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ethereal_reality Mar 15, 2019 7:53 PM

:previous: Yep, that looks like the same place Bill. Thanks!


As a reminder; here is the San Gabriel Mission in the early 1870s.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/luN5MA.jpg
homestead museum

It looks very 'bunker-ish'.

I see there is some sort of balcony with an wrought iron(?) railing. There may be steps going up to it.

Recognize any of those plants odinthor?

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Here's a second photograph taken around 1875.

The picket fence is gone....replaced by railroad tracks.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nSY9Cy.jpg
homestead museum

And a much more substantial fence has been built closer to the mission.
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A bit more information on the 2nd photo.

This is a later photo from Henry T. Payne and can be dated to about 1875 because of the presence of the newly laid tracks of the Southern Pacific Railroad, which made its way through the San Gabriel Valley in early 1874. As these tracks are currently being lowered in a major Alameda Corridor East project, archaeological work has discovered a great deal of material from the native peoples, mission period, and later. Note the improved fence at the front of the church at the right and the planter boxes used for recently planted pepper trees.

ethereal_reality Mar 15, 2019 8:37 PM

Speaking of 'bunker-ish'.


At first glance I thought this was a power substation.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/XvZ9pS.jpg
old file / found on EBAY

postmarked 1930
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search purposes: Maryknoll Los Angeles

ethereal_reality Mar 15, 2019 8:52 PM

Religious sects 'sermonizing' in Pershing Square, Los Angeles 1961.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/b6eGh5.jpg
EBAY






https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Dzifsm.jpg
EBAY






https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/YNaDPq.jpg
EBAY


.

ethereal_reality Mar 15, 2019 8:55 PM

Pershing Square, Los Angeles 1961. (normal people)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/gryJQw.jpg
Ebay

I'd really like to have that guy's blue shirt.



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ethereal_reality Mar 16, 2019 5:03 AM

mystery photograph.

"Los Angeles area, 1956"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/dFIw0G.jpg
old file / possibly from ebay

Bristolian Mar 16, 2019 5:27 AM

:previous:

I have no idea why this photo was taken but it's just perfect. I am quite sure that whoever took it had absolutely no idea that 60+years later, dozens of people would be remotely viewing it from the comfort of their own homes or on their portable devices.

BillinGlendaleCA Mar 16, 2019 7:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8507253)
:previous: Yep, that looks like the same place Bill. Thanks!


As a reminder; here is the San Gabriel Mission in the early 1870s.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/luN5MA.jpg
homestead museum

It looks very 'bunker-ish'.

I see there is some sort of balcony with an wrought iron(?) railing. There may be steps going up to it.

Recognize any of those plants odinthor?

__




Here's a second photograph taken around 1875.

The picket fence is gone....replaced by railroad tracks.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nSY9Cy.jpg
homestead museum

And a much more substantial fence has been built closer to the mission.
__



A bit more information on the 2nd photo.

This is a later photo from Henry T. Payne and can be dated to about 1875 because of the presence of the newly laid tracks of the Southern Pacific Railroad, which made its way through the San Gabriel Valley in early 1874. As these tracks are currently being lowered in a major Alameda Corridor East project, archaeological work has discovered a great deal of material from the native peoples, mission period, and later. Note the improved fence at the front of the church at the right and the planter boxes used for recently planted pepper trees.

Again, I've got a more contemporary view and you can see the pepper trees at the left, though it was taken with an infrared camera to give it that extra Noirishness*:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4911/...2dec9e92_b.jpg_9190002-Edit.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

*This appears to not be a word, but it should be.

Lomara Mar 16, 2019 7:40 AM

Great Wall Restaurant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8507808)
mystery photograph.

"Los Angeles area, 1956"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/dFIw0G.jpg
old file / possibly from ebay

I think I may have found the area of this one

The Great Wall Restaurant was pretty popular in its day. Take a peek at its menu. http://greatwallwc.blogspot.com/

This restaurant was at 232 Glendora Ave, West Covina, according to its menu

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7898/...fa7806f1_c.jpg
GreatWallMenu by Kimberly, on Flickr

The sign on the building sure looks like a match.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7872/...6c6dcee1_c.jpg
GreatWallBuilding by Kimberly, on Flickr

Sadly, the building burned down in 2013. Nothing is there now except for an empty lot full of weeds.

https://www.sgvtribune.com/2013/12/1...on-in-damages/

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7880/...ecdd04be_c.jpg
232 Glendora, West Covina by Kimberly, on Flickr

HossC Mar 16, 2019 1:30 PM

:previous:

The Great Wall Restaurant building got bigger over the years. Here's how it looked in 1965.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...atWall1965.jpg
greatwallwc.blogspot.com

It still looked pretty much the same in the 2007/2008 GSV images from across the street. After that, the lights and signage were stripped in the years before the fire. I also found the video below showing firefighters tackling the blaze.

Video Link

odinthor Mar 16, 2019 2:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8507253)
:previous: Yep, that looks like the same place Bill. Thanks!


As a reminder; here is the San Gabriel Mission in the early 1870s.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/luN5MA.jpg
homestead museum

It looks very 'bunker-ish'.

I see there is some sort of balcony with an wrought iron(?) railing. There may be steps going up to it.

Recognize any of those plants odinthor?

__




Here's a second photograph taken around 1875.

The picket fence is gone....replaced by railroad tracks.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nSY9Cy.jpg
homestead museum

And a much more substantial fence has been built closer to the mission.
__



A bit more information on the 2nd photo.

This is a later photo from Henry T. Payne and can be dated to about 1875 because of the presence of the newly laid tracks of the Southern Pacific Railroad, which made its way through the San Gabriel Valley in early 1874. As these tracks are currently being lowered in a major Alameda Corridor East project, archaeological work has discovered a great deal of material from the native peoples, mission period, and later. Note the improved fence at the front of the church at the right and the planter boxes used for recently planted pepper trees.

I'm afraid I can't quite make out what the plants are, e_r :shrug:; but in compensation, here's a rather unusual view of Mission San Gabriel:

https://i.postimg.cc/6QMc1qbc/San-Gab-Mis.jpg
postcard, odinthor collection; also at "A Visit to Old Los Angeles, Episode 20" http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal16.html

And here's the staircase:

https://i.postimg.cc/85FRKH6k/San-Gab-Mis2.jpg
same source as above

If I'm not mistaken, originally for a short time there was a belltower at the front end of the mission church which was taken down either because of an earthquake or because they thought it would come down in an earthquake; and so they built the familiar wall of bells adjoining the southwest corner of the church instead. (It's worth noting that Mission San Juan Capistrano, when its big church with its belltower came down in the earthquake, also built a wall of bells rather than a new belltower.) I find two things particularly interesting about Mission San Gabriel: Early on, the "main" side of the church seems to have been considered to be the long south wall (with the staircase) rather than what is normally considered the "important" side of a church or any building, the front end (probably because the main road went along that side; the precinct for the Indian huts was also there on the south side of the church); and I have a notion that the architect of the "new" (present) L.A. Plaza church had the church of Mission San Gabriel at least vaguely in mind when he planned it . . . making the fact that the Plaza church seems never to have had a big door on its south wall (as the chruch at San Gabriel has) all the more interesting (a fact which comes into play in discussions about where the original cemetery was; "on the north side of the church" say I . . . just as with Mission San Gabriel . . . ). But I digress.

Martin Pal Mar 16, 2019 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lomara (Post 8507854)

Interesting street lamps...which can also be viewed in the video of the Great Wall fire provided by HossC.

Martin Pal Mar 16, 2019 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8507350)
Pershing Square, Los Angeles 1960. (normal people)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/gryJQw.jpg
Ebay

I'd really like to have that guy's blue shirt.
.
___________________________________________________________________


Wonder what he's staring at?

BillinGlendaleCA Mar 16, 2019 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8507954)
I'm afraid I can't quite make out what the plants are, e_r :shrug:; but in compensation, here's a rather unusual view of Mission San Gabriel:


If I'm not mistaken, originally for a short time there was a belltower at the front end of the mission church which was taken down either because of an earthquake or because they thought it would come down in an earthquake; and so they built the familiar wall of bells adjoining the southwest corner of the church instead. (It's worth noting that Mission San Juan Capistrano, when its big church with its belltower came down in the earthquake, also built a wall of bells rather than a new belltower.) I find two things particularly interesting about Mission San Gabriel: Early on, the "main" side of the church seems to have been considered to be the long south wall (with the staircase) rather than what is normally considered the "important" side of a church or any building, the front end (probably because the main road went along that side; the precinct for the Indian huts was also there on the south side of the church); and I have a notion that the architect of the "new" (present) L.A. Plaza church had the church of Mission San Gabriel at least vaguely in mind when he planned it . . . making the fact that the Plaza church seems never to have had a big door on its south wall (as the chruch at San Gabriel has) all the more interesting (a fact which comes into play in discussions about where the original cemetery was; "on the north side of the church" say I . . . just as with Mission San Gabriel . . . ). But I digress.

You are correct, there was a bell tower at Mission San Gabriel, and I think you're also correct that it was removed after the collapse of the Great Stone Church at San Juan Capistrano. Here's the ruins of the bell tower at Mission San Gabriel:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4885/...a9b6eda4_b.jpg_9190050.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

The staircase on the outside of the south side of the chapel leads to what looks to be now used as a broadcast booth and/or organ. Here's a pic that looks to the back of the chapel:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4863/...e8ce388d_b.jpg_9190010.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

The Mission cemetery is in the courtyard north of the chapel and this is also true at Mission San Fernando(the Garden of Hope(you'll never guess who's buried there) is just outside of the north door of the chapel there).

LA Kitty Kat Mar 16, 2019 9:45 PM

Bob Hope?

BillinGlendaleCA Mar 16, 2019 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LA Kitty Kat (Post 8508301)
Bob Hope?

So much for "You'd never guess who's buried there...". The Garden of Hope is Bob Hope's family plot.

Photos, of course....

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4851/...1b934c80_b.jpg_4170083.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4882/...baf374f7_b.jpg_4170079.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

LA Kitty Kat Mar 16, 2019 10:04 PM

Lucky guess

CityBoyDoug Mar 16, 2019 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8507253)
:previous: Yep, that looks like the same place Bill. Thanks!


As a reminder; here is the San Gabriel Mission in the early 1870s.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/luN5MA.jpg
homestead museum

It looks very 'bunker-ish'.

I see there is some sort of balcony with an wrought iron(?) railing. There may be steps going up to it.

Recognize any of those plants odinthor?

__




Here's a second photograph taken around 1875.

The picket fence is gone....replaced by railroad tracks.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nSY9Cy.jpg
homestead museum

And a much more substantial fence has been built closer to the mission.
__



A bit more information on the 2nd photo.

This is a later photo from Henry T. Payne and can be dated to about 1875 because of the presence of the newly laid tracks of the Southern Pacific Railroad, which made its way through the San Gabriel Valley in early 1874. As these tracks are currently being lowered in a major Alameda Corridor East project, archaeological work has discovered a great deal of material from the native peoples, mission period, and later. Note the improved fence at the front of the church at the right and the planter boxes used for recently planted pepper trees.

Those steps lead up to the choir loft [the steps probably were an access the old bell tower]. I've climbed up the bell tower area at the other end. The tour guide use to scare kids and ring the large bell...its very loud when you're 12 inches from it as I was.:D:D:D

BillinGlendaleCA Mar 17, 2019 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8508271)
You are correct, there was a bell tower at Mission San Gabriel, and I think you're also correct that it was removed after the collapse of the Great Stone Church at San Juan Capistrano.

Since we were talking about San Juan Capistrano...Here's the ruins of the Great Stone Church:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/...082138cf_b.jpg_C020017.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

and here's Serra Chapel built in 1776(or there abouts) and considered the oldest European structure in California:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4869/...a2f46147_b.jpg_C020110.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA, on Flickr

odinthor Mar 17, 2019 1:43 AM

:previous:

Wonderful! Thanks, BillinGlendaleCA!

I go photo-wild when I'm at Mission SJC. If y'all will forgive me for overdoing it as usual, let's take a walk through the mission grounds (all are odinthor collection):

https://i.postimg.cc/0QjYXJQf/SJC572.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/mkcSkFWD/SJC573.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ydGFMY3z/SJC574.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/gj6vmF3L/SJC575.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sgt1CQwm/SJC576.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/j2PYN2zx/SJC577.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/YCpBGpj7/SJC578.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/q7zYygTP/SJC579.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/2yfXswZY/SJC581.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XqcD4CfC/SJC583.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/VLmV4KwB/SJC586.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/W1fYNjkX/SanJC1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/dQmW7GC7/SanJC2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/j2mCqDRR/SanJC4.jpg

Mstimc Mar 17, 2019 3:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8508432)
:previous:

Wonderful! Thanks, BillinGlendaleCA!

I go photo-wild when I'm at Mission SJC. If y'all will forgive me for overdoing it as usual, let's take a walk through the mission grounds (all are odinthor collection):

After we retire, my wife and I want to do the California mission drive. We've seen a bunch but not all from south to north.


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