles.blogspot.com/ I remembered reference to a Teed house just at the end of what is now called variously St. James Park West or St. James Place, which, at any rate, runs directly toward a house at 2365 Scarff Street built by Freeman G. Teed in 1893. In addition to his civic duties, Teed was also apparently something of a real estate specualtor. The house we see behind the prolific vegetation there today--now L.A. Historic-Cultural Monument No. 457--is an enlargement of his original cottage by Mrs. Elizabeth Wallace:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2...2520AM.bmp.jpgCDNC Los Angeles Herald, March 12, 1905

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-I...2520AM.bmp.jpgWikipedia

3940dxer Dec 17, 2011 4:46 PM

Gracie's Castle
 
The address was 7013 Pacific View Drive


L.A. Times Jan. 7, 1961
http://wwww.dkse.net/david/castle.gracie5.jpg

3940dxer Dec 17, 2011 5:33 PM

Looks like there was, at least, an indirect family connection...

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Clara.Clemens.jpg
L.A. Times Feb. 3, 1933

sopas ej Dec 17, 2011 5:47 PM

Remnants of the old unfinished castle still exist:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4602/picture3md.png
Google Maps

ethereal_reality Dec 17, 2011 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5520058)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics24/00061643.jpg
Careful study reveals the original upstairs front bay and porthole window remaining after the remodeling.

You saved me some embarrassment G_W. This was going to be my next post but I thought it was an entirely different house.

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That google aerial view of the cahuenga castle is so cool. I would love to go traipse around on that property.

Also good job on finding that article on the castle 3940dxer.

GaylordWilshire Dec 17, 2011 9:48 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L.../streetcar.jpgVintage Los Angeles
East First St and Ditman Ave, December 1957


So wan 54 years later... even the vehicles.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View
The Veiga-Robison Mortuary at left later moved to 5353 East Beverly Blvd,
where it remained until recently.

FredH Dec 17, 2011 11:30 PM

Re: The J.W. Robinson Residence
 
ethereal_reality:

Am I all screwed up :koko: (nothing out of the ordinary) or is this house...

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg403...jpg&res=medium
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1324080190892

...sitting up by the site of the Clover Trailer Park from Cry Danger?

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg4/s...jpg&res=medium
Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures


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