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jg6544 Dec 6, 2013 6:44 AM

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Wig-Wag Dec 6, 2013 6:46 AM

AT&SF La Grand Station
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6365380)
ER - I think I have the same spot. Facing north on Santa Fe Ave. The bridge is First Street. I believe the gasometers in your picture are the ones that used to be next to the 101 Freeway. Seems like a strange place to get off the train.

http://imageshack.us/a/img199/9074/ps8r.JPG
Google Earth

FredH. Yo have nailed the location.This is the site of the old Santa Fe La Grande Station in it's last days before Santa Fe joined Southern Pacific and Union Pacific in the new Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal.

The train is the new all streamlined Super Chief, Santa Fe’s premiere all room Pullman sleeping car train ran daily from Chicago to Los Angeles.

See: http://www.ulwaf.com/LA-1900s/Specia.../LaGrande.html

Cheers,
Jack

Those Who Squirm! Dec 6, 2013 6:52 AM

Unless I'm mistaken, this building on the southwest corner of 3rd and Wall Streets isn't the Harrelson Block; it's across the street from it. The Harrelson is on the southeast corner of the same intersection.

However, in my earlier statement that most of the old buildings around here originated around the time of the First World War, I was including this building as well.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6365163)
Thanks for sharing your photographs GatoVerde. I am especially impressed by the windows in this view of the Harrelson Block.
I am sorry to say, I did several searches but came up empty handed. :(

Is that a homeless enclave on the sidewalk? -stark reality.
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HossC Dec 6, 2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6365117)
1936 - Tanner Tour of Death Valley. (Note car door seems to bear Grayline Tours marking. Curious how long the Tanner-Grayline affiliation lasted and whether it was a temporary or permanent arrangement. The brochures suggest Tanner was a local Grayline franchisee. Grayline was and still may be synonymous nationwide with Bus Tours. No idea whether Tanner continued with Grayline but dropped the T name, or went on its own path.)


http://imgzoom.cdlib.org/Converter?i...0&w=1139&h=726http://imgzoom.cdlib.org/Converter?i...0&w=1139&h=726

Thanks for the info on the OXford phone numbers, BifRayRock.

One of the Tanner Motor Tours/Gray Line brochures I posted yesterday included the Death Valley Tour. Here's a larger version of the itinerary and pricing from one of the other brochures (dated as 1940 by the seller):

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
Ebay

HossC Dec 6, 2013 11:48 AM

While looking for old pictures of the Harrelson Block, I came across these near neighbors at the intersection of 3rd and Los Angeles Streets. On the north west corner was Sam Sharpe's hardware store. This picture is from 1932.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...SamSharpe1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Although there have been some alterations, the triangular details near the roofline make me believe that this is the same building. It now stands isolated in the corner of a parking lot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...SamSharpe2.jpg
GSV

Across 3rd Street was the McBride Printing Company, seen here in 1926.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAMcBride1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Again, there have been some changes, but the roof details remain intact.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAMcBride2.jpg
GSV

Here's a better view of the garage to the right of McBride's. USC label 249 South Los Angeles Street as the Skinner Building. This photo was taken five years after the one of McBride's. The small two-story building on the right is still standing, but the one to its right has gone.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

e_r mentioned the Sparklett Water Company back in post #569. Here's one of their delivery trucks parked in front of the Skinner Building. The sign on the back seems the suggest that the water "Defeats Old Age", and that you should drink "8 Glasses Every Day".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Sparkletts.jpg
Detail of photo above

ethereal_reality Dec 6, 2013 2:53 PM

:previous: Interesting before/afters HossC. It seems most of the buildings have be stripped of their dignity.


Here's a noirish looking 'dame'.
http://imageshack.us/a/img31/2598/uj6p.JPG
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/170/d8t2.jpgebay
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FredH, good job locating the train photo I posted some time ago. -much appreciated.

GaylordWilshire Dec 6, 2013 3:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6365480)
USC Digital Library

e_r mentioned the Sparklett Water Company back in post #569. Here's one of their delivery trucks parked in front of the Skinner Building. The sign on the back seems the suggest that the water "Defeats Old Age", and that you should drink "8 Glasses Every Day".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Sparkletts.jpgUSC Digital Library

I was sure that we must have seen the Sparkletts plant here before, but there seem to be only a few mentions of it over the years. The drawings below are dated 1929, the photos, the '30s.


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00100/00100786.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00100/00100785.jpg

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048076.jpg

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048075.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2...2520AM.bmp.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J...2520AM.bmp.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a...2520AM.bmp.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...2520AM.bmp.jpg


LAPL and GSV

BifRayRock Dec 6, 2013 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 6365391)
BifRayRock. Gray Line is now a world wide operation. (See Wikipedia). I am not sure when they dropped the Tanner name (which I believe was restricted to Southern California) but I can remember riding their buses into the early 1960s as they operated services to all the local area horse racing venues, a sport my mother viewed as an investment opportunity, and to which she contributed copious amounts of coin with little return!

Cheers,
Jack





WW: per your link, Gray Line started in 1910 in Wash.DC. stretching to LA and other cities in the mid-'20s. The Tanner-Gray Line connection seemed curious. Some advertising literature has them operating as a cooperative venture and yet as you can see below, they also held themselves out as independent concerns - while using the same address and telephone number.

Source claims '30s
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1930s-Los-Ang...fk!~~60_57.JPG http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1930s-Los-Ang...fk!~~60_57.JPG






"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night [nor pedestrians] stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds."



Guessing this was the fastest form of mail delivery to Santa Monica from LA in '97. WW: Was the car devoted strictly to mail delivery? This photo suggests the car was either a mobile office OR it was a regular street car that also delivered mail.



1897 - Fourth Street, Santa Monica
http://lametthesource.files.wordpres...-railway21.jpghttp://lametthesource.files.wordpres...-railway21.jpg






HossC Dec 6, 2013 5:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6365721)
WW: per your link, Gray Line started in 1910 in Wash.DC. stretching to LA and other cities in the mid-'20s. The Tanner-Gray Line connection seemed curious. Some advertising literature has them operating as a cooperative venture and yet as you can see below, they also held themselves out as independent concerns - while using the same address and telephone number.

While looking up Tanner Motor Livery, I came across a few references to court cases. As well as the tie-in with Gray Line, from 1947 they were an exclusive licensee for Avis Rent-A-Car System, Inc. in twelve cities in southern California and in Las Vegas. The two companies seem to have fallen out in the early '60s, as can be seen in this 1963 case text:

Tanner Motor Livery, Ltd. v. Avis, Inc.

BifRayRock Dec 6, 2013 5:12 PM





Butler Brothers Department Store


Nondescript stays the course?


December 1950 - 6609 Van Nuys Blvd.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071878.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071878.jpg


http://images.citysearch.net/assets/.../8/6736578.JPGhttp://images.citysearch.net/assets/.../8/6736578.JPG




HossC Dec 6, 2013 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6365624)

I'm glad the Sparkletts facility survived, although the building used to extend to N Avenue 45. Looking at the aerial views on Historic Aerials, the building was reduced in size some time between 1952 and 1972


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More old buildings on 3rd Street, although these are further west, and now under the Harbor Freeway. In 1931, the Del Mar Hotel stood on the corner of South Beaudry and 3rd. To its left was the Delmar Garage, which omits the space between "Del" and "Mar".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lMarHotel1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Looking around the corner onto South Beaudry, I spotted a familiar sight. There, on the right, is the Tanner Motor Livery building, complete with roof sign.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lMarHotel2.jpg
USC Digital Library

The Del Mar Hotel is just visible in the top right corner of this picture that I posted a few days ago.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...MLBeaudry2.jpg
USC Digital Library

USC has another set of photos taken later in 1931 which show 3rd Street dug up, although no reason is given. It looks like more than the laying/removing of street car tracks. The building with "Apartments" on the side is the Magalia Apartments at 1010 W 3rd Street. The apartments are named on the 1910 Baist map. The west portal of the 3rd Street tunnel is visible in the distance.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lMarHotel3.jpg
USC Digital Library

The Del-Mar Barber Shop (just to the left of the hotel) seems to favor hyphenating Del Mar!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lMarBarber.jpg
Detail of photo in USC Digital Library

Another part of the photo above gives a better view of the Sunnyside Apartments at 318 S Boylston, which I mentioned a few pages back in post #17989.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nysideApts.jpg
Detail of photo in USC Digital Library

alester young Dec 6, 2013 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GatoVerde (Post 6364909)

Eastern face of previous building showing what may be original window and shutters:
https://static.panoramio.com.storage.../100175405.jpg

The owner of this building must be a Jim White fan. Had he been listening to "Turquoise House" on Transnormal Skiperoo? :)

The color also puts you in mind of the Eastern Columbia Building (but not such a great shade of turquoise and not clad with Calco tiles).

HossC Dec 6, 2013 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6364428)
Royal Liquor according to this photo taken a year earlier.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...r.jpg~original
photosofwar.net

The LAPL archive have a couple more pictures of the 3rd Street tunnel/Angel's Flight that include the Royal Liquor sign. This picture is undated, but the pickup looks late '30s/early '40s. On the right you can see that the main sign on the store at 259 S Hill was for the Adohr Creamery.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...yalLiquor2.jpg
lapl.org

As an aside, Adohr Dairy Products was located at 1801 S La Cienega Blvd., and they also had an OXford phone number: OXford 7011. By 1942, the number had changed to Ashley 4-2121.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ohrDairyCD.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

The liquor store appears in the City Directories from 1956 to 1965, sometimes as Royal Gold Liquors. The picture below shows the Royal Liquor sign was still in place after the demolition of the Ferguson building and everything to the left of Angel's Flight. LAPL date the picture as 1965.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...yalLiquor3.jpg
lapl.org

While we're in the neighborhood of Angel's Flight, I found this close-up of the front of the Crocker Mansion which I don't think we've seen before.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LACrocker1.jpg
lapl.org

It was taken around the same time as the one below, previously posted by gsjansen in post #1619.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LACrocker2.jpg
lapl.org

Apologies if this has been posted before, but here's the Crocker Mansion from a block or two west along Hill Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LACrocker3.jpg
lapl.org

JScott previously posted some large pictures of the Crocker Mansion and 3rd Street here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13464

unihikid Dec 6, 2013 9:26 PM

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...la.html?utm=fb

Great story about Broadway Place,check it out!

GaylordWilshire Dec 6, 2013 10:00 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5...kheadcompl.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5620/g2vp.jpgLATimes Apr 28, 1929

GatoVerde Dec 7, 2013 12:00 AM

Harrelson Block and Surroundings
 
https://static.panoramio.com.storage.../100175405.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6365163)
Thanks for sharing your photographs GatoVerde. I am especially impressed by the windows in this view of the Harrelson Block.
I am sorry to say, I did several searches but came up empty handed. :(

Is that a homeless enclave on the sidewalk? -stark reality.
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To clarify, as someone has already correctly noted, the turquoise building is not on the Harrelson Block but sits across the street on the West side of Wall Street. The County Assessor lists the address as 224 East Third Street (thank you Those Who Squirm.)

The windows impressed me as well for a variety of reasons. It's not so much that they could be particularly historical or unique, nor that there may be similar examples elsewhere, but these few blocks of the city have managed to retain fragments of the older city. Much in part to their neglect, fragments of history have persisted. There is a lot of history here but my experience tells me most of this may be going the way of the dinosaur as soon as time catches up to this intersection. Here are some more of my pics showing examples of the surviving buildings and elements in the area:

https://static.panoramio.com.storage.../100232742.jpg
View of turquoise building from Wall Street looking NW.


https://static.panoramio.com.storage.../100232738.jpg
Western entrance to alley behind Harrelson Block, view East. I'm guessing the food court action may have taken place in the 60s or 70s.

https://static.panoramio.com.storage.../100232732.jpg
Another view of the Food Court.

https://static.panoramio.com.storage.../100232729.jpg
View of Harrelson Block facade on Third Street, just East of Wall.

GatoVerde Dec 7, 2013 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6365183)
'Froebelian Garden'

I am hoping someone can help me identify the location of this photograph.
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/7039/jgm1.jpg
http://www.theiff.org/

The tower in the distance might be the old Los Angeles Times Building.



http://imageshack.us/a/img801/9535/sb5g.jpg
unidentified Los Angeles 1900/ocdom
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Extremely intriguing photo. I've run into it before I can almost swear it's LA just from its aura, but I can't come up with anything but the same wild guess you've come up with, ethereal_reality. However, that conjecture is problematic since that would likely place site at around First and Fort (Broadway) looking South, currently the site of the LA Times, or perhaps even further North. The tower design of the building in the distance being a very common feature is of little help without more detail. Unfortunately, there seem to be no other features, identifiable buildings, signs, etc. The building does seem to be elevated above its surroundings indicating perhaps a hill. The streets look flat to the horizon, perhaps a North-South view of early downtown streets. Since it's a kindergarten, perhaps it is a German school. The dress is intriguing as well. I can't really place it but it looks like classic Victorian from around the mid 1880s to me.

MartinTurnbull Dec 7, 2013 5:41 AM

Can anybody date this amazing aerial footage of Hollywood?
 
Can anybody date this amazing aerial footage of Hollywood?

http://youtu.be/6LqPIsnD4TA

FredH Dec 7, 2013 7:33 AM

[QUOTE=GatoVerde;6366310]

https://static.panoramio.com.storage.../100232738.jpg
Western entrance to alley behind Harrelson Block, view East. I'm guessing the food court action may have taken place in the 60s or 70s.

GatoVerde - I have actually eaten in this food court a few times. I worked at 470 E. Third Street for a number of years. The food court started in probably the 1990's. It is down the alley and up some stairs. Mostly burgers and fries...the newspaper food critics never bothered to come around.

FredH Dec 7, 2013 8:06 AM

Harold Lloyd causing havoc in front of Angels Flight Pharmacy

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/9637/pa2o.JPG
Hal Roach Studios - 1921


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