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GaylordWilshire Feb 3, 2021 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 9178550)
Here's 1815 West Adams as of this afternoon, 2 February 2021.

https://i.postimg.cc/pdydpWmq/wad1815nowsmaller-bmp.jpg


This is great HS--thank you so much. The history of the house will soon to be added to https://adamsboulevardlosangeles.blogspot.com/

CityBoyDoug Feb 3, 2021 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9178160)
In doing the Hilldale to Clark posts the last week, I ended up with some other things that came to my attention while doing it and so here's some other odds and ends:


The NBC Radio City building at Sunset & Vine was demolished in 1964. Before the Home Savings and Loan building that replaced it was built, the area was a huge vacant lot. A few 1965 views of the location from Ed Ruscha:


https://i1.wp.com/www.curbsideclassi...12/1965-83.jpg

This was my bank from 1972-76. It had several large mosaics in the lobby.
During this time I was in college on the GI Bill which kept me in food and rent money.

https://www.laconservancy.org/sites/...?itok=m76YaHy2
Chase bank

Its now a CHASE bank and a tribute to Hollywood history. Read more about it here: https://www.laconservancy.org/locations/chase-bank-1

Martin Pal Feb 3, 2021 6:23 PM

:previous:

I'd still rather they hadn't torn down NBC, CBD. At least the building on the corner.

CityBoyDoug Feb 3, 2021 8:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9179434)
:previous:

I'd still rather they hadn't torn down NBC, CBD. At least the building on the corner.

I kind of agree, Martin.

But the corner property was worth a fortune and the day of live radio was dead.

ethereal_reality Feb 4, 2021 4:11 AM

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mystery vantage point.

Here's a slide, currently on eBay, that I am sure most of us would like to have. :)




SUBJECT: "A shot from Bunker Hill in Los Angeles, CA. In the scene are the Richfield Oil Building, Statler Hilton Hotel and the Tishman Building."

DATE: August, 1964

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/DZZDyt.jpg
eBay

This is certainly a great view. By 1964 most of Bunker Hill was gone. It makes me wonder where (exactly) the photographer was standing.

It's nicely floral wherever it was. (are those roses, odinthor?)

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ethereal_reality Feb 4, 2021 4:52 AM

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This might be fun. Three mystery locations.

The following three slides are originally from the Los Angeles Planning Department.

No location or date is given.







#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pVQ2Pv.jpg
eBay











#2

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yudNjq.jpg
eBay










#3

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/dNLEht.jpg
eBay





There is also a fourth slide but it's fairly. .umm. .suburban. (and kinda boring) Go HERE





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odinthor Feb 4, 2021 4:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9180228)
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mystery vantage point.

Here's a slide, currently on eBay, that I am sure most of us would like to have. :)




SUBJECT: "A shot from Bunker Hill in Los Angeles, CA. In the scene are the Richfield Oil Building, Statler Hilton Hotel and the Tishman Building."

DATE: August, 1964

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/DZZDyt.jpg
eBay

This is certainly a great view. By 1964 most of Bunker Hill was gone. It makes me wonder where (exactly) the photographer was standing.

It's nicely floral wherever it was. (are those roses, odinthor?)

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Hmmmmm, e_r . . . They look like old-style Fish Geraniums--really really old-style, the lanky primitive "Geranium red" kind, before they developed other colors. These are pretty healthy, and so must get watered sufficiently. I've seen whole hillsides of these around Avalon, surely escapees from the local gardens of the Aughts, Teens, and 1920s; but these "gone wild" ones are unwatered and much leaner.

CaliNative Feb 4, 2021 5:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9180228)
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mystery vantage point.

Here's a slide, currently on eBay, that I am sure most of us would like to have. :)




SUBJECT: "A shot from Bunker Hill in Los Angeles, CA. In the scene are the Richfield Oil Building, Statler Hilton Hotel and the Tishman Building."

DATE: August, 1964

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/DZZDyt.jpg
eBay

This is certainly a great view. By 1964 most of Bunker Hill was gone. It makes me wonder where (exactly) the photographer was standing.

It's nicely floral wherever it was. (are those roses, odinthor?)

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^^^
The view seems to be a street or two east of Flower (and north of 4th), maybe along Hope or Grand, judging from the position of the Richfield & Tishman buildings which were both between Flower & Fig. So, my guess would be the pic was taken near where the Wells Fargo Center now stands. Less likely near the Bank of America tower location or California Plaza area. Wells Fargo "hill" my best guess. Nice view of the building that almost everybody misses, the Richfield.

As odinthor says, fuzzy leaf ("fish"?) geraniums that have gone "feral" or wild do pretty well in L.A. without being watered. The 15 inches of rainfall is just enough to keep them going. They come from and are adapted to a similar dry summer mediterranean climate area in So. Africa with just a bit more winter rain. Of course during drier than normal years they do struggle and should be watered. Geraniums (pelargoniums) with smooth leaves (Martha Washington and "ivy" geraniums) have a harder time surviving our dry summers without being watered, derived from ancestors that lived in more humid areas. The "fuzzy" leaved kinds like the ones in the picture are more tolerant of our dry summers.

The large bush on the left might be a euphorbia or stick "cactus". These are the kind that bleed white sap when you break off the stems. The variety that are orange are called fire stick plants.

Lorendoc Feb 4, 2021 6:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9180257)
[SIZE="1"].[/SIZE? e mystery locations.

The following three slides are originally from the Los Angeles Planning Department.

No location or date

Number two is looking southeast above 5th Street and San Julian.

CaliNative Feb 4, 2021 6:49 AM

How much of the Charlie Chaplin "English Village" studio buildings near Sunset & La Brea survive? I recall that Jim Henson's operations took over some of the buildings. Is the statue of Kermit as Chaplin still there? How many of the original "village" buildings remain? Were the original United Artists operations that Chaplin formed with Doug Fairbanks & Mary Pickford housed there? Lot of questions. Any good pictures of the "village" as it exists today and as it looked when Chaplin was around? Thanks

HossC Feb 4, 2021 2:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9180257)

This might be fun. Three mystery locations.

The following three slides are originally from the Los Angeles Planning Department.

No location or date is given.

#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pVQ2Pv.jpg
eBay

This one is looking east from the intersection of the Harbor and Santa Monica Freeways. The two buildings in the lower left corner are still standing, but pretty much everything else up to Figueroa has been replaced by the Los Angeles Convention Center. I posted about the saving of the turreted building near the middle in post #18664 back in 2014.

ethereal_reality Feb 4, 2021 11:16 PM

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Thanks Hoss.

The turreted building is the one that caught my eye so it was great to revisit your 2014 post.


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ethereal_reality Feb 4, 2021 11:48 PM

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#2

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/yudNjq.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 9180316)
Number two is looking southeast above 5th Street and San Julian.

Thanks Lorendoc. I was stumped by this aerial.




Let's take a closer look. Three of the buildings are still in place.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/hL41Vy.jpg
detail


As you can see below the parking lot with the multi colored cars is now a park.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/NmOpQc.jpg
google_aerial



I was under the impression the bldg. with the green sign (in the vintage aerial) was the Ross Hotel. It's actually the Russ Hotel.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/sPOH21.jpg


I was pleased to see the vintage blade sign is still intact. :)




Russ is spelled out at the top of the sign.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/hV7nXE.jpg

And SRO is at the bottom. "Single Room Occupancy"





If you look closely (and, perhaps, squint) the reddish blade sign is visible in the vintage aerial.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/d3dheK.jpg

See it?


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ethereal_reality Feb 5, 2021 12:59 AM

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Once more. . .

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/7AJ4jA.jpg
eBay

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9180260)
Hmmmmm, e_r . . . They look like old-style Fish Geraniums--really really old-style, the lanky primitive "Geranium red" kind, before they developed other colors. These are pretty healthy, and so must get watered sufficiently. I've seen whole hillsides of these around Avalon, surely escapees from the local gardens of the Aughts, Teens, and 1920s; but these "gone wild" ones are unwatered and much leaner.

Thanks for answering my question, odinthor. I appreciate it.



I've never heard of Fish Geraniums so I thought I'd look them up.

Fish Geraniums:

"Not too many people seem to ask for this classic plant anymore, which was customarily grown in clay pots."

The mention of pots backs your claim that the plants are "escapees" from the gardens of the old Bunker Hill mansions. I think that's really cool.

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Beaudry Feb 5, 2021 7:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9180228)
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mystery vantage point.

Here's a slide, currently on eBay, that I am sure most of us would like to have. :)

SUBJECT: "A shot from Bunker Hill in Los Angeles, CA. In the scene are the Richfield Oil Building, Statler Hilton Hotel and the Tishman Building."

DATE: August, 1964

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/DZZDyt.jpg
eBay

This is certainly a great view. By 1964 most of Bunker Hill was gone. It makes me wonder where (exactly) the photographer was standing.

It's nicely floral wherever it was. (are those roses, odinthor?)

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That is a nice shot. You can bet I've got a bid in on it!

So remember that 1955 aerial from the blimp?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...24df1f6d_b.jpgusc

The white structure center is in our slide, and note a corner of the Richfield at very upper left.

Here's a close up—

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a83004b8_b.jpg

That white apartment house is the Briggs (Frank H. Peters, 1907), known as the Barbara Worth after 1926, at 407 South Hope St.

My theory is this was taken in front of the former 343 S Bunker Hill. It was demolished in the summer of '62 and the slide was shot in '64. The red flowers may be the same? A zoom-in at the pic makes me think they're hibiscus though.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5c76ff88_b.jpghuntington

Look close and you'll see that behind the trees the skyscrapers line up the same.

ethereal_reality Feb 5, 2021 2:31 PM

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:previous: That is fantastic....There's odinthor's Fish Geraniums.


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Martin Pal Feb 5, 2021 6:04 PM

:oops:
see next post

Martin Pal Feb 5, 2021 6:35 PM

:previous:


That seller on eBay (with the Bunker Hill shot of the RIchfield bldg.) has several other interesting slides available shot on Bunker Hill.

One is a very similar look as the photo below of the Minnewaska Dome Hotel, but the slide (LINK) from 1964 is labeled "right after the fire." Was there a story behind the fire in this hotel at that time? A google search says the fire was on July 25, 1964. In the eBay photo: behind the palm tree you see the corner of the new Dorothy Chandler Pavilion nearing completion.

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161...df32a57f_o.gifflickr

Lorendoc Feb 5, 2021 8:07 PM

Mystery location #3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9180257)
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This might be fun. Three mystery locations.

The following three slides are originally from the Los Angeles Planning Department.

No location or date is given.


#3

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/dNLEht.jpg
eBay


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Ok, this one was driving me slightly bonkers until I realized e_r's photo was flipped horizontally.

https://i.imgur.com/mZcsgrq.jpg
Google Earth Pro

When unflipped, it's looking south near 6th and Towne.

Beaudry Feb 5, 2021 8:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9181854)
:previous:


That seller on eBay (with the Bynker Hill shot of the RIchfield bldg.) has several other interesting slides available shot on Bunker Hill.

One is a very similar look as the photo below of the Minnewaska Dome Hotel, but the slide (LINK) from 1964 is labeled "right after the fire." Was there a story behind the fire in this hotel at that time? A google search says the fire was on July 25, 1964. In the eBay photo: behind the palm tree you see the corner of the new Dorothy Chandler Pavilion nearing completion.

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161...df32a57f_o.gifflickr

There's not that much of a story apart from it was likely set off by a cigarette smoldering in a lobby sofa or somesuch. It killed three. There has long been speculation that the fire was set to punish/scare off Frank Babcock, Dome owner, who had put the City through the wringer with multiple lawsuits concerning the legality of redevelopment. But that's just speculation.

(Shameless plug alert) I cover all this, with some rare photos of the Dome on fire, as part of my three-page spread on Hill conflagrations in my recently published Bunker Noir!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0bc505f7_h.jpg

ethereal_reality Feb 5, 2021 11:39 PM

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Here's the slide of Minnewaska on eBay with the Chandler Pavilion in the distance.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/jjND4W.jpg
eBay







Lorendoc thanks for figuring out the location of Slide #3. It never occurred to me to flip the slide. :doh:

santamonicadesign Feb 7, 2021 4:28 AM

Earl Carroll's
 
Found this album at a garage sale in the desert today... looks like a reissue from the '70's but it appears the signed message is authentic. I googled Manny Strand and can't find anything about him except he was originally from Sweden and played 2,000 dates at Earl Carroll's. The music is very well done, typical big band fare. Anyone heard of him?http://solidgoldman.com/MannyStrand.jpg

ethereal_reality Feb 7, 2021 6:30 PM

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The following snapshots are from a photo album that was on eBay a month or so ago.


Wille's Tin Shop, 441 Alamitos Avenue, Long Beach CA


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/VncHEv.jpg
ebay


As you'll see (below) the Alamitos address varies. . . and includes 431, 435 and 437.




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/qgTKm3.jpg
eBay











https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/DgsmJq.jpg
eBay


(note the plate-glass windows in the first two photographs)









Here we have the Willes posing next to their delivery truck.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5FcmxM.jpg
eBay

I surmise they're in front of the tin shop on Alamitos.








We even get a look at the roof top!


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/KlGNHs.jpg
eBay

I see that one of my hardware stores is next door.








Here's the most intriguing photograph of the bunch.

It shows two men posing with huge sun rays made of tin.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/i9gIfY.jpg
eBay

I wonder if these marvelous rays adorned a building in Long Beach or even perhaps Los Angeles. (?)







And, finally, we get to see the exterior of the new building that I assume is the 441 address.

I present Wille's Tin Shop!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nrGUF0.jpg
eBay


BUt wait, there's more!





Could this be the same building?

435 - 437 Alamitos
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SyUF8N.jpg
GSV

It's definitely similar but I wasn't 100% sure until I got a closer look at the building.


Above each of the 1st floor windows there is a small rectangle with a name Wille's.


Take a look.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/c93S2S.jpg
detail

I imagine the Wille's name is cut-out of, do I dare say, tin. ...(or wrought iron)








hmm. . . .but the blade sign inextricably says 'The Liberty'.. . .*scratches head*


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/OeT4Rw.jpg
detail.




As for the different street numbers:

I imagine the other addresses (of the tin shop) are the smaller buildings to the left of the main building.


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Martin Pal Feb 7, 2021 9:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by santamonicadesign (Post 9183298)
Found this album at a garage sale in the desert today... looks like a reissue from the '70's but it appears the signed message is authentic. I googled Manny Strand and can't find anything about him except he was originally from Sweden and played 2,000 dates at Earl Carroll's. The music is very well done, typical big band fare. Anyone heard of him?
_________________________________________________________________


If I heard the name before I don't remember. I guess his orchestra was the primary Earl Carroll's music. A blurb in an October, 1944 edition of Billboard Magazine says, "Strand's ork has been at Earl Carroll's since 1938." And Dec. 1938 to October 1944 would probably equal 2000 dates.

The entire blurb reads: Strand for Breneman Show | Hollywood, Oct. 21.-- Band for the new Tom Breneman Highlights has been picked, and Manny Strand and ork, who furnish the music for Earl Carroll's nitery, have been given the nod. New show tees off October 20 over the Blue, and features, in addition to Breneman and band, vocalist Jimmy Nolan. Strand's ork has been at Earl Carroll's since 1938.

--Does "Blue" refer to a radio network? --Did this mean Manny's "ork" was then not with Earl Carroll's after that?

On WorldCat's library search, a couple libraries that have this item include this information about the album:

The record company releasing the album was based in Reseda, California.

Dance orchestra music, in part with vocals.
Biographical notes on container.

Performer(s): Manny Strand and his orchestra (Bill DePew, George Hill, alto saxes ; Jack Chaney, Ham Cunningham, tenor saxes ; Mannie Klein, Frank Griffand, Dave Klein, trumpets ; Bill Lower, trombone ; Stanley Bridges, piano ; Mannie Stein, bass ; Ward Archer, drums ; Stanley Spiegelman, violin) ; Manny Strand, Lennie Conn, Harry Stone, arrangers.

Event notes: Recorded from radio broadcasts, Contains previously released material.

Earl Boebert Feb 7, 2021 9:45 PM

The Blue network was part of NBC until its forced divestiture in 1942, continued under that name for a couple of years and then became ABC in 1945.

Cheers,

Earl

odinthor Feb 7, 2021 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by santamonicadesign (Post 9183298)
Found this album at a garage sale in the desert today... looks like a reissue from the '70's but it appears the signed message is authentic. I googled Manny Strand and can't find anything about him except he was originally from Sweden and played 2,000 dates at Earl Carroll's. The music is very well done, typical big band fare. Anyone heard of him?http://solidgoldman.com/MannyStrand.jpg



Manny Strand was pianist with the well-known trad jazz band Red Nichols and his orchestra around 1934-1937:

https://i.postimg.cc/V6CwYPdc/Manny1...Brian-Rust.jpg
From Jazz and Ragtime Records 1897-1942 L-Z, by Brian Rust and Malcolm Shaw, 2002.

Glancing over various references, I see that he then came to be with Earl Carroll's on piano and arranging music; and at length became its bandleader, sometimes taking on other quick gigs (I saw one reference to his leading the CBS orchestra).

Life at home for him had occasional challenges:

https://i.postimg.cc/Kvm6WMrb/Manny-LAT-50-11-1.jpg
LA Times, 11/1/1950

After Carroll's, it seems he made his base in Palm Springs for a few years, first with a duo:

https://i.postimg.cc/FKk8Sgmy/Manny-LAT-65-10-15.jpg
LA Times, 10/15/1965

. . . then as a trio:

https://i.postimg.cc/x854Q6y2/Manny-LAT-68-12-1.jpg
LA Times, 12/1/1968

It appears that his brother Joe had his own career in music with a group called the Texas Rangers:

https://i.postimg.cc/9QKNcRTr/Manny-...vin-Coffey.jpg
From The Texas Rangers: Two Decades on Radio, Film, Television, and Stage, by Ryan Ellett and Kevin Coffey, 2014

odinthor Feb 7, 2021 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9183759)
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The following snapshots are from a photo album that was on eBay a month or so ago.


Wille's Tin Shop, 441 Alamitos Avenue, Long Beach CA


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/VncHEv.jpg
ebay


As you'll see (below) the Alamitos address varies. . . and includes 431, 435 and 437.




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/qgTKm3.jpg
eBay











https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/DgsmJq.jpg
eBay


(note the plate-glass windows in the first two photographs)









Here we have the Willes posing next to their delivery truck.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5FcmxM.jpg
eBay

I surmise they're in front of the tin shop on Alamitos.








We even get a look at the roof top!


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/KlGNHs.jpg
eBay

I see that one of my hardware stores is next door.








Here's the most intriguing photograph of the bunch.

It shows two men posing with huge sun rays made of tin.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/i9gIfY.jpg
eBay

I wonder if these marvelous rays adorned a building in Long Beach or even perhaps Los Angeles. (?)







And, finally, we get to see the exterior of the new building that I assume is the 441 address.

I present Wille's Tin Shop!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nrGUF0.jpg
eBay


BUt wait, there's more!





Could this be the same building?

435 - 437 Alamitos
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SyUF8N.jpg
GSV

It's definitely similar but I wasn't 100% sure until I got a closer look at the building.


Above each of the 1st floor windows there is a small rectangle with a name Wille's.


Take a look.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/c93S2S.jpg
detail

I imagine the Wille's name is cut-out of, do I dare say, tin. ...(or wrought iron)








hmm. . . .but the blade sign inextricably says 'The Liberty'.. . .*scratches head*


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/OeT4Rw.jpg
detail.




As for the different street numbers:

I imagine the other addresses (of the tin shop) are the smaller buildings to the left of the main building.


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e_r, this is in my longtime neck of the woods, and I recall as a young 'un seeing Wille's Tin Shop from the car as my father would drive past; and for some reason I found it mysterious and interesting for there to be such a thing as a tin shop. I'd ponder, "Does someone walk in, come up to the counter, and say, 'Good morning, I'd like a cup of tin, please'?"

Even though it's spelled "Wille's," everyone since forever has called it as if it were spelled "Willie's." My brother knew someone who had a friend who worked there at the real tin shop (not the distillery mentioned below); but I never had the opportunity to learn anything further about it.

Currently, a distillery at another location (but nevertheless in Long Beach) is named after it:

https://www.presstelegram.com/2019/1...st-distillery/

:cheers:

santamonicadesign Feb 8, 2021 5:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9183929)
Manny Strand was pianist with the well-known trad jazz band Red Nichols and his orchestra around 1934-1937:

https://i.postimg.cc/V6CwYPdc/Manny1...Brian-Rust.jpg
From Jazz and Ragtime Records 1897-1942 L-Z, by Brian Rust and Malcolm Shaw, 2002.

Glancing over various references, I see that he then came to be with Earl Carroll's on piano and arranging music; and at length became its bandleader, sometimes taking on other quick gigs (I saw one reference to his leading the CBS orchestra).

Life at home for him had occasional challenges:

https://i.postimg.cc/Kvm6WMrb/Manny-LAT-50-11-1.jpg
LA Times, 11/1/1950

After Carroll's, it seems he made his base in Palm Springs for a few years, first with a duo:

https://i.postimg.cc/FKk8Sgmy/Manny-LAT-65-10-15.jpg
LA Times, 10/15/1965

. . . then as a trio:

https://i.postimg.cc/x854Q6y2/Manny-LAT-68-12-1.jpg
LA Times, 12/1/1968

It appears that his brother Joe had his own career in music with a group called the Texas Rangers:

https://i.postimg.cc/9QKNcRTr/Manny-...vin-Coffey.jpg
From The Texas Rangers: Two Decades on Radio, Film, Television, and Stage, by Ryan Ellett and Kevin Coffey, 2014

Wow - amazing info! Thanks!

CityBoyDoug Feb 8, 2021 6:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9183759)
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The following snapshots are from a photo album that was on eBay a month or so ago.


Wille's Tin Shop, 441 Alamitos Avenue, Long Beach CA


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/VncHEv.jpg
ebay


As you'll see (below) the Alamitos address varies. . . and includes 431, 435 and 437.




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/qgTKm3.jpg
eBay


Oh boy, did this tin shop bring back memories. When I lived in Long Beach in the late 1970s I had old Willie make some special overhead lamps for me. I gave him the drawings and he bent and curved them into the right shape of a cylinder with a lid. He made two for me. He was very skilled. He gave me a strange look before he accepted the job. I guess he figured I was rather young to know what I was doing. Each one was about $25 and he had them finished in two days. I wish I still had them but that was long ago.

Yes, ER, that building with the blue stripes is the old tin shop. Back in the day it was painted one color, light beige. All it contained were the tools and rolls of tin....nothing fancy about the place.

ODINTHOR.....They could make just about anything out of tin. In the photo above, I have stood in that shop several times....its a mess for sure.

Martin Pal Feb 8, 2021 7:12 PM

Thanks for answering my "Blue" question, Earl B. and for further info on Manny Strand and his brother, Odinthor ...as remembered by "Gomer Cool." Now that's a name!

Here is the Real Gomer, the Man Who Inspired the Name ''Gomer Pyle''
Golly! There really was a famous man named Gomer Cool.
https://www.Me-TV.com/stories/here-is-the-real-gomer-inspiration

Who knew?...:shrug:

ethereal_reality Feb 9, 2021 5:15 PM

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Interesting memories about the Wille's Tin Shop odinthor and CBD. I would have liked to have seen your made-to-order lamps, CityBoyDoug.

I was hoping by now someone might have a clue about the sun rays.

The photograph below is slightly different than the photograph I posted the other day.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/fis0CT.jpg
eBay

There are many places the sun rays might have been made for. . .a power company. . .an electrical substation. . .an an art deco hotel entrance or lobby
. . .a movie palace. . .a bank lobby. . .etc.


When I first saw the rays I thought of the long lost Wise Building because it reminds me of the old Edison Building that used to stand in downtown Los Angeles)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/hIqfWs.jpg

You can read about the Wise Building's demise Here


What lies beneath.

Fun fact: "The original structure of the Wise Building was so sound that it was “skinned down to its columns, beams, and slabs” with its new exterior added on, according to a December 8, 1963 article—
technically meaning the entire building wasn’t “demolished."....Long Beach Post

:previous: I didn't know this!



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BillinGlendaleCA Feb 10, 2021 1:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9185581)
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When I first saw the rays I thought of the long lost Wise Building because it reminds me of the old Edison Building that used to stand in downtown Los Angeles)


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Eh, the Edison building is still in downtown Los Angeles.

Here's pic of the lobby from 4 years ago:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...TRM7TL9-XL.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA

GaylordWilshire Feb 10, 2021 3:00 PM

Sometimes I think we might have found all LA Noir, but of course it's a bottomless pit. In researching a house that was built at 1500 West Adams in 1902 and burned in 1932 (and replaced with a gas station), I came across Mrs. Harriet Canfield. Could she have succeeded in 1932 where she failed in 1915? Has anyone come aross the case of the Canfield Apartments before? (PS--Per the July 1955 issue of Confidential, "gospel minister" Alexander Smither, who built 1500 West Adams, was the officiant at Clark Gable's marriage to Josephine Dillon on December 13, 1924.)


https://i.postimg.cc/mkpbTCJ3/canfield1nla-bmp.jpg
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ovens Feb 10, 2021 7:48 PM

Does anyone have any cool or notable historical photos of skid row over the years?

I did a search of 'skid row' in here but it came up null. Thank you in advance, you guys are always the best. - a noirish lurker

ethereal_reality Feb 10, 2021 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 9186251)

Eh, the Edison building is still in downtown Los Angeles.

Thanks for the correction, Bill.

I momentarily confused it with the Sunkist Building which was also located on Fifth Street. (a block west of the Edison Building, as shown below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/c57VxM.jpg
LAPL

"Looking northeast across Fifth Street from Central Library towards the Sunkist Building, Engstrum Apartments and the Edison Building, July 10, 1939."








The Sunkist Building was demolished in 1972.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/0bezoC.jpg
huntington

:hell:


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Earl Boebert Feb 10, 2021 11:45 PM

More on the Canfield saga, summarized because I don't have time to enhance and upload the actual clippings:

9 Nov 1915: Details of police investigation. Gasoline bombs placed at all avenues of escape, holes chopped in floors and ceilings, oil at the bottom of elevator shaft so first explosion would wreck it and prevent escape; front and back stairways soaked with oil and gasoline bombs near windows leading to escape. [She did all this alone and without waking anybody?]

13 Nov 1915: Doctors decide she doesn't need to be moved from county jail; "regained her mental and physical poise."

19 Nov 1915: Stay in trial granted until 7 Dec. Le Compte Davis has undertaken defense because she is "the widow of a high Mason."

26 Nov 1915: Suit involving cancellation of her lease on the property settled; property reverts to F.O.Jean and will be known as the Jean Hotel. [There are two properties mentions in these accounts, 804 and 836 S. Flower. I can't figure out if they are the same or not.]

7 Sep 1916: Canfield claims Jean defrauded her by having his lawyer trick her into signing a mortage on the furniture in the apartment house.

16 Jul 1918: Canfield testifies in trial about fraud; claims she was taken from county jail and registered under a false name in a downtown hotel by Jean's lawyer, where she was tricked into signing papers.

17 Jul 1918: A report on the fraud trial notes she was acquitted on the attempted arson charges by reason of insanity.

And that's it until the account of the 1932 fire.

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Feb 10, 2021 11:59 PM

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Here's a restaurant that we haven't seen, or discussed, on NLA.



"ARCARO RESTAURANT 4658 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood 29, Calif."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/vcuL7R.jpg
eBay

If memory serves me, "Eddie" Arcaro was a horse jockey.


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CityBoyDoug Feb 11, 2021 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9185581)
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Interesting memories about the Wille's Tin Shop odinthor and CBD. I would have liked to have seen your made-to-order lamps, CityBoyDoug.

Thanks ER. My Wlli's lights were very simple. Each one was a 8" X 24" cylinder with an end piece/ lamp socket inside. Not even painted, with a square hook at the top. Nothing much to see. I did the wiring.:tup:

GaylordWilshire Feb 11, 2021 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 9187374)
More on the Canfield saga, summarized because I don't have time to enhance and upload the actual clippings:

9 Nov 1915: Details of police investigation. Gasoline bombs placed at all avenues of escape, holes chopped in floors and ceilings, oil at the bottom of elevator shaft so first explosion would wreck it and prevent escape; front and back stairways soaked with oil and gasoline bombs near windows leading to escape. [She did all this alone and without waking anybody?]

13 Nov 1915: Doctors decide she doesn't need to be moved from county jail; "regained her mental and physical poise."

19 Nov 1915: Stay in trial granted until 7 Dec. Le Compte Davis has undertaken defense because she is "the widow of a high Mason."

26 Nov 1915: Suit involving cancellation of her lease on the property settled; property reverts to F.O.Jean and will be known as the Jean Hotel. [There are two properties mentions in these accounts, 804 and 836 S. Flower. I can't figure out if they are the same or not.]

7 Sep 1916: Canfield claims Jean defrauded her by having his lawyer trick her into signing a mortage on the furniture in the apartment house.

16 Jul 1918: Canfield testifies in trial about fraud; claims she was taken from county jail and registered under a false name in a downtown hotel by Jean's lawyer, where she was tricked into signing papers.

17 Jul 1918: A report on the fraud trial notes she was acquitted on the attempted arson charges by reason of insanity.

And that's it until the account of the 1932 fire.

Cheers,

Earl


Thanks Earl. I will always wonder if Harriet managed to burn down 1500 W Adams (swc Adams and Catalina).... As an aside to the story of that house (1902-1932), it appears that the metal gas-station office built on the site of the house in 1934 still stands:

https://i.postimg.cc/L6DF0V90/1500-WAD4-FB-bmp.jpgGSV

Earl Boebert Feb 11, 2021 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 9187755)
Thanks Earl. I will always wonder if Harriet managed to burn down 1500 W Adams (swc Adams and Catalina).... As an aside to the story of that house (1902-1932), it appears that the metal gas-station office built on the site of the house in 1934 still stands:

https://i.postimg.cc/L6DF0V90/1500-WAD4-FB-bmp.jpgGSV

I don't know if she did or not. Certainly a lot of funny business going on at 840 and 836 S. Flower. She appears to have been a very vulnerable woman and could have been manipulated into the deed. And who were these people who could take her out of the county jail and stash her in a hotel until she signed a bunch of papers?

Her lawyer, Le Compte Davis, appears to have been a real Perry Mason type character, lots of newspaper stories about him. Worth an article by himself.

Cheers,

Earl

Edit: Looked him up on Find a Grave:

Noted Criminal Lawyer LeCompte Davis Dies. Colorful Veteran of Many Los Angeles Court Battles Dies in Sanitarium at 95. Atty. LeCompte Davis, 95, colorful veteran of many Los Angeles court battles, died yesterday in a sanitarium, where he was resting after minor surgery performed last Sept. 8. Described by his friends in the legal profession as one of the great criminal attorneys to practice here, his career spanned some 60 years. Pantages Trial. He devoted his life to private practice, except for a two-year period at the turn of the century when he was Assistant District Attorney. Mr. Davis represented Gilbert H. Beesemyer in the Guarantee Building & Loan Association case in which Beesemyer pleaded guilty to grand theft involving some $8,000,000. He also was defense attorney in the Harry New murder case and in Eunice Pringle's assault case against Theater Magnate Alexander Pantages. Along with Clarence Darrow he defended the McNamara brothers accused of the bombing of the Times in 1910. Mr. Davis lived at 2755 Raymond Ave. He leaves two half sisters and a half brother in his native Kentucky, and two distant relatives here. [Obituary From Los Angeles Times, Sept. 27, 1958.]

First married to Della May, no children.

Second married to Edythe Gilman, no children. Edythe and Count were legally separated on 15 May 1955 in Los Angeles, California.


Known informally as "Count." 2755 Raymond Avenue appears to be a survivor.

Blaster Feb 12, 2021 1:29 AM

Help! I've been trying to find photos of LAPD detective John St. John aka Jigsaw John, LAPD Detective Badge Number One.

ethereal_reality Feb 12, 2021 3:02 AM

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:previous:


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/zwFwVf.jpg
ipinimg

"LAPD Chief Gates with the great detective John St. John at his retirement party May, 1993."

with the description


You can find a few additional photographs at the lamorguefiles blogspot.
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CaliNative Feb 12, 2021 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9187389)
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Here's a restaurant that we haven't seen, or discussed, on NLA.



"ARCARO RESTAURANT 4658 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood 29, Calif."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/vcuL7R.jpg
eBay

If memory serves me, "Eddie" Arcaro was a horse:uhh: jockey.


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^^^
If somebody knows Italian, can you translate the 3 lines near the top of the menu that start with "Bevevano.."? Graci

E_R, is this is a late1940s/early 1950s menu? Prices seem right for those years for a restaurant with upscale pretensions. Too high for the late '30s (plus no wine/beer before 1933) plus Arcaro wasn't the legend he would become. My guess would be early/mid 1950s...maaaaybe late '50s to 1960 at the latest...am I correct? If I had to pick one year....1955.

Eddie was probably there most nights (certainly Friday/Saturday) warmly greeting customers. I bet the tables had red & white checkerboard tablecloths, chianti bottles with lit candles and wicker baskets with bread sticks. Plus lots of signed photos of celebrity customers on the walls and maybe some racing photos. Probably a good place to get racing tips. I wonder if the L.A. mafiosi discretely frequented the place? Dragna etc. Maybe Sinatra dropped in from time to time when he was in town. Maybe the whole "ratpack".

Lorendoc Feb 12, 2021 6:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9188722)
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If somebody knows Italian, can you translate the 3 lines near the top of the menu that start with "Bevevano.."? Graci



Our fathers drank? Yes. Our mothers drank? Yes. And we who are their children dr- dr- drink, and we who are their children drink with pleasure.

Beaudry Feb 12, 2021 7:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 9188654)
Help! I've been trying to find photos of LAPD detective John St. John aka Jigsaw John, LAPD Detective Badge Number One.

If you haven't seen Shotgun Freeway make sure to take a look, around 19:20

GaylordWilshire Feb 12, 2021 4:46 PM

:previous:

Beaudry: While I see you here--just want to say that I've now had a chance to study your book, and it is absolutely great, every detail. Congratulations. Everyone here (and everywhere else) should have a copy. https://bunkerhilllosangeles.com/202.../buy-the-book/


https://i.postimg.cc/xT095xL7/bunkerbig.jpg

Martin Pal Feb 12, 2021 7:27 PM

^^^

Agree! I just read it last week! This part of a review I read of the book explains part of why I enjoyed it so much:

The book tells the story of Bunker Hill twice. First is the written story accompanied by pictures. Then it goes through the chronology again pictorially with text accompanying the photos. This made an impact on me as I was first grappling mentally with the geography and the wonder of what was once there, while in the second telling all of the pieces started falling into place in a way that helped me visualize, or experience in my imagination, the neighborhood as if one was looking at it on Google Street View.

Also, we've mentioned on NLA, as does this book, too, the film The Exiles which was filmed on Bunker Hill. There is a person who goes by CitySleuth who has a website called Reel SF, subtitled "San Francisco movie locations from classic films." The first paragraph of the "About" section describes what the website is about:

For the past 17 years I have pursued a passion for movie location hunting in San Francisco. Not just any movies - they have to be classic movies. In other words older movies, often film noir in genre, so that I can compare this extraordinary city as it was up to a century ago with how it looks today. I have researched, hunted down and in some cases simply stumbled upon hundreds of locations spanning many movies and I plan to share the fruits of my efforts through this blog, building it up movie by movie, location by location, presented in a 'Then' and 'Now' format. I can't think of a better way to get to know the city, for me that is, but through this blog, for you too. Its sole intent is to inform and to educate. It generates zero income and displays zero ads. It represents, quite simply, a labor of love in celebration of an extraordinary city.

I stumbled on the site once looking up something about a favorite film of mine and have enjoyed the site off and on since. If something in a film he is spotlighting was filmed in a Hollywood Studio or actually in Los Angeles, that is covered, too. Which is why I bring this up now. A few years ago he did a now and then comparison of the film The Exiles precisely because the Bunker Hill locations were often used to represent parts of San Francisco set films. He has a special forward for each post for that film: ( A Bunker Hill movie in a San Francisco blog? CitySleuth explains why HERE. )

In that explanation he's very complimentary: [First] As it turns out, L.A.'s Bunker Hill and S.F.'s Telegraph Hill had much in common with their turn-of-the-century wooden buildings, steps and steep streets. And second, because in researching these sites over the years CitySleuth has come to know and love the old Bunker Hill so well despite never having been there and despite its total erasure by the end of the 1960s. So imagine his delight in coming across this wonderfully restored movie and witnessing the preservation of sorts of so many locations from a bygone era. Such nostalgia, ergo it cried out to be shared.

There are thirteen separate posts detailing sections of the film and phtos of now and then sleuthing. It's a great additional read for anyone interested in Bunker Hill...and where it was/is now.

http://reelsf.com/the-exiles-1961

P.S.: I went to the site and sent him an email alerting him to this new book.

Snix Feb 13, 2021 1:25 AM

I was unfamiliar with the Eddie Arcaro restaurant on Melrose, but I've long been curious about his collaborations with Tiny Naylor - and specifically about the incredible googie style restaurant below photographed by Julius Shulman. Shulman dates these 1954 and credits them to architects Jones and Emmons, but according to the clippings, the Arcaro/Naylor restaurant(s) opened in 1958 and were designed by Armet & Davis. This looks much more of an A&D design than a Jones and Emmons design. It does NOT appear to be one of these:

1. "House of Naylor" somewhere on La Cienega

2. Tiny Naylor's coffee shop 14 N. La Cienega, Beverly Hills

3. "Eddie Arcaro's Winner's Circle" 8620 S. Western Ave.
This is described as the second collaboration with an interior "styled after an English tavern." Clearly not the one in the Shulman photos.


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...54222318_b.jpg
Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

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Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

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Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

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Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...8f4721eb_b.jpg
Julius Shulman © J. Paul Getty Trust. Getty Research Institute, Los Angeles (2004.R.10)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...09e3709b_w.jpg
Los Angeles Times 5/26/58

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4ae93d6d_z.jpg
Los Angeles Times 6/29/58

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2814350c_b.jpg
Los Angeles Times 11/23/58

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...los-1982215299
"House of Naylor" on Tiny Naylor's menu from Worthpoint

Tiny Naylor's at 14 N. La Cienega (at Wilshire) in Beverly Hills
https://cdn2.lamag.com/wp-content/up...inynaylors.jpg
Photo; Armet & Davis, via Los Angeles magazine
https://www.lamag.com/askchris/belov...er-demolished/

Getty Images: Eddie Arcaro Wearing Chef Hat While Cooking
(Original Caption) Jockey Eddie Arcaro trades in his riding silks for a chef's hat and prepares a steak in the new restaurant he has an interest in here. Arcaro has entered into a partnership with the famous restaurateur Tiny Naylor, and the pair announced that they will open a Winner's Circle Room in the House of Naylor on La Cienga's restaurant row.
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/e...t=best#license

House of Naylor sign by David Sutton at MPTV
https://www.mptvimages.com/images/15...8-david-sutton


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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9187389)
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Here's a restaurant that we haven't seen, or discussed, on NLA.



"ARCARO RESTAURANT 4658 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood 29, Calif."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/vcuL7R.jpg
eBay

If memory serves me, "Eddie" Arcaro was a horse jockey.


Printed by Waldorf Printers...NOrmandy 1 -1533
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Blaster Feb 13, 2021 5:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9188706)
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:previous:


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/zwFwVf.jpg
ipinimg

"LAPD Chief Gates with the great detective John St. John at his retirement party May, 1993."

with the description


You can find a few additional photographs at the lamorguefiles blogspot.
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Thanks, ER.

Slauson Slim Feb 13, 2021 6:17 PM

My dad would take the family to Tiny Naylor’s on Western for a special treat. The bar there was called Room Of Champions with pictures of sports stars on the walls. The place was a couple of miles away from Hollywood Park Race Track.


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