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ethereal_reality Dec 3, 2020 5:26 PM

Oh, and one more thing.


Here's Sally Rand on 'What's My Line' in 1952 lookin' good. . .and quite charming.

Her segment begins at 17:00.

Video Link


She was 48 at the time.


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ethereal_reality Dec 3, 2020 8:54 PM




Los Angeles Chemical Company truck #4 and driver.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/8evbkx.jpg
eBay


Los Angeles Chemical Co.

1960 Santa Fe Avenue

VAndike..........MFG. Plant

0741..............South Gate



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BillinGlendaleCA Dec 3, 2020 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9124240)


Los Angeles Chemical Company truck #4 and driver.


Los Angeles Chemical Co.

1960 Santa Fe Avenue

VAndike..........MFG. Plant

0741..............South Gate



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1960 Santa Fe Ave. 1960? Good number for an address.

Bristolian Dec 4, 2020 3:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9121775)
I don't think I knew Sally Rand was a WBS. She certainly has eyes for the Babe. I always heard Babe nicknamed The Sultan of Swat, instead of The King of Swat. Of course, he was so popular he had many nicknames: Babe, The Colossus of Clout, The Sultan of Swat, The Big Bam, The Behemoth of Bust, Jedge, The Caliph of Clout, The Wazir of Wham, The Maharajah of Mash, The Rajah of Rap, The Blunderbuss, The Mammoth of Maul, The Mauling Mastodon, The Mauling Monarch, The Wali of Wallop, The Prince of Powders, The King of Crash, The King of Clout, The Colossus of Crash, The King of Swing, The Terrible Titan, The Kid (or King) of Crash and, of course, The Great Bambino. (From: Babe Ruth Nicknames and The Story Behind Them)

I'm intrigued by the belief some hold that Babe Ruth had some African American ancestry and had to keep it secret because of the strict segregation in Major League Baseball.

https://www.newsday.com/was-babe-rut...tters-1.265791

CaliNative Dec 4, 2020 7:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9123705)
Dang. I thought that was Ms. Rand in the film. Sally Rand was there in 1962 or 63 when they welcomed the astronauts to Houston and she did her fan dance in the Houston Coliseum arena downtown. Tom Wolfe wrote about it. Having a fan dancer welcome the astronauts sounds bizarre, but it all worked out and everybody ate massive piles of BBQ beef on paper plates and drank tons of bourbon and had a Texas good time. Did Sally Rand have any success as an actress in Hollywood? I guess not, since she moved on to fan dancing.

I wonder if Sally had a fling with Babe Ruth? That pic above looks like she might have. Maybe some of the others too. Babe loved food, drink and the ladies. He loved life and never pretended to be a saint. His candle burned brightly but went out early. When the Babe was in L.A.he often golfed at the Griffith Park courses. Ruth was a very good golfer. Like his home runs, his drives off the tee went farther than others could hit them, and we're usually accurate. He also loved bowling, hunting and fishing. Babe couldn't remember the names of everyone he knew, so he called many people "kid" (pronounced "keed"), even some of his teammates. A fun loving human dynamo. Most everybody liked the Babe, except opposing pitchers. Babe was also kind to children, since he was basically a big "keed" himself. And probably the greatest all around baseball player ever. Started as a good pitcher who might have had a hall of fame pitching career, but he hit so we'll they put him in the outfield so he could hit every day and he broke all the slugging records. When he hit an amazing 29 home runs with the Red Sox in 1919, nobody could believe it (previous record was half that). The next year with the Yankees he hit 54, more than the rest of the team combined. Amazing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 9124577)
I'm intrigued by the belief some hold that Babe Ruth had some African American ancestry and had to keep it secret because of the strict segregation in Major League Baseball.

https://www.newsday.com/was-babe-rut...tters-1.265791

^^^
The era when Ruth played was still very racist. Odious Klan marches were held in Washington in 1925 and 1926, and lynchings were a common event in the south. Players with black ancestry couldn't play in the major leagues until Jackie Robinson broke the barrier in 1947. So when opposing players (apparently including Georgian Ty Cobb) suggested that Ruth might have some black ancestry, that at the time was considered a big insult. The opposing players based their insults on Ruth's slightly dark complexion (he tanned deeply in summer) and some of his facial features. But most authorities I'm aware of say that Ruth was entirely or primarily of German ancestry (although Ruth himself also thought he might have partial Irish ancestry as well). One good source is the fairly recent biography "The Big Bam", which I highly recommend. The book has a very good source index.

In later years, Cobb and Ruth were somewhat friendly to each other, and a couple of times golfed. Cobb, who was very good with money and investments, and became very wealthy, sometimes suggested investments to Ruth, including buying Coca Cola stock (a very good suggestion). Both Cobb and Ruth were in the first Hall of Fame induction class in the late 1930s, and were very friendly and courteous to each other at the induction ceremony. Interestingly, Cobb was #1 in votes to induct, getting slightly more than Ruth. Honus Wagner, Grover Cleveland Alexander, and Walter Johnson were some of the other inductees in the first class.

Ruth was a Democrat, and a big backer of Al Smith in the 1928 presidential election. It didn't hurt that both men were "wets", against prohibition and frequent imbibers. When someone asked why he made more money than President Hoover early in the depression, Ruth joked that he had a better year than Hoover. Ruth was a good Catholic, and a member of the Knights of Columbus. His second wife apparently tamed him somewhat, and his womanizing apparently was reduced, or at least became more discrete.

The later feud between Ruth and Gehrig apparently might have started when Gehrig suspected that his wife Eleanor might have had an affair with Ruth. On the way by ocean liner to Japan in 1934 for a series of baseball exhibition games, Gehrig came across a tipsy Eleanor in Ruth's berth having a drink. Ruth and Gehrig reconciled at Lou's farewell in Yankee Stadium after Gehrig got the fatal disease that still carries his name.

Ruth never got a chance to manage a team, even in the minor leagues, since most owners thought he didn't have the character or perhaps intelligence to do so. In actuality, Ruth was an intelligent and charismatic man (although his memory for names wasn't great), and probably would have been a good manager. It is unfortunate he never got the chance. Traded by the Yankees, Ruth briefly was a player and Vice President for the Boston Braves. He hit his last 3 home runs with the Braves in 1935 at Forbes Field in Pittsburgh, the last one traveling well over 500 feet. The Big Bam went out with a Big Bang. Later, Ruth briefly served as a first base coach for the Brooklyn Dodgers. The Babe died in 1948 from throat cancer. He was only 53. Huge crowds paid their respects at his funeral.

The best film to see Ruth in action is the Gehrig biopic "Pride of the Yankees". Who else could have played Ruth except Ruth? The "Babe Ruth Story" with William "Life of Riley" Bendix as the Big Bam is quite horrid--don't waste your time watching it in its rare appearances on TV. The 1990s TV biopic with John Goodman as Ruth isn't quite as terrible, but is hard to find, and Goodman looks and behaves nothing like Ruth.

Mackerm Dec 4, 2020 7:28 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/D0rfMdwq/citizensbank-tower.jpg
Okie Mod Squad

I never tire of pictures showing the Cinerama Dome with the Sunset Vine Tower. Something like L.A.'s homage to the Trylon and Perisphere. One odd thing: the movie Oklahoma! was released in 1955, whereas the Cinerama Dome opened in 1963, so I guess this postcard was made to publicise a re-release of that 30 FPS Todd-AO extravaganza. Or maybe there's another simple explanation.

(On a completely unrelated note, Oklahoma City's Gold Dome was built in 1958 to house Citizen's State Bank. The tower at 2200 Classen was originally built in 1966 as a headquarters for Citizens Narional Bank, and was designed as a tribute to Frank Lloyd Wright. Wright's only completed skyscraper is also in Oklahoma. The tower has been converted to apartments - shades of the Sunset Vine tower.)

unihikid Dec 4, 2020 5:39 PM

The Sheen's at play, around LA
 
Here are more family pictures. The first few are my dad and aunts in front of Kenwood. The rest are just random parks.

https://i.postimg.cc/hPq66trq/050.jpg
Dad 1946

https://i.postimg.cc/4NV74BV9/056.jpg
Aunt Delores, Aunt Mildred on the trike, and Lassie 1946

https://i.postimg.cc/q7kC5ytC/047.jpg
Dad, Papa, Aunt Mildred, and Aunt Carol not facing the camera

This one is a hard one to place. Dad said there used to be stables near Inglewood, but remembered sometime in the mid 50's they made trips to Ontario to go riding. Papa owned two horses, which my Aunt Carol took to. She later moved to AZ to live the life of a cowgirl and was able to own a few horses herself.

https://i.postimg.cc/WbgB9kcV/059.jpg
Papa, Aunt Mildred, and i'm not too sure which cousin Papa is holding but Aunt Mildred is holding Trena
Some park in LA 1958

I posted this a few months ago when we we're discussing Marineland. I got to go to Marineland in 1986-87 (I think it was Marineworld by then), and i remember getting my caricature drawn by a clown. When i go back home for the holidays ill post it, till then here are the Sheen's at Marineworld (again) 1957..in Living Color!

https://i.postimg.cc/brNZ6hsc/060.jpg

And last is one of my favorites. On the back it simply says Griffith.

https://i.postimg.cc/J03zW7dd/083.jpg
Granny with Aunt Mildred, and Dad 1946

edit: The reason for my visits to ML/MW was mainly because Dad did a commercial for them. If you want check it out https://youtu.be/s7_FaN6bves

unihikid Dec 4, 2020 6:22 PM

More Candy
 
And since it's the Holiday Season, here are more Candy related Pictures. When they passed, granny just boxed up the pictures and put them n the Duplex's basement. I've tried to get a hold of FIDM to see if they wanted any items (we have the keys to Mr. Candy's office at Bullocks Wilshire and Westwood, along with his awards, and a few P.G. Winnett items), but it's a lost cause.

I posted this way back when i had Photobucket, the back had my Grandmother's writing, but its BW.

https://i.postimg.cc/zGfbrWSm/095.jpg
Christmastime 1957

https://i.postimg.cc/NLq4nDrw/038.jpg

P.G. Winnett, and Kate Winnett Candy on the right, the rest unknown.

This last one is the Candy's driver out in Sunland. Evidently they owned a bunch of property out in that area, and they would go shooting out there. All of the photos from this day are desert scenes, Mrs. Candy Shooting, the driver sitting, and my grandmothers lunch.. I'm only posting the driver because the rest aren't too interesting. Plus he looks cool.

https://i.postimg.cc/tR2nm2Wd/072.jpg
All photos scanned by me

jg6544 Dec 4, 2020 9:21 PM

The Christmas tree looks like it's in the old Bullocks-Wilshire store on Wilshire Blvd.

ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2020 7:51 PM

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Here's an interesting rppc currently on eBay


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/684RzL.jpg
eBay






Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/AAq4Ew.jpg

On the left you can see the L.(?) Watson & Son Meat Market.




And the back tells us this is Glendale CA.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/UcEdJj.jpg



What we don't know is the name of the street.



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ethereal_reality Dec 5, 2020 8:31 PM

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I am quite sure we have seen the Garvanza Villa Hotel on NLA (I can't locate the post) but we haven't seen this view that just showed up on eBay.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/eMs0ic.jpg
eBay









Here's a super-duper closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zSbok2.jpg





. . .and the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/hdlN0t.jpg



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Beaudry Dec 6, 2020 1:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9125938)





Here's a super-duper closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zSbok2.jpg







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Bang! I bought that in a heartbeat. I live pretty close to the same neighborhood as the Garvanza Villa. Or where it was, anyway. Which is here:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e404ae34_h.jpgusc

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6f57cf54_h.jpgbingmaps

Can't find a demo permit, but 121 South Avenue 63 was built in 1925, so I'm guessing it went down around then. Here's another shot of it:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0ceb8cd9_h.jpgusc

The view looking out over the Arroyo must have been incredible*. Designed by Boring and Haas, it was built in 1886.

*Edit: the view is still pretty swell. As are the 1920s apartments that replaced it—

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...af998292_h.jpggsv

JimCraig Dec 6, 2020 5:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 9126099)
Bang! I bought that in a heartbeat. I live pretty close to the same neighborhood as the Garvanza Villa. Or where it was, anyway. Which is here:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e404ae34_h.jpgusc

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6f57cf54_h.jpgbingmaps

Can't find a demo permit, but 211-221 South Avenue 63 was built in 1925, so I'm guessing it went down around then. Here's another shot of it:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0ceb8cd9_h.jpgusc

The view looking out over the Arroyo must have been incredible*. Designed by Boring and Haas, it was built in 1886.

*Edit: the view is still pretty swell. As are the 1920s apartments that replaced it—

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...af998292_h.jpggsv

Congratulations on your purchase. It never ceases to amaze me what shows up on ebay. Good price too. Sometimes the Sellers get greedy. You live in an interesting neighborhood. What is the "official" name of your neighborhood - "Garvanza Villa Heights"?,

Andys Dec 6, 2020 5:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 9126099)
Bang! I bought that in a heartbeat. I live pretty close to the same neighborhood as the Garvanza Villa. Or where it was, anyway. Which is here:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e404ae34_h.jpgusc

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6f57cf54_h.jpgbingmaps

Can't find a demo permit, but 211-221 South Avenue 63 was built in 1925, so I'm guessing it went down around then. Here's another shot of it:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0ceb8cd9_h.jpgusc

The view looking out over the Arroyo must have been incredible*. Designed by Boring and Haas, it was built in 1886.

*Edit: the view is still pretty swell. As are the 1920s apartments that replaced it—

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...af998292_h.jpggsv

Interesting to me, is how short lived was this magnificent structure was; 40 years, and it's gone! Perhaps its life was interrupted by fire, or earthquake?
andys

Lwize Dec 6, 2020 8:07 PM

Termites.

Martin Pal Dec 6, 2020 10:04 PM

Thanks, Beaudry, great additional photo and also the 1920's apartments!

Noir_Noir Dec 7, 2020 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 9126099)
Bang! I bought that in a heartbeat. I live pretty close to the same neighborhood as the Garvanza Villa. Or where it was, anyway.

Can't find a demo permit, but 211-221 South Avenue 63 was built in 1925, so I'm guessing it went down around then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys (Post 9126408)
Interesting to me, is how short lived was this magnificent structure was; 40 years, and it's gone! Perhaps its life was interrupted by fire, or earthquake?
andys


It appears the Garvanza Villa Hotel was destroyed by fire.

https://i.imgur.com/uBbE3g4.jpg
planning.lacity.org


This is the demolition permit from March 1924.

https://i.imgur.com/cC2UKGq.jpg
ladbsdoc.lacity.org

Bristolian Dec 7, 2020 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 9126227)
Congratulations on your purchase. It never ceases to amaze me what shows up on ebay. Good price too. Sometimes the Sellers get greedy. You live in an interesting neighborhood. What is the "official" name of your neighborhood - "Garvanza Villa Heights"?,

According to Google Maps, and surprising to me, the area is known as "Garvanza". I had never heard of it.

https://i.imgur.com/wXBPNxz.png?1Google Maps

Garvanza Hardware is still in business just around the corner from the former location of the Garvanza Villa.

https://i.imgur.com/VGB94Yc.png?1GSV

https://i.imgur.com/zTwu3IK.png?1

CityBoyDoug Dec 7, 2020 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9125902)
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Here's an interesting rppc currently on eBay





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What is rppc...? That's new to me.

Earl Boebert Dec 8, 2020 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9127385)
What is rppc...? That's new to me.

Real Photograph Post Card (as opposed to a reproduction by lithograph or some other means.) Used special photographic paper:

https://www.playle.com/realphoto/

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Dec 8, 2020 5:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9115905)
Here's an interesting rppc. (real photograph post card)

Earl beat me to it, CBD.




A quick return to the Garvanza Villa Hotel.

The hotel under construction. (1885)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/LhXy2n.jpg
Los Angeles Public Library


"The Garvanza Villa Hotel under construction at the corner of what are now Avenue 63 and York Blvd."... KCET







A late 1886 view looking north from the second floor of the hotel.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/WF0cL0.jpg
Garvanza by Charles J. Fisher


"The photograph shows Pasadena Avenue (now York Boulevard) passing the newly completed Land Company
building (later called Miller's Hall) and the Wells Fargo Station."
...Charles J. Fisher

So which one is the Santa Fe Station? I don't see any railroad tracks. :shrug:







Lastly, here's a photograph taken from the porch of the Garvanza Villa Hotel.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/AhPom6.jpg
Garvanza by Charles J. Fisher

"When the $20,000 hotel opened on November 1886 it was sometimes referred to as the 'Garvanza Park Hotel'. This view of the Arroyo Seco includes Sugar Loaf Hill
which was to become known as 'Santa Fe Hill' when the railroad bought out the 'Los Angeles & San Gabriel Railroad' the following January."
. . . .Charles J. Fisher

The hanging plant at the end of the porch appears to be taking the brunt of the wind.




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ethereal_reality Dec 8, 2020 4:14 PM

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There is a group of original slides that were just listed on eBay.

They're being sold separately.


Here's the first slide. (my favorite)...I'll post the rest later today.

Looking south on Olive Street toward the Biltmore Hotel. (1950s?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/t6o76b.jpg
eBay

We've seen this view many times on NLA but it's always exciting to see a never-seen-before original. The empty lot on the right is the former site of the Fremont Hotel. :previous:



This one.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/eUa1gv.jpg
img.i

side note:...The Fremont can be seen in a few film noirs.








Also too. . .

I'm curious about the skybridges connecting the two white buildings. I don't recall seeing them before.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/GO5ixg.jpg
detail

The top two are obviously passageways for employees.




Just for fun.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/3gCN6F.jpg
detail

note the Christmas thingy. I know we've discussed them before but I don't remember what we decided they were. umm. . .a place to post letters to Santa?


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ethereal_reality Dec 8, 2020 4:59 PM

Here are two more from the same group.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yeytN5.jpg
eBay

The Los Angeles County Courthouse designed by African-American arthitect Paul Williams.



Additional info. for newbies.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/EGeZhX.jpg
dailyjournal

See the clock. Read below:

"The gigantic clock with the 11-foot hands and large Roman numerals first appeared in Los Angeles County's 'Clocktower Courthouse' in 1861.
The clock was transferred to the 'Red Sandstone Courthouse' in 1891. After sitting in storage, the clock was retrieved and installed in the Mid-Century
Los Angeles Courthouse, shown above."
...dailyjournal

That is amazing. I'm surprised the clock survived all those different moves from one place to another.

(most of you no doubt already knew this story)








https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/QEp9O8.jpg
eBay

For newcomers:...

The massive building in front of City Hall is the old California State Building. It was damaged in the 1971 Sylmar Earthquake & demolished in 1975-76. :(


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GaylordWilshire Dec 8, 2020 6:53 PM

:previous:


Here is a post from 2011 re the clock...it seems to be missing its LAPL images, but I take it that the old clock may have been on display in the Mosk courthouse, not on top of the building...

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...postcount=2465

Martin Pal Dec 8, 2020 9:30 PM

I've been watching Get Smart lately and I just thought I'd ask... In the Season 3 intro, below, what are the two buildings we see right at the start?
The one in the background (is it the Hall of Records?) and then the one he drives up to?

Video Link

HossC Dec 8, 2020 10:53 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9128366)
I've been watching Get Smart lately and I just thought I'd ask... In the Season 3 intro, below, what are the two buildings we see right at the start?
The one in the background (is it the Hall of Records?) and then the one he drives up to?

The building in the background is the Hall of Records, and he parks outside the Broadway entrance to the Hall of Justice (you can see the name over the door as he goes in).

Beaudry Dec 9, 2020 3:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 9126227)
Congratulations on your purchase. It never ceases to amaze me what shows up on ebay. Good price too. Sometimes the Sellers get greedy. You live in an interesting neighborhood. What is the "official" name of your neighborhood - "Garvanza Villa Heights"?,

I agree, good price, and agreed, sellers will at times go overboard in testing the market. That said, hey, it's whatever the market will bear. Especially in these weird, lean times. And I'm on a definite postcard & slide diet. (That said, I did just spend a good piece of change on this.)

And as Bristolian pointed out, the area is Garvanza, though to be exact I'm Garvanza-adjacent, in the Avenues of Highland Park. I did just go through the Jack In The Box drive-thru the other night, right there on the storied Garvanza Villa land...

Despite what it says in the City Planning Dept HPOZ report on Garvanza, I don't think there was a fire. A fire would have made the papers, for one thing. Also, there was a big auction beforehand, which leads me to believe it was their intention to tear it down:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3eaec92d_c.jpgnewspapers.com

And then Whiting-Mead tear it down come March:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d9273d16_c.jpgnewspapers.com

What I don't get, is the use of 156 S Ave 63 in that notice, or in the demo permit that Noir_Noir posted. Seems to me the GV was on the other side of the street; many times its address is given as 121:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c79e02ef_o.pngnewspapers.com

...so I guess the subject of its address is something of a mystery.

Beaudry Dec 9, 2020 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9127958)
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Also too. . .

I'm curious about the skybridges connecting the two white buildings. I don't recall seeing them before.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/GO5ixg.jpg
detail

The top two are obviously passageways for employees.




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It's funny, I just did a post where I referenced being on an eBay spending diet, but I intend to "go big" on this one, because man do I want that sucker. Such an interesting point in time, after they tore down the Fremont for the Fourth St Cut in 1954, but before they tore down the rest of the wall (here I am going on about like a crazy person 'bout that wall).

What really gets me is that it shows the pedestrian bridges between the two telephone buildings. The Pacific Telephone and Telegraph offices at left (Bliss & Faville, 1924) was joined to the new Southern California Telephone HQ (Charles Day Woodford) when it was finished in 1947. We've seen the shot by the great Palmer Conner here on NLA before I'm sure:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0442f843_b.jpgHuntington Library

CaliNative Dec 9, 2020 7:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 9128641)
It's funny, I just did a post where I referenced being on an eBay spending diet, but I intend to "go big" on this one, because man do I want that sucker. Such an interesting point in time, after they tore down the Fremont for the Fourth St Cut in 1954, but before they tore down the rest of the wall (here I am going on about like a crazy person 'bout that wall).

What really gets me is that it shows the pedestrian bridges between the two telephone buildings. The Pacific Telephone and Telegraph offices at left (Bliss & Faville, 1924) was joined to the new Southern California Telephone HQ (Charles Day Woodford) when it was finished in 1947. We've seen the shot by the great Palmer Conner here on NLA before I'm sure:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0442f843_b.jpgHuntington Library

When did the microwave towers get added to the telephone building on the right? I seem to remember them being there by the late1960s, or even before. Plus weren't additional floors added to the building? As the giant gasometers went away, the microwave towers went up. Hmmm.

Beaudry Dec 9, 2020 7:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9128751)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0442f843_b.jpg
When did the microwave towers get added to the telephone building on the right? I seem to remember them being there by the late1960s, or even before. Plus weren't additional floors added to the building? As the giant gasometers went away, the microwave towers went up. Hmmm

Actually there was never a microwave tower on that building; that's 434 S Grand and it's always just looked like that. However, just next door to its north at 420 they built another telephone building, designed by Woodford & Bernard and built in 1962. THAT one had the 185', 250-ton tower:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...bae9dbf5_b.jpglapl

However, that tower didn't last too long. In 1966 the tower was removed/demolished, and seven stories added to the structure, and then the tower was rebuilt in a slightly different configuration:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...34869807_b.jpghuntington, huntington

Martin Pal Dec 9, 2020 6:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9128465)
The building in the background is the Hall of Records, and he parks outside the Broadway entrance to the Hall of Justice (you can see the name over the door as he goes in).


Thanks, HossC...so that's the Broadway entrance...it was confusing me somewhat!

HossC Dec 9, 2020 7:10 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9129067)

Thanks, HossC...so that's the Broadway entrance...it was confusing me somewhat!

Here's a comparison that I didn't have time to post yesterday. It looks like they've added steps and bollards since the '60s.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
CBS/GSV

Martin Pal Dec 9, 2020 7:56 PM

:previous:

I wasn't really aware of this, but apparently after the Northridge Quake in 1994, the building was shut down for almost two decades, was considered for demolition, but underwent a $234 million overhaul starting in 2012, including extensive seismic retrofitting, and reopened in Oct. 2014.

https://i2.wp.com/brighamyen.com/wp-...9/DSC06808.jpgBrighamYen


https://i1.wp.com/brighamyen.com/wp-...9/DSC06800.jpgBrighamYen

https://i0.wp.com/brighamyen.com/wp-...pg?w=497&ssl=1BrighamYen

Looking at GSVs, the bollards were put in sometime between 2015 and 2016.

BillinGlendaleCA Dec 10, 2020 1:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9129210)
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I wasn't really aware of this, but apparently after the Northridge Quake in 1994, the building was shut down for almost two decades, was considered for demolition, but underwent a $234 million overhaul starting in 2012, including extensive seismic retrofitting, and reopened in Oct. 2014.


Looking at GSVs, the bollards were put in sometime between 2015 and 2016.

They also cleaned the exterior, it looks quite striking in pics from Griffith Park.

ethereal_reality Dec 10, 2020 2:13 AM

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Here's another of the slides from the group that I mentioned a couple of days ago. (I previously posted three of the slides) I'm glad one of them found a home with Beaudry. :)



As you can see this one was taken on Hollywood Blvd. just east of Argyle. -looking west.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/oqeknK.jpg
eBay

The two films playing at the Pantages are. . .

Tip on a Dead Jockey (1957)

House of Numbers (1957)



And there's a bit of jabberwocky fun going on with the two signs.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...924/X8aQcR.jpg



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ethereal_reality Dec 10, 2020 2:59 AM

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mystery street, Los Angeles 1970 ....eBay

hmm. .perhaps the owners of the two nifty cars work in the building on the left.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/q4lyWJ.jpg
eBay

At first glance there doesn't appear to be any good clues (besides the name on the bldg at left.)

. . . .that is, unless you take a look farther down the street. (see below)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/e0XuSL.jpg
detail

As you can see the street appears to dead end at a rather interesting looking building with a wall and arch. (& possibly a tall tower on the left)

. . .of course an even better clue is the homemade 2412 sign with the arrow.

There's also a street sign peaking out from behind a pole. The first two letters appear to be A and y(?) I think.






Last but not least, here is a closer look at the name on the building that I mentioned earlier.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/qxTwQ3.jpg
detail

I've often wondered if there's an app that will stretch out the letters to make the sign more legible. (just askin')




Good luck minions! :superwhip
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odinthor Dec 10, 2020 3:28 AM

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e_r. I believe we're at the corner of Pico and Federal Avenue, looking south. Next street down is Ayres Avenue.

https://i.postimg.cc/T2CPG4dX/AyresAv.jpg
gsv

The structure in the foreground appears to be a survivor . . .

CaliNative Dec 10, 2020 5:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 9128641)
It's funny, I just did a post where I referenced being on an eBay spending diet, but I intend to "go big" on this one, because man do I want that sucker. Such an interesting point in time, after they tore down the Fremont for the Fourth St Cut in 1954, but before they tore down the rest of the wall (here I am going on about like a crazy person 'bout that wall).

What really gets me is that it shows the pedestrian bridges between the two telephone buildings. The Pacific Telephone and Telegraph offices at left (Bliss & Faville, 1924) was joined to the new Southern California Telephone HQ (Charles Day Woodford) when it was finished in 1947. We've seen the shot by the great Palmer Conner here on NLA before I'm sure:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0442f843_b.jpgHuntington Library

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 9128753)
Actually there was never a microwave tower on that building; that's 434 S Grand and it's always just looked like that. However, just next door to its north at 420 they built another telephone building, designed by Woodford & Bernard and built in 1962. THAT one had the 185', 250-ton tower:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...bae9dbf5_b.jpglapl

However, that tower didn't last too long. In 1966 the tower was removed/demolished, and seven stories added to the structure, and then the tower was rebuilt in a slightly different configuration:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...34869807_b.jpghuntington, huntington

^^^
Thanks for the microwave tower history. In the 1980s I once overheard some homeless guy in Pershing Square mutter that the microwaves were used for thought control. I nodded as I quickly passed him on the way to an important meeting on metrorail construction in the Biltmore.

CaliNative Dec 10, 2020 6:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9129511)
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Here's another of the slides from the group that I mentioned a couple of days ago. (I previously posted three of the slides) I'm glad one of them found a home with Beaudry. :)



As you can see this one was taken on Hollywood Blvd. just east of Argyle. -looking west.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/oqeknK.jpg
eBay

It looks like there are two betting films showing at the Pantages.

Tip on a Dead Jockey (1957)

House of Numbers (1957)



And there's a bit of jabberwocky fun going on with the two signs.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...924/X8aQcR.jpg



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^^^
I also see an early VW "beetle" (black) on the left with the small oval rear window. Before 1960 VWs were quite rare in the U.S. Then the brilliant ad campaign started that made them cool. Soon they were everywhere. The Hitler connection was forgotten. Similarly, in the 1970s Japanese cars became common. Our old foes won the car wars. I bought a VW in 1968 and a Toyota Corolla in 1974, followed by a Honda Accord in 1979. Before that my parents and family members were mostly Chevy folks, with a few Ford people and one Chrysler oddball. But Dinah Shore singing "See the USA in Your Chevrolet" persists like some ancient ear worm of a distant time long departed. It is hard to forget those old jingles from youth. The "Bonanza" theme music plays in my head sometimes. At other times "77 Sunset Strip" and the "Ballad of Jedd Clampett" from the Beverly Hillbillies.

The early 1960s and before seem as ancient as the time of the dinosaurs. To quote Jimmie Durante, "Good night Mrs. Calabash wherever you are". Goodbye deep past. We will remember you but you are gone forever....except on Noirish Los Angeles. The deep past lives here forever. Thank you ethereal reality for starting this blog, and thanks to all the contributers!

ethereal_reality Dec 10, 2020 8:13 AM

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mystery street FOUND!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/q4lyWJ.jpg
ebay

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9129570)
:previous:

e_r. I believe we're at the corner of Pico and Federal Avenue, looking south. Next street down is Ayres Avenue.

https://i.postimg.cc/T2CPG4dX/AyresAv.jpg
gsv

The structure in the foreground appears to be a survivor . . .

Thanks odinthor, I appreciate your help. :)

And look what I just found on eBay.

If it weren't for the two cars I wouldn't have recognized that this is the same street looking in the opposite direction.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/wJjYX4.jpg
eBay





Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/JIyCE7.jpg
eBay






Here's the same view in 2011.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Zoyj1P.jpg
GSV




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HossC Dec 10, 2020 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9129570)

e_r. I believe we're at the corner of Pico and Federal Avenue, looking south. Next street down is Ayres Avenue.

https://i.postimg.cc/T2CPG4dX/AyresAv.jpg
gsv

The structure in the foreground appears to be a survivor . . .

The building was there until a couple of years ago, but the latest GSV image shows hoardings around an empty site. Here's the 21-unit apartment block being built there now:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
urbanize.city

odinthor Dec 10, 2020 9:25 PM

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Thanks Hoss. Finally a tear-down and replace I'm happy to sign on to! The structure actually is pretty handsome in its way (though that pink-flowering tree, which is probably based on a photo of a Flowering Peach variety, well, no way is it going to grow that big in some tub or container like that).

I quite like the fact that they evidently plan to dip passers-by in quicklime, no doubt as a health precaution.

ethereal_reality Dec 10, 2020 10:32 PM

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Pensick & Gordon Toy Warehouse, 1946.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/bteDgL.jpg
eBay

845 S. Los Angeles Street

I thought I recognized this building as a building in the Arts District. . .




. .but 845 S. Los Angeles St. is located in the 'Lady Liberty' Bldg. LINK...... (as you can see, it isn't on a corner as shown in the ad)


So where is the building in the ad? :shrug:

(At the moment I don't remember the street address of the building I think it might be.


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HossC Dec 10, 2020 10:56 PM

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The CDs around that time all list 845 S Los Angeles Street as the address of Pensick & Gordon (earlier ones give their address as 356 S Los Angeles). Despite this, the building in the picture is at S Santa Fe and E 3rd.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
GSV

ethereal_reality Dec 10, 2020 11:08 PM

:previous: That's it!

Thanks Hoss. :)

ethereal_reality Dec 10, 2020 11:26 PM

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I just found this 1970s view of Pensick & Gordon on flickr


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/cTOgwu.jpg
flickr

"At this time all boarded up and abandoned. Today, it has been converted into lofts as part of the clean up of Downtown.
On the corner of 3rd and Santa Fe Ave. The structure was built in 1907 and was originally a wholesale grocers."
. ...emd



"My dad worked there for years from 1956 til he retired in 1975 He was a truck driver and warehouseman.
They had the best company picnics at Elysian Park. Free toys for all the kids."
......perezcathy



Free toys for the kids at the company picnic! That is so cool. :)




I know we have seen this building on NLA but a search for 'Pensick' resulted in no hits.

odinthor Dec 11, 2020 12:36 AM

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The original builder would be the wholesale grocer R.L. Craig & Co.

https://i.postimg.cc/KvfrkswN/RLCraig-LAT-07-6-2.jpg
LA Times of 6/2/1907, via ProQuest via CSULB Library

(The illustration referred to in the article is too murky to be of any benefit.)

ScottyB Dec 11, 2020 7:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9130274)
:previous:

Thanks Hoss. Finally a tear-down and replace I'm happy to sign on to! The structure actually is pretty handsome in its way (though that pink-flowering tree, which is probably based on a photo of a Flowering Peach variety, well, no way is it going to grow that big in some tub or container like that).

I quite like the fact that they evidently plan to dip passers-by in quicklime, no doubt as a health precaution.


:haha::haha:

HossC Dec 11, 2020 1:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9130470)

I just found this 1970s view of Pensick & Gordon on flickr


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/cTOgwu.jpg
flickr

"At this time all boarded up and abandoned. Today, it has been converted into lofts as part of the clean up of Downtown.
On the corner of 3rd and Santa Fe Ave. The structure was built in 1907 and was originally a wholesale grocers."
. ...emd

It's now known as the Toy Warehouse Lofts. From toywarehouselofts.net:
The Toy Warehouse Lofts, converted in 2001, was the first of the derelict downtown commercial buildings to be made into live-work space under the Los Angeles Adaptive Reuse Ordinance. In 1907 grocer R. L. Craig commissioned architects Morgan And Walls to design a new warehouse for his growing business. The firm, noted in succeeding years for several downtown buildings including the Richfield Tower and several theaters, created the three-level structure with understated but elegant brickwork. Craig died before the building became operational and his wife, Nancy Tuttle Craig, took over and built the business into the largest grocery distributor in the city. The operation quickly outgrew the building and Mrs Craig, one of the most successful businesswomen in early Los Angeles, moved to a larger warehouse nearby.

Today, the lower level houses administrative offices and the student bookstore for Sci Arc, whose main campus is across the street, and Hammer and Spear, a curated specialty shop offering personal and home care products along with unique found objects.

The upper two floors were converted into 20 loft-style condos and are inhabited by a mixture of creative people including artists, musicians, poets, photographers, jewelers, and writers.

odinthor Dec 11, 2020 9:37 PM

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It appears that the Toy Warehouse folks have conflated two different structures for R.L. Craig and Co.

R.L. Craig himself died June 27, 1901, at the tender age of 41 . . .

https://i.postimg.cc/j2n5Hpwn/RLCraig-LAT-01-6-28.jpg
LA Times, 6/28/1901; first paragraph of a much much longer article, with a picture of Mr. Craig.

. . . just as arrangements for the R.L. Craig Co. for a structure which was one previous to the Toy Warehouse building were coming to fruition:

https://i.postimg.cc/6qMkQq5d/RLCraig-LAT-01-6-30.jpg
LA Times, 6/30/1901


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