While anything's possible, Foote would be far more likely. I've heard of people with the name Foote, but never Hoote.

My first thought was "Hoote", but a) the seller had "Foote", b) there's a flourish across the top of the letter, and c) as Those Who Squirm said, Foote seemed more likely. LAPL's City Directories seem to be down for me at the moment, otherwise I'd have checked before I posted the images.

I can imagine that the specialized stylus was particularly necessary if this was before ballpoints came into widespread use. You certainly didn't want to use the delicate point of your dip-pen in a contraption like this, and fountain pens must have been right out, given that they could sometimes leak in your shirt pocket just sitting there.

I wish I could tell you. But I do know that LAHS was still a few years away from moving to its present site, Olympic and Rimpau. This was somewhere downtown, but I've never been 100% clear on where it was exactly, what with the radical street re-alignments and leveling of entire hills that went on in the post WW II era.

Regarding the address below, does anybody know any details as to when and how house numbers were standardized citywide? From reproductions of relevant ads, directories, and other materials I've seen from the same general period, it seems to have been a hopeless hodgepodge. Some businesses and residents used modern addresses, i.e. nothing with fewer than three digits, while others continued to use two digits like the one below.

As late as 1926, the Avila House condemnation notice identified it as 24 - 26 Olvera, leading me to think that obscure alleys and other small streets were the last to change. But then Spring is certainly a major thoroughfare, isn't it? And this address was presumably just north of Temple, assuming that it was then the baseline for north and south addresses, as it is today.

Venice west of Main was allowed to remain aloof from the renumbering, but AFAIK residents and businesses everywhere else in the city fell in with the new order. (I don't count Chester Place since it's now a college campus, rather than an ordinary neighborhood.)

I've been wondering about this for many, many years, and have yet to come up with a single, solitary clue anywhere online, or elsewhere for that matter. I wouldn't know where to begin with offline sources. It's easy enough to find examples that suggest and indicate possibilities. But what I'd really like to know is how the decision came about and how it was implemented. Who advocated for it, and when?

Maybe the plane is titled the "Los Angeles Airdrome" and it was in another city or state? Perhaps?

I remember that Copper Penny on La Brea in the early 1980's.
Across the street from Tiny Naylor's. Was the Copper Penny where the Carolina Pines was?

I believe I also remember a Copper Penny on Sunset Blvd. across the street from the Hollywood Athletic Guild (6525 Sunset Boulevard). At Sunset and what is now Schrader Blvd., formerly Hudson and before that Dae Avenue. It seems to me it's some kind of a check cashing or Western Union place now.

I don't know about businesses, but I can tell you that one of the oldest, if not the oldest, same-site LAUSD school is San Pedro Street ES, which has been there since early in the Johnson administration--that's Andrew, not Lyndon! Of course, this being L.A. all the buildings are much newer.

Thanks! And thanks for the clarification. In L.A., LBJ's administration qualifies as historical architecture!

It would be odd for a plane to be called an airdrome. Airdrome (or aerodrome) is an old fashioned word for airport or air field. Besides, there's no reason they couldn't fly this plane from LAX to BUR.

Yes, the Pines Jr was replaced by the Penny.


https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7166/6...bf8e18ef_b.jpghttps://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7166/6...bf8e18ef_b.jpg


Another view of La Brea looking south toward Sunset.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...108_o.jpg?dl=1https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...108_o.jpg?dl=1

:previous:

I spy the Roosevelt Hotel roof sign peaking through the trees above the Copper Penny in the above photo.

Tiny Naylor's; part of a "3-D stereo slide" circa 1952.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6068/6...31e2fb20_z.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6068/6132025584_a931e2fb20_z.jpg

'mystery' location. (recently found on ebay)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/EPvdyh.jpg
ebay

I could be wrong, but I think the red car is coming from the elevated station at the Pacific Electric Building on 6th and Main streets.
What makes this a 'mystery' is the street in the foreground. I don't believe we've seen this vantage point before on NLA.

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"Santa Fe Engine, Los Angeles 1975."

I'm curious about this 'cut' the train is traveling through.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...909/CvEWZ9.jpg
ebay





In this second photograph, the photographer appears to be standing on a bridge (or pedestrian walkway). The engineer is looking at him.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/Piidy8.jpg
ebay

So where was this 'cut' located? Is it still there?
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This is an interesting house HossC.

So are these three elements there just there to ventilate the attic? Usually they're not so elaborate.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...537/mmc89o.jpg
ebay

And look where the chimney on the left is located. That's fairly odd as well.
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I'm really impressed you found the house HossC, since the name of the street on the back of the photo was wrong!

Santa Fe westbound at Grand Terrace in Colton
 

The cut is still there. The location is next to La Cadena Blvd, the old main drag between Colton and Riverside. On the hill is the big Stater Bros distributution center, which is no longer there. Here are the coords: 34.03657, -117.33220

:previous: -thanks Pdxrailtransit. I'll check it out on Google Earth.



Streetcars at 7th and Alvarado streets. (no date)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...909/EyRc8s.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-LAB...item54187f6b46


...and today.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/uvmeES.png
GSV




This is a very nice looking building. Does anyone know it's history? (maybe we've discussed it before...I don't remember )

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/9ABwP0.png
GSV

-note the Westlake Theater roof-top sign in the distance. (up Alvarado)
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"Buses at the Macy Yards." (1950s?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/19qpQB.jpg
ebay

At extreme right there's a propped up wooden wall with a scalloped top, as well as a building next to it.
Also, the bridge in the distance has wooden supports underneath on either side of the span (makes it look more like a trestle).
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Lamar Street
 

Hats off to Ed Workman, Looking4OldLA, Killeye, and fhammon on the Lamar Street 950. I am convinced you all are right because of the Sanborn maps below. I've made notes on both the maps and photos. The buildings line up well.

South end of line (cafes):
http://i.imgur.com/II3y76R.jpg

Corresponding Sanborn map:
http://i.imgur.com/R496lWE.jpg
LAPL

This shows the original location of the San Antonio Winery at 737 Lamar (champagne of course!). On the east side of the street is a bungalow court (762, dark blue) and, circled in purple, a couple of old gasoline pumps (?). The front grill of the light-colored car in front of Thelma's looks like a prehistoric fish. Stuff of nightmares.

950 seen a block north of the above:
http://i.imgur.com/6n2xpQY.jpg

...and the Sanborn map:
http://i.imgur.com/sJ7CBL9.jpg
LAPL

The Sanborn map does not show the track division (for passing?) but it does show the one floor porch (green) on the apartment at 649 (red).

The city directories do not reveal who cafe-mistresses Thelma or Amelia were. Amelia's was owned by Richard and Frances Lasky. Thelma's was run by Edward and Barbara Schneider.

The Santa Fe wines, prominently advertised on the south side of the Celaya Grocery, were products of the Santa Fe Vintage Company, according to a 1955 trade paper, "the largest and by far the most important winery in the Los Angeles district and located in downtown Los Angeles." - see http://www.oldandsold.com/articles02/losangeles2.shtml.

Something bothered me about the trolley pictures: The sign (maroon circle) present on one is absent on the other. The Lamar street track just ends without any turnaround. The trolley pole suggests the Thelma's picture was taken just as 950 started heading back north towards Main Street. The Celaya picture shows the car still headed south, so I guess it was taken first. Apparently someone had to get out at the end of the line and manually switch the head sign to the other end of the car?

Celaya is a city in Guanajuato, Mexico. The CDs indicate the grocery was run by Ezequiel Ramos and persisted at least until 1956:
http://i.imgur.com/KXeB2RL.jpg
LAPL

Yost?
 

Have we seen this on Noirish LA before?
Any ideas what? Where? WTF?

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...15/01/yost.jpg

Are those owls on the former Owl Drug Store?

http://i.imgur.com/FH3eIsX.jpg

:tup: I love historic buildings!

This is a disturbing image.

I think the signs say "Yost Sweet Shop" and they obviously were selling ice cream cones in addition to "Eastside Soda-Water."

A minor googling found: http://www.ca-yd.com/textfile/bottles/ACLWEB_E.HTM
which lists bottles of "Eastside Beverages" produced by the "Los Angeles Brewing Co. of San Bernardino [sic]. Fwiw, those mountains in the back of the shot could be the San Bernardinos...

Another streetcar picture from eBay. The seller has this one labeled as San Pedro, 8/1958.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...o.jpg~original
eBay

The Tourist Hotel on the left didn't help to narrow down the location, but then I remembered the image below which I originally posted in post #18577. The building on the far left of the picture above is the San Pedro Pacific Electric Station on S Harbor Boulevard. It's now the site of Gibson Park, although the Downtown Station for the restored Red Cars is close by.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...EStationSP.jpg
www.portoflosangeles.org - Lo-res.
www.portoflosangeles.org - Hi-res.

Streetcar Dash Signs and #950

PR and LARy Dash signs were set on two hooks and placed on the car just before departure from the carhouse, or other terminal points. The sign was on the front, so prospective passengers could identify the route to be taken- note on the maps that several routes used the same streets as they got closer to downtown. I can't read the dash sign on 950, but as I cautioned previously, the sign may or may not be correct- fantrips were a chance to make a photograph of a car with any sign of choice, for various reasons- unless it sez 'Railraod Boosters" beware.
Loops were seldom used until the streamlined PCC cars were assigned to a route. The loop at LAUPT and possibly Pico/Rimpau being exceptions, Older cars were 'reversed' by setting switches on the controllers- one each end, raising and lowering poles to correspond to the new direction , and changing the dash sign In some cases the sign might read for the OTHER end of the line. Oh here was one set of control handles- the motoman kept them in his possesion and out of the hands of potential miscreants at the back platform
After the fender ordinance was passed, changing ends could have required hauling the heavy fender - the basket like thingy- from back to front. When the PSS arrived in the late 30s , the external fender was allowed to be replaced by the "Lifeguard" under the platforms. However, it took some effort apparently to convince the City that lifeguards were ok- LARY prepared a drawing that depicted how to mount the b folding basket Eclipse fender on the new cars- Rather like a large mustache on a pretty lady. INstead of catching the wayward pedestrian in front of the car, a vertical lattice just under the front tripped another lattice farther back but ahead of the wheels. The front of that lattice fell to the ground to scoop up the unfortunates

mystery' location. (recently found on ebay)
by Ethereal Reality PE blimp on the ramp

The car will turn to the left [its right] and be on San Pedro Street,headed south on the tracks of the Los Angeles Municipal Railway. Although the stub terminal tracks at 6th and main had been extended over Los Angeles St., all movements off Main into the terminal had to reverse and re-enter Main. Main had dual gage tracks to serve LARy and PE, so the crush of cars overwhelmed Main St. Bion Arnold, a consultant from CHicago proposed that PE lines extend to new tracks on San Pedro so that cars could loop thru the terminal one-way, eventually that was accomplished. The City of LA built the line from Aliso to 9th and PE leased it- dunno what financial arrangements LARy made. AT about the same time, LA was concerned about RR access to San Pedro Harbor at the end of the 'Shoestring" annexation, and proposed a municipal line for freight, so there can be confusion . Those plans died when LA et. al. came to terms with SP in a solution local to the harbor. PE owned land across San Pedro, behind the photographer, for extension of the elevated to and across the LA River, but politics and economics prevented that from happening. Had it been realized, perhaps the PE to Pasadena might have survived another decade- as the state highway department would not have needed to evict PE from Aliso St in favor of the 101

According to the County Assessor's office the building at 694 S. Alvarado was built in 1928. A report from 1983, prepared when they were building the subway through the area lists it as being a historic building. It is called the Bilak Building in some new listings, but this appears to be a modern name as there is a Dorian Bilak who is listed as current owner. He is indicated to be a third generation real estate developer/ investor, so it is possible that his family built the building.

The building did house an "Owl Drugstore" as is evidenced by the script on the sign beyond the second streetcar.

:previous: Thanks for the info. oldstuff. -much appreciated.





Coincidentally, I found this photograph on ebay last night.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/ZFclWy.jpg
ebay

-note the Gay bar at extreme left. ;)
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Street-car painted for War Bonds.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/O693qs.jpg
ebay

I'm not sure where this extreme curve was located.
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I noticed that this postcard (1960s?) shows one of the two parcels of land that was cleared for the Renaissance Apartment complex.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/BdXnoQ.jpg
ebay

I didn't realize there had been that many individual buildings at that location. (or across Temple street for that matter, but they've been gone longer)




Here's an aerial of that parcel of land. (I've turned it upside down to approximate the vintage postcard)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/LV6JWv.png
google_earth
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The other cleared parcel was the site of the massive Renaissance Apartment fire several months ago.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/i4UVzJ.png
ktla

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/WTTu6j.png
ktla

below: site of the fire.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...661/KCKAwX.png
google_earth

We've covered the fire here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24962

and here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24963

....and numerous other posts.
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Thank you also for your great work. It's wonderful. With your map, can you help me to identify the building on North Main Street in the background please ?

Do you remember ? A murder was committed in 1952 in front of 663 Lamar Street (Post 9274) - More pics here : http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...oll44/id/41940

There's a museum at San Antonio Winery. If anyone is interested... ;)

:previous: I agree, Lorendoc's in-depth post was a joy to behold. -and thanks to everyone else who identified Lamar Street.

It isn't exactly a major thoroughfare.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/zZuHbN.png
www.bigmapblog.com
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...and I had forgotten about the 1952 murder at 663 Lamar Street Killeye.

MichaelRyerson didn't include this particular photograph in his earlier post, so I thought I'd go ahead and post it here.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/jC1d1c.png
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...oll44/id/41940

It's a bit strange that a couple of the people are smiling for the photograph.
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...661/3CNPGj.png
www.spanishdict.com

"Santa Fe R.R. Roundhouse, Los Angeles Oct. 1949."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/B2IODj.jpg
ebay

It appears to be a very gritty place, even back in 1949.
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Lamar street today
 

No more Thelma's or Amelia's cafes today and all the neighborhood life that surrounded them. The street became merely industrial.

I had occasion to ride by there recently, and even though in the photos it looks close to the freeway, it is quite unbelievably close. I sincerely wondered who in their right mind would want to live practically right on the freeway.

I love this evocative photo, E_R!

According to this wikipedia page [P (Los Angeles Railway)] -- HERE -- this location was most likely
the Pico & Rimpau Loop, the Western Terminus of the "P" Line from Rowan & Brooklyn (as seen on the car in the photo).

Here's an aerial photo of the location.

http://harrymarnell.net/rimpausky.jpgUSGS/Harry Marnell

HossC has an excellent post about this area from last April, Post #21088, with several photographs including this one from USC dated April 12, 1937:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...icoRimlau3.jpg

:previous:

I may be wrong that E_R's War Bond car photo was taken at the Rimpau Loop.

I discovered this photo:

http://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...Rowan-loop.jpgRalph Cantos Collection

...which has this information:

Los Angeles Railway PCC no. 3016 models the first of the World War II patriotic-themed paint jobs. In this October 1942 view, the 3016 awaits its departure time at the very busy Dozier & Rowan loop at the east end of the P line. The colors of the car were red-white-and blue. The 3016 was officially dubbed "The Victory Special."

So, the photo may be (?) at the other end of the line at the Dozier & Rowan loop, and the building behind the car in the photo does look like the building in E_R's post, though I cannot find any photos of this particular "loop" as yet.

:previous:

The picture below was posted by e_r in post #21112. It was identified by WS1911 as "the end of the line for the P car at Dozier and Rowan in Boyle Heights" in the next post.

More on LATL 950
 

Hi Folks,

My wife and I have been out of town helping our daughter with her new baby so I am a little bit late in commenting on the two photos shown here.

Ed Workman correctly identified the location in Post25587, but was off a bit on the date, an easy thing to do given the automobiles in the second photo. While this was a railfan excursion, it was not the Railroad Boosters trip of 1938, but rather the Southern California Electric Railway Association trip of June 16th, 1950. Note the light colored 1950 Pontiac convertible parked at the curb opposite the 950. Also, a color photo of Car 950 on that same trip can be seen here under the title 950 on Eagle Rock Boulevard:

http://www.pacificelectric.org/categ...ailway/5-line/

As Ed noted, the trackage on Lamar Street terminated near SP’s Lamar Street Roundhouse and Los Angeles General Shops. This trackage was operated as a shuttle service for SP employees and the dash sign did not carry a number or letter route designation, merely S.P. Shops, as seen on this sign in my collection. Also, not that there is no route designation in the square box on the roof, as this car was not in regular service on this day.The V-Line sign was added by one of the fans. In answer to Lorendoc's questions, 1., these were two sided signs. The reverse usually designated a "turnback" car that would terminate it's run short of the end of the line. The signs would be swapped by the operator at each end of the line when the car reversed its direction, although it was not uncommon for a sign to be carried at each end eliminating the need to swap ends. 2., The photo of 950 on the single track is taken near the end of the Larmar Street trackage. SP Workers would disembark here and walk to the roundhouse and shops.

http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/...psc32cipu3.jpg

Perhaps the most unique and noirish thing about the two photos is the 950 herself. She is a one-off car classified as Type E, and was originally one of two LARY funeral cars, Descanso (Peace) and Paraiso (Paradise). These two cars swapped names over time and this is explained on the Orange Empire Railway website.

Prior to wide spread use of the automobile, many street railways offered Funeral Car services to cemeteries along their routes. The Descanso was built by LARY in August 1911 with two compartments, one running crosswise behind a separate motorman's compartment at the front of the car for the deceased's casket and immediately behind a second for the mourners. Luxuriously appointed in a chapel atmosphere with plush seats and stained glass windows, Descanso and Paraiso would often make as many as seven trips a day to the cemeteries along the system. However, This service was terminated in 1921 as automotive hearses came into vogue. In January 1922 LARY converted the Descanso into a PAYE (Pay As You Enter) “passenger” car by replacing the plush seats with wooden ones, removing the casket section and elegant stained glass and repainting the car from it’s original light gray into standard LARY Yellow. However, passengers were quick to recognize it as the old Descanso and refused to ride it!

In June of 1924 it was shopped a second time and given the appearance seen in these two pictures. At that time she was given the number 950 and designation Type E. She thereafter served mostly on the 5-Line until being sold for scrap on April 2, 1951, and taken to Terminal Island in July of that year to “give up the ghost”.

On July 3, 1940 the Paraiso was donated to the Railroad Boosters as Descanso and moved to Summit, California and placed beside the Santa Fe mainline for use as a clubhouse. She remained at Summit until 1967 when she was taken to the Orange Empire Railway museum and restored to her original appearance. See: http://www.oerm.org/collection/yello.../lary-descanso

Cheers,
Jack

Here's a couple other photos of wartime painted PE cars.

http://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...-Main-1942.jpgRalph Cantos Collection

PE officials stand beside PCC no. 5000 at 6th & Main in the early months of 1942. This was the first of two different NAVY paint jobs applied to the 5000 during the War. Another:

http://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...nk-undated.jpgDon Ross Collection

Location above noted as sometime at the end of the war years at the end of track in Burbank.


The Flying Tiger Car:

http://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...OOP-061044.jpgRalph Cantos Collection

The Los Angeles Railway, painted PCC no. 3010 in this very striking paint job. The 3010 was dubbed "The Flying Tiger Car."

The painted message on the side of the 3010 encouraged Los Angeles middle aged men and women who were not on the war front to "BECOME A TROLLEY PILOT" — a much needed asset to the War effort on the home front.

Here the 3010 poses on June 10,1944 at the Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal loop.

HossC, by way of e_r and WS1911, thanks for
the follow up on the Rowan & Dozier Loop.

This is the Rowan & Martin Loop: :haha:
http://assets.paleycenter.org/assets...oke-wall-1.gif

San Bernardino
 

Actually, another Inland Empire location, the old Santa Fe roundhouse in San Bernardino taken from the Mt. Vernon overpass looking northeast. You can just see a corner of one of the shops buildings. Everything in this photo is gone, replaced by an intermodal yard.

Killeye, here is the 1950 Sanborn map of the north side of North Main, seen looking north from Lamar, that you asked for.

http://i.imgur.com/mXbdqyM.jpg
LAPL

This was a mixed light industrial neighborhood. On the stretch of North Main in question, the 1942 CD has the likes of:

1767 - Electro-Arc Sales Co.
1773 - California Sheet Metal and Manufacturing Co.
1775 - Rommel Table Cloth Factory
1775 1/2 - Sabala Tortilla Factory

I'm not sure I would want to eat anything made next door to a metal-working facility.

And thanks Wig-Wag for the comments, and congrats on the new family member.

Mother Ginger & The Owl Drug building
 

That's the well-loved character, Mother Ginger. She's a traditional figure from folklore, but most know the version from Act II of "The Nutcracker" (she's usually played by a man, often on stilts). Her children, the eight little Polichinelles, live within her skirts.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-C...20904%2BPM.jpg
ballet theater of ohio

There was this: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11010

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/201...geles_05_2.jpg
USCDL



I hope everyone here is having a great 2015.

I also looked and it didn't match anything I could find in Los Angeles. Thanks
Pdxrailtransit for locating this.

Long time no see :) good to see you.