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Chuckaluck Mar 9, 2014 3:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6484131)
The Auto Laundry also appeared in a post by BifRayRock, but in case the picture breaks up, here's a solid version (click the link under the picture for a zoomable version).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...llroom1931.jpg
USC Digital Library

Back in post #645 e_r posted a smaller version of the picture below. It shows the El Patio Ballroom and Bimini Baths before the auto laundry was built.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ioBallroom.jpg
LAPL

Another of e_r's posts on the Rainbow Gardens/Palomar Ballroom:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=644


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6288194)
Speaking of detail.


Vermont Ave - from page 615.



http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0USC Digital

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0 USC Digital



If those pics pique anyone's interest, could someone find a way of posting a complete enlarged high resolution version of the related panorama (below)? Previous effort did not do it justice! (post 13540)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/72276/rec/6


Incomplete low resolution version:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...OLF&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...OLF&DMROTATE=0


;)

Tetsu Mar 9, 2014 3:29 AM

[QUOTE=Otis Criblecoblis;6484680]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 6484555)
http://pasadena.cfwebtools.com/image...ino_N267_1.JPGCHRID

Hi, Tetsu! Forgive my pedantry, but that's 267 North El Molino. I know because I've spent many hours (well, minutes; I didn't want to get arrested or anything) staring at that lovely structure and fantasizing my living there. Such fantasies helped drive my desire to have the place we have now, less grand but just as old!

Ah, you're right! I should've noticed the mistake - it's above Colorado Boulevard, of course it's North, not South. Haha.

Reminds me - took my mom to lunch a few weeks ago and drove by your place on the way home. It was her that got me into architecture to begin with. She was most definitely impressed with the job you've done. :cheers:

Otis Criblecoblis Mar 9, 2014 7:36 AM

[QUOTE=Tetsu;6485403]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 6484680)

Ah, you're right! I should've noticed the mistake - it's above Colorado Boulevard, of course it's North, not South. Haha.

Reminds me - took my mom to lunch a few weeks ago and drove by your place on the way home. It was her that got me into architecture to begin with. She was most definitely impressed with the job you've done. :cheers:

Thanks, Tetsu. Your kind words are a balm to my soul, and my aching joints. I am actually back working on the painting project actively now; I've got the sashes out of the north front dormer for finishing, and soon I'll be painting the dormer itself, if the weather cooperates. :fingerscrossed:

BifRayRock Mar 9, 2014 4:43 PM





Otis :previous:


845 S. Los Angeles Street. Brunswick records aka Brunswick-Balke-Collender Co. Per '29 Directory Ad, "Billiards, Bowling, Panatropes, Radios and Records." Phone TRinity-4734 http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...00003/00000001

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ickLabel22.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ickLabel22.jpg



Los Angeles Street Operation. Window ad also includes refrigerators.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048064.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048064.jpg

Some of the operation's innards.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048065.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics27/00048065.jpg






HossC Mar 9, 2014 5:01 PM

:previous:

The Brunswick-Balke-Collender Building still stands as the Lady Liberty Building. See Fab Fifties Fan's previous post on the subject:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11960

Martin Pal Mar 9, 2014 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6485176)
I found a video of Sunset Strip in the 1940s on YouTube which I believe shows the outside of La Rue.

E_R Thanks for bringing up La Rue, and HossC, thanks for all these great additions.

There is a 1985 book that I learned about, but have not seen as yet, by Jim Heimann, called OUT WITH THE STARS, which chronicles the famous nightclubs of the Sunset Strip, such as La Rue and the others. I don't know if he has any good photos of La Rue in it or not, but these posts made me wonder. I understand the book is out of print.

Martin Pal Mar 9, 2014 7:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6485098)
This nice, clear aerial of the pass is dated a full year after [Monkey] 'Island' opened for business.

MR thanks for reposting the aerial below the post with the other three aerials. (Are you the one who also has the road map with Monkey Island marked on it?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6485098)
Because of the time it existed and the proliferation of vacationers and military men and women and the easy availability of small, affordable cameras, I have to believe the shot we're all looking for exists somewhere, a snapshot in a family scrapbook, a publicity still, something.

Yes, that's what I think, too. Who could resist taking photos of family or friends with the monkeys?

Something to look forward to!

AlvaroLegido Mar 9, 2014 7:29 PM

Asking our Wilshire Boulevard expert...
 
Hi GW. In the "Blue Dahlia" (not the "black" this time who was named after the movie) with Allan Ladd and Veronika Lake 1946, at 05 : 04 we see where John (main character) and Helen Morisson live. It is the Cavendish Court, a Wilshire Boulevard hotel bungalows. Is it a fictional location or a true in 1946 ?

Martin Pal Mar 9, 2014 7:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6485326)
While I was looking for pictures of La Rue earlier, I came across this 1928 aerial shot of the Bekins Storage building on Santa Monica Boulevard, and there are the stores on the right.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ABekinsSMB.jpg
hollywoodphotographs.com

This is a fantastic photo!

I love seeing the Red Car tracks along Santa Monica Blvd.

I wish the area across the street from Bekins was a nice park with those trees still there. "La Boheme" Restaurant is on the corner currently.

These photos still amaze me because these streets look flat, but they are all on a rather steep incline leading up to Sunset Blvd. San Francisco steep on the North end. (I know, I walk up and down them quite frequently.)

On Olive Drive, the street alongside Bekins, I wonder what that tower is on the building about four structures up?

If you look at the "Bekins" sign in the photo, above that--is that a line of people going in or coming out of that building? Wonder what it is?

Whether any of these housing structures still exist, I don't know, but I do know all those spacious front yards are occupied by apartment buildings!

In the top righthand corner of this photo is a structure with a yard facing the street. The address is 1108 N. Flores St. It's the site of a Tex Mex restaurant named Marix. I am going there this evening for a 50th birthday dinner for a friend and I will surely be thinking of this photograph as I walk to the destination in a few hours.

MichaelRyerson Mar 9, 2014 8:54 PM

Yep, that was me...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6485741)
MR thanks for reposting the aerial below the post with the other three aerials. (Are you the one who also has the road map with Monkey Island marked on it?)



Yes, that's what I think, too. Who could resist taking photos of family or friends with the monkeys?

Something to look forward to!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7...0c725897_b.jpg
Monkey Island2 (2).jpg Shell Map, 1942

Here it is again. Bear in mind, the freeway will pass to the east of the 'Island' putting it between the freeway and Cahuenga Blvd. I think with most maps a certain amount of imprecision exists when an 'attraction' is being depicted. The actual location, I think, would be about where the little arrowhead is printed.

ProphetM Mar 9, 2014 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6485326)

While I was looking for pictures of La Rue earlier, I came across this 1928 aerial shot of the Bekins Storage building on Santa Monica Boulevard, and there are the stores on the right.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ABekinsSMB.jpg
hollywoodphotographs.com


Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6485765)
This is a fantastic photo!

I love seeing the Red Car tracks along Santa Monica Blvd.

I wish the area across the street from Bekins was a nice park with those trees still there. "La Boheme" Restaurant is on the corner currently.

These photos still amaze me because these streets look flat, but they are all on a rather steep incline leading up to Sunset Blvd. San Francisco steep on the North end. (I know, I walk up and down them quite frequently.)

On Olive Drive, the street alongside Bekins, I wonder what that tower is on the building about four structures up?

If you look at the "Bekins" sign in the photo, above that--is that a line of people going in or coming out of that building? Wonder what it is?

Whether any of these housing structures still exist, I don't know, but I do know all those spacious front yards are occupied by apartment buildings!

In the top righthand corner of this photo is a structure with a yard facing the street. The address is 1108 N. Flores St. It's the site of a Tex Mex restaurant named Marix. I am going there this evening for a 50th birthday dinner for a friend and I will surely be thinking of this photograph as I walk to the destination in a few hours.

That restaurant and the buildings on either side are nearly the only survivors from the old photo - if those are original structures underneath remodeling. Los Angeles GISNET indicates that they are - it says 1922 for the restaurant building, 1924 for the house next door, and 1927 for the commercial building facing Santa Monica Blvd. of which we can see just a tiny corner in the old photo.

Aside from these, and the Bekins building and storefronts discussed earlier, there is one more survivor, in the very bottom right corner. This is at 1040 N. Croft, behind a house at 1036 N. Croft. You can just make out the tiled roof and arched front opening of a second-story entrance, which is just as it looks today. It was built in 1923 according to GISNET.

There were a couple of holdouts side-by-side on the east side of Kings Road until very recently (after 2011). 45-degree Google Maps aerials show them, but the more recent straight-down picture shows a big building under construction. I think the southernmost of those two houses is at the edge of the old photo - you can see most of the house and a detached garage in back. For the second house all you can see in the old photo is the rear detached garage.

There is one more house still on Kings Road - west side, closer to Santa Monica blvd. - but I think it is still an empty lot in the old photo. GISNET says it was built in 1935.

Flyingwedge Mar 9, 2014 10:54 PM

SE corner of 6th and Alvarado
 
In 1905 it was home to the Los Angeles School of Art and Design:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/4793/rec/1

The letters over the door seem to indicate the building was originally a hotel or apartment building. Is that a fire or police call box at the curb?
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...e.jpg~original

I wonder how many different streetcars de Longpre had to take from his home at Cahuenga and Hollywood to get to the school? Was he easier or harder on students who painted flowers?
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...e.jpg~original
1905 LA City Directory @ fold3.com

The former 6th and Alvarado site of the Los Angeles School of Art and Design is now occupied by this, planned by someone arguably unfamiliar with either art or design, or by someone with
a keen appreciation of historical irony (and also possibly the designer of the building on the NE corner of 6th and Alvarado: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...tcount=13655):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original
GSV

GaylordWilshire Mar 10, 2014 12:12 AM

:previous:


http://i.imgur.com/7rwOpkA.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/VaoLRs8.jpg


LAHerald

GaylordWilshire Mar 10, 2014 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido (Post 6485757)
Hi GW. In the "Blue Dahlia" (not the "black" this time who was named after the movie) with Allan Ladd and Veronika Lake 1946, at 05 : 04 we see where John (main character) and Helen Morisson live. It is the Cavendish Court, a Wilshire Boulevard hotel bungalows. Is it a fictional location or a true in 1946 ?


The bungalows of the Miramar at the western end of Wilshire stood in for the "Cavendish Court" in the Blue Dahlia...

http://i.imgur.com/hewJ0LM.jpgDear Old Hollywood

A screenshot from the BD...


Here's a shot of the main part of the hotel, dated 1947:

http://i.imgur.com/1WvBRPJ.jpgUSCDL

The USCDL information doesn't include the identity of the attractive couple seen in the shot.... Is that their '41 Ford coupe? Could they be French? Way before you ever saw Goyard luggage on every other corner, here it appears to be in Santa Monica in 1947....

http://i.imgur.com/CRo6wug.jpg

Retired_in_Texas Mar 10, 2014 2:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6485908)
The former 6th and Alvarado site of the Los Angeles School of Art and Design is now occupied by this, planned by someone arguably unfamiliar with either art or design, or by someone with a keen appreciation of historical irony (and also possibly the designer of the building on the NE corner of 6th and Alvarado: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...tcount=13655):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original
GSV

Wow, I don't know that I'd cast that aspersion on the designer. It is a reasonably fine example of Southwestern leaning design as one might expect to find around Santa Fe, New Mexico. It seems to me the original appearance of the building is totally overshadowed by all the "crap" hanging on it and in windows. Not to mention that ventilation duct that would obviously not been there originally.

It would seem the building previously seen as being across the street from it suffers from the same "crap" problem. In both cases it appears the buildings are a form of a Mall with possibly two floors of apartments and/or offices. Both appear to be fully occupied which makes for a happy owner/investor.

Flyingwedge Mar 10, 2014 3:58 AM

More Fraternal Brotherhood
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5147253)
Does anyone know where this Fraternal Brotherhood Building was located?

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9...albuilt190.jpg
ebay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 5147647)
Ain't she something? This one has always fascinated me in no small reason because it was replaced by LA's ugliest building. Or so the story goes. That is:

1904, and the Fraternal Brotherhood gets Theodore Eisen (of '88 Courthouse fame, and that Boyle Heights orphan asylum, and who of course sired Percy Eisen) to design this:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5138/...655ca326_o.jpgproquest

at 845 S Fig, the NW corner of Fig and Lincoln (Lincoln now "W Eighth Place").

I know the FB building lasted through the early 50s but but I haven't poked around every photo to see if it stood past then. Maybe it was a parking lot for some time before the late 60s -- what we do know though is that in 1969, voila:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5174/...fd9ab23d_o.jpggoogle maps

Max Linder (who later in the early 70s tears down the Gates Hotel at 6th and Fig and to put up "Linder Plaza") builds this Bank of California/computer service center (Robert Clements & Associates, archs). Now, don't get me wrong, I happen to like 60s Corporate Modern. But according to this article http://blogdowntown.com/2007/05/2629...-ugliest-crown the overgrown, pockmarked, long-abandoned structure is considered DT's ugliest.

That said, some more of the Brotherhood, in rememberance:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/...8a691dde_o.jpghttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...chs-m2079.html

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5294/...bb5d8bdb_o.jpghttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...chs-m2080.html

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...4.jpg~original
LA Herald Jan 15 1905 @ Library of Congress -- http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...ed-1/seq-9.pdf

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original
Los Angeles, the Old and the New (J. E. Scott, 1911) @ HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=66

Apparently the Fraternal Brotherhood changed its name to the Golden West Life Insurance Company in 1931, but I couldn't find any other info: http://fraternalalliance.org/wp-cont...ETIES-2012.pdf

P.S. Thanks GW for the f/u on the LA School of Art and Design. I never would have guessed that the building was named for people running the school.

oldstuff Mar 10, 2014 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6486221)
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...4.jpg~original
LA Herald Jan 15 1905 @ Library of Congress -- http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...ed-1/seq-9.pdf

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original
Los Angeles, the Old and the New (J. E. Scott, 1911) @ HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=66

Apparently the Fraternal Brotherhood changed its name to the Golden West Life Insurance Company in 1931, but I couldn't find any other info: http://fraternalalliance.org/wp-cont...ETIES-2012.pdf

P.S. Thanks GW for the f/u on the LA School of Art and Design. I never would have guessed that the building was named for people running the school.

Re: the Fraternal Brotherhood, in the last article, it mentions that the Brotherhood was founded, in part by James A. Foshay, initially Superintendent of Schools. The 1900 census has his address as 2344 Scarff Street, Los Angeles. The assessor's office does not list that address anymore, but there are some very interesting houses in that vicinity, which now is near USC. The closest address to 2344 is 2342, which was built in 1902 and still stands. Check out the street view.

Foshay was born in New York in 1856 and came to California to teach school in 1888. Mr Foshay is mentioned again in 1889 when his name appears in an article regarding the Incorporation of Monrovia. He is listed as being a member of the First Monrovia Band and it is noted that he played a Solo B Flat Cornet. H shows up again in 1899 when his name appears as the "Emminent Commander" of the Los Angeles Commandery in an obituary for a fellow Mason. There is a biography for him in the book about Monrovia, which indicates that he was a 33rd degree Mason.

James Foshay was elected to the Supreme Presidency of the Fraternal Brotherhood in 1905, a post to which he was re-elected in 1909 and again in 1913.

Mr Foshay was married and had at least one daughter. He died in 1914. His wife Phoebe, died in 1949.

Below is the info for a picture of Mr Foshay at his desk in around 1902. ( I still don't know how to get the actual picture to work) Note the set up for the phone behind him attached to the desk

href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3APortrait_of_James_A._Foshay_(1856-1914)_at_his_desk%2C_ca.1902_(CHS-3763).jpg"><img width="512" alt="Portrait of James A. Foshay (1856-1914) at his desk, ca.1902 (CHS-3763)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Portrait_of_James_A._Foshay_%281856-1914%29_at_his_desk%2C_ca.1902_%28CHS-3763%29.jpg/512px-Portrait_of_James_A._Foshay_%281856-1914%29_at_his_desk%2C_ca.1902_%28CHS-3763%29.jpg"/></a>

GaylordWilshire Mar 10, 2014 3:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6485908)
In 1905 it was home to the Los Angeles School of Art and Design:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/4793/rec/1

The former 6th and Alvarado site of the Los Angeles School of Art and Design is now occupied by this, planned by someone arguably unfamiliar with either art or design, or by someone with a keen appreciation of historical irony...

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original
GSV


Safe to say that the builder of the current building was completely uninterested in art and design but rather more interested in exploiting the value of the property. Nothing wrong with that, but neither does it do much for anything but very local commerce--just makes Los Angeles that much uglier. Now, RiT... Santa Fe may be a concocted cityscape, but, as someone who spends time there, I've never seen anything like this. Certainly there is lots of this crap in old Mexico aside from the tourist towns, maybe in Texas border towns, but not in Santa Fe.

Anyway, I'm not sure how long the LA School of Art & Design remained at 602 S Alvarado, but another apparent tenant, at least for a while, looks noirishly interesting...


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-j...2520AM.bmp.jpgLAT July 10, 1910


There seems to be no end to Dr. White's foolishness...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-D...151%2520AM.jpghttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y...ansarticle.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B...2520AM.bmp.jpghttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...2520AM.bmp.jpg
LAT May 22, 1915/Sept 24, 1921/Sept 26, 1921/NYT Dec 25, 1913


Looks like Dr. White escaped prison:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U...2520AM.bmp.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...2520AM.bmp.jpg
LAT Nov 1, 1931


Still in trouble as late as the '40s..

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v...2520AM.bmp.jpg

National Library of Medicine; full report here:
http://archive.nlm.nih.gov/fdanj/bit.../ddnj02541.pdf


From http://chirobase.org

Another notorious quack of the early 1900's was George Starr White, who claimed several degrees, three of which (N.D., D.C., and Ph.C.) were issued to him in 1921 by the Los Angeles College of Chiropractic. White also had medical degrees obtained from the New York Homeopathic Medical College in 1908 [5]. White, who promoted himself through newspaper advertisements and testimonials, was a follower of Albert Abrams and taught courses in spondylotherapy -- that lasted one week -- throughout the west and midwest. In addition to the practice of chiropractic, White was responsible for the promotion of an endless array of mechanical and medical nostrums. Many such "medical practitioners" are quoted today by cults and quasimedical organizations that still exist in the twilight of pseudoprofessionalism. The teachings and quackery of both Abrams and White still exert an influence over the practice of a few present-day chiropractors.

HossC Mar 10, 2014 4:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 6486635)

Below is the info for a picture of Mr Foshay at his desk in around 1902. ( I still don't know how to get the actual picture to work) Note the set up for the phone behind him attached to the desk.

Here you go (I went for a larger version):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...HS-3763%29.jpg

Retired_in_Texas Mar 10, 2014 5:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6486684)
Safe to say that the builder of the current building was completely uninterested in art and design but rather more interested in exploiting the value of the property. Nothing wrong with that, but neither does it do much for anything but very local commerce--just makes Los Angeles that much uglier. Now, RiT... Santa Fe may be a concocted cityscape, but, as someone who spends time there, I've never seen anything like this. Certainly there is lots of this crap in old Mexico aside from the tourist towns, maybe in Texas border towns, but not in Santa Fe.

Well GW, yes in Santa Fe. And no you won't find an exact duplicate for a variety of reasons. What you will find is what in New Mexico and specifically around Santa Fe is a lot of what is an architectural style that has come to known locally as "Territorial", whatever that is. It appears to me to be an attempt to blend Pueblo with a bastardized form of shopping center modern. I personally find no great similarity with it and the true nature of structures that would have been built in New Mexico's territorial period. As a comment on Santa Fe in general, since the loons have discovered Santa Fe what we commonly see in new residential and commercial buildings are horribly exaggerated "Pueblo" style structures with an appearance that historically never existed anywhere with in the region, not even in Santa Fe's historic region.

As for the L.A. buildings in question, once one strips away the tenant junk that building owners have unfortunately allowed what we have is a variation of Streamline Modern with distinctive 1950/1960's perceptions of Southwestern leanings as I see it. Whether the buildings "ugly up" downtown L.A. I think that would be hard to do given the profusion of "ugly" already there. I think you are allowing cultural creep deflect you from the basic design nature of the buildings.


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