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HossC Oct 14, 2013 9:38 PM

I've just searched all the previous posts about Lookout Mountain that I could find, and I don't remember seeing either of these postcards. Both are currently on Ebay. I've grayscaled the first and increased the contrast to make it clearer. Note the misspelling of Laurel Canyon.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...outMtDrive.jpg
Ebay

This appears to be a close-up of the small hill that sometimes has a flag on top. I'm sure that Lorendoc or 3940dxer can be more specific.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...pOfLookout.jpg
Ebay

Lorendoc Oct 15, 2013 5:41 AM

Lookout Mountain Views
 
Wow thanks HossC for the image improvement on the view I had posted at http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=16939. There is much more detail now. Nothing wrong with the spelling that a stray ~ won't fix :)

Your photograph shows Lookout Mountain (from the higher vantage point of the Lookout Mountain Inn, looking SE). The road to the loop is Appian Way. It dead-ended until 1925 when the knoll was leveled off and Appian Way was extended down to Stanley Hills Drive. You can clearly see Lookout Mountain Avenue start its descent to Laurel Canyon in the lower left-hand edge.

There are at least two other pictures of the Double Bow Knot area posted on this thread that look like they came from the same source as your photo - all three have the same caption. The first picture is looking towards the SE and Laurel Canyon, the second is looking on the opposite side of the switchback NW towards Briarcrest Peak. Looking more closely at the second picture, you can see something interesting: the road is clearly eroding. I've circled in red areas which have been washed out by rain. We are seeing the start of the separation of upper from lower Crescent Drive. And looking again closely at your picture, it looks to me there has been a fire, and the bandstand is gone. So all three are probably from about 1920.

http://imageshack.us/a/img824/3335/v1e4.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img10/7330/0mx4.jpg

The high ground at the upper right is Briarcrest Peak, which has the 250' tall KYSR radio tower on it today. Judging from the lack of development in the Wonderland Valley area, I'd guess that they stopped maintaining the switchbacks shortly after the hotel burned in 1918.

Erosion is still a problem up here. I took this picture yesterday on upper Crescent Drive at Wonderland Point:
http://imageshack.us/a/img33/3379/5rcp.jpg

And here is a picture of an upper switchback looking downhill:
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/5783/18cv.jpg

I have marked up an old topo map to show the street names as they are today:
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3496/woiy.jpg

green = Lookout Mountain Avenue
turquoise = Crescent Drive, including the "Double Bow Knot" switchbacks separating upper (to the W) and lower (to the E) Crescent Drive
purple = Appian Way
red = upper Sunset Plaza Drive
maroon = Wonderland Avenue

As a postscript, I have learned that this thread can sometimes represent something more than nostalgia for a mostly forgotten past.

Last week I got an e-mail via the Laurel Canyon Association from a group of upper Crescent Drive neighbors. They had seen my and 3940dxer's and e_r's (and now HossC's) posts on the area and wanted more information about the early days.

It seems that other neighbors on upper Sunset Plaza, including the current owners of the site of the Lookout Mountain Inn, want to close off and gate their segment of road (indicated in red on the map above). As you can see, that would cut off one of the Crescent Drive neighbors' two escape routes available to them (via Sunset Plaza Drive) in event of fire. This would force them to exit on Wonderland Avenue. Sunset Plaza is not shown on map as the map predates it, and upper and lower Crescent no longer connect.

It turns out that the red segment is a private road, but one that has some sort of city easement. It has always been freely accessible since I moved here in 1988. The Crescent Drive neighbors have a better case now because of the posts locating the Inn. Obviously the roads leading to the Inn were public roads, created by the developer in 1908. And it is harder to close off a road if it can be shown that it had a significant history of public use. A court hearing is scheduled for November, and I will try to attend.

HossC Oct 15, 2013 7:58 PM

While we're still near Laurel Canyon:

I know this picture has appeared at least twice before (see post #6319 by 3940dxer and post #16287 by Tourmaline), but I don't think we've seen it in color before.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...s.jpg~original
EBay

austlar1 Oct 16, 2013 4:02 AM

Speaking of Laurel Canyon, I thought this was kind of an interesting read. I always remember a Van Dyke Parks lyric from his Song Cycle album to the effect that what goes up Laurel Canyon must eventually come down. The attached article talks about the Laurel Canyon of the 1960s and 70s. http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?id=8846413

Earl Boebert Oct 16, 2013 1:46 PM

More, very noirish Laurel Canyon stuff over on ladailymirror.com

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Oct 16, 2013 9:18 PM

Magnificent $1,000,000. City Hall proposed for Temple Block

Los Angeles Sunday Herald, Feb. 02, 1910 (the newly built post office on the right/Hall of Records in the distance on the left)
http://imageshack.us/a/img703/3388/wz4q.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img10/1448/a1pz.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/

ethereal_reality Oct 16, 2013 9:23 PM

The post office under construction, 1909-1910
http://imageshack.us/a/img32/3679/t0ih.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/

CityBoyDoug Oct 16, 2013 9:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6304898)
Magnificent $1,000,000. City Hall proposed for Temple Block


This is a beautiful city hall building for some city in .......Germany.:uhh:

ethereal_reality Oct 16, 2013 9:30 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img580/6622/y3r6.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/



...and four years later, a 14 story annex!
http://imageshack.us/a/img21/2409/l7zj.jpg
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/
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ethereal_reality Oct 16, 2013 9:44 PM

I found this aerial of the coliseum and surrounding construction very interesting.
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/7329/mq0x.jpg
ebay

ethereal_reality Oct 16, 2013 10:07 PM

I know several of our members were taken to Bullock's Pasadena by their mothers when they were children.
http://imageshack.us/a/img600/2124/r5et.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img593/4526/96hc.jpg
ebay

Do any of you remember having lunch there? please tell-
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A reminder of the ultra-modern architecture of Bullock's Pasadena circa 1947 (yes, 1947!)
http://imageshack.us/a/img707/8948/oh8l.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4681

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ethereal_reality Oct 16, 2013 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 6302747)
As a postscript, I have learned that this thread can sometimes represent something more than nostalgia for a mostly forgotten past.

Last week I got an e-mail via the Laurel Canyon Association from a group of upper Crescent Drive neighbors. They had seen my and 3940dxer's and e_r's (and now HossC's) posts on the area and wanted more information about the early days.

It seems that other neighbors on upper Sunset Plaza, including the current owners of the site of the Lookout Mountain Inn, want to close off and gate their segment of road (indicated in red on the map above). As you can see, that would cut off one of the Crescent Drive neighbors' two escape routes available to them (via Sunset Plaza Drive) in event of fire. This would force them to exit on Wonderland Avenue. Sunset Plaza is not shown on map as the map predates it, and upper and lower Crescent no longer connect.

It turns out that the red segment is a private road, but one that has some sort of city easement. It has always been freely accessible since I moved here in 1988. The Crescent Drive neighbors have a better case now because of the posts locating the Inn. Obviously the roads leading to the Inn were public roads, created by the developer in 1908. And it is harder to close off a road if it can be shown that it had a significant history of public use. A court hearing is scheduled for November, and I will try to attend.

Thanks for sharing this Lorendoc. I was just questioning the worth of all this. Several days ago I noticed Tovanger2's photographs are missing, and her posts are all quite recent/from the previous year or so. I was very disheartened. :( (to be fair, I believe she has had some personal/health problems)

So you see Lorendoc, your post helped me out psychologically.

-Onward noirish Los Angeles!

ethereal_reality Oct 16, 2013 10:55 PM

mystery slide, 1963.
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/3739/vnjl.jpg
I am looking for help to figure out the location of this slide, mostly because I'm curious to see if that fantastic marlin/swordfish sign is still in place.
(upper left-hand corner)

The biggest clue? -probably the baseball stadium in the distance. (is it Wrigley Field or Gilmore Stadium?) I'm still researching.
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Fab Fifties Fan Oct 16, 2013 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6304967)
I know several of our members were taken to Bullock's Pasadena by their mothers when they were children.
http://imageshack.us/a/img600/2124/r5et.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img593/4526/96hc.jpg
ebay

Do any of you remember having lunch there? please tell-
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I do! But all I remember was that it was the first time I ever had carrot cake! (Just turned 60 and I still love it!!!)

The sugar is probably what caused me to wander away later and get in so damn much trouble:D

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4629

~Jon Paul

HossC Oct 17, 2013 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6305017)
mystery slide, 1963.
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/3739/vnjl.jpg
I am looking for help to figure out the location of this slide, mostly because I'm curious to see if that fantastic marlin/swordfish sign is still in place.
(upper left-hand corner)

The biggest clue? -probably the baseball stadium in the distance. (is it Wrigley Field or Gilmore Stadium?) I'm still researching.

Here's what I've found so far. The Yellow Car appears to be on the S Line which, according to Wikipedia, ran from "Watts to East Hollywood; by way of Central Avenue, Florence Avenue, Avalon Boulevard, Vernon Avenue, Vermont Street, 3rd Street, and Western Avenue."

I had no luck finding "Louisiana A & V Meats", but the 1956 Los Angeles Street Address Directory lists a branch of the Louisiana Fish Co. at 4373 Avalon Boulevard. That's on the Yellow Car S Line, and very close to Wrigley Field. Unfortunately, the directories from the '60s don't feature that branch, so it may be a dead end.

unihikid Oct 17, 2013 12:31 AM

im 100% sure thats wrigley stadium in the background.none of the buildings seem to be beverly/fairfax adjacent style.

GaylordWilshire Oct 17, 2013 1:10 AM

:previous:

My 2¢:

I think HossC has it right--4373 S Avalon, considering the S-line route and the position of the Wrigley Field, which was bounded by Avalon, San Pedro, 41st Street and 42nd Place. There were a number of Louisiana Seafood branches in the area--on S Central Ave and on Vernon, but the Avalon address just south of the stadium makes the most sense. And then there's this:


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-p...tagecircle.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C...2520PM.bmp.jpg

Actually, the angles of the façade in the 1963 shot look steeper than in the current view, but maybe camera lenses are distorting...

Anyway, sorry, ER... looks like the fish, and the building, are gone. All that's left seems possibly to be the building above.

ethereal_reality Oct 17, 2013 2:05 AM

:previous: Good eye GW. I agree, I think that's the same building.

Man, I really wanted that fish sign to still be there. :(

Wig-Wag Oct 17, 2013 2:35 AM

Mystery Slide 1963
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6305017)
mystery slide, 1963.
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/3739/vnjl.jpg
I am looking for help to figure out the location of this slide, mostly because I'm curious to see if that fantastic marlin/swordfish sign is still in place.
(upper left-hand corner)

The biggest clue? -probably the baseball stadium in the distance. (is it Wrigley Field or Gilmore Stadium?) I'm still researching.
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Gentlemen, this photo was not taken in 1963. The streetcar in the photo is a Los Angeles Transit Lines Type H-car. It carries the LATL Logo.

The Los Angeles Metropolitan Transit Authority took over the operation of the bus and streetcar lines formerly operated by LATL on March 3, 1958. They rapidly converted most of the former LATL streetcar lines to bus operation and with very few exceptions most of the H-cars (some went to museums and some to Korea) were consigned to scrap at terminal island by 1959, leaving only the streamlined PCC type cars in service.

I would date this slide to 1956-58 which would be consistent with the date of 1956 for the Louisiana Fish Co.

The remaining ex-Los Angeles Transit Lines routes - J, P, R, S, and V were converted to bus operation by the LAMTA at midnight on May 30, 1963. A date known to LA Streetcar fans as "Die Day in LA".

Opening Day at Wrigly Filed as covered in "The Catalina Islander" The "S" line is mentioned in the last paragraph. http://cat.stparchive.com/Archive/CA...9301925P06.php

Cheers,
Jack

Blaster Oct 17, 2013 2:43 AM

A reminder of the ultra-modern architecture of Bullock's Pasadena circa 1947 (yes, 1947!)
http://imageshack.us/a/img707/8948/oh8l.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4681

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I haven't been down Lake Avenue in a few years but the structure is still there, isn't it? As Macy's for a time and other shops, restaurants -- a national landmark, I believe.


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