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Retired_in_Texas Feb 22, 2014 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6462303)
I was wondering who are these well dressed middle age people sitting in this impromptu classroom at the Hotel.

This is a ''law'' class of some kind according to the photo ID. My guess is they're studying so they can take the CA Real Estate License Exam. Any other ideas?

Would be a good guess, but not likely. According to the history of the DRE it wasn't until 1931 there was a written exam for real estate broker/sales person licensing. Prior to that there was some sort of an oral interview, with whom and specific nature not clear.

I thought it interesting that all but three in the photo had sour expressions on their faces as if someone had just announced the evening meal would consist of boiled Okra and baked Road Kill. We know it was evening because all the windows indicate it's dark as pitch outside.

HossC Feb 22, 2014 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6463482)

Great panorama HossC. I poached a copy (with attribution of course) for my photo-stream. I hope you don't mind. Let me know if it's a problem.

No problem at all. I posted (properly credited) information from your photo-stream a couple of weeks ago, so I guess that makes us even :).


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The picture below comes from a USC set titled: Series of pictures for lantern slides, at Southern Pacific depot, Los Angeles, CA, 1927. The camera is on South Central Avenue, looking south toward 6th Street. Apart from the Terminal Market warehouses in the distance on the left, everything has now gone.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

Checking the 1927 CD, the Barber Shop in the center appears to be H C Gordon.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ntralAvCD1.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

I'm intrigued by the cab driver's expression - is he just posing for the camera, or is he getting impatient because he's had to wait for the picture to be taken?. The cab itself looks quite dark for a Yellow Cab Co. vehicle, but maybe that's just in comparison to the Gray Line cab on the right of the main picture. The phone number here is DUnkirk 50-50 rather than the more familiar MAdison 1234.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Detail of picture above.

On the left of the photo above are the New Orleans Hotel and Grand Sheet Metal Mfg Co. Here are their 1927 CD entries:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ntralAvCD2.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

Earl Boebert Feb 22, 2014 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6463683)
[Snip]

I'm intrigued by the cab driver's expression - is he just posing for the camera, or is he getting impatient because he's had to wait for the picture to be taken?. The cab itself looks quite dark for a Yellow Cab Co. vehicle, but maybe that's just in comparison to the Gray Line cab on the right of the main picture. The phone number here is DUnkirk 50-50 rather than the more familiar MAdison 1234.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Detail of picture above.

Looks like he's wearing eye makeup, possibly a shot from a silent film.

Cheers,

Earl

CityBoyDoug Feb 22, 2014 10:20 PM

Real Estate Law class on 7th St.?
 
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Originally Posted by Retired_in_Texas (Post 6463628)
Would be a good guess, but not likely. According to the history of the DRE it wasn't until 1931 there was a written exam for real estate broker/sales person licensing. Prior to that there was some sort of an oral interview, with whom and specific nature not clear.

I thought it interesting that all but three in the photo had sour expressions on their faces as if someone had just announced the evening meal would consist of boiled Okra and baked Road Kill. We know it was evening because all the windows indicate it's dark as pitch outside.

Thanks Retired, you got me thinking again on this puzzle. I found another photo of this room. Some of the same students but now we see the teacher and his blackboard. Some of the words on the board are:

Contracts, Seller, Deed, Broker, Agents Authority, Sales, and Deposit.

Maybe this is a class on real estate law. Could these people be real estate agents or lawyers or both?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps0a66654d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psb87d09e1.jpg
Huntington Library collection

Those Who Squirm! Feb 22, 2014 10:29 PM

This looks like a George Wesley Bellows painting, though I'm sure it isn't. He would have been too young.

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6456538)


GaylordWilshire Feb 22, 2014 11:03 PM

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043701.jpgLAPL

First seen a few years ago is this great DeSoto dealer on La Brea...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1767


Now for a little car-id debate...

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6463400)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 6463591)
Wonderful photos, GW. Based on the size and angle of the windshield plus the shape of the hood, I would argue that the car in the foreground is a 1953-55 Studebaker.
Cheers,
Jack


You might be right, W-W...some models/series of mid-50s Studes have a slightly visor-like framing to their windshields...as do 55/56 Chryslers and DeSotos. The three makes even share a similar angle to A-pillars.... What pushes me toward believing it's a Chrysler product is what appears to be a slightly peaked chrome headlight rim...the Studes' rims are chrome but rounded. The detail of the wiper pivots on the car on the ferry appears to be Cryco....and also on the ferry car's cowl I am detecting the characteristic retractable air intake of Chrysler products, while, of course, a characteristic of Studes was their fender-scoop intakes. Studes and Chryslers both had the elaborate hood ornaments of the era, not seen in the ferry shot.... ok, ok, before anyone cries uncle, I'll stop. Just trying to make my case... No one could actually be reading down this far, could they?


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-s...2520PM.bmp.jpg
1956 DeSoto

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...2520PM.bmp.jpg
1955 Studebaker

Godzilla Feb 22, 2014 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6463400)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...2520AM.bmp.jpgLAPL


Before the Vincent Thomas bridge was built, there was the LA's municipal ferry Islander between San Pedro and Terminal Island. The photo might look older than it is, given the '49 Buick...looks like a '55 or '56 Chrysler--maybe a DeSoto?--this side of it.

The Islander made her last run on November 14, 1963.

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Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 6463626)
The ferry building had the good fortune of becoming the LA Maritime Museum. And right outside is the only place (so far as I'm aware) that you can ride a red car on an actual former PE line:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...0/PICT0118.JPG
Photo by me, 2007

They have 2 replica cars for daily service, and one genuine restored PE car (pictured above) used mostly on special occasions, on a short line which uses part of the former PE line as clearly illustrated by the older pic!

1959 - Interior of Ferry Bldg.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079323.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079323.jpg




But let's look back at much earlier times.



1890 - Bath House
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CB2CT6P9EB.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CB2CT6P9EB.jpg


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068814.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068814.jpg


1899 - Terminal Island had a lumber yard. Maybe more than one!
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033347.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033347.jpg


1924 - The Island
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033105.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033105.jpg



1924 - East End of Terminal Island
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033111.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033111.jpg


1930 - "Waterfront scene" Interesting multi-story building.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics06/00002606.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics06/00002606.jpg




1930 - Rum Raid!! Sparkletts with a kick?
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics49/00074431.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics49/00074431.jpg


1938 - Bet EL Cord would have approved.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00100/00100544.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00100/00100544.jpg


1942 - Japanese-Japanese-American businesses on Terminal Island
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043969.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043969.jpg

February 3, 1942 - Terminal Island checkpoint. (Per source, 400 people of Japanese descent were rounded up.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043977.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043977.jpg


1938 - Immigration Service Building
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057764.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057764.jpg


1939 - Terminal Island Prison
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics35/00037418.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics35/00037418.jpg




Terminal Island Federal Prison - used in '42 to house Naval recruits. Per source.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics32/00050793.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics32/00050793.jpg

Armed guards (?)
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics32/00050795.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics32/00050795.jpg

Terminal Way and Tuna Street
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043975.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043975.jpg



1945
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00088/00088292.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00088/00088292.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00088/00088291.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00088/00088291.jpg


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00088/00088301.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00088/00088301.jpg





1966 - Shame
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CN6SYU9JCC.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CN6SYU9JCC.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...E1S8CM24BR.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...E1S8CM24BR.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5MIF9V2F7N.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5MIF9V2F7N.jpg


Nearby resident - Spruce Goose tries to stay dry. Terminal Island's lumber yard and appurtenant ship building might have been a source for spare parts? ;)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...N4D8EEM3PQ.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...N4D8EEM3PQ.jpg





Terminal Island's Freeway

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics45/00042299.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics45/00042299.jpg


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics17/00008353.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics17/00008353.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics17/00008345.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics17/00008345.jpg

GaylordWilshire Feb 22, 2014 11:52 PM

:previous:


Despite its downbeat name and checkered history, its infamy among Japanese-Americans and its industrial uses--Terminal Island was once a resort rivaling Catalina, as some of your pictures show, Godzilla. Bralys and Woolwines, among others, owned summer houses on the island:


http://stjamesparklosangeles.blogspo...histories.html

Godzilla Feb 23, 2014 12:58 AM

The Beacon beckons. Get laundry here. Get laundry dirty, next post. If you survive, get clothes laundered again.


Beacon Laundry - 9134 Wilshire Boulevard, BH. (Gone!)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00085/00085731.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00085/00085731.jpg

Godzilla Feb 23, 2014 1:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6464033)
:previous:


Despite its downbeat name and checkered history, its infamy among Japanese-Americans and its industrial uses--Terminal Island was once a resort rivaling Catalina, as some of your pictures show, Godzilla. Bralys and Woolwines, among others, owned summer houses on the island:


http://stjamesparklosangeles.blogspo...histories.html


Good points. I am guessing that by the time the prison was constructed in the late '30s the likes of the Bralys and Woolines were very far and few between. The random images neglect to depict all of the island's history, including shipbuilding, fishing and canning.

I was unaware that the Federal prison had its own colorful history, having been both a Federal (including military) and State facility, as well as a mental hospital. http://wonderland1981.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/happy-54th-birthday-barbara-richardson/

Notorious San Pedro video: "Beacon Street was the toughest four blocks in the world." http://vimeo.com/25152402 Per the narrative, RattleSnake Island became Terminal Island in 1918. The name "Terminal" may have been the Rail Road's unimaginative moniker as the obvious end of the line.



1900-1910 Beacon Street. Sepulveda Bldg.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...AQTFBNGBU9.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...AQTFBNGBU9.jpg



1910 - Beacon Street, San Pedro
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics35/00037183.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics35/00037183.jpg





1910
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LKJRH7HQQC.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LKJRH7HQQC.jpg

1970 - Beacon Street, San Pedro
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics39/00039127.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics39/00039127.jpg


1970 More Beacon
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics26/00032606.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics26/00032606.jpg





1971 - Last glimpse
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...M4FUCVXYN4.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...M4FUCVXYN4.jpg


1971 - Demolition
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...A8XMRR7UJ8.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...A8XMRR7UJ8.jpg



http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9XPTTV8JN3.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9XPTTV8JN3.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JAMD14J4QR.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JAMD14J4QR.jpg

Prior Beacon Street references:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=4810187&postcount=1098;
http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=16724
http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=16732

sadykadie2 Feb 23, 2014 2:15 AM

https://8b95b2b2-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites....attredirects=0 This is my grandmother in 1925. The caption says "In front of Mary Pickford's house"

ProphetM Feb 23, 2014 5:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sadykadie2 (Post 6464171)
https://8b95b2b2-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites....attredirects=0 This is my grandmother in 1925. The caption says "In front of Mary Pickford's house"

No image shows up here, but I can copy & paste the URL into a new window by quoting your post and looking at the code that way. There is a ton of extra stuff in your URL - you should be able to remove everything after the ".jpg", BUT even when I do that I can't get the picture to show up in a post, no idea why.

I tried the short version here but still no luck:

https://8b95b2b2-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites....pi/scan347.jpg

Everyone else, if you can't see the pic just use the quote link for her post or mine to get the URL. It's a nice pic!

Beaudry Feb 23, 2014 8:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6456525)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7411/1...497e541a_o.jpg
Sherwood Hotel and Apartments, 431 S. Grand Avenue

As full frontal as you're going to get. Interestingly, the low wall on the street next door goes back to the abandoned foundations of 1900. Same wall.

We still need a good photo of the Sherwood facade, but until such time we can at least have a study-worthy scan of the dang postcard. To that end:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7404/1...fc8c4b38_o.gif

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/...8cf7c8e7_o.gif

I'm curious to know what the rooftop rooms -- scaled down from the more overtly Franco-Mansard original treatment -- contained. Perhaps something akin to the well-documented Engstrum solarium? They had a "sun parlor," after all. Plus disappearing beds on doors!
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3705/1...499c48c6_o.gif

Beaudry Feb 23, 2014 9:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6455756)
That garage was replaced by the Edison Annex, seen here in April 1931:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...9.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/27111/rec/2

I'm quite happy to see this here, and recent mention here, somewhere, of the Gas & Electric Bldg, since they are part of the unsung legacy of Bunker Hill.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/1...a7207f6b_o.gif
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7443/1...929f1a11_o.gifhuntington

Everybody loves the Edison Bldg but who remembers its contemporary annex at 432 S Hope, also by Allison & Allison? That a major Art Deco work of theirs was allowed to be demolished is kind of shocking.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7444/1...7c6e7091_o.gifhuntington

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7294/1...5a3c40ce_o.gifhuntington

Station 42 at 428 S Hope was an early-20s branch powerhouse for Los Angeles Gas & Electric, purchased by the Bureau of Power and Light in 1937, and later as a distributing station for the DWP a lot of its load was taken over by the 1957 construction of the underground station at Temple between Broadway and Hill.
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5471/1...2030f1d4_o.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/1...8035de2a_o.jpgdwp

We know it existed at least through 1977, as it was at the end of that year the papers noted its leaky roof resulted in a sixteen-minute blackout downtown.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2876/1...cd3b4ca5_o.pngGSV

Station 42 is now about where "Hope Place" starts. The only recognizable imagery is the library peeking through foliage in both shots.

HossC Feb 23, 2014 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 6464414)
Station 42 at 428 S Hope was an early-20s branch powerhouse for Los Angeles Gas & Electric, purchased by the Bureau of Power and Light in 1937, and later as a distributing station for the DWP a lot of its load was taken over by the 1957 construction of the underground station at Temple between Broadway and Hill.

We know it existed at least through 1977, as it was at the end of that year the papers noted its leaky roof resulted in a sixteen-minute blackout downtown.

Here's a screengrab from 'CHiPs' that I posted recently. The episode, which aired in 1979, shows the Edison Annex and Station 42 still standing.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...PsDTLA0216.jpg
MGM TV/Rosner TV

Both buildings also seem to be present in this aerial shot from 1980 which I posted last year (the red box surrounds the Engstrum).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAEngstrum.jpg
Historic Aerials

HossC Feb 23, 2014 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadykadie2 (Post 6464171)
This is my grandmother in 1925. The caption says "In front of Mary Pickford's house"

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 6464321)
No image shows up here, but I can copy & paste the URL into a new window by quoting your post and looking at the code that way. There is a ton of extra stuff in your URL - you should be able to remove everything after the ".jpg", BUT even when I do that I can't get the picture to show up in a post, no idea why.

I tried the short version here but still no luck:

Everyone else, if you can't see the pic just use the quote link for her post or mine to get the URL. It's a nice pic!

The image shows for me when I quote the original post, but then disappears when I leave the page and come back. I can't figure out why it's behaving like this, so I copied the image to my PhotoBucket account:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...r.jpg~original

GaylordWilshire Feb 23, 2014 2:27 PM

:previous:


Well, it's not Pickfair...


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j....bmp.jpg?gl=USLAPL

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070677.jpgLAPL

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F....bmp.jpg?gl=USdavelandweb.com

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K....bmp.jpg?gl=UScredit link

As seen with its original gates--perhaps put in by the original owner, attorney Lee Allen Phillips (story here).


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-H....bmp.jpg?gl=USGSV May 2011

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X....bmp.jpg?gl=USGSV May 2011

The matching back gate, and below, the not-very-attractive now-primary entrance to the late Pickfair

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k....bmp.jpg?gl=USGSV May 2011


From the air, the neighborhood of Pickfair looks about as exclusive as Levittown these days

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-v....bmp.jpg?gl=USGSV


Could we nevertheless have Pia's head on a pike? You know, the Golden Globe best-actress winner of of 1952?

Beaudry Feb 23, 2014 6:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6464425)

Both buildings also seem to be present in this aerial shot from 1980 which I posted last year (the red box surrounds the Engstrum).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAEngstrum.jpg
Historic Aerials

Those are awesome, thanks! Oh and by the way, I want to take the time to thank you (since this isn't Facebook and there's no "like button") for the excellent work you did on the Connor slide-stitchery the other day. It's what prompted me to post on these two.

Retired_in_Texas Feb 23, 2014 7:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6463916)
Thanks Retired, you got me thinking again on this puzzle. I found another photo of this room. Some of the same students but now we see the teacher and his blackboard. Some of the words on the board are:

Contracts, Seller, Deed, Broker, Agents Authority, Sales, and Deposit.

Maybe this is a class on real estate law. Could these people be real estate agents or lawyers or both?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps0a66654d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psb87d09e1.jpg
Huntington Library collection

Well if anything the puzzle seems to expand a bit. I would agree that what is on the blackboard would indicate some sort of seminar about real estate practice or law. What makes it more puzzling is some of the same people being in both photos and the total absence of any of the women seen in the first photograph. At this point I'm thinking the LAPL date on the photo is off by a couple of years.

As a side note, I have come to the conclusion the room is on the second level and on the left side if one is looking at a front elevation of the building. Conclusion arrived at on the basis of the windows we could see in the first photo seem to follow the outside shape at that point. I'm also thinking that some of the "fixtures" that appear to be without light bulbs may actually be sprinkler heads.

Retired_in_Texas Feb 23, 2014 8:37 PM

Thanks for the great photos of the Battleship Texas. I suspect those were taken before she headed of to support the landings at both Iwo Jima and Okinawa considering when she returned she had been painted in camouflage to make her less visible to Japanese aircraft.

The USS Texas was the last of the Dreadnaught class of Battleships in the Navy and had the unique distinction of having served in both WWI and WWII in both the European and Pacific theaters. Having in the early 1930s been the "Flagship Vessel" of the Navy she enjoyed many firsts as the Navy geared up to more modern times.

The Texas was decommissioned in April of 1948 after 34 years of service. She is now located in San Jacinto State Park in the Houston metro area. I had the privilege of touring her pretty much as she was on decommissioning. Anyone who is interested in her unique history can go to http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/state-pa...ttleship-texas and http://www.usstexasbb35.com/

For those who venture to the second link the spire seen in the background is the San Jacinto Monument, erected 1936 as tribute the location where Texas won its independence from Mexico in 1836. Our next door neighbor was the mason that constructed the 34 foot high Star atop the 570 foot tall Obelisk. It is the tallest stone memorial monument in the world and is 15 feet taller than the Washington Monument.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...jY8I4uZEIeI4zw
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/state-pa...-site-monument


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