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Godzilla Nov 12, 2014 8:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5987872)
A few more (apologies for reposts):

1928, Wilshire and La Brea looking east. Dyas-Carlton Cafe (opened 1928) at left. Gilmore station on the NE corner with a Security Bank building beyond (pre Clements' black & gold replacement), Bank of Italy (before the name change to BofA) on the right:
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_..._Brea_1928.jpg

1929, looking east from Ridgeley and Wilshire. There's more 'Wilshire Specials' than anything else.
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...shire_1929.jpg

1930, looking west from Sycamore. Wilson Building at center bottom. Desmond's at center left. Tar Pits at upper center. Salt Lake Oil Field at right. Carthay Theater in the distance at upper left center:
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...shire_1930.jpg

1932, The Darkroom/Chandler's building (SE corner Wilshire and Cloverdale) is still Spanish Colonial Revival. Dyas-Carlton Cafe Building lower right corner next to a Standard Station:
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...rview_1932.jpg

all images: http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...1925%20+).html

The above and the pix BRR just posted of the Miracle Mile answer the question posed by the below:



The above drawing is of the building as built on the SE corner of Wilshire and Clovedale, future home of both The Darkroom (1935) and Chandler's Shoes, later given a Streamline remodel.

From Spanish Colonial Revival to Streamline to shapeless hodgepodge:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B...931%2520PM.jpg
Werner von Boltenstern Postcard Collection, Department of Archives and Special Collections, Loyola Marymount University Library

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...142%2520PM.jpg
gsv





Before the E. Clem Wilson Building. Wilshire and La Brea
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics25/00032439.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics25/00032439.jpg


E. Clem Wilson Bldg.
http://www.laobserved.com/assets/cle...-bldg-lapl.jpghttp://www.laobserved.com/assets/cle...-bldg-lapl.jpg

ethereal_reality Nov 12, 2014 8:35 PM

Did you know one of the most popular crooners of the 1940s was killed in a plane crash on Beverly Boulevard?


Buddy Clark died aged 37.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/ltNGV6.jpg
http://planetbarberella.blogspot.com...ent-buddy.html



-scene of the accident.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/bUEJyP.jpg
http://www.gmmy.com/crooners/clark/clarkphotos.html



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/cHnUHk.jpg
http://greatentertainersarchives.blo...-of-nedra.html


His first big smash hit was the song 'Linda' recorded in 1946....reaching number 1 in the Spring of 1947.
Actually, 'Linda' was more of a skit than a song and includes some spoken sections.

Here he is singing 'Linda' (I guarantee it will put a smile on your face)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/SRVyg1.png
click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynyn3UQPlWU

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Godzilla Nov 12, 2014 8:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6545336)
Broadway Palace Market
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/836/csve.jpg
ebay



The Schaber's Cafeteria building currently stands at 622 S. Broadway. I'm sure the postcard predates this wonderful building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/836/2ugr.jpg
GSV (this is out dated)


an earlier view from way back on page 304.


Does anyone have a photograph of the building that stood at 618-622 S. Broadway before Schaber's was built in 1928?
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Undated Schaber's sidewalk entrance
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007865.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007865.jpg

ethereal_reality Nov 12, 2014 8:47 PM

This is an excellent find HossC. I wondered if that building was still there-

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/Q2uANx.jpg
originally posted by HossC



What about the grayish building in the distance behind the medical arts building? (or did I miss that)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/745/YNjwGg.png
usc

I also didn't realize we were looking at a corner of Barnsdall Park...and I'm a big Frank Lloyd Wright fan.
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Godzilla Nov 12, 2014 9:03 PM




Aaron Bros. having a one cent sale?




Unk date and location. Framed auto displays
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062238.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062238.jpg


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062237.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062237.jpg



Used Car lot, unk location and date. MJB Coffee is what my percolator prefers.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062252.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062252.jpg

Godzilla Nov 12, 2014 9:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5682918)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1...artvintage.jpglaplLAPL
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4577/rampartgsv.jpgGoogleSV

While these two shots do not appear to be from the same vantage point, indeed they are. The view is east on 3rd
at Rampart Blvd. The vintage shot is a foreshortened view, which makes comparison here less than ideal...not to
mention the $%#&# tree at right in the recent shot.... Once I get there with my chainsaw, the white steeple at right
will appear in any newer Google Street View shots from Rampart in this direction.... Here it is almost unencumbered:


http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1...partchurch.jpgGoogleSV

The white steeple belongs to the Superet Light Center--which is not a convenience store or lamp shop but rather a
church of a denomination called the Superet Atom Aura Science (your questions answered here). I am sure that we
covered this building (at 2516 West 3rd) here before, but I had no luck searching for it.

The large building at top center in the vintage shot is the old St. Vincent Hospital building, now replaced; the dark
steeple to its right is that of St. Nicholas Cathedral, just recently completed (in 1950), and still on the southwest
corner of Grand View and 3rd.



~1924 - Third and Rampart billboard
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058604.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058604.jpg

HossC Nov 12, 2014 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6805029)

What about the grayish building in the distance behind the medical arts building? (or did I miss that)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/745/YNjwGg.png
usc

At first I thought it might be part of the Thirteenth Church of Christ Scientist (now the LA Full Gospel Church) at 1750 N Edgemont Street. Then I realized it's the extant Edgemont Manor Apartments at 1716 N Edgemont Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...montManor1.jpg
Google Maps

Here's the rather pleasant front view. From what I can find, the building dates from 1928.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...montManor2.jpg
GSV

CityBoyDoug Nov 13, 2014 3:38 AM

1934 Time to Fly
 
Burbank Airport, United Airlines. This is the way it looked to the passengers in 1934 about to board the big plane. Looks exciting to me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psd63b85d6.jpg
Burbankia

CityBoyDoug Nov 13, 2014 3:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6805010)
Did you know one of the most popular crooners of the 1940s was killed in a plane crash on Beverly Boulevard?


Buddy Clark died aged 37.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/ltNGV6.jpg
http://planetbarberella.blogspot.com...ent-buddy.html



Clark, a popular 44 year old singer, was among the dead. There seems to be some confusion over his actual age. Wiki says he was born in 1912....as Samuel Goldberg. The newspaper says that he was 44. To me he looks older than 37 in the photo I post here...but that's subjective. Maybe he fudged on his age.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psc2052811.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps110a4165.jpg
Reading Eagle~Google News

ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 5:33 PM

Ever since I came across this badly faded slide of Long Beach (that's the Villa Riviera in the distance) I've been trying to figure out where the photographer was standing,
(or sitting for that matter on that metal railing)

1960s
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/QEjeiG.jpg
ebay

Was the photographer in an elevated park?.....atop an embankment? It just looks peculiar to me. (and he/she cut off the top of the Villa Riviera!)
I can't think of the name of the other building behind the Villa Riviera.....

The single story apartments in the lower right corner are also intriguing. They almost look temporary...maybe post-war housing? I wonder how long they lasted in this prime location.
I thought HossC might be able to locate the area in one of his vintage aerials. :)
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ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 5:46 PM

Peter Putter's Plaster Pencil (try saying that three times real fast :)) -you would be correct.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/bNMgJD.jpg
ebay


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...901/LVVx3q.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...674/niaSH9.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/9IYFox.jpg

ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 6:09 PM

Aquaduct Accident, 1932

One man slips knocking fifteen workers down the hole!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/Fbunfz.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/xG9k3S.jpgebay

"The men were rushed to the hospital in Los Angeles 150 miles away." My God, they must have been out in the middle of nowhere!

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HossC Nov 13, 2014 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6806177)

Ever since I came across this badly faded slide of Long Beach (that's the Villa Riviera in the distance) I've been trying to figure out where the photographer was standing.

1960s
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/QEjeiG.jpg
ebay

Was the photographer in an elevated park?.....atop an embankment? It just looks peculiar to me. (and he/she cut off the top of the Villa Riviera!)
I can't think of the name of the other building behind the Villa Riviera.....

The single story apartments in the lower right corner are also intriguing. They almost look temporary...maybe post-war housing? I wonder how long they lasted in this prime location.
I thought HossC might be able to locate the area in one of his vintage aerials. :)

I had a go at correcting the colors (and tidying the sky). The building behind the Villa Riviera is the sadly demolished Pacific Coast Club.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...laRiviera1.jpg
Originally posted by e_r

Those single-story apartments appear on the aerial images from 1953 (the earliest for this area on Historic Aerials) and 1963. The one below is from 1953.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...laRiviera2.jpg
Historic Aerials

For comparison, here's the same area in 2004.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...laRiviera3.jpg
Historic Aerials

CityBoyDoug Nov 13, 2014 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6806295)
I had a go at correcting the colors (and tidying the sky). The building behind the Villa Riviera is the sadly demolished Pacific Coast Club.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...laRiviera1.jpg
Originally posted by e_r

Those single-story apartments appear on the aerial images from 1953 (the earliest for this area on Historic Aerials) and 1963. The one below is from 1953.

Thanks Hoss and ER for this walk down memory lane.

The X marks the approx. spot where this photo of my brother, my mother and myself was taken in about 1946. There was a city park along Ocean Blvd. at that location in those days.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psd78d2e7b.jpg
Historic Aerials ~ Originally posted by Hoss C

My brother, my mother and myself...Long Beach. I have no idea why we in Long Beach that day, as we lived in Glendale at that time.
My Mom's hair style was done by a new beautician girl who did a different style each week. That's the Villa Riviera in the background.
I'm sure this was a Sunday, as that was our going-out day. This was before my Mom was married to my stepfather who took this photo. [his previous wife Juanita
had committed suicide in the garage of their San Gabriel home a few months prior to this photo.]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps7b307732.jpg
Personal photo

ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 7:19 PM

:previous: What a wonderful photograph! Thanks for sharing it CityBoyDoug.
I just noticed the metal railing that appears in the 1960s slide is visible on the right. -very cool.

..and thanks for the comparative aerials HossC. Those one story apt. buildings didn't stand a chance of surviving.

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ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 7:33 PM

...and while we're down in Long Beach.

I had forgotten there was a giant mural on the façade of the old Long Beach Municipal Auditorium.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/633/Dj1l7f.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/QjYxfj.jpgebay

Was it saved?

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ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 7:37 PM

...and up in Santa Monica there was a waterspout closing in on a gas-o-meter!



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/Rps6ZE.jpg


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/hXtbbO.jpg
ebay

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HossC Nov 13, 2014 7:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6806241)

Aquaduct Accident, 1932

One man slips knocking fifteen workers down the hole!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/xG9k3S.jpgebay

"The men were rushed to the hospital in Los Angeles 150 miles away." My God, they must have been out in the middle of nowhere!

Here's the Grapevine siphon under construction in 1913.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ineSiphon1.jpg
Calisphere

Since the hospital where the workers were taken isn't named, I picked City Hall (admittedly not a hospital) as my arbitrary destination in Los Angeles. It turned out to be an exactly 150 mile journey. Even today, the travel time is estimated at 2 hours 20 minutes.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ineSiphon2.jpg
Google Maps

HossC Nov 13, 2014 7:47 PM

This is the house where 6-year-old Rochelle Gluskoter was living when she was kidnapped on February 15th, 1946 (exactly 11 months before Elizabeth Short died). She had been playing in the yard of a neighbor at 1113 E 85th Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...luskoter1a.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...luskoter1b.jpg
eBay

Here are Rochelle's parents talking to Detective Lt E M Renfro ...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...luskoter2a.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...luskoter2b.jpg
eBay

... and nearly two years later identifying their daughter's clothing.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...a.jpg~original
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...luskoter3b.jpg
eBay

Despite several suspects being questioned, Rochelle's kidnap and murder was never solved. The article below on the left covers the booking of an early suspect, Alonzo Flores. It's from the February 18, 1946 edition of the Spokane Daily Chronicle. The one on the right concerns the discovery of Rochelle's skeletal remains 21 months later. It's from the November 10, 1947 edition of the Chicago Tribune.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Gluskoter4.jpg
news.google.com/chicagotribune.com

I managed to find Rochelle's parents' marriage certificate. According to familysearch.org, Abe Gluskoter was born on July 17, 1913, while Miriam Gluskoter née Stein was born on November 9, 1915. It looks like the Gluskoters moved north later in life as both of their deaths took place in 1994 in Mcminnville, Yamhill, Oregon. Abe Gluskoter died on October 13, 1994, six months after Miriam, who died on April 6, 1994.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Gluskoter5.jpg
familysearch.org

The Gluskoter's house at 1125 E 87th Street (as seen in the top picture) is still there. The street doesn't appear to be gated or private, yet neither the Googlemobile or the Bingmobile have ground-level images from there. This is as close as I could get.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Gluskoter6.jpg
Google Maps

More information on the case can be found on websleuths.com.

ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 8:36 PM

:previous: Very interesting HossC. What a sad noirish story. :(



Quote:

Originally Posted by salpytalian (Post 6398837)
Toddle House
5963 W. Washington Blvd, Los Angeles CA
"Girls A Poppin"
• Five solid hours of entertainment • Open 7 nights a week • No Cover • No admission charge • Free parking

http://25.media.tumblr.com/3ba90f80b...ytj1o1_500.jpg
Scan from my personal collection of matchbook covers

So, I could not find a single thing on this place. I've been researching and haven't found any leads yet. It’s almost as if it never existed… Does anyone recognize this or have any info? :???:

Not to be mistaken with the Toddle House chain of restaurants between the 1920's-80's.

_________________________________________

HossC wrote:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/X9aVvr.png
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Salpytalian and HossC,

I haven't found any photographs of the elusive Toddle House, but this matchbook I recently found includes an illustration of the place.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/UViu0J.jpg
ebay

It would have set directly on the west bank of Ballona Creek.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/tvcOdS.png
google_aerial



You can see Ballona Creek in the screengrab below. The new building that is situated on the old Toddle House site is the Culver City Arts Center.
CityBoyDoug showed us the Culver City arts Center in an earlier post. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18728

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/gDdYpM.png
GSV
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ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 8:47 PM

re: The injured aquaduct workers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6806404)
Since the hospital where the workers were taken isn't named, I picked City Hall (admittedly not a hospital) as my arbitrary destination in Los Angeles.
It turned out to be an exactly 150 mile journey. Even today, the travel time is estimated at 2 hours 20 minutes.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ineSiphon2.jpg
Google Maps

All I can say is, I hope their injuries weren't serious.....that is one long trek.
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CityBoyDoug Nov 13, 2014 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6806410)
This is the house where 6-year-old Rochelle Gluskoter was living when she was kidnapped on February 15th, 1946 (exactly 11 months before Elizabeth Short died). She had been playing in the yard of a neighbor at 1113 E 85th Street.


The Gluskoter's house at 1125 E 87th Street (as seen in the top picture) is still there. The street doesn't appear to be gated or private, yet neither the Googlemobile or the Bingmobile have ground-level images from there. This is as close as I could get.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Gluskoter6.jpg
Google Maps

More information on the case can be found on websleuths.com.

As we can see in my graphic, Google Street View will not let you get anywhere near the Gluskoter house....marked in Red. Even the S. Central Street is blacked at that intersection.
GSV

The blue lines on the map show where Street View is available....that block in question is blacked out in Street View. I wonder why and if this was deliberate?

When the mother identified the little girls clothes, she made this cryptic remark...“That’s my baby’s dress,” Miriam said, breaking down in sobs as she looked at the mildewed shreds of a small tweed coat and red print dress laid out on a table. And yet she remained puzzled: ''Rochelle was wearing nearly new shoes when she disappeared, but now they were badly worn. "

A sad case indeed.....:(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps1471a1b6.jpg

ethereal_reality Nov 13, 2014 11:54 PM

I finally found a matchbook from the 'often talked about' Waldorf Cellar.*


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/46Ezjn.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/uRCALD.jpg
ebay

I'm surprised they used military imagery.....wasn't it eventually put on the 'OUT OF BOUNDS' list?


Here's a noirish view of the joint / originally posted by GaylordWilshire
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/vvbFn0.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=22135



*The Waldorf Cellar matchbook is for sale with 49 other Los Angeles centric matchbooks. Go here if interested:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-LOS-ANGEL...item2c8b805634
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BDiH Nov 14, 2014 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6805010)
Did you know one of the most popular crooners of the 1940s was killed in a plane crash on Beverly Boulevard?


Buddy Clark died aged 37.

His first big smash hit was the song 'Linda' recorded in 1946....reaching number 1 in the Spring of 1947.
Actually, 'Linda' was more of a skit than a song and includes some spoken sections.


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The song Linda was the first hit recording written about Linda Eastman, later Linda McCartney. The next one was Lovely Linda, written by Paul.

Andys Nov 14, 2014 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6806486)
re: The injured aquaduct workers.



All I can say is, I hope their injuries weren't serious.....that is one long trek.
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I'm assuming the injuries to be serious, as the aqueduct had medical staff/facilities along it's construction route. I know there was a big distribution center at Cinco, and there was the town of Mojave, but apparently not adequate enough medical facilities (in those days).

Andys

HossC Nov 14, 2014 3:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6806467)

I haven't found any photographs of the elusive Toddle House ... It would have set directly on the west bank of Ballona Creek.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/tvcOdS.png
google_aerial

I'm sure I looked for aerial images of the Toddle House when I originally posted the phone book listing, and there isn't much to see. The image below is from 1948. Ballona Creek goes roughly straight down the middle, and I guess that's the Toddle House just to the left. There's definitely a small parking lot with buildings either side.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eHouse1948.jpg
Historic Aerials

Here's the 1952 image. There have been a few small changes, but I still can't definitively identify the Toddle House.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eHouse1952.jpg
Historic Aerials

While we're in the area, I thought I'd show how the road alignment changed when La Cienega was added to the intersection. This is a wider view from 1952. I've also marked Davis Bros Tires and King's Tropical Inn (discussed again recently in post #24513).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gtonAdams1.jpg
Historic Aerials

Here are the listings for the named businesses from the 1950 telephone directory.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...DavisKings.jpg
archive.org

La Cienega appears on the 1964 aerial image, but I went for the 1972 image to show how long the old stub of Adams Boulevard survived. It looks like it's being used as a parking lot here. To the west of Ballona Creek, the Toddle House plot has been redeveloped. Fairfax Avenue just creeps onto the lower right corner of the image.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gtonAdams2.jpg
Historic Aerials

The reason I named Davis Bros Tires on the aerials is that they're still trading at that site today. Their building has several signs proclaiming they've been in business since 1937, although the first telephone directory listing I can find is 1948, so maybe they started at a different location. Wherever the business began, it's been at this site for at least 66 years, and must have seen a lot of comings and goings in that time.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ADavisBros.jpg
GSV

ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2014 6:42 PM

:previous: Thanks for your fine research HossC. Your annotated/labeled aerials are really interesting.
I had no idea King's Tropical Inn was so close to the Toddle House.
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ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2014 6:57 PM

I found this 1958 photograph of the Hollywood Park Racetrack last night on ebay.


Inglewood CA
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/5K5Fl7.jpg



I was amazed at the size of the parking lot.....that is, until I found this view from 1938

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/RDXYgy.jpg
http://colinsghost.org/2013/07/holly...-day-1938.html

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ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2014 7:38 PM

Here's a fun map from a 1940 Farmer's Market brochure that labels the area 'Gilmore Island'.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/633/5pKOPR.jpg
ebay

I like the nude sunbather on her roof. ;)

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Martin Pal Nov 14, 2014 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6807820)
Here's a fun map from a 1940 Farmer's Market brochure that labels the area 'Gilmore Island'.
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Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale...

It has to be 1952 or later if CBS Television City is on the map!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6807820)
I like the nude sunbather on her roof. ;)
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:haha:

Martin Pal Nov 14, 2014 8:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6806721)
I finally found a matchbook from the 'often talked about' Waldorf Cellar.*

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/46Ezjn.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/uRCALD.jpg
ebay

I'm surprised they used military imagery.....wasn't it eventually put on the 'OUT OF BOUNDS' list?
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I would've thought so, too, though some souvenir photos of this place show military men and their dates in them and the advertising of "big bands" which would mean alot of dancing. (The place doesn't look "that" big from the street, though!)

A poster recently said they had a list of the places that were considered off limits and was going to post that list. I wonder if there's an online source for that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6806721)
*The Waldorf Cellar matchbook is for sale with 49 other Los Angeles centric matchbooks. Go here if interested:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-LOS-ANGEL...item2c8b805634
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Love this matchbook find E_R. I'm going to look at the others on your link later on.

Since you brought up the Waldorf Cellar, has anyone heard of this book or the author before?

http://img2.imagesbn.com/p/978091039...1_s260x420.jpg

Los Angeles 1939 . . . Street People And Friend
by William Carroll

I happened to see this listed on both Amazon, which has one copy for sale, and Barnes and Noble, which
lists it, but says it's not available to buy on their site. I cannot find anything else about it, or the author,
online, yet. A search of NLA doesn't bring up William Carroll, either.

The book description:

People and places of Los Angeles are shown at their best in this pictorial retrospective from historic files of photographer William Carroll.

The street preacher precedes a Salvation Army band playing on Spring Street and the slightly mad street musician shows his five-gallon tin drum, a wonderful hermit strides past and a lucky pedestrian reaches for a sidewalk cigarette near the horse and buggy parked on Main Street, job hunters inspect $20 a week wage offerings, new shoes sell for 57 cents a pair, caged kids are on the second floor, there's wine bar life and the famous Waldorf Cellar, inside an all-nite theatre and outside the "A R Hotel Beds 15 Cents", Pershing Square society, backstage of the Paramount Theatre, stag party nudes, Palomar Gardens for dancing, a beauty contest not to be missed, exercising by the roller coaster and a seaside day . . . from family to friend.

Publisher: Coda Publications
Publication date: 10/1/2006
Pages: 116

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Sounds like some intriguing pictures in this book--caged kids are on the second floor--?

There is one comment on the book on the Amazon site. He wasn't too thrilled with the quality
of the photos in it and apparent lack of identification of many of them.

ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2014 8:54 PM

:previous: That book sounds really interesting M_P.

I wasn't real clear about the matchbooks. They're all being sold as a group of 50 (which includes the Waldorf Cellar).
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BELOW:

"Demolition of a brick building on Beaudry Avenue near Third Street, Los Angeles, ca.1963"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/745/8IxkTe.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/25458/rec/1

Does anyone know what building this is? -or have a vintage photo of this area?
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HossC Nov 14, 2014 8:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6807891)

Since you brought up the Waldorf Cellar, has anyone heard of this book or the author before?

http://img2.imagesbn.com/p/978091039...1_s260x420.jpg

Los Angeles 1939 . . . Street People And Friend
by William Carroll

I happened to see this listed on both Amazon, which has one copy for sale, and Barnes and Noble, which
lists it, but says it's not available to buy on their site. I cannot find anything else about it, or the author,
online, yet. A search of NLA doesn't bring up William Carroll, either.

The book description:

People and places of Los Angeles are shown at their best in this pictorial retrospective from historic files of photographer William Carroll.

The street preacher precedes a Salvation Army band playing on Spring Street and the slightly mad street musician shows his five-gallon tin drum, a wonderful hermit strides past and a lucky pedestrian reaches for a sidewalk cigarette near the horse and buggy parked on Main Street, job hunters inspect $20 a week wage offerings, new shoes sell for 57 cents a pair, caged kids are on the second floor, there's wine bar life and the famous Waldorf Cellar, inside an all-nite theatre and outside the "A R Hotel Beds 15 Cents", Pershing Square society, backstage of the Paramount Theatre, stag party nudes, Palomar Gardens for dancing, a beauty contest not to be missed, exercising by the roller coaster and a seaside day . . . from family to friend.

Publisher: Coda Publications
Publication date: 10/1/2006
Pages: 116

___________________________________

Sounds like some intriguing pictures in this book--caged kids are on the second floor--?

There is one comment on the book on the Amazon site. He wasn't too thrilled with the quality of the photos in it and apparent lack of identification of many of them.

You can preview about 30 pages of the book here. If the preview is an accurate representation, the photo quality doesn't look great, and they are accompanied by short, throw-away captions. Here is the "Second floor kid cage" ...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eetPeople1.jpg
books.google.com

... and a couple of men in uniform contemplating entry to the Waldorf Cellar.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eetPeople2.jpg
books.google.com

HossC Nov 14, 2014 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6807976)

"Demolition of a brick building on Beaudry Avenue near Third Street, Los Angeles, ca.1963"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/745/8IxkTe.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/25458/rec/1

Does anyone know what building this is? -or have a vintage photo of this area?

The USC location is incorrect. The relatively new-at-the-time Unocal Building in the top right corner is on Boylston, so we're too far away for this to be Beaudry. The building is actually the Aida Apartment Hotel at 247 S Flower Street. Close-up pictures of the Aida are thin on the ground (you can see it in aerials if you know where to look), although I posted about its predecessor, the Rollin, in post #21803. The screengrab below is from the ever-popular video "A Drive Through Bunker Hill and Downtown Los Angeles, ca. 1940s". The Richfield Building can be seen in the background haze.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tmentHotel.jpg
archive.org

ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2014 10:37 PM

I never would have found that building. Thanks for I.D.ing it as the Aida Apartments. -fun little discovery.
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I recently found two souvenir foto-folders from the 'The Skyroom' in Long Beach. One has it atop the Hilton Hotel (correct) while other says Wilton Hotel (incorrect?).

June 28, 1944
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/a33q1i.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/FY18ul.jpg
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Here's the Willton one.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/BQqODu.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/jcLj61.jpg
ebay



The hotel opened in 1926 as the Breakers Hotel.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/v7z504.jpg
http://avagabonde.blogspot.com/2010/...alifornia.html





Hilton purchased the hotel (his eighth at the time) in 1938 and added The Skyroom.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/2mngk7.jpg
ebay

info.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/sYapSX.jpg

During my brief google search I found nothing on it being the Wilton Hotel, yet I find it hard to believe it was simply a typo on the souvenir folder
so I'm going back and do some more research.


Today the old hotel is an assisted living facility

But guess what...the Skyroom is still in business!
http://www.theskyroom.com/

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/904/uLwhvT.jpg
www.noweddingdebt.com

HossC Nov 14, 2014 10:50 PM

:previous:

From Wikipedia:

"In 1947, Hilton sold the hotel to Frank Fishman, who renamed it the Wilton Hotel. The hotel remained the "Wilton" for 14 years."

CityBoyDoug Nov 14, 2014 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6807982)
Y

... and a couple of men in uniform contemplating entry to the Waldorf Cellar.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eetPeople2.jpg
books.google.com

I have read that the Cellar was a popular venue for gay performers.

Yes, I'm sure that eventually Waldorf's and the Cellar were on the Off-Limits lists.

During my days in the military I was caught in a Off-limits saloon. The Shore Patrol looked at my ID and let me go because I worked for the Admiral of the local fleet.

ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2014 11:24 PM

:previous: I really like that photograph of the two sailors contemplating going into the Waldorf Cellar.
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This is pretty rare.

May 1916 issue of the monthly magazine for the employees of the Broadway Department Store.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/907/wsub0W.jpg
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/UMKd2A.jpg



sorry the right column is cut off.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/Zz4LOw.jpg



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/QP3Sep.jpg

There were more pages obviously, but the seller only included these four examples.

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ethereal_reality Nov 15, 2014 1:45 AM

"Spanish bungalows line Cummings Street in this view looking north towards Sheridan Place. General Hospital is visible in the background."
-Henry Briceno

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/746/5ifMjZ.jpg
pinterest/Boyle Heights



I believe this is pretty close to the same view. (Bing Maps didn't have Sheridan Place, only Sheridan Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/EWHE0X.png
Bing Maps

Google Maps had Sheridan Place as well as Sheridan Street, but the key house is blotted out.
(check it out if you want)
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ethereal_reality Nov 15, 2014 1:59 AM

"So. Indiana St. east of 1st Street in Boyle Heights side of So. Indiana."
-Henry Briceno

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/SAN1Ud.jpg
pinterest/Boyle Heights



The same view today / the curved tracks are still in place.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/zXIl6K.png
GSV
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Tetsu Nov 15, 2014 2:30 AM

About Pasadena's YMCA Building(s)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6803919)
According to the October 4, 1910 edition of the Los Angeles Herald, the YMCA building in Pasadena was at Raymond Avenue and Ramona Street.
I found this clipping through a great article on chandlermuseum.org. It has the story below, and several other clippings from old newspapers
relating to the fundraising.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...adenaYMCA1.jpg
California Digital Newspaper Collection

Here's another postcard of the building.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...adenaYMCA2.jpg
www.usgwarchives.net

It doesn't look like Raymond Avenue and Ramona Street actually intersect anymore (if they ever did). The location would be near Pasadena's Memorial
Park, so the YMCA building would have been a near neighbor of the old public library written about by sopas ej back in post #4465. The postcard
below shows the YMCA's building at 235 E Holly Street, which is about a block away from Raymond Avenue, and backs onto Ramona Street. It's dated
by the seller as 1950s. I've been trying to work out when it replaced the building above. A 1987 article in the LA Times discusses the proposed closure
of this facility, and describes it as a "76-year-old building", which would date it as one year younger than the building above. Maybe they meant that
a YMCA building had been there that long.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...adenaYMCA3.jpg
eBay

This building's still there, although it's lost the balconies on the right.

Hey all, I've gone back to lurking for a while (not on purpose, but the knowledge everyone else has to share here is always so impressive that I often don't know what more I can possibly add), but I think I can shed a little more light on this one. The YMCA at the NE corner of Marengo & Holly was built in 1910 (architect Arthur Benton). It was then remodeled in the mid 1920's (architects Marston & van Pelt) into the building that currently stands today (apparently it was a heavy remodel that all but obliterated the original design). Originally the Marengo (west) side of the building was the front facade, but it was changed to the Holly (south) side during the remodel. Apparently Holly did not extend through at the time, but this was changed due to the construction of the city hall at the east end of Holly. The remodel was to make the architecture of the building more in line with the Spanish/Mediterranean architecture of the other civic center buildings which were going up at the time.

As for the YMCA building in the postcard, I'd have to guess that it was an entirely different structure, since Raymond & Ramona would have been about a block to the west as HossC said. It looks to be in the Shingle style which was more popular in the mid to late 1890's and early 1900's. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if it was designed by Fredrick Roerhig, probably the most prolific architect in Pasadena, whose style was often characterized by dramatic curves, towers, and angles like the steep pointed roof the building had.

ethereal_reality Nov 15, 2014 4:29 PM

I searched through the various maps on NLA and I don't believe we've seen this one. (if we have so be it...it's cool enough to see again)


1932 Children's Map of Los Angeles "The Wonder City"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/4WkR4z.jpg
http://www.lataco.com/taco/1932-chil...he-wonder-city

This map is so fun! -even the Paris Inn appears.





http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/OD12Pu.jpg
http://www.lataco.com/taco/1932-chil...he-wonder-city

"Blimp" Landing Field north(?) of Baldwin Hills. I spy the Rollerdome. -and King's Tropical Inn which we discussed yesterday.




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/TWBFQG.jpg
http://www.lataco.com/taco/1932-chil...he-wonder-city

-note the Breakers Hotel I spoke about in a recent post. (as well as the Villa Rivera)

Here's the whole map with the Index.
http://www.bigmapblog.com/2011/los-a...-america-1934/

ethereal_reality Nov 15, 2014 4:53 PM

Tourist takes a snapshot of Charles Boyer on Vine Street, ca. 1942.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/VeMXdU.jpg
ebay

JScott Nov 15, 2014 7:49 PM


I cannot imagine what made that blogger think this was a map made for children. He must not have looked at it very closely. Ahem -- "NUDE SUN BATHS" in Santa Monica? WHAT? I'm sure "TOPSY'S NIGHT CLUB" in Huntington Park would be a real wholesome place to take the kiddies, too. And "Hey look, Mommy! Could we please go to 'EDWARDS BROS. COLONIAL MORTUARY' today? That sounds like it would be so much fun!" :uhh:

ethereal_reality Nov 15, 2014 9:11 PM

Here's an interesting view of the Mulholland Dam before it was covered in 330,000 cu yd of earth. (I imagine this guy lost his little rock garden)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/743/ZhUPP9.jpg
ebay

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/mn6NgN.jpg

ethereal_reality Nov 15, 2014 9:18 PM

I've been trying to figure out where the photograph was located when he took this slide.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/mHIVdn.jpg
ebay
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ethereal_reality Nov 15, 2014 9:27 PM

Here are more slides that I believe are by the same amateur photograph. (I've collected them over the 5 or 6 months on ebay)


Any help would be appreciated.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/eoVJ3I.jpgebay

above: I believe that's the prominent art deco apartment building on Los Feliz (that we've discussed several times on NLA).




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/pepg4c.jpgebay




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/12zBbE.jpgebay




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/OxUEJu.jpgebay




below: We've pretty much seen this same view before....but the gas-o-meter looks especially good in this one.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/vlzBpA.jpgebay




below: No idea on this one.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/lfGoxU.jpgebay

This guy really got around.

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ethereal_reality Nov 15, 2014 9:33 PM

And probably the most enigmatic of the lot is this one.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/903/Lt3b9t.jpg
ebay

Any ideas? -the French Village?
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I'm out of town until Monday. Have fun everyone!

HossC Nov 15, 2014 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6808993)

I've been trying to figure out where the photograph was located when he took this slide.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/mHIVdn.jpg
ebay

This view is looking down Fountain Avenue, possibly from Lucile Avenue, which is where the GSV image below was taken.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tainAvView.jpg
GSV

Several blocks back is the Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center. Due to additional structures, this side of the building is now hidden, but here it is in a bit of stock footage which appeared briefly in 'The Dukes of Hazzard'. The 'City General Hospital' sign is a prop.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ianMedical.jpg
Warner Bros.

Those Who Squirm! Nov 15, 2014 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6808736)
I searched through the various maps on NLA and I don't believe we've seen this one. (if we have so be it...it's cool enough to see again)


1932 Children's Map of Los Angeles "The Wonder City"


This map is so fun! -even the Paris Inn appears.

It doesn't seem like a "children's" map in particular, with country clubs and cafes prominently featured.

Oh I get it, probably it was drawn by children.


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