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Noir_Noir Jun 17, 2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8953911)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/61jWyL.jpg
heather david/flickr

The stylized 'Grecian' lettering is έπακρο! ............................................(GREAT!)

Luckily, the sign was saved from a scrap heap by one Eric Lynxwiler and it can now be found at the Museum of Neon Art in nearby Glendale.


My question is:
Where was the Zodiac Room sign in situ? Was it above the entrance to the bar?
I don't recall seeing it in any vintage photographs of the place. (probably because I wasn't looking for it)


Here's a 1958 permit plan for the placement of a Zodiac Room sign.


https://i.imgur.com/AQFjvfd.jpg
ladbsdoc.lacity.org


:shrug:

Bristolian Jun 17, 2020 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8953911)
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I have always had an interest in cheesy motel bars (no doubt from watching too many episodes of Mannix and Cannon growing up)
It seems that motel bars are, more often than not, havens for dirty deals and prostitution. (I watched too many episodes of The Rockford Files too)

The interior of the Olympia Motor Hotel's Zodiac Room in GW's brochure caught my eye.

I'm right there with you, e_r. I also think any bar that calls itself a "Room" is going to be interesting. The previously discussed Alabi Room on Washington Bl. has to be about as good as it gets when it comes to bar names.

ethereal_reality Jun 17, 2020 6:36 PM

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Bristolian, here's the Executive 'Room' on Wilshire Blvd. back in 1978. ....hmmm. . . I wonder what kind of 'entertainment' they had?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/S8utqv.jpg
Laskey/lapl

sidenote: In high school I had a bright red Mustang exactly like that gray one.




Here's the complete photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SkXfcn.jpg

That's quite a fancy-smancy entrance they rigged up.


Link

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riichkay Jun 17, 2020 7:13 PM

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"Son can you play me a memory I'm not really sure how it goes..." Music is the greatest distillery of truth, emotion and soul. Billy Joel's monster 1st single Piano Man (1973) was born in the Executive Room (3953 Wilshire, LA) where he spent 6 months in 1972 under an assumed name Bill Martin. His 1st album had a mastering error and failed. Joel wanted to leave that label to join Columbia Records but couldn't leave his contract. So he played here 6 months while in legal limbo under a different name as lawyers tried to free him. Joel met his first wife Elizabeth Weber here. "The waitress is practicing politics." That's her. "John at the bar" was an actual bartender here. "Paul is a real estate novelist" refers to an actual customer named Paul (a real estate broker) writing here every night, aspiring to be the next great American novelist. And then there was Bill Martin..."He says, Bill, I believe this is killing me..And the piano sounds like a carnival. And the microphone smells like a beer.And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar...And say, Man what are you doing here?"

https://findery.com/Chung123/notes/b...executive-room

HossC Jun 17, 2020 7:24 PM

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Here's some of the demo permit for 3951-73 Wilshire Boulevard from 9/6/85. :(

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...1Wilshire1.jpg
www.ladbs.org

Bristolian Jun 17, 2020 8:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8954508)
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/S8utqv.jpg
Laskey/lapl

sidenote: In high school I had a bright red Mustang exactly like that gray one.

Mustang II - I'm sorry to hear that ;)

Martin Pal Jun 17, 2020 9:07 PM

^^^

Tnat's only the second photo, first in color, I've ever seen of a Chicken Delight in Los Angeles, though growing up comedians used to constantly use it in jokes, especially Carson, if I recall. I thought it was made up for the longest time.

Here's that first photo I ever saw, that HossC posted, and turns out it was in Lynwood:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=42484

This one is from a short post on KooKoo California. No date, it just says the building is still there on Hollywood Blvd., but it's not a Chicken Delight anymore.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IJ9dVJfrh...ywood-Blvd.JPGKooKooCA

odinthor Jun 18, 2020 3:06 AM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8952570)
The architect Edward Neisser [...]
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131-133 South Los Angeles Street:

https://i.postimg.cc/R0p9yM54/Neisse...-7-27-1902.jpg
LA Times, 7/27/1902

Correction: That should have been North Los Angeles Street; my mis-read!

ethereal_reality Jun 18, 2020 3:39 AM

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I just happened upon this AMAZING phootgraph on an auction site.

Harry Houdini - Strait Jacket Escape - Herald Examiner Building, Los Angeles c.1920

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/lircej.jpg
bidsquare

I was hoping Houdini would be hanging upside down but it appears he has just finished his escape. ...Unless I'm mistaken he's down in the crowd.






Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/GHLuDE.jpg
detail

I'm still not sure it's him but look at the wooden contraption that was assembled up on the building. ...I'm curious about the tarps too.





Our last hope.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/V12ZPS.jpg
detail

hmmm. . .it's either Houdini or a plucked chichen.



Link....Estimate $400 - $500.

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GaylordWilshire Jun 18, 2020 12:01 PM

:previous:


https://i.postimg.cc/C5R4MZS2/houdiniarticle-UTTTTT.jpg
LA Examiner, April 5, 1923

From Wild About Harry

(In looking around for more info, it seems that rival papers "overlooked" the Examiner's big promo....

GaylordWilshire Jun 18, 2020 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8954508)

Bristolian, here's the Executive 'Room' on Wilshire Blvd. back in 1978. ....hmmm. . . I wonder what kind of 'entertainment' they had?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/S8utqv.jpg
Laskey/lapl


Before the Executive Room and Chicken Delight, there was this:

https://i.postimg.cc/YCLX3FHC/WBand-...cyapts-bmp.jpg


Image is from my survey of the post-residential boulevard, Wilshire After Its Houses--as are those below, which we've seen on NLA before.


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HDwED5upd...mWiltonSKY.bmp

https://i.postimg.cc/wvSJ9wvC/WBGramercy2-bmp.jpg

Noir_Noir Jun 18, 2020 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8954508)
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Bristolian, here's the Executive 'Room' on Wilshire Blvd. back in 1978. ....hmmm. . . I wonder what kind of 'entertainment' they had?


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/SkXfcn.jpg


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Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 8954552)

"Son can you play me a memory I'm not really sure how it goes..." Music is the greatest distillery of truth, emotion and soul. Billy Joel's monster 1st single Piano Man (1973) was born in the Executive Room (3953 Wilshire, LA) where he spent 6 months in 1972 under an assumed name Bill Martin. His 1st album had a mastering error and failed. Joel wanted to leave that label to join Columbia Records but couldn't leave his contract. So he played here 6 months while in legal limbo under a different name as lawyers tried to free him. Joel met his first wife Elizabeth Weber here. "The waitress is practicing politics." That's her. "John at the bar" was an actual bartender here. "Paul is a real estate novelist" refers to an actual customer named Paul (a real estate broker) writing here every night, aspiring to be the next great American novelist. And then there was Bill Martin..."He says, Bill, I believe this is killing me..And the piano sounds like a carnival. And the microphone smells like a beer.And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar...And say, Man what are you doing here?"

https://findery.com/Chung123/notes/b...executive-room




Video Link




Three interior shots from the Executive Room.



https://i.imgur.com/zfgRH0P.jpg
popspotsnyc.com


https://i.imgur.com/TpGnsLx.jpg
popspotsnyc.com

https://i.imgur.com/v6mhAQ8.jpg
popspotsnyc.com

ethereal_reality Jun 18, 2020 11:57 PM

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If you look closely the padded bar that you see in the corner has the curvy shape of a grand piano. The piano Joel used was an old upright. . .so . . .umm. .tacky.


It's explained better here:

"When not in use the piano was moved to the back hallway which led to the restrooms. They would slide the piano up next to the "piano bar" which was shaped to give the first glance illusion of a grand piano, but since the piano was an upright, it would stick up above it."
popspotnyc

Thanks for pointing out Billy Joel's connection to the Executive Room, riichkay





It appears there was another Executive Room in town.

This one in the Hotel Savoy Plaza at Grand & 6th.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/gEPc64.jpg
eBay

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/WJIYly.jpg

I hardly remember this hotel. It must have gone by a different name the majority of the time.



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Martin Pal Jun 19, 2020 12:59 AM

I saw this unusual photo on eBay. It's a photo of Hollywood Blvd. taken through a window.
(I had to hotlink it, by the way, so it'll disappear at some point.)

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Z-MAA...Xz/s-l1600.jpgeBay

The photo is taken toward the southeast corner of Hollywood and Highland Ave. At first glance I thought it might have been taken from the National Bank building across the street, but quickly realized it's diagonally across the intersection, so it must have been taken from the Hollywood Hotel.

I deduced the movies playing at the Hollywood Theatre as Earth vs. the Flying Saucers and The Werewolf, which, according to IMDB, both premiered in July of 1956. The Hollywood Hotel was torn down/demolished in August of 1956, so that might account why there's no curtains on the window or awnings outside of it.

I wonder which window it may have been taken from?

https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-g.../HA-024-33.jpgHollywod Photographs

On the left of the eBay photo there looks to be some concrete sort of steps on the left directly outside the window which you can see something like that on the right center of the Hotel photo above.

The watermark is unfortunately covering up the entrances of Coffee Dan's, the Bank of America and a couple other businesses.

I just found another photo, HERE, from the same eBay seller that is taken on the street corner below facing east that shows the Hollywood Theatre marquee clearly (now I see it!). The words at top are Hugh Marlowe. Oklahoma is playing down at the Egyptian and two sailors are on the corner in front of the National Bank building.

ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2020 3:44 PM

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That's a great find, Martin Pal. It's interesting to see the inside frame of the window and how run down it looks. (the glass is missing too)

The photograph was no doubt taken shortly before the hotel was torn down in 1956. (or was it 1957 )


Just for fun (and for newcomers): Here's an aerial of the Hollywood Hotel taken in 1930.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/N2cjNI.jpg
kcet/lapl

I wonder what's going on in the white tents. (maybe we've already discussed the white tents & I've just forgotten)


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Martin Pal Jun 19, 2020 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8956513)
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:previous:

That's quite a find, Martin Pal. It's interesting to see the inside frame of the window and how run down it looks. (it appears the glass is missing too)

The photograph was no doubt taken shortly before the hotel was torn down in 1956. (or was it 1957 )


Just for fun (and for newcomers): Here's an aerial of the Hollywood Hotel taken in 1930.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/N2cjNI.jpg
kcet/lapl

I wonder what's going on in the white tents. (maybe we've already discussed the white tents & I've just forgotten)


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E_R, that photo cannot be from 1930, because the Hollywood First National Bank Building was built in 1927 and it would be in the bottom right of that photo in 1930. I'm placing your photo at no later than 1926.

A 1924 view of that corner with the original bank building:


https://waterandpower.org/4%20Histor...hland_1924.jpgUSC

I was first thinking the tents might possibly be for a premiere at the Chinese Theatre, which opened in 1927. Maybe it was for the groundbreaking?

http://graumanschinese.org/timeline/...ndbreaking.jpgChineseTheatre.org
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Sources say the Hollywood Hotel was razed in August, 1956. One of the last, perhaps the last, film that shows the Hotel in it is Man in the Vault. By the time the film was released in December of 1956, the Hotel was history.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8956513)
.It's interesting to see the inside frame of the window and how run down it looks. (it appears the glass is missing too)
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I was going to say the glass was missing, too, but I wasn't quite sure.

keizers Jun 19, 2020 10:20 PM

Almost certainly Pico and Rimpau because the sign says they accept Santa Monica Bus Tokens... and Cooper Lumber was at 4650 W. Pico, adjacent to the turnaround's west side. Today it's a Starbucks (of course).

ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2020 11:50 PM

Which post are you referring to keizers? I may be able to help out.

kznyc2k Jun 20, 2020 2:06 AM

Hello all. In a previous chapter of my life I was here all the freaking time (circa 2011-13) but life and personal interests move on and so did I. I still love LA and its history immensely, and I learned a ridiculous amount about the city from this thread, but unfortunately I almost never visit here any more.

ANYWAY, I started to colorize this shot of the 6th Street Bridge from the 1930s probably back in like 2014 in Photoshop but like many creative endeavors I more or less abandoned it, and in the name of cleaning up my computer's memory I came across this file and decided I had to finish it off. Of all the shots I've come across from LA's classic noir period, this is damn near my favorite... there's something very forlorn and evocative about not only the view with those untamed river banks and the gasometer but also in the hazy sky and grainy look.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fe3508da_b.jpg

Now it's debatable whether I should've gone with a blue sky, but for whatever reason I have a much harder time bringing a scene to life with gray skies than I do blue. So I had to make an executive decision and roll with blue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5ebab1e9_b.jpg

Now in doing these, my main objective is to make the image feel more present than the original artifact. It isn't about improving, or making it more real or whatever... it's about bringing out details that hopefully pull you into the shot and into the place of the photographer a little bit more than the original. Fingers crossed that I did that for you, my dear noirish fans.

:cheers:

Lorendoc Jun 20, 2020 6:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8957146)
Which post are you referring to keizers? I may be able to help out.

I think he may be referring to your post https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=26642


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