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Lakelander Mar 21, 2013 10:44 AM

An update on the OIA's attempt to fund a train station and garage on their property for AAF.

Quote:

OIA drops terminal for now, still wants train depot

By Dan Tracy, Orlando Sentinel

Orlando International Airport officials are backing away from building a new southern terminal, but they still want a $470 million monorail and parking garage for a train depot — despite opposition from the major airlines.

Airport Chairman Frank Kruppenbacher said the train station is too important to the region's economy to be scuttled. The monorail and 3,500-space garage would link to a depot paid for by the All Aboard Florida train that would run between South Florida and the airport.

"If somebody can show me it's a mistake, I'm always willing to listen to it. But so far I've not heard anything other than economic opportunity associated with that [train station] and an improvement of our airport operations," Kruppenbacher said in an interview with the Orlando Sentinel.
full article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2820400.story

Dale Mar 21, 2013 2:46 PM

Seems like Orlando's the holdup for AAF.

N830MH May 24, 2013 4:50 AM

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/2...of-at-new.html

Fix for design goof at new Miami airport central train station to cost millions, delay opening

Quote:

State transportation officials trying to fix a critical engineering snafu at the new train station under construction at Miami International Airport’s $2 billion transportation hub have backed off the cheapest fix: closing off Northwest 25th Street. But they must now choose from a menu of alternatives that are all substantially more complex, costly and time-consuming.

The bottom line, engineers for the Florida Department of Transportation told members of the Metropolitan Planning Organization on Thursday: correcting the mistake could now cost up to tens of millions of dollars. A source familiar with the project said that could also delay opening of the $88 million Miami Central Station by as much as a year, or to early 2015.
Guess, they won't be open for this year. They pushback to early 2015. They want to reconstruction new MIA central airport station.

electricron May 24, 2013 5:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 6139690)
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/2...of-at-new.html
Fix for design goof at new Miami airport central train station to cost millions, delay opening

Miami's airport central stations has nothing what-so-ever to do with FEC!
Why did you include this bit of news in this topic? Wouldn't this bit of news be more appropriate with the "Miami: MetroRail expansion to the airport begins construction" thread?

Lakelander Jun 6, 2013 9:19 PM

The FEC project appears to be stimulating TOD talk in Downtown Miami already. From the Metro Jacksonville discussion boards:

Quote:

The Miami Herald is reporting that MDM development is pushing forward with the new Miami Convention Center and a 1800 room Marriott hotel.

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/...wOl.Em.56.jpeg

Highly noted is the impetus MDM got when they saw that FECI was developing their Miami train station for All Aboard Florida, which is across the street from the MDM 4 block parcel. Also noted is that this development will have direct pedestrian access to the new AAF station.

The convention center and hotel would be linked directly to the train station and the Overtown Metrorail station through sky bridges

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/1...on-center.html

The YouTube video of the development prominently shows the planned Miami AAF station and tower.

http://youtu.be/Aui9oP-IE9o

How related the two developments are could be debated, but it does show how investment in a urban transit center can trigger investment in nearby properties.
Quote:

MiamiToday reports that a recent Miami Chmaber of Commerce meeting where members say the new AAF station has become a catalyst to redevelop the west side. They believe that the new station will "transform" west all the way to I-95.

Rail depot, condos to propel west side

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/130606/story6.shtml

bobdreamz Jun 8, 2013 8:33 AM

The hotel design looks great and glad their will be skybridges connecting the All Aboard Florida train station & this convention center. My issue is that the MDM company were the one was that were supposed to develop the MET 3 Highrise that was going to be Miami's tallest and that project fell through.

Lakelander Jun 26, 2013 3:30 PM

This project is still moving forward. I've also been informed that after the Orlando-Miami link comes on-line, studies will start on connecting that line to Jacksonville. Evidently, their development arm is interesting in several downtown Jax properties around the old rail terminal.

State, All Aboard Florida sign deal for Miami-to-Orlando train

Quote:

A train that would link Orlando to Miami has taken a giant step closer to becoming reality.

The builders of All Aboard Florida reached an agreement with the state to lay tracks on land along the BeachLine Expressway.

The deal struck by All Aboard Florida and the Florida Department of Transportation likely will be copied this morning by Orlando's main road building agency, which also owns part of the BeachLine.

If the Orlando Orange County Expressway Authority signs off, that would leave All Aboard Florida needing only the approval of its final destination, Orlando International Airport, to complete its route through Central Florida.

Airport spokeswoman Carolyn Fennell said representatives of the railroad would be meeting with Orlando International officials on Friday to talk about a pact. She would not say how close the sides were to an agreement.
full article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,5236088.story

atlantaguy Jun 27, 2013 3:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakelander (Post 6178374)
This project is still moving forward. I've also been informed that after the Orlando-Miami link comes on-line, studies will start on connecting that line to Jacksonville. Evidently, their development arm is interesting in several downtown Jax properties around the old rail terminal.

State, All Aboard Florida sign deal for Miami-to-Orlando train



full article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,5236088.story

Thanks for posting this, Lakelander.

According to late updates in the Sentinel, the Expressway Authority also signed off on the deal. ;)

brickell Jul 29, 2013 8:53 PM

Miami-Orlando train plans gain steam
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/2...lans-gain.html
Quote:

Managers of the project to operate a premium Miami-Orlando passenger train service say they are close to putting out bids to design the railroad corridor stretching from downtown Miami to the Orlando International Airport.

“We will be awarding design packages for the West Palm Beach to Miami segment August or September,” Husein Cumber, executive vice president for corporate development for Florida East Coast Industries, told a meeting Thursday in Coral Gables of the Florida Transportation Commission.

After the meeting, Cumber went further and said the design packages are for the Miami-Orlando corridor.

“The design and engineering packages we plan to release are for varying segments of the 240-mile corridor,” Cumber said later. “We anticipate beginning construction on the rail infrastructure between Miami and West Palm Beach by the end of this year.”

eleven=11 Jul 29, 2013 10:44 PM

what about the Orlando airport station ??
any new news.......

N830MH Aug 20, 2013 6:09 PM

All Aboard Florida Seeks Downtown Miami train Hub
 
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/2...-downtown.html

Quote:

Managers for All Aboard Florida, the project to build an Orlando-to-Miami passenger train service, are about to begin negotiations with Miami’s Community Redevelopment Agency to acquire two parcels in downtown Miami as part of the plan to build a massive train station and transportation hub downtown.

eleven=11 Aug 28, 2013 11:33 AM

new news
 
the Florida Trend has new news !!!
excellent stuff about All Aboard
also SunRail and The Wave........

brickell Aug 28, 2013 2:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6246980)
the Florida Trend has new news !!!
excellent stuff about All Aboard
also SunRail and The Wave........

A link might help...
Ticket to ride on FECI's 'All Aboard Florida'
http://www.floridatrend.com/article/...aboard-florida

Quote:

FECI leaders thought FECI should look into it. In 2012, the company launched ridership studies. An initial draft by Morristown, N.J.-based consulting firm Louis Berger Group reported that after a three-year ramp-up to get travelers accustomed to the service, All Aboard would draw 3.29 million riders a year, generating $145 million in revenue, and would grow ridership at 1.3% per year, keeping pace with overall growth in the travel market. More recent estimates put no ceiling on ridership, estimating a market of 50 million trips each year for which All Aboard Florida can compete — trips beginning and ending near a proposed station. About 75% of the train's projected ridership is leisure travelers, with the remaining 25% business travelers.
And info on the local projects
Snapshot: Local Rail in Florida
http://www.floridatrend.com/article/...ail-in-florida

brickell Sep 16, 2013 8:53 PM

Megaproject Revealed: All Aboard Florida's elevated grand central station
http://exmiami.org/index.php/aboard-...-office-space/

bobdreamz Sep 17, 2013 7:47 AM

^ this is going to be a massive boon to the west side of downtown Miami. It's going to be crazy seeing a passenger train pull into a station 40+ feet above the ground!

BrennanW Sep 17, 2013 9:53 AM

If the FEC is working with SOM for the development of the train station, I have no qualms about how the end result will be: stunning!

eleven=11 Oct 2, 2013 9:42 PM

Orlando airport is a go go
as of Oct 2nd

anybody got any pics/plans of the new
airport train station?????

N830MH Oct 3, 2013 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6287959)
Orlando airport is a go go
as of Oct 2nd

anybody got any pics/plans of the new
airport train station?????

Do you have a official release?

Lakelander Oct 4, 2013 4:40 AM

More AAF news. Tampa is worried that the second phase will be to Jax instead of them. Looking at this logically, they are probably right. FEC already owns existing track to Jax. It's much cheaper and quicker to add passenger trains on it than building something new down the middle of I-4 (I can't imagine CSX allowing them on their line).

Quote:

Tampa wants All Aboard Florida rails to run its way

TAMPA — Tampa lost a chance to enhance travel and economic development links with Orlando when Gov. Rick Scott in 2011 declined $2.4 billion in federal funding to build the first leg of a high-speed rail project between the two cities, with later plans to reach Miami.

Some residents and officials accepted news last year of a privately funded, conventional passenger train proposal between Miami and Orlando as consolation of sorts, because All Aboard Florida officials indicated their project eventually could be extended to Tampa.

But recently, Tampa Bay area business and elected officials report hearing some disconcerting buzz .

While plans for the new Miami-Orlando trains are on target to begin service in late 2015, local officials worry a second phase of the project could bypass Tampa for an Orlando-Jacksonville route.
full article: http://tbo.com/news/business/tampa-w...-way-20131003/

Lakelander Oct 4, 2013 4:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 6289560)
Do you have a official release?

Here you go!

Quote:

All Aboard Florida to have big impact on Orlando

The 17-month journey for the $1.5 billion Orlando-to-Miami passenger rail to get the blessings of the Greater Orlando Aviation Authority is finally over.

The authority on Oct. 2 approved three deals with the Coral Gables-based All Aboard Florida intercity rail system: rail line easement, intermodal station premises agreement and a lease for a new 80-acre vehicle maintenance facility south of the airport.

The last deal would create more than 100 high-skill, high-wage jobs in the region
full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/n...rida-will.html

N830MH Oct 16, 2013 3:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakelander (Post 6290002)

Here the video:

http://www.orlandoairports.net/meeti...1002_video.htm

N830MH Oct 17, 2013 1:23 AM

MCO Board approves $1.1 billions expansion
 
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...,4042699.story

Orlando Airport board has been approves today for airport expansion.

Let the speculation begin.

atlantaguy Oct 17, 2013 3:10 AM

^I would say this seals the deal. Great news for my former State.

Lakelander Oct 22, 2013 2:39 AM

AAF confirms ownership of recently purchased land in DT West Palm Beach. An AAF station and TOD will be built there:

Quote:

In the block between the FEC tracks and Rosemary Avenue to the west and bordered by Datura and Evernia streets to the north and south, the company has purchased $5.5 million of property. Development surrounding the station likely will move FECI as far along to recuperating its $1.5 billion investment as much as ticket sales.
Quote:

The station itself is expected to serve passengers with retail shops for coffee, magazines and travel amenities like toothbrushes. But the surrounding development could include a hotel and residential condo, company executives have said.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/bu...acres-f/nbPxz/

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/l...-purchases.jpg

N830MH Oct 22, 2013 5:24 PM

Will all the building to be demolished?

electricron Oct 22, 2013 8:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 6311701)
Will all the building to be demolished?

Yes, I believe those numbered in the photo will be demolished. (1) and (2) will be the station location, while (3) and (4) will be needed to provide parking and possibly other uses, residential or commercial, above the parking garages.

waltlantz Oct 23, 2013 5:02 AM

I'm I looking at that right seeing a single track for the FEC line?

Hows that gonna work with AAF AND TriRail?

BrennanW Oct 23, 2013 5:42 AM

Since the AAF project hasn't yet begun construction, they're going to add another track and create grade separation for much of the line. Right now, most of the FEC line is a single track.

ardecila Oct 23, 2013 6:58 AM

Double-track: yes.
Grade separation: no.

The only exception is in downtown Miami, where several blocks of the rail line will be elevated to form a terminal station.

brickell Oct 23, 2013 1:51 PM

Tri-rail runs on the CSX track further west. There's talk of extending it onto the FEC line, but that hasn't gotten anywhere lately that I'm aware of.

eleven=11 Nov 21, 2013 7:50 PM

was there new news?
they picked a site for Fort Lauderdale......

Lakelander Nov 24, 2013 1:10 PM

Yes:

AAF announced their plan for the new Ft Lauderdale station and associated development.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-all-a...,2083396.story

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...ation-Location

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/bu...station/nb2Wj/

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/l...stationmap.jpg

Quote:

Per the SunSentinel :

FORT LAUDERDALE —
A largely ignored area at the north edge of downtown could be transformed into a new city center, with housing and retail rising around a landmark rail station that connects people to trains, buses and streetcars.

All Aboard Florida, the private Miami-Orlando passenger rail service, announced Friday it will build a 25,000-square-foot station adjacent to the Florida East Coast Railway tracks on Northwest Second Avenue, between Broward Boulevard and Northwest Fourth Street.

"We selected this area since it's strategically located in close proximity to cultural, entertainment and employment centers and connections to other transportation options," said Michael Reininger, president and chief development officer of the $1.5 billion privately funded venture.

It is the last of four sites to be picked; the others are based in the downtowns of Miami and West Palm Beach, and at Orlando International Airport.

All Aboard Florida, owned by Florida East Coast Industries of Coral Gables, is buying up other parcels near the station site to spur development, which could include a mix of high-rise condos, apartments, shops and restaurants or offices. The other South Florida stations similarly are expected to be magnets for development.
see link above for full article.

Lakelander Nov 24, 2013 1:13 PM

Also, Tampa isn't happy....

The cover of this weeks TBJ says "On Track to be Left Behind" with another called "All Aboard or Out of the Loop". They dragged Hussein Cumber of AAF over to town to give more details, though he said he had no information on any future plans in any location.

Tampa Bay Business Journal:
http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/....html?page=all

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/....html?page=all

Eightball Nov 24, 2013 4:11 PM

Thanks for the updates Lakelander, very interesting.

I hope AAF does in fact happen. Will be awesome for the state of FL if it does.

atlantaguy Nov 25, 2013 6:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eightball (Post 6351233)
Thanks for the updates Lakelander, very interesting.

I hope AAF does in fact happen. Will be awesome for the state of FL if it does.

Oh, this is definitely happening. This is OLD money (by Florida standards) at work here, and they know exactly what they are doing.

There is absolutely a market for this.

Jasonhouse Nov 25, 2013 7:28 AM

Rick Scott screwed Tampa so hard.

electricron Nov 25, 2013 8:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse (Post 6351881)
Rick Scott screwed Tampa so hard.

Really? Even FEC desires transit near their planned stations. What transit does Tampa Bay have connecting all its cities together, for example Tampa with St. Petersburg? Orlando, Kissimmee, and Sanford will have Sun Rail, while Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, and West Palm Beach already have Tri Rail.
Additionally, FEC's AAF will be privately financed, I wish I could say the same for the ex-HSR proposal from Tampa. Tampa should look at establishing fast mass transit lines before expecting faster intercity trains than the existing Amtrak service.

Lakelander Nov 25, 2013 11:50 AM

The ill-fated HSR project between Tampa and Orlando was supposed to funded and operated with private dollars for the first 30 years. I believe it would have failed as proposed but I still would have taken the free infrastructure. There was no reason, that infrastructure could not have been used by conventional commuter rail or as a new Central Florida freight corridor. However, I also agree that the Bay area needs to get its transit act together. There's a lot of potential there if the politicians stop tripping over their own two feet.

Lakelander Nov 26, 2013 3:46 AM

We must be talking about two different HSR proposals. The one that Scott killed wasn't using state or local dollars. The only thing we did was send the federal money to other states for their rail projects. So we failed if the goal was to save "tax dollars."

N830MH Nov 27, 2013 2:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse (Post 6351881)
Rick Scott screwed Tampa so hard.

That very stupid. He didn't do it. Shame on him!! He should have a chance. He won't be re-elected in 2014. He will not going to be governor anymore.

atlantaguy Nov 28, 2013 4:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyscraperfan23 (Post 6355815)
thank you, florida is not california, california is broke, because they spend money that they don't have.

You have absolutely NO idea of what you are talking about. The HSR project that was proposed was all about being a Federal demonstration project. As far as no need, just how recently have you navigated I-4 between Orlando & Tampa?

California will have a surplus this year. Look it up.

Rick Scott is a complete idiot, and is a total disaster as Governor of the 4th largest State in the country.

And AAF is not HSR. It will be faster than Amtrak at about 90 mph and will be successful, but don't kid yourself into thinking this is privately funded HSR. It most certainly is not. It is higher speed rail than we are used to.

electricron Nov 28, 2013 5:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atlantaguy (Post 6356080)
And AAF is not HSR. It will be faster than Amtrak at about 90 mph and will be successful, but don't kid yourself into thinking this is privately funded HSR. It most certainly is not. It is higher speed rail than we are used to.

Since when has 125 mph train speeds not been considered high speed rail? NEC regionals achieve 125 mph on the speedway in NJ. Acela only achieves 135 mph on the same speedway. Does that 10 mph make that much a difference to you?
125 mph is faster than HSR trains from Chicago to St. Louis, and from Chicago to Detroit. 125 mph is faster than the original Tokyo to Osaka "Bullet" trains, which I believe most would consider the original HSR train. :)
125 mph Orlando to Coco Beach, a distance of ~40 miles
110 mph from Coco Beach to West Palm Beach, a distance of ~124 miles
79 mph West Palm Beach to North Miami, a distance of ~54 miles.
60 mph from North Miami to downtown Miami, a distance of ~11 miles.
Over 2/3rds of the entire route is proposed to be faster than Class 4 tracks will allow.

scalziand Nov 28, 2013 6:02 AM

^Acela goes 150mph in Rhode Island.

eleven=11 Nov 28, 2013 7:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scalziand (Post 6356154)
^Acela goes 150mph in Rhode Island.

What about rail travel in Italy...
or Germany or France or Japan or Spain or London England...

atlantaguy Nov 28, 2013 2:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by electricron (Post 6356127)
Since when has 125 mph train speeds not been considered high speed rail? NEC regionals achieve 125 mph on the speedway in NJ. Acela only achieves 135 mph on the same speedway. Does that 10 mph make that much a difference to you?
125 mph is faster than HSR trains from Chicago to St. Louis, and from Chicago to Detroit. 125 mph is faster than the original Tokyo to Osaka "Bullet" trains, which I believe most would consider the original HSR train. :)
125 mph Orlando to Coco Beach, a distance of ~40 miles
110 mph from Coco Beach to West Palm Beach, a distance of ~124 miles
79 mph West Palm Beach to North Miami, a distance of ~54 miles.
60 mph from North Miami to downtown Miami, a distance of ~11 miles.
Over 2/3rds of the entire route is proposed to be faster than Class 4 tracks will allow.

Thanks for proving my point. These speeds are not true HSR. The proposal that was killed from Orlando to Tampa was HSR. What California wants to do is HSR. The above speeds are not.

Eightball Nov 28, 2013 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atlantaguy (Post 6356080)
You have absolutely NO idea of what you are talking about. The HSR project that was proposed was all about being a Federal demonstration project. As far as no need, just how recently have you navigated I-4 between Orlando & Tampa?

California will have a surplus this year. Look it up.

Rick Scott is a complete idiot, and is a total disaster as Governor of the 4th largest State in the country.

And AAF is not HSR. It will be faster than Amtrak at about 90 mph and will be successful, but don't kid yourself into thinking this is privately funded HSR. It most certainly is not. It is higher speed rail than we are used to.

x1000! :cheers:

Lakelander Nov 30, 2013 2:13 PM

I believe AAF is a more logical step for Florida (operational-wise) than the dead HSR project that would have connected Tampa and Orlando. Nevertheless, Rick Scott screwed this state over big time by rejecting that HSR money. It was a demonstration project being funded by the feds and private companies were willing to operate it on their own dime for the first 30 years. Opportunities like that don't happen every day. Even if it fails after 30 years, that's infrastructure not paid for locally that could have been used for freight and conventional passenger rail movement.

No money was saved on Florida's end, since we can't get the cash back for all the studies. If any thing, we subsidized FECI's decision (all the HSR studies we paid for) to create AAF, which is essentially covers the path of the dead HSR project's phase 2.

Jasonhouse Dec 1, 2013 7:56 AM

Having DT Tampa, Ybor and the cruise terminals directly tied to Disney, OCCC/Seaworld and OIA with a 35-45 minute ride would have been transformative. Especially since the Tampa end was the end with lots of land to develop near the station. Add a station at the Hard Rock Casino (which gets 20,000+ weekday visitors, many of them tourists who drive from Orlando), and ridership would have been plenty.

eleven=11 Dec 1, 2013 9:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse (Post 6358809)
Having DT Tampa, Ybor and the cruise terminals directly tied to Disney, OCCC/Seaworld and OIA with a 35-45 minute ride would have been transformative. Especially since the Tampa end was the end with lots of land to develop near the station. Add a station at the Hard Rock Casino (which gets 20,000+ weekday visitors, many of them tourists who drive from Orlando), and ridership would have been plenty..

I agree. So why is Rick Scott so stupid???

Jasonhouse Dec 1, 2013 2:59 PM

^He's not stupid, he's a self serving asshole.


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