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ethereal_reality Apr 6, 2010 7:45 PM

Interesting details about Clifford Clinton GaylordWilshire.

I've placed a hold on L.A. Noir at my local library. I can't wait to read it.

sopas ej Apr 7, 2010 6:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4783195)
Since sopas_ej mentioned he had ridden the newly opened Angels Flight four times,
I thought I'd post this photo from 1942 I found a few weeks ago on ebay.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6...ht1942ebay.jpg
ebay




Below: Interesting commentary on the reverse side.


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7...light1942r.jpg
ebay


Sopas_ej, did you take any photographs?

Cool pics!

Yes I did take some pictures of my first ride on Angels Flight since its reopening (prior to that I last rode it in 1996).

This was on March 20, 2010:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3526801_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._6138230_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._8198154_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2358806_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._7861117_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._2851799_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1541708_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._6988346_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2327109_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._6204624_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._7628183_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3706064_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._2087045_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._8283537_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478....6_695654_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._1604451_n.jpg

I like that they use incandescent bulbs inside and NOT energy-saving compact fluorescents. It would've been even more old-school if they used the non-frosted, clear bulbs.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...8_881049_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1679729_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._6234842_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs478...._5101783_n.jpg

ethereal_reality Apr 7, 2010 3:35 PM

Those are indeed GREAT photos sopas_ej. Thanks for sharing.

GaylordWilshire Apr 7, 2010 7:53 PM

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Tony in Glendale Apr 8, 2010 4:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4317552)
Cohen had his Cadillac overhauled to make it bulletproof and bombproof.
(I don't know if he did this before or after the Sherry's attack)


below: the 3 inch thick windshield.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8...cohenscadi.jpg




below: the 3 inch (or more) side window vent.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3...ohenscadix.jpg




below: Cohen's Cadillac in the shop.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2...cohensbull.jpg

Mickey's Caddy today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...acgangster.jpg

At the Southward Museum in New Zealand
The carmuseum.co.nz

sopas ej Apr 8, 2010 8:31 AM

Welcome, Tony! Funny that Mickey Cohen's Caddy would end up in New Zealand.


A few weeks ago I rented Orson Welles' "Touch of Evil," which was released in 1958. I love that film because of Marlene Dietrich's wave after wave of sassy one-liners, like "You're a mess, honey." "I didn't recognize you; you should lay off the candy bars." "Your future is all used up." And of course she says them the only way she can say them, with her husky German accent.

But anyway, the film is set in a fictional Mexican border town; Orson Welles chose to shoot it in Venice. Venice started out as a beachside resort in the early 1900s, complete with canals and even Italian gondoliers; there was also an amusement park. Most of the canals were filled in in 1929. But by the 1950s, Venice had become a run-down place with oil wells dotting the landscape, perfect for "Touch of Evil." The low rents attracted the artsy crowd and by the 1960s the hippies started hanging out and moving in. Of course now, Venice has been gentrifying but it's still known as an artists' area; a few canals still exist and have been cleaned up. I haven't been to Venice in a while; watching "Touch of Evil" makes me wanna go there soon.

Windward Avenue, Venice, 1920s
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6...evenice192.jpg
USC Archive

Windward Avenue 1929
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/644...evenice192.jpg
USC Archive

1953 (?)
This building used to be the railroad station; this photo shows that it was turned into a bank.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057237.jpg
LAPL

Bridge over a canal in 1966
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057280.jpg
LAPL

1960
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008969.jpg
LAPL

1960
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009143.jpg
LAPL

1953
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057300.jpg
LAPL

1953, debris in a canal, oil derricks in the background
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057305.jpg
LAPL

Windward Avenue, 1953
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057227.jpg
LAPL

1953
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057292.jpg
LAPL

1930
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics41/00070423.jpg
LAPL

1934-- this image made me think of the Little Rascals theme.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009222.jpg
LAPL

1928
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009219.jpg
LAPL

1927
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057240.jpg
LAPL

1922
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009200.jpg
LAPL

Camel-riding, 1906
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics29/00064200.jpg
LAPL

Windward Avenue, 1906
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057211.jpg
LAPL

Venice Oceanfront, 1905
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics30/00034595.jpg
LAPL

1905
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009131.jpg http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008934.jpg
LAPL

Gondoliers on the Venice canals, 1909
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics19/00009204.jpg
LAPL

Windward Avenue, 1906
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2987/venice1906.jpg
USC Archive

Making way for the wrecking crew, 1946
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057224.jpg
LAPL

Venice Pier closed, 1946
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057222.jpg
LAPL

Venice Pier, 1920s
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057210.jpg
LAPL

1946: A heavy truck loaded with steel plates crashes through the deck of the condemned Venice pier.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057234.jpg
LAPL

Ship Cafe, 1946
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057223.jpg
LAPL

Ship Cafe and Venice Pier, 1902
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057207.jpg
LAPL

Ship Cafe, undated photo
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008970.jpg
LAPL

gsjansen Apr 8, 2010 12:24 PM

Angels Flight operational again
 
I'm so happy to see Angels Flight operational again. I wonder why Sinai does not have it's car top sign.....i hope it has nothing to do with how lovingly stored and cared for sinai and olivet were during the 1st storage period. 1969-2006:rolleyes:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4046/...c29b5d54_o.jpg
LAPL

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3362/...5f985e8b_o.jpg
LAPL

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/...07aa8c47_o.jpg
LAPL

gsjansen Apr 8, 2010 12:48 PM

Hill Street Tunnels No 1 & 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 4727175)
There's our old wet-blanket friend the WCTU at Broadway & Temple (upper center), and the Broadway Tunnel beyond that. But I'm blanking out on the tunnel at the upper left. Anyone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 4730716)
I've never heard a name for that tunnel, but I think it's another trolley tunnel that's just north of the Hill Street trolley tunnel (the one on the left in this view):


http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...49-11-ISLA.jpg


I like this photo from 1908 showing where Hill stopped at First Street, and before First was extended up First Street Hill:


http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...t/CHS-6347.jpg


And check out the sign for the Highland Villa (a grand old building):

"Furnished rooms/$2.00 per week & up." :)

The tunnel that you are blanking out on is tunnel No. 2 of the Hill Street Red Car Line. Tunnel No.1 is the double tunnel shown above, Tunnel No.2 ran between Temple and Sunset directly under Moore Hill. In fact, it ran directly beneath the School building on the hill.

here is a link to a page that describes in detail both tunnels;

http://www.oerm.org/pages/LARy%20hillst.htm

here are two images clearly showing tunnel No. 2 during the grading process of Moore Hill for the freeway. The North Portal of double Tunnel No.1 is directly beneath the white house in the photo. 215 N. Hill, Burt Lancaster's family's house in the 1949 film Criss Cross

1951
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3327/...8df1360b_o.jpg
usc digital library

1952
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2484/...6afb6dbc_o.jpg
usc digital library

GaylordWilshire Apr 8, 2010 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony in Glendale (Post 4785979)
Mickey's Caddy today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...acgangster.jpg

At the Southward Museum in New Zealand
The carmuseum.co.nz

So that's where Mickey's bulletproof Caddy wound up... I've read that he tried to sell it to Juan Peron of Argentina, then to Mexican prexy Miguel Valdez, when trying to raise money for his defense before being sent to the clink for income-tax evasion in 1951. Must be one incredibly heavy Fleetwood!

gsjansen Apr 8, 2010 1:09 PM

Two views looking East from Beaudry towards bunker hill
 
These two shots, the 1st one taken in 1937, and the 2nd in 1968, (only 31 years apart :stunned: ) are identical views taken from the same location, above Beaudry between 2nd and 3rd street looking due East at bunker hill.

1937
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/...2b8a727b_o.jpg

1968
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/...5269db6a_o.jpg
Cal State Library

simply amazing..................

GaylordWilshire Apr 8, 2010 1:09 PM

Mickey's house
 
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-08/41759352.jpg L.A. Times photo

Mickey and LaVonne Cohen's house at 513 Moreno Ave., Brentwood, 1949. Wonder if it still looks anything like this? (Note the Caddy convertible in front. In addition to his bulletproof Fleetwood, Mickey was given to ordering two other Cadillacs every year--apparently with money he should have been sending to the IRS instead.)

Another shot:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics31/00050160.jpg L. A. Public Library

And more on the bulletproof Fleetwood, the Sherry's shootings, etc:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...-cohens-1.html

gsjansen Apr 8, 2010 2:36 PM

Mickey's frugal car
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 4786230)
Mickey and LaVonne Cohen's house at 513 Moreno Ave., Brentwood, 1949. Wonder if it still looks anything like this? (Note the Caddy convertible in front. In addition to his bulletproof Fleetwood, Mickey was given to ordering two other Cadillacs every year--apparently with money he should have been sending to the IRS instead.)


apparently out of the pen, Mickey became a regular suburban kinda guy. here's a link to his new car after doing time............http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...key-cohen.html

a rambler!

GaylordWilshire Apr 8, 2010 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4786301)
apparently out of the pen, Mickey became a regular suburban kinda guy. here's a link to his new car after doing time............http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...key-cohen.html

a rambler!

I guess his good friend Billy Graham finally succeeded (along with the feds) in getting Mickey to give up his life of luxury. But there was continuity--as I understand it, these Ramblers had "bulletproof" 6-cylinder engines, descendants of which still power (or did until recently) Jeep Cherokees.

As for the house, that would be 13841 Wyandotte St. in Van Nuys. Then:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...pete_grant.jpgPete Grant/L.A. Times

and Now: Check out the Google street view--the house appears to be almost EXACTLY the same 48 years later:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_zXN_GwdMYMo/TQ...60403%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...-8&sa=N&tab=wl

sopas ej Apr 8, 2010 6:16 PM

Hehe, Van Nuys! According to zillow.com, that house in Van Nuys is currently only worth $299,500. Small house, too-- 2 bedrooms, 1,218 square feet.

His Brentwood house is currently worth $1,859,000... 4 bedrooms, 2,943 square feet and on an 18,000 square foot lot.

ethereal_reality Apr 8, 2010 10:11 PM

We covered the Sherry's shooting earlier in this thread as well.
In case anyone missed it....here it is.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4317524)
sopas_ej wrote:
This is a wide angle shot showing Sherry's Restaurant (on the right side) where Mickey Cohen and 3 others were ambushed at 3:45 a.m. in front of the restaurant on the Sunset Strip. Mickey's car drove up to the curb and gunmen (hiding across the street under an advertising sign indicated in the area circled on the left side of the picture) opened fire with shotguns. The gunmen then sped away in a gray auto, tossing out the guns a block away. Mickey was the least seriously wounded. (File date: July 20, 1949)

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4015/20879980.jpg
lapl originally posted by sopas_ej

I thought it was interesting you posted the above pic sopas_ej.
I have three additional photos in my file from the USC archive.
(but I didn't have the one you posted)


http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8...manhid1949.jpg

above: where the shooters hid, behind the billboard.



http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3...9093sunset.jpg

above: stray bullet holes.



http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/16/sjuly201949.jpg

above: Cohen's car.


ethereal_reality Apr 8, 2010 10:59 PM

Sherry's was located at 9039 Sunset Blvd.

Before Sherry's it was Cafe La Maze, with the lounge area called The Key Club.



http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9...iswascafel.gif
unknown


Above: You can see the Key Club painted on the side of the building.







Then it became Sherry's.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2...swassherry.jpg





After Sherry's it was Gazzarri's.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9959/la0407gazz.jpg



Below: An advertisement from 1966.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4...arris1966a.jpg
gogonotes.blogspot



http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1...azzarrismb.jpg
gogonotes.blogspot



Today, the venue at 9039 Sunset Blvd. is called The Key Club.
A homage to it's Cafe La Maze days?



I enjoyed the photographs of Venice Sopas_ej.
The opening shot of "Touch of Evil" is also very famous.
The camera follows Heston/Leigh for several blocks as they drive through the border town (actually Venice),
culminating in the explosion. That one scene is better than most entire movies.

ethereal_reality Apr 8, 2010 11:35 PM

Is it odd I'm quoting my own posts?





Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4751916)
The Burbank Theater north of 6th Street, on the east side of Main Street in 1903.
If I remember correctly, this eventually became a venue for burlesque.


http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1...theatereas.jpg
usc digital archive



Below: I found these photos/clipping in an old file of mine.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7...ktheatre11.jpg
unknown



http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1...nktheatre9.jpg
LIFE



http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6...theatre5me.jpg
LIFE







Below: Another downtown burlesque venue, the Follies Theatre at 337 S. Main Street.


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/663...rllatimesb.jpg
latimesblog




Below: Here is Betty Rowland performing in L.A. in 1946.


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2...uedancerbe.jpg
ucla archives (I think)



Below: Check this out...it's really cool. Betty Rowland is one of the dancers.

http://vimeo.com/630123

ethereal_reality Apr 9, 2010 12:26 AM

You can spot the Follies Theatre in this photo of Main St.
This view is looking north from 4th Street.


http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6...407follies.jpg
usc digital archive







Below: In this 1918 photo you can see the Burbank Theater (on the left) long before it became a house of burlesque.


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2...theater191.jpg
usc digital archive


Above: This view is looking south on Main Street from 6th Street.

gsjansen Apr 9, 2010 1:21 PM

Oh Mickey You're so Fine..............
 
More Mickey Cohen images.......

The result of the July 19th, 1949 hit attempt outside Sherry's, resulted in the death of Mickey's bodyguard Neddie Herbert who was shot in the back

Neddie Herbert laying on the sidewalk outside of Sherry's
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/...6af336b9_o.jpg
Delmar Watson Photography

Neddie Herbert being placed in the ambulance outside Sherry's
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2721/...c7c032d7_o.jpg
LAPL

In February of 1950, another attempt was made on Micky's life by bombing his Brentwood Home
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/...d67bb43c_o.jpg
USC Digital Library

Mickey survived that attempt, However his mouthpeice and lawyer, Sammy Rummel did not fare that well. He was rubbed out inside his Laurel Canyon Home in December of 1950
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2790/...d79aaeaa_o.jpg
Delmar Watson Photography

In August of 1948, Mickey and his cohorts Mike Howard, Sol Davis and James Rist were picked up by the L.A.P.D. and are photographed here, awaiting booking into the county pokie
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2734/...0447cef4_b.jpg
LAPL

gsjansen Apr 9, 2010 1:43 PM

Bump and Grind
 
Here is a great photo of the Follies Burlesque house where our favorite Red Headed Ball of Fire burlesque queen is performing;)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2735/...9bfbbf7a_o.jpg
Wesselman Collection/The Williams Partnership

The Follies theater is very prominently featured in the 1956 "B" movie the Indestructible Man with Lon Chaney. This movie also has one of the best scenes that shows angels flight,the Hillcrest Inn, as nt ealley between the Hillcrest and the Astor. I highly recommend it for all bunker hill/L.A. Noir enthusiasts. :tup:


A runway full of dames at the follies
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/...11653537_o.jpg
Wesselman Collection/The Williams Partnership

gsjansen Apr 9, 2010 2:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garfield (Post 4705458)
I see people are asking about historical buildings. I have a bit of a mystery that I'd like to solve if possible.

Below are a couple of pics of what appears to be a section of rail tracks. This was taken on the west side of the 3rd street tunnel. I thought this was the original location for Angels Flight before it was moved. However, all documentation on it states that it was on the east side of the 3rd street tunnel.

Does anyone know what this is? If not, could you point me in the right direction?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/...3be0b352e9.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2794/...9a1af3f594.jpg

I believe that the structure is part of the electrical substation, and generation plant that was installed as part of the bunker hill CRA development plan. In photo below, which is from 1970. the engineering plant is clearly visble just to the North, (left), of the extended 3rd street tunnel

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3653/...5ec2c99e_o.jpg
USC Digital Archive

Here is an amazing 1903 photograph of the western terminus of the third street tunnel taken from the very exact spot that you photographed it from

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3608/...22f2fb2f_o.jpg
UCLA Library

Great Googleymoogly

ethereal_reality Apr 9, 2010 3:23 PM

^^^The Cohen photos are great gsjansen.



I'm intrigued at how the man is reading about the murder at the murder scene.
I never realized 'EXTRA' editions could hit the streets so fast.
I mean...that's amazing. I wouldn't think it would be possible.



Below are a couple more photos I had of the Samuel Rummel murder.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7...murder1950.jpg
ucla




http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2...urder1950a.jpg
ucla

ethereal_reality Apr 9, 2010 3:39 PM

^^^Also, the two 'Follies' photos gsjansen posted are truly wonderful.




Below is the Belasco Theater at 337 S. Main Street, which is the same address as the Follies Theatre.


http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7...o337smains.jpg
usc digital archive


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/663...rllatimesb.jpg


My guess is that it's the same building refitted with a modern facade.
Does anyone know for sure if it's the same building?


Here's gsjansen's photograph again for comparison.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7...8follies2a.jpg
The Wessellman Collection/The Williams Partnership


OK....the more I look at it, the more I'm sure it's the same building.

ethereal_reality Apr 9, 2010 3:57 PM

Here is Betty Rowland (aka Ball of Fire) after being convicted of lewd conduct in 1952.


http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2...irelewdcon.jpg
ucla


Not quite the Ball of Fire I expected. I think at this point she's more than a few years past her prime.

sopas ej Apr 9, 2010 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4788047)

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7...o337smains.jpg
usc digital archive

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7...8follies2a.jpg
The Wessellman Collection/The Williams Partnership

OK....the more I look at it, the more I'm sure it's the same building.

I'm pretty sure it is indeed the same building. The proportions look the same as well as the way the windows go.

Unfortunately this building no longer exists; it's now the site of a surface parking lot. It's interesting to me that what was probably a "legitimate" theater at one time became a burlesque theater; plus the space that was once occupied by a tailor later on became a pawn shop. So within a few decades, that section of Main Street became somewhat seedy. That area apparently has been seedy for a long time. Only within the last decade has gentrification set in. It's still a "transitional" area, though.

sopas ej Apr 9, 2010 4:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4788036)
^^^The Cohen photos are great gsjansen.

I agree, great photos, gsjansen!



Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4788036)
Below are a couple more photos I had of the Samuel Rummel murder.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7...murder1950.jpg
ucla

I gasped when I saw that picture. I didn't realize that this murder took place at that house on Laurel Canyon Blvd. I've been fascinated by that house ever since I was 18, when in college I made friends with a girl from North Hollywood, and when we'd hang out, we'd go from her house "over the hill" into Hollywood and beyond; but we'd get there by taking Laurel Canyon Blvd. and we'd pass by this huge Mediterranean-style mansion which in the late 1980s and well into the 1990s looked abandoned, complete with weeds; it always made me think of Norma Desmond's mansion in "Sunset Boulevard" and I would think of that line from the film that went something like "it was a huge mansion, the kind that crazy movie people built back in the crazy 20s..." I last drove by that house about a year or 2 ago and I assume someone does indeed live there now because it's all well-kept now, but somehow it looks tacky. I liked it better when it looked abandoned and run-down.

gsjansen Apr 9, 2010 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4788071)
Here is Betty Rowland (aka Ball of Fire) after being convicted of lewd conduct in 1952.


http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2...irelewdcon.jpg
ucla


Not quite the Ball of Fire I expected. I think at this point she's more than a few years past her prime.

here's a link to a February 2009 LA Time article about The Red Headed Ball of Fire

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb...t/et-minskys27

betty in her prime
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2733/...c4385b82_o.gif

hubba hubba

more betty photos can be found here.....http://www.netropolitan.org/betty/bettyphotos.html

Burlesque Noir at it's best!:multibow

gsjansen Apr 9, 2010 5:21 PM

LAPD Noir
 
I know i'm new to this forum, (i have no idea why i hadn't stumbled on it before....A. I'm and Architect....B. I adore and am a complete L.A. Noir addict!)

I keep going back over the 9 months of this thread to make sure that i am not posting anything that has been posted before. If i fail in that endeavor, and do post something that has been covered previously, i do apologize......anyway,

no LA Noir forum is complete without a nod to Los Angeles Police Department Noir.

1st up is the man who's number one job was to quash Noir, Police Chief James Edgar "Two Guns" Davis :twoguns:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2733/...e81ffa5a5c.jpg
UCLA library

The most famous crime scene in Los Angeles History. The discovered severed torso of Elizabeth Short the Black Dahlia in
Leimert Park South Los Angeles
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/...583694ac29.jpg
Bruce Henstell

OK, maybe this one ties the Black Dahlia for being the most famous murder scene. Benjamin Bugsy Siegel rubbed out in Beverly Hills
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/...5af1cfaedf.jpg
Delmar Watson Photography

The usual Suspects. a 1940 LAPD Lineup
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/...2269bfd1_b.jpg
USC Digital Archive

1930 LAPD Detective Squad Group group photo
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/...f1b05e54_o.jpg
Wesselman Collection/The Williams Partnership

And one more shot of the follies. in 1954 a korean war vet who had developed a crush on chorus girl Loretta Miller, went to the theater in pure desperation after never getting a response to his numerous love letters to her. Put a gun to his head, while clutching her 8 X 10 glossy photo, and put an end to his misery. The police found a note he had scrawled on a nearby wall which read........."Good-bye Angel Face"...........
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/...750d49bb2c.jpg
Delmar Watson Photography

gsjansen Apr 10, 2010 3:49 PM

How most Sorrid Noir Tales begin
 
Fresh off the bus 1938. This is in front of the Broadway-Hollywood Department store at Hollywood and Vine. Small town girl looking to make it big on the Boulevard of Broken Dreams
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2097/...6c9a475c94.jpg
Library of Congress

gsjansen Apr 10, 2010 4:17 PM

Some more Cold War Noir
 
Another early morning atomic blast sunrise for downtown. March 7th, 1955
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/...6215b0b6_o.jpg
LAPL


1st televised atomic blast. the KTLA cameraman on top of the news truck looks awfully close:eek:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2009/...e5ac928d1c.jpg
Tribune Broadcasting

Not really cold war noir, but hey, they could be tracking down a red scare story on top of court hill at 1st and hill street..............anyway, i absolutely love this photo, and it certainly does have a noir quality to it
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/...82b15318_o.jpg
LAPL

gsjansen Apr 10, 2010 8:18 PM

Miniature Noir
 
In 1938, the WPA commissioned a study of downtown Los Angleles to help determine proper planning for the fast growing metropolis.

a full colored image of the model showing bunker hill. Centered on third street and hill street
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/...b7fc228b_b.jpg
LAPL


is it a forgotten Japanese monster horror flick entitled, "The Giant Monster From Planning and Zoning Attacks Los Angeles"???!!!!!???

no, it's just a WP model maker placing city hall on the study model
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2179/...f1094c47_o.jpg
LAPL

JDRCRASH Apr 10, 2010 8:32 PM

lol

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2010 9:42 PM

^^^I love that colorful model of Bunker Hill. I haven't seen before.

I have a photo similar to the other one above.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8...ntermodel1.jpg
I believe I found this on ebay


I love the atomic/cold war photos as well.
The movie 'Kiss Me Deadly' ties the two subjects together.
(so does the movie THEM! with the mutant ants attacking L.A.)


Earlier in the thread we briefly touched on this theme.
Below is the link/post #290 if you what to check it out gsjansen.

If you haven't seen 'Kiss Me Deadly' yet, DON'T click on the link.
After rereading my past post...some of my captions could be considered 'spoilers'.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...170279&page=15


Thanks again for sharing all these great photographs gsjansen.
You've really helped to bring the thread alive again.

JDRCRASH Apr 10, 2010 9:51 PM

I could stare at those city models forever. :redface:

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2010 10:11 PM

Below: Los Angeles 1952.


http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7...oreboding1.jpg
ucla



Below: Building a fallout shelter in San Marino 1961

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8...onstafallo.jpg
ucla



Below: Parking garages AND bomb shelters 1951.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/259...helter1951.jpg
usc digital archive

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2010 10:17 PM

....not the cold war, but interesting none the less.


The mayor dedicates new Air Raid Shelter signs in downtown Los Angeles 1942.


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6...sheltermay.jpg
ucla

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2010 10:28 PM

I have to follow the above post with this one. It's actually kind of humorous.


Below: Air Raid drill in downtown Los Angeles 1943.


http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3...1943ebayhu.jpg
ebay



Below: The flip-side.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9...d1943ebay2.jpg
ebay


So instead of seeking shelter, everyone ran outside to see the air raid.
And some people even went up on the roofs. lol

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2010 10:57 PM

Do any of you know about a secret movie studio at the top of Laurel Canyon?

Until recently, I would have bet money that no such place existed.
(when I first moved to L.A., I briefly lived in N. Hollywood & drove through the canyon daily)





Below: Here's a small aerial photo.


http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2...tmtstudios.jpg
unclassified usaf




They produced films such as this. (note Lookout Mountain Laboratory)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1...mtlaborato.jpg
unclassified usaf





It's difficult to find very much information about this place.


You can read about it here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookout..._Force_Station



and here.
http://www.vce.com/LookoutMt.html



Now this is a place I'd love to sneak into.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1...mountainai.jpg

I wonder if it still pretty much looks like this?

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2010 11:35 PM

Perhaps workers at the Lookout Mountain Laboratory hung out here.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4...7sosmbhuge.jpg
mb


The name is a bit enigmatic don't you think.
I guess I'm trying to conjure up mysteries where they don't exist. ;)

gsjansen Apr 11, 2010 2:48 AM

another then and ......well maybe not now, but definately later.......
 
hill street and 1st looking north through the years

hill street and 1st looking north 1908

prior to the construction of the hill street tunnel which ran from just north of 1st street to temple avenue. court street is on top of the hill
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3385/...b7ee8b67_o.jpg

hill street and 1st looking north 1923

after the construction of the tunnel, the hollywood street car line using this tunnel allowed for the city to expand to the west
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3545/...8cc20a3e_o.jpg

hill street and 1st looking north 1955

hill at court street was completely leveled and graded to allow for the expansion of civic center. the last remaining portion of the hill can be seen on the far left of this photo. within the year, this last bit of hill would be gone
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3402/...9a00b5b4_o.jpg
LAPL

hill street and 1st looking north 1971

there is no inkling or indication that a hill with a steep grade ever existed here
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3633/...abc20c08_o.jpg
LAPL


Looking south at the intersection of hill street and temple

hill street and temple looking south 1908

hill street is a dirt road heading south up the hill. hill street connected temple and 1st via the steep hill prior to the construction of the street car tunnel. once the tunnel was opened, hill street running up the hill terminated at the court street cul-de-sac. connection between hill and temple would be provided through the tunnel
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/...fe04186a_o.jpg

hill street and temple looking south 1920


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/...2d88f153_o.jpg
LAPL

hill street and temple looking south 1945

this shot clearly shows the red line trolley stop, and the steps leading up hill street. The white house on the right is 215 n hill street, burt lancasters home in the 1948 movie criss cross
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3464/...269e6e9c_o.jpg
LAPL

hill street and temple looking south1971

nice corvair

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2425/...16c0dca1_o.jpg
LAPL

sopas ej Apr 11, 2010 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4789570)
In 1938, the WPA commissioned a study of downtown Los Angleles to help determine proper planning for the fast growing metropolis.

a full colored image of the model showing bunker hill. Centered on third street and hill street
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/...b7fc228b_b.jpg
LAPL

I saw this model at the LA County Natural History Museum back in 2000. I assume it still exists, though I don't know if it's still on display. I was very fascinated by it and remember thinking it would've been cool if they had a same scale model of modern-day Los Angeles displayed along with it so that you could compare the two.

ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2010 8:31 PM

^^^I love that Hill St. & Temple photo before the tunnel.



Below: South Main & 6th Street.


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9...fsmain6ths.jpg
usc digital archive




Below: Looking north on Spring from W. 5th Street.


http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4...orthonspri.jpg
usc digital archive







Below: Looking north on Main between 1st and 2nd streets.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9...northonsma.jpg
usc digital archive





Below: 1120 S. Main, the Santa Rita Hotel.


http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9...insantarit.jpg
usc digital archive

ethereal_reality Apr 11, 2010 9:01 PM

Below: Main & 12th Street. (note Santa Rita Hotel)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8...hstreethot.jpg
usc digital archive





Below: Looking north on Main between 4th & 5th streets.


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9...ookingnort.jpg
usc digital archive




Below: Main & 11th Street in 1939.


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7...11thstin19.jpg
usc digital archive

gsjansen Apr 11, 2010 9:57 PM

4th and HIll Street Looking West 1939
 
looking west on 4th street from hill street, the fremont hotel is visible at the sw corner of olive and 4th, and further up the street the zelda apartments is visible at the sw corner grand and 4th

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3357/...ff54219a_o.jpg
LAPL

both the Zelda and the Fremont will be destroyed in conjunction with the construction of the 4th street viaduct in 1954. If you visit the parking lot on the sw corner of Olive and 4th, which still exists today, exactly as it has since the Fremont was torn down in 1954, the original Fremont retaining walls are still intact running east west on 4th and north south on Olive. There was absolutely no reason at all for the Fremont to be demolished.........sigh

gsjansen Apr 11, 2010 10:08 PM

Pre-Noir Los Angeles
 
this 1868 shot looking south from poundcake hill is amazing. a completely barren bunker hill before Beaudry's development is on the right. Third street is the main street off in the distance running from right to left. Broadway is the street in the middle of the photo. Hill Street at the base of Bunker Hill is just a dirt path at best. In later years, this view would be looking right smack at the north elevation of the hall of records. this view today would be looking at the north side of the LA times building complex

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3645/...ca79e039_o.jpg

The street at the lower left side running left right, (court street?), is clearly at an offset angle to the eventual grid. This is the same angle that the old hall of records building will be built to...................................40 years after this photo was taken!!!!!

The North One Apr 11, 2010 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4789695)

So instead of seeking shelter, everyone ran outside to see the air raid.
And some people even went up on the roofs. lol

are you surprised? it just shows how stupid people can be.

sopas ej Apr 12, 2010 10:21 AM

Very cool photos, ethereal and gsjansen! That 1868 photo is very fascinating. And those other shots of downtown LA are also very cool-- so much material for my hobby of before and after photos, of which my facebook album is continuing to grow.

If anyone doesn't already know, the American Cinematheque in LA has been having its Film Noir Festival, which ends next weekend. I went tonight (Sunday night) and snapped this photo of the ceiling of the Egyptian Theatre in Hollywood; kind of a crappy photo, taken in dim lighting with my cell phone:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._7204258_n.jpg

Here's a 1925 photo of the ceiling from the LAPL:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater3/00015675.jpg

Of course back then, the theater was much more ornate. My understanding is that when the Egyptian was restored and reopened, they were only able to salvage a little of what was damaged of the interior over the years.

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An accident involving two cars, one motorcycle and the Los Angeles Transit Lines' car 1523 on March 10, 1946. This is at the intersection of Figueroa and Piedmont in the Highland Park neighborhood.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058505.jpg
LAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058504.jpg
LAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058503.jpg
LAPL

Here's the intersection again in 1946. Notice the Los Angeles Public Library branch in the left of the photo.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058501.jpg
LAPL

Here, the old streetcar tracks are being ripped up in 1958.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058502.jpg

Here's the same intersection on April 11, 2010. The old library building has since been replaced with a Craftsman-themed, larger library structure.
http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs451...._7362116_n.jpg
Photo taken by me.

gsjansen Apr 12, 2010 1:55 PM

Wow! great shots Sopas ej! I myself spent the weekend viewing my own little private noir festival. I had received my copy of the exiles on Friday....Great movie with some fabulous extras, particularly bunker hill 1956, and the last day of angels flight. I also watched, (much to my wife and kids annoyance), Acts of violence, M, the indestructible man, (alright, i actually fast forwarded through that one to the street scenes of the follies, and the entire angels flight scene, and the murder scene in the Bradbury building), criss cross, the turning point, (what cracks me up with this one, is that it's supposed to take place in a mid-western Indiana town:haha: ), the scar, and finished off last night with angels flight. I've seen kiss me deadly so many times, i chose to leave this one off the agenda this weekend. Has Marian Carr done anything other than Kiss me Deadly and The Indestructible Man?

here are some aerial photos taken over civic center showing how the street grid changed through the decades;

This 1924 aerial shows the street layout before the extension of spring street. The off angle layout of the hall of records makes sense with the original street grid around civic center
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2241/...858c7358_o.jpg
Cal State Library

In this 1938 aerial, New high (formerly Justica) street still kind of exists in this photo, even though it has been reduced to a half block angled road forming the triangle park between city hall and the hall of records
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/...23fdfdd0_o.jpg
LAPL

In this 1955 aerial, the re-gridding of the streets around civic center have been completed. The hall of records now takes on it's weird angle appearance due to the straightening of the streets around it
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/...dfe20c2d_o.jpg
LAPL

gsjansen Apr 12, 2010 2:01 PM

Some more Mini Noir
 
this shot shows the detail that went into the model particularly with regards to the grades of the terrain. this view shows the terrain of bunker hill. this angled view is from approximately 4th and hill
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/...d1753d89_b.jpg
USC Digital Archive

Bunker hill section of the model centered on Clay street between 3rd and 2nd
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/...0bd0fe42_o.jpg
USC Digital Archive

This view is looking north east from fremont and 6th street. (Fremont essentially no longer exists due to the freeway construction
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2285/...a9dc96e0_o.jpg
USC Digital Archive

Los Angeles Past Apr 12, 2010 2:10 PM

Great series on the evolution (or devolution) of Hill Street, gsjansen! Easily one of my very favorite postings in this thread.

To get a further appreciation of the extent of this huge change in the natural landscape, I'm reposting this image. In the foreground is the Hill Street portion of Bunker Hill that was completely leveled and of which no trace remains today.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...3a_3x2crop.jpg

This hill was apparently the highest point in the original city limits of Los Angeles. Court Flight – which for two score years ran up the steep dirt slope in the right foreground – used to be advertised as the "highest view" of Los Angeles. And I remember reading somewhere that the Bradbury Mansion (far upper right at Court and Hill) was built on the highest lot in all of Los Angeles at the time. To think that what was once the highest elevation in the city is now not even recognizable as a hill... that's quite a sobering realization...


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