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Retired_in_Texas Oct 19, 2013 6:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 6199355)
Interesting photo on several levels. As you know, the Beverly Hills Track was also called the Los Angeles Speedway and its last race was in March of '24. Doubts are laid to rest given the barely legible handwritten notes: "Culver City" and "December 24" (the date of the first race.) The large building in the background toward the left of the track is probably the newly erected Culver Hotel (September '24).

Not surprisingly Culver was home to a cottage racing industry. An informative article >> http://culvercityhistoricalsociety.org/?p=977 lists a number of players and their former addresses. To those familiar with flat head Fords most of these pioneers are household names.

Cam grinder Ed Winfield, first located at 5977 Washington Boulevard.

Karl and Veda Orr, (land speed racers) had a shop at 11140 Washington Place.

Jesse Sanford “Sandy” Belond opened his own shop at 11039 Washington Boulevard.

George Newnam's Norden Machine Works (racing parts manufacture) at 5453 West Washington Boulevard.

Ted Halibrand established Halibrand Engineering on Marilyn Avenue.

Edward “Isky” Iskenderian, who learned the cam-grinding business from Ed Winfield, first located at 5977 Washington Boulevard in Culver City before building on a vacant lot at 6338 West Slauson Avenue.






Ed Winfield in his car at Ascot Park, 1928
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...v/scan0006.jpghttp://i687.photobucket.com/albums/v...v/scan0006.jpg


Karl and Veda

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXg...acing%252B.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXg...acing%252B.jpg





http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/...rr_01_1000.jpghttp://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/...rr_01_1000.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ndVedaOrr2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ndVedaOrr2.jpg


http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/...rr_03_1000.jpghttp://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/...rr_03_1000.jpg


"Taix" restaurant. (Mentioned several times on this thread)
http://www.hotrodhotline.com/feature...er196/53A1.jpg



Anyone know of a car wash close to the Cinerama Dome on Sunset?:shrug: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6724
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXg...acing%252B.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXg...acing%252B.jpg




Ted Halibrand and his magnesium castings, "mags."
http://assets.hemmings.com/story_ima...88-0.jpg?rev=2http://assets.hemmings.com/story_ima...88-0.jpg?rev=2



Ed Iskendarian - no address or date, but it sure looks like it was on the Helms bakery route!
http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/wp-co...t-roadster.JPGhttp://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/wp-co...t-roadster.JPG

Wow, these photos of the "Princes" of Hot Rodding really bring back memories. Most people have no idea of the contributions these guys made to the automobile industry as they chased performance and speed.

For example: Ed Iskendarian invented and patented the hydraulic roller lifter and flat lobe cams in the mid 1950s. Products commonly used from that point forward by Drag Racers but totally ignored by the American automobile industry until the late 1980s. Today there probably isn't an automobile engine produced anywhere that doesn't utilize those innovative designs.

A few years ago when restoring a 1958 Mercury I decided to put an Isky roller cam into its 430 c.i. MEL block engine and had a number of conversations with Ed's son Ron, who personally ground the cam I needed for the engine. Long story on getting him to do it since they hadn't produced a cam for the specific engine type for over thirty years. For the non motor head guys, the affect of the cam, lifters, etc.; boosted the horsepower from 375 to 650 and increased fuel efficiency. And now you know the reason why today's smaller engines produce huge amounts of horsepower and use less fuel.

Noircitydame Oct 19, 2013 6:50 AM

Hi everyone,
I was taking pictures in downtown LA Wednesday and got this one of the Charnock Bl. shell from inside the Rosslyn - shocking! Looks like the building next door to the south is also a shell-only.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/charnock.jpg

Tho it has probably been discussed here before (?) it was news to me that the building at 3rd & Main, which had been built by/for Al Levy for his first cafe in 1906 is actually a remnant of the old Levy building - another one that had been chopped down from 3 stories. I'd assumed it was a 50s replacement. I think there was a dance hall in the 3rd street side of this building in the mid-30s, but the address doesn't quite match up with the Baist maps.

Today:
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/levysnow.jpg

c. 1938, already minus the cupola that had housed Levy's old oyster pushcart (img from USC digital):
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...inlookingn.jpg

Today with a lot of the tile and some ceiling features intact:
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k.../levystile.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...nsidelevys.jpg

The noirish alley veiw:
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...oflevybldg.jpg

GaylordWilshire Oct 19, 2013 1:32 PM

:previous:

Fantastic shots, NCD


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6308262)
the complex seems to have been built around this house on Ingraham. (note the Commodore sign between the eaves)
http://imageshack.us/a/img706/7317/ogbt.jpg
GSV

Can you imagine the noirish stories associated with this sprawling place from the turn of the century?
(I'd love to explore in it's various basements...and attics)
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http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics14/00026671.jpg
Looks like it could be older, but it was taken in 1994 (per the LAPL.


Apparently a resident of 1140 Ingraham Street circa 1910 was Sophia Knowles Murdock and her arty family...not sure how she came to be living there after, it seems, having built a much nicer house at 4219 N. Figueroa (HCM #778) in 1903 (see http://historian4hire.com/murdock.html).


But then it looks like there was a windfall (from the Times, Feb 14, 1911):

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E...rdock1and2.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...rdock3and4.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F...4/murdock5.jpg


Maybe with some of the money the Murdocks converted their house into an apartment building...according to Baist maps, the conversion appears to have occurred between 1910 and 1914.

On the 'round-the-world trip mentioned in the article, Sophia died in Moscow on May 31, 1913, of complications from diabetes.


Note: Hope the article comes out legibly--doing this on a small pad while waiting in an airport.

LAT

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Retired_in_Texas Oct 19, 2013 8:47 PM

[QUOTE=Flyingwedge;6207655]This is a view of an apartment living room. The seams in the carpet are fairly obvious (e.g., right foreground); not sure what's up with that:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psafe2f347.jpg
Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/2786/rec/7

I would say that the obvious seams are a carpet layers screw up. Took more than a roll's width and they somehow managed to get the nap of the two pieces running in opposite directions in trying to match the pattern up without wasting carpet. The circumstance wasn't helped a whole lot with all the different pattern angles involved.

HossC Oct 20, 2013 4:41 PM

Here's another postcard I found on Ebay recently, although this establishment is definitely no longer there. I've searched the thread, and can't see any previous mentions of Patmar's Motel ... Cafe ... Cocktail Lounge. In the brief bits of info I can find online, it seems to have been a popular hang-out for Douglas Aircraft company employees and hipsters alike in the '40s and '50s. The motel had "14 De Luxe Units".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAPatmars1.jpg
Ebay

Menu and stationery:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAPatmars6.jpg
Ebay

Some of the specials. Hot and cold drinks were mainly 10 cents, soup 15 cents, and desserts 17 cents.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAPatmars7.jpg
Ebay

Matchbooks:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAPatmars2.jpg
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAPatmars3.jpg
coltera on Flickr (rotated and cropped)

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Frank Kelsey/ussiwojima on Flickr

Sugar cubes:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAPatmars5.jpg
Frank Kelsey/ussiwojima on Flickr (contrast adjusted)

I only found a single, small photograph of Patmar's Motel/Drive-In, but the aerial on the left below proves its existence on the southwest corner of Sepulveda and Imperial at the southern edge of Los Angeles International Airport/LAX in 1953. Note the empty lots that surrounded it. The one on the right shows what's there now.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...atmarsMaps.jpg
HistoricAerials/Google Maps

Martin Pal Oct 20, 2013 9:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6308291)
At first I mistook the snow for sand, something reminiscent of Manhattan Beaches' sand dunes (bottom) or somewhere in the desert. But the'32 date as the first recorded snowfall - throws me. No doubt '32 was a memorable winter, but pictures of Chaplin Studio's snow-covered frontage are dated '21, preceding the "first" allegedly recorded snowfall by 12 years. One might expect that snow on La Brea probably meant a few flakes nearby Hollywood? The LATimes reported that on January 15, 1932 downtown received 2" snowfall for the first time in 50 years. http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar...surroundings10

I love the Los Angeles "snow pictures" Chuckaluck and E_R!

The 1932 date IS puzzling. I looked up this site:
http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.htm

Under "Snow in Los Angeles County" it has this item:
Since records were first kept in 1921, snow has fallen on downtown Los Angeles only ten times.

The information is from the National Weather Service and lists these dates:

Year Month & Amount of Snowfall
1922 January (trace), March (trace)
1935 December (trace)
1947 December (trace)
1949 January (slightly more than 0.3 inches)
1950 April (0.2 inches)
1951 February (trace), March (trace)
1952 January (trace), March (trace), December (trace)
1954 January (0.3 inches), February (trace)
1957 January (trace)
1962 January (trace)

It curiously doesn't even list 1932--?

It also says: "...on January 17, 2007, an extremely rare light dusting of snow fell in the Malibu area and in West Los Angeles", but I guess that doesn't rate a mention in the statistics...so I am confused.

I had seen some great photos of the snow in 1949, but all I could find at the moment was this newspaper headline:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.an..._Snow_1949.jpg
http://www.awalkerinla.com/LAT

One of those article headlines states there's snow in Catalina!

If anyone finds any L.A. snow pictures (or Catalina!) and loves them as much as I do, please post!

HossC Oct 20, 2013 10:25 PM

:previous:

View of the corner of Hollywood Boulevard slushy with snow and water, January 21, 1912:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LA/LASnow1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Snow-covered Pico Boulevard east from Union Avenue, January 9, 1930, 5:00 PM:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LA/LASnow2.jpg
USC Digital Library

View of South Broadway from Twelfth Street during a snow and hail storm, February 20, 1944:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LA/LASnow3.jpg
USC Digital Library

Some more posts with snow pictures:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1576 - 1950
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3326 - 1944. Looks to be from the same set as the 1944 picture above.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6635 (third picture)

belmont bob Oct 21, 2013 3:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6309542)
I love the Los Angeles "snow pictures" Chuckaluck and E_R!

The 1932 date IS puzzling. I looked up this site:
http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.htm

Under "Snow in Los Angeles County" it has this item:
Since records were first kept in 1921, snow has fallen on downtown Los Angeles only ten times.

The information is from the National Weather Service and lists these dates:

Year Month & Amount of Snowfall
1922 January (trace), March (trace)
1935 December (trace)
1947 December (trace)
1949 January (slightly more than 0.3 inches)
1950 April (0.2 inches)
1951 February (trace), March (trace)
1952 January (trace), March (trace), December (trace)
1954 January (0.3 inches), February (trace)
1957 January (trace)
1962 January (trace)

It curiously doesn't even list 1932--?

It also says: "...on January 17, 2007, an extremely rare light dusting of snow fell in the Malibu area and in West Los Angeles", but I guess that doesn't rate a mention in the statistics...so I am confused.

I had seen some great photos of the snow in 1949, but all I could find at the moment was this newspaper headline:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.an..._Snow_1949.jpg
http://www.awalkerinla.com/LAT

One of those article headlines states there's snow in Catalina!

If anyone finds any L.A. snow pictures (or Catalina!) and loves them as much as I do, please post!



January 1949… I was about 8 n half…my brother came running in and said getup and look outside. We lived on a hill in the Echo Park area and everything was white…what a treat it was. Unfortunately by the time we got to Logan Street School, most of it was just slush quickly turning to water. We only got one night though, but for an LA city kid it’s one of those memories I’ll take to the grave…
To add, I remember a little about later times where a little snow was found, but nothing to equal that morning in 1949.

Flyingwedge Oct 21, 2013 5:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6309293)
Here's another postcard I found on Ebay recently, although this establishment is definitely no longer there. I've searched the thread, and can't see any previous mentions of Patmar's Motel ... Cafe ... Cocktail Lounge. In the brief bits of info I can find online, it seems to have been a popular hang-out for Douglas Aircraft company employees and hipsters alike in the '40s and '50s. The motel had "14 De Luxe Units".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAPatmars1.jpg
Ebay

I only found a single, small photograph of Patmar's Motel/Drive-In, but the aerial on the left below proves its existence on the southwest corner of Sepulveda and Imperial at the southern edge of Los Angeles International Airport/LAX in 1953. Note the empty lots that surrounded it. The one on the right shows what's there now.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...atmarsMaps.jpg
HistoricAerials/Google Maps

The roundish cafe building enjoyed a second life as part of the clubhouse for the El Segundo golf course, about a mile south on Sepulveda Blvd. I think it lasted until around '93, when it was replaced. I couldn't find a ground-level photo, but this 1980 aerial shows the former cafe building at the golf course:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8d83e3e1.jpg
Historic Aerials.com -- http://www.historicaerials.com/

HossC Oct 21, 2013 1:40 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6309928)
The roundish cafe building enjoyed a second life as part of the clubhouse for the El Segundo golf course, about a mile south on Sepulveda Blvd. I think it lasted until around '93, when it was replaced. I couldn't find a ground-level photo, but this 1980 aerial shows the former cafe building at the golf course:

What a great piece of extra info, Flyingwedge. I tried to find the clubhouse on Google Earth's historic view, but it only went back to 1994 in that area. I wonder why the building was so camera shy.

GaylordWilshire Oct 21, 2013 4:58 PM

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1857/fspz.jpghttp://memoriastoica.tumblr.com/


This great station once stood on the site of strip-mall at the southwest corner of Washington and 8th... apparently the "Specification Motoroil System" was a national chain. I wondered if we've seen this building here before, but nothing comes up using the seriously lame search function... anyway, the curious grid looks a little familiar--is it some sort of motor-oil automat?


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAPL

Not sure how long it lasted as a Specification station--no listing for that name in the '32 and later CDs. Maybe it was taken over by another oil company.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT Aug 3, 1930


PS Can't quite figure out what's going on with the trees at right in the top picture... looks like they're on a hill to the west, but there is no hill there now....

Martin Pal Oct 21, 2013 6:58 PM

Let It Snow!
 
Thanks for the new photos, links and personal reminiscence about snow falling in Los Angeles and environs everyone.
From the dates of some of the photos, there seems to be some question as to why the "official" records don't indicate some of those years, like 1944, for example? In any case, the photos are wonderful!

Here's one I found: Hollywood & Vine, 1923 (no indication of who the people are)
http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.ipowe...)%201923WM.jpg
http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.com90_103

And here's a large (sorry) scan of a January 16, 1932 Los Angeles Times page covering a snowfall event from the day before, January 15, 1932.
The photos are not clear, but they cover so many areas frequently talked about in this thread that I thought it worth posting.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed..._0116_snow.JPGLAT
http://carole-and-co.journal.com/67549.html

Martin Pal Oct 21, 2013 7:33 PM

For Belmont Bob--ring any (sleigh) bells?
 
All photos from the Los Angeles snowfall in 1949:

These photos were under the heading of "Los Angeles People See Snow for the First Time."
(Lol, Los Angeles people!)

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/e44c282cec7e2014_large

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/d041bf6bcab5a4a2_large

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/439ac92633b0b39e_large

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/da004feae6252554_large

Above photos: George Silk/LIFE
http://images.google.com/hosted/life...bcab5a4a2.html

"Swimming Lessons must go on in the San Fernando Valley!"
http://www.laobserved.com/images/sfvswimlessons.jpgLIFE
http://www.laobserved.com/archive/

A church on Hollywood Way in Burbank:
http://wesclark.com/burbank/snow_church.jpgMike McDaniel
http://wesclark.com/burbank/snow.html

Caption: "My first car, a 1930 Chevie sedan, is shown parked in front of the Dodson home on the corner of Orchard Dr. and Tulare St."
http://wesclark.com/burbank/snow_orange_and_tulare.jpgSylvia Dodson Novak
http://wesclark.com/burbank/snow.html

January 11, 1949 in the San Fernando Valley; Foothill Blvd. at Commerce Ave., looking southeast, with Arnold Krabbe's Texaco station on the right.
http://www.pedimentbooks.com/uploade...4_700xauto.jpg
http://www.pedimentbooks.com/store/p...ough-our-eyes/

Snow noir 1949
http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress....nandcar970.jpgLAT
http://latimesphoto.files/fa_816_49

City Hall (1949)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5018/...85f0eda1ff.jpg
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/g_cliser/5449023559/

ethereal_reality Oct 22, 2013 12:31 AM

-this pc intrigues me.

Bonaventura Hotel, postmarked 1984
http://imageshack.us/a/img547/1731/ut4p.jpgebay

Where was this un-manicured lawn with all the dandelions?
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HossC Oct 22, 2013 12:49 AM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6310920)
Where was this un-manicured 'field' with all the dandelions?

You answered your own question back in 2011 ;).

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5284407)
The Bonaventure Hotel under construction in 1977.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5...angeles082.jpg
"Above Los Angeles"

I would love to see how these so called 'plazas' have evolved over the years.
The 'plaza' on the left appears to be the roof of a parking garage.
I wonder if a pedestrian bridge was eventually built to connect it to the Bonaventure Hotel.


This is a good example of the banality that replaced downtown Los Angeles' vibrant street life.


ethereal_reality Oct 22, 2013 1:03 AM

:previous:
So the landscape 'architect(s)' went with a precise grid of trees surrounded by unkempt lawns with dandelions(!?!)
-calling Frederick Law Olmsted.

ethereal_reality Oct 22, 2013 1:13 AM

beautiful home, but no address (notice the shingles 'traveling' over the dormer on the left, amazing)
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5390/6dbv.jpgebay

-beautiful Betty
http://imageshack.us/a/img201/8716/zlha.jpg
http://googleberry.tumblr.com/post/3...on-a-very-good


quite a looker (i had no idea..her name reminds me of a schoolmarm)
http://imageshack.us/a/img89/636/kgma.jpg
ifim2
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ethereal_reality Oct 22, 2013 1:46 AM

...and speaking of shingles
http://imageshack.us/a/img534/4605/mwpz.jpgebay

I know we've seen numerous photographs of Van-de-Kamp bakeries/restaurants, but I believe this might be a new photograph
to the thread.



-here's the reverse (in reverse).
http://imageshack.us/a/img802/7051/ms9q.jpg

lol, I meant (in German) ;)
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GaylordWilshire Oct 22, 2013 2:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6310969)
beautiful home, but no address (notice the shingles 'traveling' over the dormer on the left, amazing)
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/5390/6dbv.jpgebay
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This house
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c...2520PM.bmp.jpg

is now this house
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U...2520PM.bmp.jpg
901 North Camden, Beverly Hills


According to My Love of Old Hollywood, Charles Ray's house was later Betty Compson's, as you might assume....


BUT, according to the esteemed and extremely accurate Steve Vaught at Paradise Leased, the Ray house was NOT Compson's.... "Most people assume quite reasonably that Charles Ray and Betty Compson lived in the same house, but its not true. These are postcards of two entirely separate houses! Charles Ray’s house was located at 901 North Camden Drive in Beverly Hills and Betty’s was all the way over in Hollywood at 7315 Hollywood Boulevard. Now that’s a lazy architect! The house so nice they built it twice. Charles Ray’s home still stands, in altered form, but Betty’s, which was later rented by Sam Goldwyn, has gone the way of the Dodo."

Check out Steve, Dora and Nellie's story here: http://paradiseleased.wordpress.com/...-card-mystery/


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