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SkyscrapersOfNewYork May 12, 2010 2:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 4835607)
Which is why you see initiatives like the Hudson Yards rezoning. It's where the next major expansion of commercial space in Midtown will take place. And it has NOTHING to do with height. Skyscrapers are built for practical reasons, and as you should know, it's only practical to build commercial office space up to a certain height. New York is not some "new on the scene" city that needs to build a supertall for the sake of attracting attenion and saying "look at me, I'm a big city too...".

NYguy your rlly missing my point...once the hudson yards is completed Manhattan will be OUT of new developable space so all im implying is that they should build big here to accommodate for Manhattans future. if theres no more space we cant build, and if we cant build to meet the needs of a new era Manhattans role will slowly die out,one of Manhattans greatest advantages is the fact that it always had been able to produce new spaces for buissness and living but we cant continue that tradition without new places to build so why not build big on Manhattans last chance on new undeveloped land so we can continue to provide spaces for new yorkers and the world to work and live.

Dac150 May 12, 2010 2:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4835653)
NYguy your rlly missing my point....

He actually nailed the point right on the head. Not trying to gang up on you, but your perception is way out of context. I understand your ‘thought process’ on the matter, but it’s not realistic to the actual circumstance. New York will continue to develop and redevelop in order to meet demand, expectation and growth projections. Redevelopment and Manhattan go hand and hand. It’s the nature of the city.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork May 12, 2010 3:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dac150 (Post 4835675)
He actually nailed the point right on the head. Not trying to gang up on you, but your perception is way out of context. I understand your ‘thought process’ on the matter, but it’s not realistic to the actual circumstance. New York will continue to develop and redevelop in order to meet demand, expectation and growth projections. Redevelopment and Manhattan go hand and hand. It’s the nature of the city.

im talking about development without having to redevelop,without needing to tear down time and time again,if there was a time to develop and a chance for NY to finally build larger then the ESB this would be the time.if we've forgotten Nimbys hate it when we tear down anything so rather than doing that we should just build watever we need here and make good use of the space that we have to work with and build large office and residential towers that wil attract new blood to NY.in due time the market will recover and ppl will need new places to invest in NY so why not make them invest in the Hudson yards.its not like NYC doesnt grow in the space it needs. as more ppl move in the more space we will need. this project could either meet the space needs of the next 10 yrs or the next 50 all depending on how much space it has.

Dac150 May 12, 2010 3:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4835690)
im talking about development without having to redevelop

Not the nature of this city and history will tell you that. That’s why the preservation commission was created, to preserve valuable structures and prevent causalities such as Penn Station from occurring again. As I said, in some form or another, the city will find a way to accommodate growth without elimination of what’s worth preserving.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork May 12, 2010 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dac150 (Post 4835703)
Not the nature of this city and history will tell you that. That’s why the preservation commission was created, to preserve valuable structures and prevent causalities such as Penn Station from occurring again. As I said, in some form or another, the city will find a way to accommodate growth without elimination of what’s worth preserving.

like they do a good job of that,if it was up to them they wouldnt destroy any block of cement placed before 1990.i like the way the city used to think,planning for the future like it did when it allowed buildings like 40 wall st,the ESB and Chrysler to be built. but like i said Manhattan cant magically grow so sooner or later the only place to go is up. population will increase and so will the workforce that will flow in from the city,the country and the world. we will need that space esspecially when the city wont alow places like Soho and Greenwich to be redeveloped.

JACKinBeantown May 12, 2010 1:44 PM

There seems to be plenty of space to build residentials in Jersey City, and the PATH train provides easy and quick transportation into Manhattan.

NYguy May 12, 2010 3:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4835653)
NYguy your rlly missing my point...once the hudson yards is completed Manhattan will be OUT of new developable space

No, I see your point completely. Using your logic, we should build as high as the moon. Not only is it impractical, it doesn't make sense logically, because we are afterall talking about commercial space. Who exactly do you think is going to lease office space on the 200th floor? The bottom line is you're showing a level of naivity about the nature of office space development. It just doesn't make good sense (practically or financially) to build towers that high, or you would see them everywhere.

BStyles May 12, 2010 4:12 PM

In other words, Shanghai and Dubai. I love the cities and their architecture, but unfortunately they're not built to human scale.

Since we don't rhyme with neither of these cities I see no point in following them.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork May 12, 2010 4:38 PM

i understand the prascticality of companies leasing large office space, though all im saying is that space wise Manhattan is running out of space so its seems like time to build larger for companies to move in.im not asking for towers that are 2000 ft and up im talking about 1000-1400.even if the towers are residential or commercial at least the city will have a place that will allow for the cities continued growth without redevelopment. besides the site already seems ready to build supertalls (Girasole,Sherwood Equities Towers,World Product Center etc.)

i never said we should be like Dubai or Shanghai...im talking about building for space that will be needed for future jobs and living spaces.

NYguy May 13, 2010 3:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4836309)
i never said we should be like Dubai or Shanghai...im talking about building for space that will be needed for future jobs and living spaces.

And that's exactly what the Hudson Yards initiative is for Manhattan, the rezoning of Long Island City and Downtown Brooklyn are other examples. You have your head a hundred years into the future, but who's to say today's practice of corporations in office buildings will even be the same? In other words, your obsession over building taller is pointless. Nobody builds offices towers higher than the WTC anymore.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork May 13, 2010 3:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 4837322)
And that's exactly what the Hudson Yards initiative is for Manhattan, the rezoning of Long Island City and Downtown Brooklyn are other examples. You have your head a hundred years into the future, but who's to say today's practice of corporations in office buildings will even be the same? In other words, your obsession over building taller is pointless. Nobody builds offices towers higher than the WTC anymore.

its not about building big its about building for something we need...if we need 500 ft tall towers here id accept that...if we need 10000 ft towers here id accept that too...i was just saying (for the 10th time) if Manhattans out of space large space will be need on its last frontier...(without redeveloping any part of Manhattan)

NYguy May 13, 2010 3:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4837344)
its not about building big its about building for something we need...

We don't "need" anything. There's about 30 msf of office space currently waiting to be built. Most of it won't be built anytime soon. As I and others have tried to explain it to you, and you seemingly can't or won't understand, that's about as much space in this thread as we can waste on it. You'll just have to sit back and wait the decades to come to see what get's built and when.

NYguy May 26, 2010 1:18 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

Pension Fund Bets Big on Hudson Yards

By NICK TIMIRAOS
May 26, 2010

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The developer of an ambitious $15 billion development planned for the Hudson Yards on the west side of Manhattan has secured a Canadian pension fund as an equity partner in a sign of investors' renewed interest in New York City property.

Separately, the site's developer, Related Cos., on Wednesday will enter into a contract to lease the 26-acre rail yards from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, putting a $21.7 million payment into escrow.

The fund, the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System, will provide up to $475 million in equity and replaces Goldman Sachs Group Inc. as Related's lead partner. Goldman, which owns a minority stake in Related and retains an interest in the project, delivered a setback when it unexpectedly limited its investment in January.

Oxford Properties Group, the pension fund's $18 billion real-estate arm, has turned its eye in recent months on U.S. expansion, particularly the Northeast. "This project is one of the best opportunities in America, in one of the last remaining great real-estate parcels" in Manhattan, said E.M. Blake Hutcheson, Oxford's chief executive, in an interview.

The deal with Oxford marks the latest sign that foreign investors are keen on New York. Last month, S.L. Green Realty Corp. sold a $576 million stake in the McGraw-Hill building on Sixth Avenue to Toronto-based Canada Pension Plan Investment Board.

The deal comes two years after Related, after a competition, agreed to a $1 billion deal for a 99-year lease that secured the rights to build 12 million square feet of office, apartment, hotel, and retail space over working rail yards.

Over the past year, Related has received zoning approvals and begun plans to build the deck that must cover the rail yards before construction can move ahead. But the economic downturn had delayed the signing of a formal contract for the project.

With equity in hand, Related and Oxford can turn to raising funds from other partners and signing up tenants for the commercial space. Under an "ideal case" scenario, Related said it would secure a tenant by the end of the year. Building construction would start 18 months later with 2015 as the earliest move-in date for corporate tenants. The total development of the site could take 10 years.

A decade ago, Related shepherded the Time Warner Center development, also on former MTA property, in the face of an uncertain economic environment and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Jay Cross, who oversees the project for Related, said he was increasingly optimistic that they would sign a tenant this year. "Even though tenants are making due with less space in the new paradigm, they still want state-of-the-art space," he said. "If you're a big tenant, you don't have that many opportunities" in the current Manhattan market.

The signature redevelopment project has long been a priority of Mayor Michael Bloomberg. The city is on-time and on-budget in its extension of the No. 7 subway line to 34th Street and Tenth Avenue, near the northeast end of Hudson Yards.

Under a revised deal with the MTA, Related doesn't have to close on the lease until building construction begins or certain economic triggers are reached. Mr. Cross said the partnership with Oxford and "hearing and seeing" signs of improvement in property markets "would suggest to us we will be under way before the triggers are hit."

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jun 1, 2010 1:09 AM

i saw a render in the post today...it was kinda..blehhh

Busy Bee Jun 1, 2010 1:41 AM

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010...d--300x300.jpg
nypost

RobertWalpole Jun 1, 2010 1:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4860715)
i saw a render in the post today...it was kinda..blehhh

I don't believe that those are actual renderings of what will be built.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jun 1, 2010 1:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 4860769)
I don't believe that those are actual renderings of what will be built.

where do they get them,there horrible!!!

RobertWalpole Jun 1, 2010 2:18 AM

It's my understanding that they're simply "place holders" like the buildings that were shown in Liebeskind's original site plan for the WTC -- not the actual structures that will be built.

NYguy Jun 1, 2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 4860769)
I don't believe that those are actual renderings of what will be built.

No, we are probably years away from seeing anything that will actually get built.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jun 6, 2010 3:07 AM

my friends who works at the yards told me there closing the site down next week and all workers will have to move elsewhere

canadate Jul 3, 2010 3:34 AM

Anybody? Site prep??
http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/DSCF5256.jpg

Dac150 Jul 3, 2010 2:21 PM

It’s a breath of fresh air but still a far cry from substantial development. This project has a ways to go, but it’s nice to see some heavy machinery in the area.

canadate Jul 3, 2010 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dac150 (Post 4899373)
It’s a breath of fresh air but still a far cry from substantial development. This project has a ways to go, but it’s nice to see some heavy machinery in the area.

True, but hopefully things will be worked out in the near future. I can't wait to see buildings rise in this area!

Dac150 Jul 3, 2010 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by canadate (Post 4899458)
True, but hopefully things will be worked out in the near future.

Honestly I’d rather see this development coincide with a commercial boom, regardless of how long it takes. At that point is where you will see the site plan maximized to its full potential. I don’t anticipate a commercial boom being that many years off.

NYguy Jul 3, 2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by canadate (Post 4899100)

Looks like one of the sites cleared for one of the Hudson Yards towers. The railyards development that many people are commenting on won't begin for a couple of years (the platform) with tower development to follow that.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 5, 2010 4:09 AM

more shots from last week


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/...c7a43391_b.jpg

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Dac150 Jul 5, 2010 2:19 PM

Definitely something to keep an eye on.

J. Will Jul 5, 2010 2:31 PM

Is the top of this platform going to level with the surrounding streets, or is this going to be a (physically separated) "development on a podium"?

BStyles Jul 5, 2010 6:10 PM

I doubt it. Unless they're doing a traffic-friendly superblock, the most it will be is at street level.

NYC4Life Jul 5, 2010 9:25 PM

That is a huge lot and will certainly serve a big purpose. Interesting to see what could possibly commence here now that machinery are at work.

J. Will Jul 5, 2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BStyles (Post 4901047)
I doubt it. Unless they're doing a traffic-friendly superblock, the most it will be is at street level.

I wasn't asking for speculation or guesses. I can do that on my own.

Dac150 Jul 5, 2010 10:30 PM

Judging from the renders and past information, the development will be in alignment with street level. As the development progresses and more information is released (including accurate and specific renders) we’ll get a better idea on how it will be integrated.

NYguy Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Will (Post 4900843)
Is the top of this platform going to level with the surrounding streets, or is this going to be a (physically separated) "development on a podium"?

Depends where you look. On the west and southern sides, the platform will be above street level. In fact, it will be higher than the high line itself, which is one of the issues that came up with preserving that portion of the High Line. The city plans to bring the northern side to grade with the platform.

BTW, those photos above are of the Extell site, once proposed as the World Product Center, and one of the so called "four corners" towers.

NYguy Jul 16, 2010 1:22 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/ar...l?ref=nyregion

West Side Project Wins Grant for Urban Design

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...DSON-popup.jpg

A design for a new cultural building planned for the West Side of Manhattan on 30th Street between 11th and 12th Avenues.

By KATE TAYLOR
July 15, 2010

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The National Endowment for the Arts on Thursday announced $3 million in grants to city governments and other organizations around the country for urban design projects, including $100,000 for advanced work on a cultural building planned as part of the redevelopment of the railyards on the West Side of Manhattan.

The idea for the building, which has been little noted in the New York cultural world until now, envisions a new breed of cultural site — a kind of combination museum and rental exhibition space, which would be self-supporting.

The building, called Culture Shed, was conceived and is being designed by Diller Scofidio & Renfro, in partnership with the Rockwell Group, for the Hudson Yards Development Corporation, a city entity. It would cover a footprint of 22,000 square feet on 30th Street between 11th and 12th Avenues, bordering the High Line to the south and a plaza to the north. The design calls for a five-story building with two translucent sheds that fit over it like trestle tables and can roll out into the plaza to temporarily create an exhibition hall of more than 55,000 square feet.

According to someone involved with the project who was not authorized to describe it and spoke only on the condition of anonymity, the building would be primarily, but not exclusively, for visual art. It would not be affiliated with any one cultural institution but would instead function like a time share, with different institutions as partners. (The Tate Modern, in London, has been mentioned.) So far, several institutions in the United States and Europe have expressed interest in being involved, the person said.

The 26-acre railyards site is being developed by the Related Companies. Joanna Rose, a spokeswoman for Related, said the timing of the start of construction on the railyards site depends on securing the anchor tenants, but could be as early as 2012.

Wendy Leventer, senior vice president for planning and design at Hudson Yards Development, said, “We think the design team has come up with an idea that really has tremendous potential.” said The grants will also support 20 other projects around the country, including the creation of an arts and culture campus on part of a former Bethlehem Steel plant in Bethlehem, Pa., and the development of a building with affordable housing for artists in downtown Los Angeles.

Busy Bee Jul 16, 2010 2:34 PM

^That looks killer. Reeaallyy hope it happens.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 22, 2010 4:25 AM

any new renders of the shed? i need to see more before i pass judgement

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 22, 2010 4:34 AM

took these from inside the yards about a month ago.

http://images5b.snapfish.com/2323232...37934%3Bnu0mrj

http://images5b.snapfish.com/2323232...73934%3Bnu0mrj

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SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 23, 2010 2:29 AM

awesome!!!!!!

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Tunneling for 7 train extension finished

By Philip Newman
Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
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Mayor Michael Bloomberg and MTA Chairman Jay Walder extol the work progress on the No. 7 subway line extension on Manhattan's far West Side. The occasion was the completion of tunneling below the Port Authority Bus Terminal last Thursday. Photo By: Philip Newman
Amid thunderous grinding and clouds of dust, a huge boring machine crashed through a wall of rock to complete the final tunneling for an extension of the No. 7 subway, the way to work for thousands of Queens commuters.

Both Metropolitan Transportation Authority Chairman Jay Walder and Mayor Michael Bloomberg were elated — the mayor because it was a goal of his administration and Walder because it makes possible expansion at a time of economic hardship when the city is footing the bill.

Both officials spoke at a news conference at the Port Authority Bus Terminal last Thursday.

New York City will pay the $2.1 billion bill for the extension past Times Square to 11th Avenue and 34th Street.

“For decades, people have talked about the Hudson Yards on Manhattan’s far West Side as a potential opportunity to provide a new office space, housing, parks and jobs adjacent to the world’s premier business district,” Bloomberg said. “But nothing ever happened. We’re acting to make sure that it does.”

He added, “This is one project that is on-time and on-budget.”

Walder told people assembled in corner of the Port Authority bus terminal that “this marks the final leg of the second of two, 1,000-ton tunnel boring machines that have mined more than a combined 9,300 feet to reach this point. It’s a major milestone for a project that has been emblematic of the strong partnership between agencies to complete a project that will increase capacity within our transit system and help redevelop a vital part of our city that will spur future growth.”

The extension of the No. 7 line is scheduled to be completed in December 2013.

The West Side Yards is the largest, undeveloped single area left in Manhattan and was designed to accommodate a giant platform above railroad tracks, which is used for storage of Long Island Rail Road train cars.

The area is projected to be home to 12 million square feet of commercial and residential development, including 5,000 affordable and market-rate residences in nine residential buildings, three corporate headquarters sites, a retail complex including a department store, a 300-room convention hotel, cultural facilities and a new 750-seat public school as well as 12 acres of public open space. The plan for the project was devised by the Hudson Yards Development Corp., a city agency, with contributions from a variety of architectural firms for various aspects of the proposed construction.

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Madison Square Garden briefly considered moving to the area and the area was once suggested as a site for a West Side stadium for the New York Jets.

Originally, the No. 7 extension plan included a station at 10th Avenue and 41st Street that was abandoned as too expensive, but the idea has again emerged as possible.

“We did not have the money originally,” Bloomberg said. “Now we want to restore the 41st Street station so everybody should call or otherwise make themselves heard to their legislators. Tell them we need the money.”

Reach contributing writer Philip Newman by e-mail at timesledgernews@cnglocal.com or phone at 718-260-4536.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 23, 2010 11:10 PM

so Girasole can begin construction right?

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 25, 2010 12:41 AM

found this today

http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/...le121207_1.jpg

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1680&bih=818

NYC4Life Jul 26, 2010 8:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4920974)
took these from inside the yards about a month ago.

How did you get access to the yards, as well as the WTC site from your other set of photos from the 1WTC thread?

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Jul 26, 2010 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NYC4Life (Post 4925124)
How did you get access to the yards, as well as the WTC site from your other set of photos from the 1WTC thread?

well i have a friend who works for the LIRR in the yards and that day we were at Penn station and he had forgotten his phone there so we took a ride over and he let me look around. as for my recent trade center pics i never was inside it just looks that way since i was right in between the deutsche bank building and the world center hotel.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Aug 1, 2010 3:06 AM

guys seriously we gotta cver this better...drilling was going on yesterday...and whats looks like to be foundation work...

extell site
http://images5a.snapfish.com/2323232...3B634%3Bnu0mrj

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the site on 37th st to 38th and 10th ave....the Javits hotel i think

http://images5b.snapfish.com/2323232...3B234%3Bnu0mrj

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scalziand Aug 1, 2010 7:56 AM

Nice pics. Since that excavation is round, I wonder if it has something to do with the 7 extension.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Aug 1, 2010 9:00 PM

i think the 7 line completion has sparked this

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Aug 3, 2010 6:24 PM

though can someone explain the drilling?

NYC4Life Aug 5, 2010 6:24 PM

Looks like the Chicago Spire site. There is something going on here for sure, but it could just be work related to the 7 line extension.

NYguy Aug 7, 2010 6:18 AM

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Originally Posted by scalziand (Post 4932093)
Nice pics. Since that excavation is round, I wonder if it has something to do with the 7 extension.

That's exactly what it is. There was a show on Discovery, when I return home, I'll look it up. Anyway, it's the key that will get these towers moving on the west side. Great pics...:tup:

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Aug 7, 2010 6:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 4938684)
That's exactly what it is. There was a show on Discovery, when I return home, I'll look it up. Anyway, it's the key that will get these towers moving on the west side. Great pics...:tup:

thank God for that! and thanks NYguy ill post some more tomorrow,by the way come home quick im starting to miss you :)

NYguy Aug 7, 2010 6:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4938686)
thank God for that! and thanks NYguy ill post some more tomorrow,by the way come home quick im starting to miss you :)

LOL, well Im back in a couple of days.


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