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ethereal_reality

Jul 24, 2017 2:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7873616)

Wow, great photo, e_r . . . it's way better than both of mine put together!

I was pretty stoked when I found it this afternoon.

Here's another photo (from the same seller) that has a certain 'Wow' factor.

Lincoln Park, Los Angeles 1890s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/Jjn29z.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1890s-Long-B...3D152598913199

I'm not 100% sure which direction we're looking or what buildings are shown...

but I can say the church looks somewhat 'Russian' (how close was the Molokan enclave 'Russian Flats' to Lincoln Park?)
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update:

I just reread the seller's description and he/she believe the photo is of Long Beach. (?)

"Lincoln Park, once known as Pacific Park. The park was created in 1887 and was the first in the city of Long Beach."

ethereal_reality

Jul 24, 2017 3:08 AM

'mystery' photo.

"An unidentified interior location in Los Angeles." [1890s]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/X619kz.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1890s-Long-B...%257Ciid%253A1

At first I thought the framed 'pic' on the left was a collection of business cards...but it might be a map of some sort.

The shop appears to be selling clocks and bric-a brac (?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/gIdsv4.jpg
detail

odinthor

Jul 24, 2017 4:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7873597)

This intriguing photograph was included with the one above.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/Ne7FMb.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1890s-Los-An...QAAOSwFqNZTvT-

"The second photo is of the "Carnival of Flowers" celebration which took place at the YMCA on April 12, 1893. This is the original Los Angeles YMCA which was once located on Spring Street. This event was covered in newspapers during the time and you should be able to find more information online. It has original fountain pen writing on it which says, "Special Display YMCA By Mrs. George Gillette '93." Mrs' Gillette was wife of George Gillette of the razor/shaving company of today.
Please note that the actual photo and the writing is much clearer than the scan shows.'

odinthor, do you recognize any of these cut flowers and plants?

(I'm still trying to figure out the shape in the upper right portion of the window that looks like a large black C) What the hell is that? :shrug:

It's pretty unclear; but I think I'm seeing Eucalyptus globulus leaves and/or twigs, a potted geranium, a staghorn fern, a bouquet of carnations, some small-leafed ivy, sometimes trained and clipped into shapes, and a banana plant. The things on the display table under the arch might be florist Chrysanthemums. That "C" is a mystery to me too! It looks like the sort of funky font you'd find in a surfer or south seas environment in the 1960s and onwards.

Flyingwedge

Jul 24, 2017 4:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7873597)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/Ne7FMb.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1890s-Los-An...QAAOSwFqNZTvT-

"The second photo is of the "Carnival of Flowers" celebration which took place at the YMCA on April 12, 1893. This is the original Los Angeles YMCA which was once located on Spring Street. This event was covered in newspapers during the time and you should be able to find more information online. It has original fountain pen writing on it which says, "Special Display YMCA By Mrs. George Gillette '93." Mrs' Gillette was wife of George Gillette of the razor/shaving company of today.
Please note that the actual photo and the writing is much clearer than the scan shows.'

(I'm still trying to figure out the shape in the upper right portion of the window that looks like a large black C) What the hell is that? :shrug:

The "C" is a lamp (there's another one to the left) in front of a black window shade.

The ebay seller is correct; I was able to find more information. Here's an ad for the Carnival of Flowers. In 1893 the YMCA was at 207-211 S. Broadway.

Krell58

Jul 24, 2017 8:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 7873105)

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Edit: I just remembered another that was familiar - The Starlight Room at Melody Lane, Wilshire & Western. I remembered Melody Lane from photos of the Hollywood & Vine location mainly. e_r posted about a Wilshire & Detroit location, and HossC had a post about Carpenter's Drive-Ins in 2013 that showed the Melody Lane at Wilshire & Western:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17961

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...MelodyLane.jpg
HossC's post, detail from USC pic.

I was wondering, do any of the old circular coffee shops like Stan's or Carpenter's still exist?

Tourmaline

Jul 24, 2017 3:47 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/OBoRP2.png

:previous:

Easily confused?

The Hawthorn and Hawthorne spellings almost suggest they are one and the same. Is 7033 Hawthorne Avenue "a stone's throw from the Roosevelt Hotel?":shrug:

Per '36CD, 7033 Hawthorn Av. (without the "e") was occupied by "The New York Bridge Club." By '42, the same address was occupied by chiropractors, Max Braddock and M.H. Braden.

Martin Pal

Jul 24, 2017 5:40 PM

:previous:

Hawthorn Avenue is the street parallel to Hollywood Blvd. a block south. It connects to Orange Grove on the east and La Brea to the west. I don't know if it was in 1934, but now you enter the Roosevelt Hotel's parking lot on Orange Grove and you exit on Hawthorn at the corner of Orange Grove. So it's very likely you could throw a stone, at least from the roof, to 7033 Hawthorn Avenue. Now, the entire street seems to consist of apartment buildings. It's not clear what exactly is now at 7033, there's a long low brown building with no signage indicating an apartment bldg. or anything else.

Martin Pal

Jul 24, 2017 6:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 7873581)

Who WAS Sascha Brastoff?

That was interesting information, Jeff Diego. "Winged Victory" sounds like a movie I would already have seen, but apparently it's pretty rare with some sellers offering dvd's of it from unknown sources.

The photo of Sascha with Carmen Miranda makes him look shorter than she was, and she was under 5 feet tall!

When I tried to find out his height on imdb, I noticed that The Sascha Brastoff Esplanade, 246 26th Street, Santa Monica, California that you mentioned was a filming location in the 1973 B-movie The Candy Snatchers.

CityBoyDoug

Jul 24, 2017 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7874162)

I examined Sascha's various art works, the plates, the lamps, etc.. I hate to say this but I can see why they didn't ''catch on". :uhh::uhh:

But I must add that the West Olympic building was spectacular.:tup::tup::tup:

There is no doubt that Sascha left his mark upon the LA area but just what was that mark?

HossC

Jul 24, 2017 7:00 PM

Let's start the week with a trip to the sea. This is Julius Shulman's "Job 1780: Kliegman and Leizer, Sea View Motel, 1954". You know the story - this is about half of the set.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

A look around the back.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

I believe the sea view in the motel's name is at the far right.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

This deck area looks to be a good size.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

The last two images show the interior of one of the rooms.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

I'll finish with this shot looking back to the central courtyard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

It was a pleasant surprise to find the Seaview Motor Hotel virtually unchanged at 1760 Ocean Ave, Santa Monica.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV

Tourmaline

Jul 24, 2017 8:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7874119)

:previous:

Hawthorn Avenue is the street parallel to Hollywood Blvd. a block south.

Thanks for the clarification. The existence (or non existence) of a vowel can make a big difference when exploring for permits and trying to locate Moe's. FWIW, "7033" appears to have been residential. In 1934, Moe's could have been a "short term" residential "conversion." There is evidence of a sleeping and/or sun porch on the property. Permits issued in the late '40s indicate the location was converted to mutli-units, i.e., "apartment hotel."

Notably, Hawthorn and Highland border Hollywood High's Memorial Auditorium.

1929 - Before the air was conditioned.
http://waterandpower.org/3%20Histori...Auditorium.jpg http://waterandpower.org/3%20Histori...Auditorium.jpg http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...oll65/id/24338

oldstuff

Jul 24, 2017 9:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7874162)

I find a draft registration for him for WWII which lists his height at 67" or about 5'6"

Bristolian

Jul 24, 2017 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7874119)

Coincidentally, or perhaps not (?), Hawthorne Boulevard turns into La Brea Avenue at Century Boulevard.

JeffDiego

Jul 25, 2017 12:36 AM

Sascha Brastoff

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7874205)

I agree, Doug. In my opinion, his work looks kitschy/50's - but obviously it WAS hot stuff for several years - and there are plenty of people who collect Sascha Brastoff items...so, to each his own.

It would be interesting to see those early terra-cotta "whimsies" that sold out at a NY gallery around 1941 - supposedly even the Metropolitan Museum of Art bought one. According to one source, there is a Life Magazine article about the gallery show.

And yes, the building was beautiful. If it still stood it would surely be listed in L.A architectural guides.

ethereal_reality

Jul 25, 2017 12:51 AM

re: floral room for the "Carnival of Flowers" [1893]

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 7873705)

Thanks for giving it your best shot odinthor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

The "C" is a lamp (there's another one to the left) in front of a black window shade.

OK, I see it now FW....the glass lamp is creating the center of the 'C'. (it took me a bit)
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It was great seeing the Shulman photos of the Seaview Motor Hotel Hoss.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/mRtjoG.jpgdetail

I think Biff up in J-7 is trying to organize a party.

The nice looking blonde at the bottom reminds me of Joi Lansing

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/Z5LupL.jpg
for some reason

;)

ethereal_reality

Jul 25, 2017 2:00 AM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/WQdJFX.jpg
ebay

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/zjUxlP.jpg

They left out an important detail; that the building was suppose to connect with the floors of the Alexander Hotel next door.

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GaylordWilshire

Jul 25, 2017 11:37 AM

:previous:

http://a.scpr.org/i/e60e33e76be02ac1...50567-wide.jpg

From a good story linked in post 20797 (2014): http://www.scpr.org/programs/offramp...to-be/?slide=3

There were a number of posts about the Alexandria annex in 2012-- below are some links, although most of the images are gone....

post 8332

post 9979

Here is a link to a DT News story pulled from one post:

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/b....88086&cbst=38

マイルズ	Jul 25, 2017 12:51 PM

Hey guys,

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before, but UCSB released an amazing tool for aerial photography. There are hundreds (thousands?) of images of Los Angeles from 1927 onwards. Check it out!

http://mil.library.ucsb.edu/ap_indexes/FrameFinder/

Tourmaline

Jul 25, 2017 2:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 7874583)

Quote:

In 1940 at age 22, Sascha moved to New York City, and joined the Clay Club. He worked feverishly at his art, while working as a window dresser at Macy's for his "day job". Sascha's work was well received in New York art circles. All of his 37 piece exhibit sold at his first showing in the Clay Club Sculpture Gallery, May of 1941.

Just as a four page spread touting his engaging new designs was printed in the December 1941 issue of Live[sic] Magazine, America entered WWII. http://www.myantiquemall.com/AQstori...b/SaschaB.html

(:whisper: LIFE was primarily a weekly publication.)

"Famed factory, gallery and tropical gardens. . ."
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ce3a9b4684.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ce3a9b4684.jpg

JeffDiego

Jul 25, 2017 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7875029)

One more tidbit of trivia, in one of Hoss' photos you see two men on the breezeway/entrance patio - that is likely (in my opinion) Brastoff in what appear to be jeans with the cuffs rolled up, talking to a balding man who is holding some files.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/FwkGXO.jpg
Thanks to Hoss for these Sascha Brastoff building photos

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