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ethereal_reality Mar 21, 2019 11:39 PM

Here's another label for tonight.


.............................................Hart's Bourbon Whiskey.........................................................

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/dkdJeL.jpg
californiahistorycollection

..such a beautiful design.

If I am not mistaken, there is a bar downtown that has a stag as a sign. (but I can't remember the name of the place) Surprise!

MattP in Aus Mar 22, 2019 1:04 AM

I am a long time lurker on this thread and have finally joined this forum just to post my gratitude to the many contributors of both photos and context around them. It truly is fascinating. :tup:

CaliNative Mar 22, 2019 6:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 8511323)
Most, if not all, of Cohen's businesses were fronts for his bookmaking operation, as was the paint store where his office was located. Even the Dincara Stock Farm in Burbank was a front, in this case for a casino. The La Brea Club had a crap game upstairs.

While Ben Siegel and Mickey Cohen were friends, there was no question who was the boss. The NY mob backed Siegel, and Cohen was the muscle that eliminated any competitors or threats to Siegel's Trans Continental Wire Service.

"On the other hand, there were a lot of jobs where it was necessary to use violence. For instance, when Benny was first getting set up in Los Angeles, he would command that somebody's head be busted, or more. And you did it because you're expected to without asking any questions...

Naturally I missed Benny. We were real close and he taught me many things. But to be honest with you, his getting knocked in was not a bad break for me. Pretty soon I was running everything out here. The people in the East called on me for all propositions - some of which I wish they had not found me home for."

Mickey Cohen: In My Own Words, Prentice-Hall, publisher

Is "Bugsy's" house still around? The city was corrupt back then (and maybe it still is ). Is it true Ben was trying to get into the movies? In the film they showed him doing screen tests. I read somewhere that Ben's role in "inventing" Las Vegas was exagerrated. Someone else actually had the idea for the Flamingo, and he just muscled in. But he did push the luxury resort idea, and spent what were then huge sums of his partner's $ finishing the Flamingo (and maybe raking off a few bucks for himself) that it sealed his fate. Vegas should erect a statue, or at least name a street after him, and one for his lady friend too. "Double Indemnity" is another great noir film I love, as is "Sunset Blvd". Another era.

Joe Gillis Mar 22, 2019 7:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8514391)
mystery steeple or old oil well?

Despite discussing Chutes Park numerous over the years, I am pretty sure we haven't seen this photograph of the chutes under construction.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/1Ywa2L.jpg
old file


The photograph that is most like this one [HERE] doesn't include the triangular wooden object in the left foreground. At first I thought it was the steeple of an old church, but now I am not so sure.



A closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Pb7D0j.jpg
detail

In certain places [lower half], it appears that you can see through it. :shrug: And a bent piece of metal [I-Beam] is leaning against the left side.

Whatever it is, it appears to be in pretty bad shape.
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p.s. I remember discussing a church in proximity to the park...but that was the nearby Fiesta Park. wrong park.




Previous posts.


Photographs of Chutes Park can be found HERE

An additional photograph posted by FW can be found HERE

"Bronco Pictures" from Agricultural Park can be found HERE

2,500 sailors dine at Chutes Park. [c.1908] HERE



I could be wrong here but is the triangular thing a fence and the darker half its shadow?

Martin Pal Mar 22, 2019 6:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8514797)
Is "Bugsy's" house still around?


Yes, Ben Siegel's house is still in Beverly Hills at 810 N. Linden Drive.

http://www.americarevisited.bravehost.com/bugsy.jpgAmerica Revisited

https://chensandchai.files.wordpress...-1-1.jpg?w=800Chen's&Chai

https://chensandchai.files.wordpress...g?w=1014&h=760Chen's&Chai

On IMDB they have 14 locations where the Bugsy film was shot, but they don't list this one. Wonder why? Does Beverly Hills try to discourage things like that? There are other reasons to visit Linden Drive as well.

The film was shot there, and so was Bugsy on June 20, 1947. But, also of interest, Howard Hughes had crashed his XF-11 prototype plane almost directly across the street at 803 and 805 Linden Dr. less than a year earlier on July 7, 1946.

Also, the famous Witch's House (Spadena House) is right around the corner at 516 Walden Drive.
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If one likes movies and you live in Los Angeles there are opportunities to see classic films in various venues and, if one is of the mind to, you can plan an outing before or after to visit a location where it was filmed. Some friends and I have done that for films such as both Bugsy and The Aviator, Double Indemnity, The Outside Man and Model Shop, among others.

CityBoyDoug Mar 22, 2019 9:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8515338)
Yes, Ben Siegel's house is still in Beverly Hills at 810 N. Linden Drive.

http://www.americarevisited.bravehost.com/bugsy.jpgAmerica Revisited

https://chensandchai.files.wordpress...-1-1.jpg?w=800Chen's&Chai

https://chensandchai.files.wordpress...g?w=1014&h=760Chen's&Chai

On IMDB they have 14 locations where the Bugsy film was shot, but they don't list this one. Wonder why? Does Beverly Hills try to discourage things like that? There are other reasons to visit Linden Drive as well.

The film was shot there, and so was Bugsy on June 20, 1947. But, also of interest, Howard Hughes had crashed his XF-11 prototype plane almost directly across the street at 803 and 805 Linden Dr. less than a year earlier on July 7, 1946.

Also, the famous Witch's House (Spadena House) is right around the corner at 516 Walden Drive.
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If one likes movies and you live in Los Angeles there are opportunities to see classic films in various venues and, if one is of the mind to, you can plan an outing before or after to visit a location where it was filmed. Some friends and I have done that for films such as both Bugsy and The Aviator, Double Indemnity, The Outside Man and Model Shop, among others.

https://weirdpicturearchive.com/wp-c...eath-photo.jpghttp://murderpedia.org/male.S/images...-siegel-68.jpg
google

Poor Bugsy was reading the newspaper.....whoa, when all of a sudden he became the news. The house is the Virginia Hill mansion.....btw, she was not at home that day.

Valentino Mar 22, 2019 10:45 PM

Is "Bugsy's" house still around? The city was corrupt back then (and maybe it still is ). Is it true Ben was trying to get into the movies? In the film they showed him doing screen tests. I read somewhere that Ben's role in "inventing" Las Vegas was exagerrated. Someone else actually had the idea for the Flamingo, and he just muscled in. But he did push the luxury resort idea, and spent what were then huge sums of his partner's $ finishing the Flamingo (and maybe raking off a few bucks for himself) that it sealed his fate. Vegas should erect a statue, or at least name a street after him, and one for his lady friend too. "Double Indemnity" is another great noir film I love, as is "Sunset Blvd". Another era.

Since Siegel palled around with the likes of Cary Grant, Frank Sinatra, and Jean Harlow, it would not have been difficult for him to arrange a screen test. You're correct about Siegel's role in "inventing" LV, as Billy Wilkerson had the vision for the hotel.http://bit.do/WILKERSON

In THE GODFATHER PART II, Moe Greene's character was inspired by mob-connected Gus Greenbaum and Moe Sedway.http://bit.do/GREENBAUM http://bit.do/SEDWAY

Siegal also had a home in Holmby hills, and there is an interesting story about his attempt to avoid arrest. http://bit.do/HOLMBY-HILLS-HOME

After Mickey Cohen's home in Brentwood was bombed, http://bit.do/COHEN-PHOTOS and he went to prison for a few years, he leased a home in Van Nuys, CA.
http://bit.do/COHEN-HOUSE A HS buddy lived just around the corner, and Amanda Blake http://bit.do/AMANDA-BLAKE lived two blocks the other way. (Nice lady, I never saw Cohen.)

A few facts about Siegel. http://bit.do/BUGSY-SIEGAL

ethereal_reality Mar 22, 2019 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattP in Aus (Post 8514558)
I am a long time lurker on this thread and have finally joined this forum just to post my gratitude to the many contributors of both photos and context around them. It truly is fascinating. :tup:

Thank you for the very kind message, MatP in Aus. We try our best. :)

BDiH Mar 22, 2019 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8515562)
https://weirdpicturearchive.com/wp-c...eath-photo.jpghttp://murderpedia.org/male.S/images...-siegel-68.jpg
google

Poor Bugsy was reading the newspaper.....whoa, when all of a sudden he became the news. The house is the Virginia Hill mansion.....btw, she was not at home that day.

But his good friend Al Smiley was sitting on the sofa next to Ben when the assassin opened fire. Al's daughter wrote a good book about her father, Cradle of Crime : A Daughter's Tribute by Luellen Smiley

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2019 3:17 AM

:previous:

Allen Smiley, producer turned gangster.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/auZXAa.jpg
buyitflauntitthrowit

I haven't heard of him before BDiH. (how'd I miss him?)

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2019 9:15 AM

'mystery' location. drugstore, Los Angeles [c.1890?]

I found these two cabinet cards in one of my older files. At first I wasn't sure if they were from Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/GP77q3.jpg

If you look closely, you can see that the name of the drug store is 'West End' Pharmacy.




Here, this should help.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/VAxqrL.jpg

:previous: See that sign beneath the upstairs window directly above the pharmacy.



This one.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/2IolQy.jpg

hmmm....McCoy?......maybe T. J. McCoy....possibly Dr. T. J. McCoy(?) .....

I wonder if he is the owner of the pharmacy. It would make sense.



two more details I'd like to point out.

Is this a hurdy gurdy man?
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/Fk66hp.jpg
...or is the box attached to the pole?



The 'ghost' in the center window.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/P73j8N.jpg






WAIT! THERE'S MORE.


Believe it or not, a 2nd cabinet card shows the interior of the pharmacy.

AMAZING!
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/FKGVHO.jpg

I wonder if one of these gentleman is T. J. McCoy? :shrug:



Why west end?... I pondered. hmmmm...an area.....a street?

Sure enough, there used to be a West End Avenue.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/gVggW8.jpg
lapl



but..there were other establishments named 'West End' that were not located on West End Ave.

for example.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/1Bjql5.jpg

and one on Temple
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/3xCrZQ.jpg



I located a T. J. McCoy in the Bryson Block
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/mWnNps.jpg

but the cabinet card could be older than 1894.


This might be T. J. McCoy's home address.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/XsdPPz.jpg


I am pretty sure I found a T. J. McCoy listed with 'pharm' after his name...but I must have misplaced it. :(

Now that I confused everyone....
.............................................does anyone have an idea where Dr. T. J. McCoy's West End Pharmacy was located?


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HossC Mar 23, 2019 10:41 AM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8515938)

I am pretty sure I found a T. J. McCoy listed with 'pharm' after his name...but I must have misplaced it. :(

Now that I confused everyone....
.............................................does anyone have an idea where Dr. T. J. McCoy's West End Pharmacy was located?

T. J. McCoy is listed as proprietor of the West End Pharmacy in the 1888 CD, with an address at "West Washington nr Hoover, W. L. A." The 1891 CD lists Thomas J McCoy as a physician and surgeon living at 1210 West Washington, but no mention of the pharmacy.

Noir_Noir Mar 23, 2019 3:35 PM

:previous:


https://i.imgur.com/CiZ1hIX.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 23 October 1889

Hollywood Graham Mar 23, 2019 8:02 PM

Post Office
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8516062)

The object on the post is a Mail Box, the side of the box has a lock on the shoot that the mail is removed by the postal clerk. I have seen similar boxes (rarely) on ebay that fit this image.

Martin Pal Mar 24, 2019 1:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6188613)
Tom Bergin's Old Horseshoe Tavern
840 So. Fairfax just south of Wilshire
http://imageshack.us/a/img33/5665/xd62.jpg

I found this postcard on Tuesday, and today I found out it is closing after 77 years!

http://blogs.laweekly.com/squidink/2...losing_fai.php
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Except for E_R's post about this place and a follow-up comment or two, this was the only mention of this place on NLA. It was posted July 5, 2013.

HOWEVER, I was just reading an article about this place that says: The City of L.A.'s Cultural Heritage Commission voted in favor of Tom Bergin's landmark nomination. The nomination next goes to the PLUM committee for a vote.

(PLUM is Planning and Land Use Management.)

It also stated: Operating continuously for 82 years (1936-2018), Tom Bergin’s was one of Los Angeles’ most iconic and longest‐lived bars. Located since 1949 in the distinctive Tudor Revival structure at 840 S. Fairfax Avenue, Tom Bergin’s was a notable legacy business that boasted the second‐oldest liquor license in Los Angeles.

So I did a little searching and found that it was slated to close in July, 2013, but then: longtime regular Derek Schreck, an actor with a handful of small movie roles, had dreamt of opening a bar. He bought the place and revamped the interiors and exteriors as well as the menu while trying to recapture the bar's original ambiance. In January 2014, Tom Bergin's reopened.

Then: Tom Bergin's Facebook page stated that it will be closing for "regular business" on Sunday, Jan. 21, 2018. Owner/proprietor, Derek Schreck said that Tom Bergin's will remain open on a limited schedule (Thursday-Saturday) until "all this beautiful booze gets sufficiently drank."

I guess it's now actually closed, but the building is awaiting landmark status.
https://www.discoverlosangeles.com/e...-of-an-la-icon


https://66.media.tumblr.com/96451916...t7pn7_1280.jpgL.A. Conservancy

ethereal_reality Mar 24, 2019 2:56 AM

Thanks for discovering the location of McCoy's West End Pharmacy, Hoss.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8516062)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality
I am pretty sure I came across a T. J. McCoy listed with 'pharm' after his name...but I must have misplaced it.

I FOUND IT -but it wasn't 'pharm' after McCoy's name. It was 'druggist'

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/3BSceu.jpg
lapl

What is really interesting about this listing..is that -it includes the name :previous:McCoy's Station. .. (it is mentioned in the last line of Noir Noir's newspaper clipping) shown above.

As far as I can tell, this is the only time McCoy's Station is mentioned in any of the directories.



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ethereal_reality Mar 24, 2019 4:21 AM

mystery location.

"Orig 1973 35mm slide - Los Angeles cityscape view, somewhere in the Westwood section." If I'm not mistaken, that's Century City in the distance.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7rIEOF.jpg
Ebay

I am not sure where, in Westwood, this slide was taken. (it is Westwood, right?)

At first, I was baffled by that cluster of pine trees in Century City. (they seemed impossibly tall)...but now I'm pretty sure it's a skyscraper under construction...............But which skyscraper? :shrug:

The [easily recognizable] Century Plaza Hotel is at far right. (but shouldn't it be far left ?) ........I'm discombobulated.



(p.s. the purple cloud is my crude attempt to cover up a watermark)

BillinGlendaleCA Mar 24, 2019 4:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8516522)
mystery location.

"Orig 1973 35mm slide - Los Angeles cityscape view, somewhere in the Westwood section." If I'm not mistaken, that's Century City in the distance.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7rIEOF.jpg
Ebay

I am not sure where, in Westwood, this slide was taken. (it is Westwood, right?)

At first, I was baffled by that cluster of pine trees in Century City. (they seemed impossibly tall)...but now I'm pretty sure it's a skyscraper under construction. (not pine trees) ha ha

But which skyscraper?:shrug:

Isn't that the Century Plaza Hotel at far right? (it seems..to me..it should be at the other end) ................I'm all discombobulated.



(p.s. the purple cloud is my crude attempt to cover up a watermark)

That's looking down Ashton Ave. in Westwood, one block south of Wilshire, roughly from Midvale and Ashton. My guess is the building project in Century City is the twin towers. I used to see the tall black building(the old Tishman building) outside my dorm window for two years.

Here's the current view:
https://i.postimg.cc/8z69jzPS/20190323-Westwood.jpgvia Google Street View

Flyingwedge Mar 24, 2019 6:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8514391)

Despite discussing Chutes Park numerous over the years, I am pretty sure we haven't seen this photograph of the chutes under construction.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/1Ywa2L.jpg
old file


Thanks for posting that image, e_r (UCLA has a copy). Your photo (looking west at the Chutes incline) is torn on the right side, and this photo
(looking NE across Main Street) is torn on the left side. I wonder if these 1901 photos of Chutes Park share a common missing middle section or
if they were taken at different times:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...ps1iqcifkn.jpg

UCLA/Islandora/LA Views Photograph Collection 99 ("Chutes Park, Los Angeles")

ethereal_reality Mar 24, 2019 2:01 PM

Fantastic discovery FW!

I bet the two torn segments are the left and right ends of a panorama. .....*maniacally searches for middle segment*
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Thanks for figuing out the location of the 1973 Westwood slide, BillinGlendale. You have eased my combobulation. ;)


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