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Downtownkid Mar 29, 2019 5:23 AM

1939
 
https://i.ibb.co/WtYyd42/Untitled-Panorama1.jpgOkay have not added and image for a long time. This photo was taken in 1939 That's my dad with his Plymouth car. The house behind the car was a home for WW1 vets and is located at 636 Gladys Ave located between 6th and 7th street about 10 blocks east of main St

Noir_Noir Mar 29, 2019 7:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8522804)
:previous: By George I think you found it Noir Noir! ....AMAZING. .:worship:


I'm not so sure. Might have jumped the gun.


https://i.imgur.com/HbdatyH.jpg


Nowadays on the corner I originally arrowed is this -

https://i.imgur.com/gb0xAna.jpg
Google Maps

https://i.imgur.com/bK9lvhS.jpg
GSV

A circular structure oddly incorporated into a building that is nowadays numbered 1155 N. Mission Rd. That circular part looks to be in precisely the same spot as the one in the 1938 aerial ... but the build date for the present day building is 1946. If that round part stood alone in 1938, it looks a little big and not right for the gasoline station structure?

:shrug:

CaliNative Mar 29, 2019 9:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6542369)
I found this slide last night on ebay. That's the 102 Brewery in the distance.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/841/l60g.jpg

The gas-o-meter looks quite imposing in this view.

Yeah, they used to store gas in those giant cylinders downtown. I remember seeing them in the 1960s when I was a kid. I guess they shifted the gas storage to the underground sites in the north San Fernando Valley, and I guess that didn't turn out so well. The wells leaked. Also remember Brew 102 brewery. When did that close? Not a great beer but it sure was cheap. Not bad with a sandwich. Hamm's Beer used to be common in the 1950s-60s too. Don't see it much anymore. Still remember the tune theys used on T.V.--"From the land of sky blue waters....Haaaaaams". Funny the way you remember the old ads and jingles. Also remember watching the wrestling matches & roller derby from the Olympic Auditorium on KTLA (or was it KCOP?) hosted by Dick Lane ("Whoa Nellie!"). The Destroyer. Gorgeous George. Mr. Moto. Freddie Blassie. Haystack Calhoun. Those were the days when I was a kid and L.A. City Hall ruled the skyline and there still was a Richfield Tower and a live Marilyn Monroe and a Pacific Ocean Park ("POP") and boys had crew cuts or flat tops and Sinatra and Elvis ruled the charts.

GaylordWilshire Mar 29, 2019 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downtownkid (Post 8522860)
https://i.ibb.co/WtYyd42/Untitled-Panorama1.jpgOkay have not added and image for a long time. This photo was taken in 1939 That's my dad with his Plymouth car. The house behind the car was a home for WW1 vets and is located at 636 Gladys Ave located between 6th and 7th street about 10 blocks east of main St


That's actually a '37 Ford-- the house is gone, of course, but it's an interesting coincidence (?) that its site is now part of a parking lot for the Veteran Co, an auto upholstery supplier.

https://i.postimg.cc/P5w3qXFd/gladys-bmp.jpg

Downtownkid Mar 29, 2019 5:15 PM

Thanks Gaylord. I thought it was a 37 Plymouth because of the humpback but you are right it's a 37 ford. I will have to correct my family history.

ethereal_reality Mar 29, 2019 6:10 PM

A group of absolutely amazing [1870s?] stereoviews appeared on Ebay last night.


It's probably due to my shitty poor memory, but I don't recall seeing the topiary entrance.
....................................................................................................................................................................................................I am posting them EXTRA-large so you can see all the details.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/62nLsX.png
Ebay




reverse
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/TMcm4K.jpg









This 2nd stereoview [of the Plaza] includes a fine view of Fort Moore hill.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/dpiBEe.jpg
Ebay

Everything is so.... perfect. The Plaza wes certainly civic Los Angeles' pride of place.



reverse
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/RJWWAJ.jpg

There are a total of seven stereoviews [being sold separately]
If I'm not mistaken we have seen a few of the others on NLA. (I might post them anyway..just in case I am wrong)


If we have seen these two stereoview before...pretend you haven't. ;)

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ethereal_reality Mar 29, 2019 8:24 PM

Yesterday, I posted this 1924 snapshot of the Tam-O-Shanter.


Someone posted this snapshot on the Tam-o-Shanter's YELP page.

Molly V. wrote: "I found this old pic of dad at Tam O'shanter!"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/4MLYTv.jpg
YELP

Does anyone know where this more modern version was located?

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GaylordWilshire Mar 29, 2019 11:05 PM

:previous:


Hmmm... this one is called "Tam O Shanter's"... the Chevelle's plate doesn't look like a Calif plate, not that that means the pic wasn't taken in Calif...are we sure this is a branch of "our" TOS?

ethereal_reality Mar 30, 2019 3:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

https://i.imgur.com/bK9lvhS.jpg
GSV

A circular structure oddly incorporated into a building that is nowadays numbered 1155 N. Mission Rd. That circular part looks to be in precisely the same spot as the one in the 1938 aerial ... but the build date for the present day building is 1946. If that round part stood alone in 1938, it looks a little big and not right for the gasoline station structure?

I still think you are correct Noir Noir. What are the odds of finding an unrelated round structure at the same address as the round Texaco Station. (right?)

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odinthor Mar 30, 2019 5:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8523489)
A group of absolutely amazing [1870s?] stereoviews appeared on Ebay last night.

[...]

This 2nd stereoview [of the Plaza] includes a fine view of Fort Moore hill.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/dpiBEe.jpg
Ebay

Everything is so.... perfect. The Plaza was certainly civic Los Angeles' pride of place.

[...]

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Wonderful images, e_r--thanks!

The structure up on Fort Hill looks to me to be the early state of the building when it was Jake Phillippi's place The Gardens, which was, I believe, a beer garden. According to my notes, he established this place in or about 1883, the location being referred to in The Illustrated History of Los Angeles County as on the corner of Buena Vista and Rock Sts., "but on account of ill health sold the place to Mrs. Banning" (Mr. Banning had been his employer once upon a time when Phillippi was a teamster, about 1863?; but I don't have a date as to when he "sold the place"). Phillippi died November 14, 1892.

odinthor Mar 30, 2019 6:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8519411)
[...]

Oscar Wilde did get to California on a tour--he made it to San Francisco--but I'm pretty sure the he never made it to LA, least not in the flesh. However...the Oscar Wilde Collection at the Clark Library is the largest in the world.

[...]

After San Francisco, Oscar made it as far south in California as . . . San Jose in early April, 1882, but then returned east shortly thereafter.

Then what about this cryptic item in the Times of June 25, 1882???, one might ask:

https://i.postimg.cc/436cLK6y/Oscar6-25-82.jpg
Los Angeles Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library


Another item on July 1, 1882, explains:

https://i.postimg.cc/MpkXC6KQ/Oscar7-1-82.jpg
Los Angeles Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library, latter portion of article lopped off æsthetically


https://i.postimg.cc/05FNSkSB/Oscar-Sunflower.jpg
pinterest

Beaudry Mar 30, 2019 6:54 AM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8524156)
Wonderful images, e_r--thanks!

The structure up on Fort Hill looks to me to be the early state of the building when it was Jake Phillippi's place The Gardens, which was, I believe, a beer garden. According to my notes, he established this place in or about 1883, the location being referred to in The Illustrated History of Los Angeles County as on the corner of Buena Vista and Rock Sts., "but on account of ill health sold the place to Mrs. Banning" (Mr. Banning had been his employer once upon a time when Phillippi was a teamster, about 1863?; but I don't have a date as to when he "sold the place"). Phillippi died November 14, 1892.

From the Herald it seems it was called the Buena Vista—July 14 1883:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7906/...3cd011e7_o.png

And it seems he sold it not to Banning, but to Carl Seidel, for here we are in May 1884:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7893/...986d88eb_o.png

Mary Hollister Banning purchased it from Seidel in 1887, lived there with daughters Misses Mary and Lucy. The 1900 census shows just Mary, 52, with Anna Pendergrast, her 26-yo servant from Ireland, and Soledad Fuentes, an 11-yo servant from Mexico. In 1910 she's still there, with her daughter Lucy Greenleaf and son-in-law Mace and three servants, two male, one female (1910 is also the year Lucy dumps Mace for the son of a prominent judge). Mary is last listed at the house in 1914, and it becomes apartments; in the 1920 census MHB is living in Pomona by her lonesome (her filling out the census being the last thing she ever did, apparently—she died in 1919).

odinthor Mar 30, 2019 4:05 PM

:previous:

Thanks, Beaudry! :tup: This place has always interested me.

CityBoyDoug Mar 31, 2019 3:45 AM

This is LA but I don't know where. Anyone know or can take a guess?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9098bda0...px5vo1_400.gif


Its from the film "Gun Crazy",,,,,

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2019 5:15 AM

Remember the Epworth League? (METHODIST ASSOCIATION)

The Question. 1915 decorated car

The Answer. Lorendoc / The Epworth League

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/wnhplv.jpg

I dug a little deeper, and arrived at a Social Justice website that has some fascinating photographs chronicling the birth of Goodwill.

Many of locations [of the PHOTOGRAPHS] are a bit vague, but a majority of them are in the vicinity of the Plaza and the nearby Methodist Mexican(?) Church.


I'll start with this mystery location.

"Three men stand next to a Goodwill Industries of Southern California truck, c. 1921"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/L06gdp.jpg
museumofsocialjustice


A good clue, obviously, is the 'El Camino Bell'

as well as... the haunted-looking house atop the hill.

THIS ONE.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/6qoM05.jpg
DETAIL

I should probably know.....but I don't.


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Beaudry Mar 31, 2019 5:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8524892)
This is LA but I don't know where. Anyone know or can take a guess?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9098bda0...px5vo1_400.gif


Its from the film "Gun Crazy",,,,,

That's 123 S Fig. It became LAPD traffic division HQ in 1942. I wrote a bit about 123 here.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7903/...0607c4e0_b.jpggetty

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7850/...3b4130f0_o.png

Gun Crazy was the first noir I ever saw. I was, what, seventeen maybe. I think it warped me in all the ways you'd expect it to. Explains a lot.

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2019 5:33 AM

OK, one more for tonight.


Mystery Adobe


Can anyone figure out...who lived in, [or] what business was located in the adobe building? (I don't know where to put my commas)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/O3dm4R.jpg
museumofsocialjustice

It's obviously in the process of being torn down. ( there is some writing on it, but I can't read it)



The adobe was eventually replaced by this...

"1917 Chapel Methodist Mexican"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/BmTxrq.jpg
museumofsocialjustice

"Two wooden portable buildings built in 1917 contained the Plaza Mexican Methodist Church and the Plaza Goodwill Store,
which offered medical, dental, employment, and general welfare services."


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Beaudry Mar 31, 2019 5:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8524932)
as well as... the haunted-looking house atop the hill.

THIS ONE.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/6qoM05.jpg
DETAIL

the Munsters?


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...we were straight-up just talkin' about this one! That's the Buena Vista AKA Mary Banning's pad.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7888/...9497ce88_o.pngdwp

It's looming down on J M Gallegos's place at 324 Sunset. In the map below, 324 is at bottom right. The Banning place is at 535 Broadway, upper left, above the "A" in Broadway.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/...637f2cee_o.pngbaist
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/L06gdp.jpg

Lorendoc Mar 31, 2019 6:23 AM

Never Give a Sucker an Even Break
 
Last weekend I saw W.C. Fields' last starring movie: Never Give a Sucker an Even Break (1941 - original story credited to our own Otis Criblecoblis). Towards the end of the movie, there is a 5 minute chase scene which has excellent exterior shots of the warehouse district downtown, Atwater Village, and the Cahuenga Pass. At least 3 Noirish LA posters have commented on this chase: 3940dxer and GaylordWilshire back on page 1417, and Scott Charles elsewhere.

Here's a link to a brief 2 minute, 40 second clip from the first portion of the chase, well worth watching:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VT...xYA0_LNIZi2Vtb

The most interesting to me are the downtown shots. And it is good I googled before putting effort into identifying each of them: last year, John Bengtson made a terrific and detailed blog post on these locations: In the comments section of Bengtson's blog, Scott Charles contributed a missing chase location ID.

The downtown venues were shot in the area bounded by E 6th, Alameda, E 7th, and the river:

https://i.imgur.com/tqN6LX0.jpg
Google Maps

Bengtson has some great "then and nows" - well worth seeing. Here's a "then" that he didn't include.

It fits between his location 16) and 17). Fields' car careens east down Produce Street past the Certain-Teed Products company warehouse and makes a quick jog south towards the California Warehouse building, then left to continue on the next east-west street which is Wholesale St. Here is the Sanborn map:

https://i.imgur.com/qrFi5VV.jpg
lapl.org

At 1:00 there is a scene of well-dressed citizens exiting south through an arcade from E 6th to Produce Street. They are immediately set upon by Fields' car and are forced to jump out of their shoes to get out of the way in time.

This is followed by a view of 2 confused motorcycle cops driving in circles outside an adjacent building with a sign "Beekeepers Supplies - Honey Beeswax."

https://i.imgur.com/6ravfgQ.jpg
Universal Pictures

I wondered if this were a real business or just something made up for the movie. I looked in the CDs and found that bee products actually were a thing, although the only business listed was several blocks away from where Bengtson placed these shots. But looking more closely at the Sanborn above, there is an "apiary supplies" building at 1300 Produce. Searching for that address yielded several entries for the Diamond Match Company, which does not appear to be insect-related at first sight.

This company, according to Wikipedia, continues to be the leading producer of matches (12B/yr) in the USA, and was controlled in the 1920s by Ivar Kreuger, the Swedish Match King - "a genius and swindler," the "Leonardo of larcenists," according to John Kenneth Galbraith. Kreuger operated Diamond Match as his personal Ponzi scheme until his (suspicious) death in 1932.

So what about these bees? Google provided the answer in an AP wire story from August 3, 2004:
CHICO, Calif. (AP) -- One of the original Diamond Match factory buildings in Chico has gone up in flames, apparently a victim of arson.
Firefighters found that doors and support timbers had been piled up near a staircase to feed the blaze that engulfed the building early Monday.
The 13,000-square-foot building constructed in 1905 was used to raise bees and to make honeycomb frames from wood left over from making match sticks. The bees helped pollinate the area's crops, and the company often purchased the resulting honey.
Operations at the plant ended in 1989, and the current owner of the 137-acre factory property had hoped to restore it and other original buildings to anchor a development to include single-family homes, townhouses, apartments, shops and restaurants.

CityBoyDoug Mar 31, 2019 8:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 8524940)
That's 123 S Fig. It became LAPD traffic division HQ in 1942. I wrote a bit about 123 .


Hey Beaudry.....thank you so much....you are in the know for sure.

Now I can relax. I will check out your link.


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