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Does anyone know where the El Centenario Cafe was located?
Obviously the number is 501....but I don't know the street. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/Hlmk53.jpg http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...4/id/685/rec/1 |
I tried to find out some information on El Centenario Cafe, but so far have come up empty. I'll keep looking
Here are some before and later shots looking north at the intersection of Hill Street and Temple through the years. The images are all pretty much taken from just North of Court street 1884 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2089/...f907a652_o.jpg 1906 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2720/...b2ca0994_o.jpg CA 1940 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2285/...7e63351a_o.gif |
The label on this photo was..."Looking southwest on Aliso Street from brewery".
The date is 1899. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4...southwesto.jpg usc digital archive Below: This is also a view from the brewery in 1899. Would anyone have an idea what brewery they're referring to? http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9...outhwestov.jpg usc digital archive I wish I could read the writing on the roof of the barn-like building on the right. It says Los Angeles.....something. :( |
Hill street looking south from up on top of court hill 1951
oh my gawd!!!! pensioners enjoying a beautiful tree shaded vista in downtown.....how dare they!!!!:mad: quick, someone call planning and zoning.....better yet the CRA. how dare we allow this kind of derelict blight to exist in our downtown area, and don't forget to get those dayum shade trees out of there as well :tantrum: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/...d41b0eed_o.jpg Cal State Library ahhhhhhh much better http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2425/...16c0dca1_o.jpg nothing to see here....move along........sheeesh............... |
Tallyho Stable on the northwest corner of 1st Street & Broadway in the 1870s.
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here is a wikimapia page about the brewery showing where it was located http://wikimapia.org/1342988/Yangna-...r-Brewery-site here a link for a 2005 los angels times article about the brewery http://articles.latimes.com/2005/nov...e/re-letters13 and here's one more link with images from the freeway system. the last image on the page is a 1974 image looking west on the 101 past the brewery. the caption is interesting, as the 101 makes a jog at this point to bypass the brewery which is still there while the brewery building is long gone http://members.cox.net/mkpl2/hist/lahist.html |
Wow, I didn't realize the Brew 102 brewery existed way back in 1899.
We had briefly discussed the Brew 102 Building earlier in the thread. I'll repost this interesting photo from 1952. (view from atop City Hall) http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3...c1vbrewery.jpg usc digital archive Thanks for the Maier Zobelein Brewery information and links gsjansen. |
Well, gsjansen... while your amazing pictures--all of those you've posted recently, but especially those of Hill Street looking south--are indeed enough to make one weep, I do have a certain fondness for the courthouse in the second shot (the one with the Corvair)... Perry Mason helped make it an L.A. icon for me growing up.
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Main Street from 3rd, 1890.
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I've recently posted a photo from this area......but this photo is much more expansive.
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Main Street looking north from 2nd Street in 1889.
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Another then, later, and now set
3rd and grand looking North west
1952 The Nugent Hotel is on the NW corner, renamed the new grand hotel when this photo was taken. Notice how 3rd street runs uphill to bunker hill avenue west of Grand http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2468/...a437cb03_o.gif Charles W. Cushman Photograph Collection Indiana University Archives / Digital Library Program 1972 Grand Avenue and Bunker Hill Avenue have been obliterated, (bunker hill avenue forever, grand avenue temporarily). Hope Street is the road ahead. Bunker hill towers is on the right, and the top of the western terminus of the the third street tunnel is straight ahead http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3351/...b84c1b1e_o.jpg LAPL 2007 With the hill leveled and regraded, 3rd street now runs downhill west of Grand http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3591/...2c07cd27_o.gif |
gsjansen: NOW you're depressing me. At least your Hill and Court street views had some '60s remnants in the form of the courthouse and the Hall of Administration. But keep posting your great finds.
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and of course....another then and later set
Hope and 3rd looking west
1880 off in the distance is the belmont hotel which is located at belmont and 1st. this shot is taken directly on top of what would become the western terminus of the 3rd street tunnel http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/...309750d1_o.jpg 1939 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2697/...feaff449_o.jpg LAPL 1987 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/...51020f94_o.jpg LAPL |
still trying to catch up
as I've been scrolling back and viewing this thread from the beginning, this particular image from page 7 absolutely blew me away.
I had never seen this image before. My best educated guess is that the image was taken sometime in 1963. The Mission hotel is still intact at the SW corner of Olive and 2nd. The Dome is still open for business at 2nd and grand. Bunker Hill Avenue still exists and terminates at 2nd street at the upper center of the photo. Flower and hope street still run straight as two separate street at this point before flower would be curved to the east and merge with hope to allow for the construction of the bunker hill towers. WOW! what a view! http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...23-2-ISLA?v=hr |
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Say, you're a big film noir buff, I was wondering if you (or anyone else) could answer a question; at the last Film Noir Festival I sent to, I saw a film but forgot the title; it was set in San Francisco and is about a doctor who is married and has kids, but he has an affair with a woman, then fakes his death so that he can be with her. But of course things go wrong and it has an ironic ending. Would you happen to know which film I'm talking about? I'm wondering if it's available on DVD. |
A 1951 plan for an auditorium and trade fair center.
oops! I just realized I posted this before. I'll leave it anyway. -sorry- http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1...auditorium.jpg usc digital library Below: At the same time the music center was proposed for a site at 6th & Hoover. http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4061/la0412pmc1951.jpg usc digital archive |
The following two I haven't posted before.
Plan for a civic auditorium 1953. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4...ivicaudito.jpg usc digital archive Below: Plan for a civic auditorium 1954. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9...vicauditon.jpg usc digital archive There are more cool proposals/plans here, starting at post #344. (if you missed them the first time around) http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...170279&page=18 |
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"Perry Mason" courthouse (at 1st St.) and the Hall of Administration (btw, the great Paul Williams had a hand in the design of both). Here is the facade of the the courthouse: http://www.lacountyarts.org/civicart...art_mosk1L.jpg lacountyarts.org photo And going up at right is the Water & Power Building by Albert Martin: http://latimes.image2.trb.com/lanews...0/49703935.jpg L. A. Times The DWP building is great when lit up at night... that is, if they still light the whole thing up these days. I guess it's not Bunker Hill... but by now, these buildings are practically Old Los Angeles...Chief Parker was still in power... |
The "Perry Mason Courthouse", that's how I think of it too. That should really be its official name. :D
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The Perry Mason Courthouse: the entrance at right is at Hill and 1st.
Note the clock, which echoes the clocks on previous L. A. County Courthouses. http://www.paulrwilliamsproject.org/.../CHS-31367.jpg USC/Doheny Library/California Historical Society And here is Mr. Mason in his courthouse annex at the studio: http://edhird.files.wordpress.com/20...ry-mason-1.jpg More on the courthouse: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...se_of_the.html http://www.paulrwilliamsproject.org/...vic-buildings/ |
Noir images of and from city hall
all images are from the UCLA Library Digital Collections
war time dim out images October 29th, 1943 North http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/...dbdef681_o.jpg East http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/...86edbba6_o.jpg West http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/...e3ce3dcf_o.jpg North/West http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/...5a1d2045_o.jpg Christmas Night 1947 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2534/...d34a3e07_o.jpg New years 1951 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/...a3e38b61_o.jpg Winter time snow fall February 1944 Spring and 1st http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/...e8f07ee0_o.jpg |
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http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics26/00032503.jpg LAPL It appears that clay street remains, olive street becomes the main North/South artery, hope street becomes some kind of vista permiter road which links up with 2nd, (nice trick, how did they plan on dealing with the tunnel......or is there no hill left in this plan to require a tunnel :whatthefuck: ) and grand street disappears entirely......very strange indeed. i hope the CRA bought enough Kool-Ade for everyone, or at least whatever she appears to have had! |
Dangerous Noir
There is a scene in Criss Cross where Yvonne De Carlo is walking down hill street to visit Burt Lancaster at his home. In the scene she is noticeably having difficulty walking down Hill street .
This photo of the house 215 N. Hill street, clearly shows that Noir performed in heels can be quite the treacherous business http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics14/00026605.jpg LAPL |
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UCLA/L.A. Times In his great book L.A. Noir (Three Rivers Press, 2009), John Buntin suggests that the look of film noir was influenced by the smog attacks of the '40s that began on July 26, 1943-- so after seeing gsjansen's pictures of the Civic Center during wartime dimouts, I wonder if the noir mood was sparked by both the dimouts and the smog.... http://dlproj.library.ucla.edu/deriv...0061583a_j.jpg UCLA/L.A. Times Another smoggy day, this one as seen from the Perry Mason courthouse at the corner of Hill and First, March 1962. (Take note of the peripatetic statue of Stephen M. White in the foreground--more to come on that.) |
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MetNews Photo http://www.metnews.com/articles/2006..._statue-mn.jpg MetNews Photo http://www.metnews.com/articles/2006/Statue--SP.jpg MetNews Photo The 8-foot bronze statue of Stephen M. White, onetime Los Angeles D.A. (preceding Hamilton Burger by about 75 years) and later state senator, lieutenant governor, and U.S. senator, was originally placed at the southeast corner of Broadway and Temple, in front of the 1888 L.A. County Courthouse. Senator White stayed there even after the 1888 building was demolished several years after the Long Beach earthquake, eventually winding up on the northwest corner of 1st and Hill at the 1958 Perry Mason courthouse. Then the poor old guy was put in storage before being moved back to the courthouse, this time to the Grand Street end. He finally wound up in San Pedro, which, though a loss for the Civic Center, seems appropriate since he was apparently responsible for getting the breakwater built there, giving the city its great port. Let's hope the old man can finally rest by the sea. More at: http://www.metnews.com/articles/2006...ives103006.htm |
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Back in 1967 it was featured in a Nancy Sinatra music video (if it can be called that) for her cover of "This Town." In it you can also see the now gone Richfield Building in the background, and the Union Bank Building as well, which was brand new then. It also shows her at LACMA when it was only a few years old and had the moat with fountains. Notice the landscaping around the DWP building back then with the birds of paradise (LA's official flower). It's all different now, probably more drought-tolerant. |
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Perhaps smog did play a role in 'film noir'. Below: Smog in Los Angeles 1947. http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/780...4smog1947a.jpg usc digital archive Below: More smog in 1947. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8...smog1947bh.jpg usc digital archive Below: More smog in 1948. http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/145...smog1948a1.jpg usc digital archive Below: Again.....smog in 1948. http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1...14smog1948.jpg usc digital archive Below: Two unidentified men pointing at the smog in 1948. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6...og2men1948.jpg usc digital archive |
Even with the help of Miss Smog Fighter 1951, the smog persisted.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2...ssmogfight.jpg usc digital archive Below: Smog from City Hall tower in 1951. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3...og1951view.jpg usc digital archive Below: More smog in 1951. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6...og1951hofr.jpg usc digital archive Below: Another view in 1951. http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2...smog1951h2.jpg usc digital archive |
It's fun to post the old smog photos.
But my personal experience is just the opposite. I felt L.A. was most mysterious in January, when the warm Santa Ana winds swept the smog away. Everything seemed magical....the lights of the city sparkled and the trees and bushes rustled in the breeze throughout the night. It was beautiful and scary all in the same breath. It's my fondest memory of Los Angeles. |
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Fort Moore Hill and the Broadway tunnel
Sopas EJ, your fabulous then and now series looking south from the intersection of Broadway and Sunset, as well as all the postings i had missed earlier on the Los Angeles School building, got me interested in the leveling of fort moore hill and the demolition of the broadway tunnel fro the construction of the 101 freeway
all images are LAPL (except where noted) this 1871 view is on top of fort moore hill. the tunnel would be excavated directly below where this photo was taken. This view is of Sonora Town looking north up broadway past sunset http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4059/...8dd8cab9_o.jpg This 1881 view is on top of Fort Hill looking south down broadway past temple. Note the Los Angeles School building on the left prior to it's relocation to the top of fort moore hill http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2281/...02d2e55c_o.jpg USC Digital Archives This 1902 image is looking north west from the old courthouse building at the los angeles high school building on fort hill. The tunnel has either opened os is close to opening http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/...e38df5af_o.jpg 1903 view of fort Moore hill and the broadway tunnel http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/...1a5b9764_o.jpg This image looking east at the south portal shows the stair system to provide access to the top of the hill http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2781/...903cea47_o.jpg This 1925 view is looking south from on top of the tunnel past the hall of justice building http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/...9e10f337_o.jpg USC Digital Archive 1940 view looking north at the south portal from temple Note the historic examiner sign http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/...352deef1_o.jpg This 1948 north looking view of the south portal is taken in the waning days of the hill and tunnel's existence http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2782/...cb956e54_o.jpg The last train exiting the north portal. The leveling and grading operations on the left side of the photo, (where justica street used to be), is providing a new level area to re-rout the trains around the tunnel demolition http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2792/...bea06a02_o.jpg In this 1949 photo, the hill leveling operations are in full swing. The south portal of the tunnel has been barricaded http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/...d0e7dd58_o.jpg 1949 looking north west at the south portal http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2776/...5b76b23d_o.jpg 1949 looking north east at the south portal. note the re-routed rail lines to the east of the tunnel http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/...d0c2905e_o.jpg Rerouted yellow car around the tunnel and hill demolition operation http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2681/...993cce5f_o.jpg 1951 view looking north up broadway where the tunnel used to be. The remainder of Fort Moore hill will be leveld in the next 3 years http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/...60c18a8e_o.jpg |
Fort Moore Aerial 1947
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http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...A0EEB00C1?v=hr From farther south, higher up, and before the Hall of Justice was built in 1925. http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9130/latimesbldgm5.jpg Calif State Library |
The Dave Clark Five
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...2520PM.bmp.jpgUCLA Special Collections
I came across this 1931 shot of the notorious deputy D.A. "handsome Dave" Clark--second from right--strolling southward on Broadway alongside the Hall of Justice (note the union-jack railing at left). In the background is the south portal of the Broadway tunnel. This picture looked familiar to me--I went to my bookcase and found that I'd seen a cropped version of it before in another must-read for L.A. noir fans: A Bright and Guilty Place by Richard Rayner (Doubleday 2009). |
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Kuran made several other "Atomic" movies, my favorite of which was "Trinity and Beyond". All of the films include some absolutely spectacular A-bomb footage, and are narrated by William Shatner (FTW). I love all of the VCE films. My only minor criticism is that some of the footage was enhanced by visual effects post-processing. VCE started out as a visual effects house, after all. But all of the DVD's are well worth viewing. They used to be available from Netflix, but they don't appear to be at the moment (although they're still in the catalog; you can "Save" them to your queue). You can also purchase "Atomic Filmmakers" from VCE here. |
I thought I'd post some then and now pics of Venice; I went there this past Sunday.
Windward Avenue at Pacific Avenue, looking west, circa 1920s http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2787782_n.jpg USC Archive Windward Avenue at Pacific Avenue, looking west, April 11, 2010 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._8122012_n.jpg Photo by me Arcade along Windward Avenue, 1906 http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs451....1_363014_n.jpg USC Archive Arcade (what's left of it) along Windward Avenue, April 11, 2010 http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs451....2_258977_n.jpg Photo by me View looking east along Windward Avenue towards Pacific Avenue, 1929 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2119955_n.jpg USC Archive View looking east along Windward Avenue towards Pacific Avenue, April 11, 2010 http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs451....3_465047_n.jpg Photo by me Windward and Pacific Avenues looking northwest, 1927 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...6_756343_n.jpg LAPL Windward and Pacific Avenues looking northwest, April 11, 2010 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1884367_n.jpg Photo by me Pacific Avenue looking north from Windward Avenue, 1953 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5551865_n.jpg LAPL Pacific Avenue looking north from Windward Avenue, April 11, 2010 http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs471...._2789735_n.jpg Photo by me |
^^^Those are fantastic sopas_ej!! I enjoyed them immensely.
Your Venice before/after photos are the best I've seen. Interesting 'noir' tale in the L.A. Times. It includes many of the shady characters we have recently discussed. http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2010/...ow-caster.html |
More Reflections on Noir
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"Straight down the line...." I've mentioned John Buntin's suggestion in his book L.A. Noir that the origins of noir might be in the smog attacks starting in 1943. Gsjansen posted images here of the wartime dimouts, which made me wonder if they contributed to the noir effect in films. I remembered that Richard Rayner had something to say about noir in A Bright and Guilty Place, which I went back and found: "... the expressionless blue of the sky and the unchanging rhythm of perfect days that followed each other one after the other added to the melancholy. 'Outside the bright gardens had a haunted look, as though wild eyes were watching me from behind the bushes, as though the sunshine itself had a mysterious something in the light,' wrote Raymond Chandler. "Cities have characters...states of mind that run through daily life.... Chandler's 'mysterious something' was a mood of disenchantment, an intense spiritual malaise that identified itself with Los Angeles at a particular time, what we call noir. On the one hand noir is a narrow film genre, born in Hollywood in the late 1930s when a European visual style, the twisted perspectives and stark chiaroscuros of German Expressionism [at a time of a vast influx of German filmmakers fleeing Europe and settling in Los Angeles], met an American literary idiom [Chandler, Cain etc]. "...L.A. is city of big dreams and cruelly inevitable disappointments...it's a counter-tradition, the dark lens through which the booster myths can be viewed, a disillusion that shadows even the best of times.... Noir...was born when the Roaring Twenties blew themselves out and hard times rushed in; it crystallized real-life events and the writhing collapse of the national economy before finding its interpreters in writers like Raymond Chandler." http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...f_violence.jpgL.A. Times Act of Violence, 1948 http://filmforno.com/wordpress/wp-co...gel-tracks.jpgFilmforno http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuille.../bradbury3.jpgJohn Coulthart Can you identify this? |
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Bradbury Building, Broadway & 3rd
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the ceiling before. At first glance this picture looked to me sort of like a cell block in a futuristic prison or a set from an old science-fiction movie. The Bradbury Building was the first thing I wanted to see on my first trip to L.A. ca. 1970--in those days you could just wander right in, which I did, walking all over the building, going up and down in the elevators, practically in a trance. http://www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/history/...dbury_20cm.JPGUSC http://vpeipics.com/yahoo_site_admin...734052_std.jpgvpeipics Soon after its 1893 completion--no hint as to what's inside http://helios.library.ca.gov/soca/fl...gs/g58-131.jpg USC During a fire, May 3, 1947/California State Library http://dlproj.library.ucla.edu/deriv...0327084a_j.jpgUCLA Taken from Spring and 3rd toward Broadway |
Is this the Bradbury Building mid-block on the right hand side?
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4...broadwayfr.jpg usc digital archive View north on Broadway from 4th Street in 1898. |
Douglas Sirk's SHOCKPROOF 1949
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Apparently alot of buildings painted over their skylights during WWII (the Tiffany- glass lights of the Alexandria's Palm Court, for example), but your shot is, of course, way before that, only five or six years after the Bradbury was built. Here are couple of other shots up Broadway, the old City Hall tower also at right: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...DD9CA78B5?v=hr http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-14089?v=hr And a shot south: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-14418?v=hr Couldn't help but notice Coulter Dry Goods on the west side of the street--which reminded me that it was the rare store that gave up a downtown presence entirely and moved to the Miracle Mile in 1938: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-31091?v=hr |
Thanks for the photos and info GaylordWilshire.
I was pretty sure it was the Bradbury Building, but like you said, the roof of the atrium appears to be solid. It appears as opaque as the roof on the old City Hall tower. Boy, wasn't Coulter's a beautiful example of streamline moderne. Here are a few photos I have of the store. http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/126...s1938thent.jpg usc digital archive Above: At this point it was no longer Coulter's. Below: A close up of it's wonderful lines. http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5...s1938detai.jpg usc digital archive This elegant building survived until 1980. |
More shots of Coulters on Wilshire, this time toward the east. The first is from the roof of the Prudential building (now called Museum Square). I think the street-level color shot is great--a reminder that while we tend to think of noir as being strictly black and white, we shouldn't.
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